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General Comments / Re: coronavirus
« on: September 30, 2020, 10:28:47 PM »
Yeah, who noticed that flu after the first world war.

My bad.

Who's noticed a disease that transferred between species and made a big deal since the Spanish Flu. Is it okay if we still call it Spanish Flu? Spanish people are reasonably white after all.

Christ. Every single new dangerous disease comes from animals. That's a fact. If it wasn't new or deadly it would at best be something we all have learned to deal with. Like the flu.

This disease came out of China and it happened because of the live animal markets. It's not racist to say it.

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General Comments / Re: read any good books lately?
« on: September 30, 2020, 10:20:30 PM »
Writing books for income has surged in the political realm since the 80's. There have always been politicos worldwide who discovered this way to generate wealth. In the 80's Newt Gingrich was a history professor who wrote alternate history novels and brought in a nice income. He has a new book now, "Burning Down the House" (https://www.amazon.com/Burning-Down-House-Gingrich-Republican/dp/1594206651) That outed how the publishing industry was funding favored politicians by offering unsuccessful authors huge signing deals, with upfront bonuses for books that never sell. At that time, many books were more or less black listed by the industry if written by authors who weren't Democrats.

Newt took down Speaker Jim Wright by showing his new book for which he was given far more than fundraising rules allowed. The book was mostly blank pages, with a few words sprinkled throughout with no literary intent. It had become normal for these fake books to make it onto best seller lists, and for libraries to order multiple copies, while well-written books by opposition candidates were rarely seen on library shelves, and none of these opposition authors were offered the kind of bonuses the Democrats were given - even though the opposition books sold far better to the public.

When i was searching for the Notra Trulock book, Operation: Kindred Spirit, I found a brand new copy that had been donated to the library in the "Friends of the Library" book store. No other copies on the shelves, even though it was a real best seller, with research potential. But at the same time, poor books authored by favored politicians were stacked six-deep. Obama got rich with his two autobiographies, written before he was a known politician. The two books are the only samples of anything he authored, even though he was an editor on the Harvard Crimson, and those who know the industry see traces of Bill Ayres' handiwork, and themes that were favored by Ayres, but outside of Obama's personal history.

Now, every TV host or politician has a book. It is the new income stream.

Bruh.

We were just all talking about books and stuff. Or maybe how audio books are *censored*. Let's not politic it up, yeah?

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General Comments / Re: read any good books lately?
« on: September 30, 2020, 06:55:38 PM »
In any place or time I just can't deal with the slowness.
I can be working out or patiently planning the Democratic Way To Civil War.

But honestly it's just I can't keep an eye on that *censored*. I try but then it doesn't work. You all are here now so I'll recommend the Brandon Sanderson Wheel of Time. Homeboy was dying from blood cancer or something, doesn't excuse his last few books. Sanderson put it to rest at least.

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General Comments / Re: read any good books lately?
« on: September 30, 2020, 06:31:11 PM »
So on a side note how do you all even tolerate audio books? I tried it once and it was just so *slow*. Couldn't deal with it.

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General Comments / Re: coronavirus
« on: September 30, 2020, 05:58:09 PM »
TBF we got covid because Chinese people like to buy live bats for dinner.

All the best diseases come from animals. That we've not had anything noticeable in the West since smallpox doesn't change that.

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...your defense of Trump is that he's an idiot, who tells people he has no idea who they are to "stand by?"

Don't lie by omission, he said for all groups to to "Stand back, and stand by." We know who AntiFa, BLM, and Occupy Wall Street are because of all the damage they've done, and the protection the Democrats have afforded them.

Occupy Wall Street. Hot damn, they really riled you up, didn't they? Considering you're bringing the name up a decade later.

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General Comments / Re: Town halls and debates 2020
« on: September 30, 2020, 05:40:05 PM »
...Whether you like or believe them, there are endless stories of Trump crapping on the little guy and refusing payment. Story after story. At some point we should probably give credence to Little Red Riding Hood even if the man she is accusing is rich.

Those endless stories? They began after Hillary lost. I responded to each one as they came out, and each complaint was vacuous. Being in Vegas, in construction, while Trump was building there, I saw what was going on. The Dems were using unscrupulous subs who tried to screw the process and perform Change Orders without authorization for things they screwed up. It's an old subs con game... they do shoddy work or underperform because they offered a low bid to win a place in the project, thinking they could beef up their payment with unsolicited Change Orders. Trump, like any good builder would hold the subs to their contract and request they do what they signed on to do. The subs would then realize their little scam wouldn't work, so they'd tell his workers they had to repair their own damage in order to get paid, and blame it on the CM. For instance a Electrical sub would come in after demolition to a thousan Casino hotel rooms with the charge to safe all the electrical connections before remediation began. But they would take light bulbs out of the sockets and toss them on the floor=, breaking them. But demolition was already done and all debris had been completed. Either the Electrical sub should have timed the work before demolition, or made sure light bulbs weren't thrown onto clean cement floors. Now the workers were told it wasn't the Sub's fault, it was the mean old Trump that shorted their paychecks. I responded to many of these angry workers who should have immediately moved to other competitors rather than stay with scammers. I saw it, and I confirm what the truth is.

No dawg wasn't our man he's the shut. It's the evil Dems. Something something Soros. Don't mention Judaism. We can win with that in a select portion of the population but overall blaming the Jews via Soros makes us look bad. Don't do it. Hint it though.

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General Comments / Re: Town halls and debates 2020
« on: September 30, 2020, 05:22:22 PM »
I'm not gonna be that guy and put someone against the wall for taking the easy way. Trump tried to make money and in some ways he was successful. His name became a brand. I mean, you look at the steaks and the university, a normal person starts asking questions.

But he went out there and did his thing.
Sure, but the claim was very specific: "Trump has always been considered a good businessman".  Yes, kudos on him (I guess) for having ambition.  For becoming famous, a television celebrity.  But he is objectively a terrible business man.

Not disagreeing with anything here. What I was trying to say is society is crap and he walked on in and proved just how big a crap he could take and get away with it. End of the day, that Trump got a sniff of power is an indictment of the system.

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General Comments / Re: Town halls and debates 2020
« on: September 30, 2020, 05:07:27 PM »
I'm not gonna be that guy and put someone against the wall for taking the easy way. Trump tried to make money and in some ways he was successful. His name became a brand. I mean, you look at the steaks and the university, a normal person starts asking questions.

But he went out there and did his thing. Good for him. What I find hilarious is his refusal to publish the taxes. That's the real story. He can blame tax loopholes or whatever but he's hiding it because those loopholes are the only reason he's personally solvent. His base revolves around him clearing out the swamp but the swamp is what has kept his head above water.

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General Comments / Re: Town halls and debates 2020
« on: September 30, 2020, 04:48:41 PM »
When it comes to crappy politicians giving money to family,  Trump has little and nothing to talk about. The only thing saving him is his control of the Justice Department. He'll get his, whether it's in 2021 or 2025. Of course, he may well be banking on the issue of him being dead before the birds come home to roost. He is a fat seventy something after all.

Poor post. Trump has always been considered a good businessman, and his kids learned how to work and earn their way, rather than be carried, like Chelsea, or Hunter. Trump has everything to talk about. Just compare his successful children to them.

BS. Whether you like or believe them, there are endless stories of Trump crapping on the little guy and refusing payment. Story after story. At some point we should probably give credence to Little Red Riding Hood even if the man she is accusing is rich.

Trump got handed a bunch of money and it's pretty easy to make money when you have money. It's also easy to make people believe you're good at making money when you're unwilling to publish your tax statements to prove it.

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General Comments / Re: Town halls and debates 2020
« on: September 30, 2020, 04:39:04 PM »
When it comes to crappy politicians giving money to family,  Trump has little and nothing to talk about. The only thing saving him is his control of the Justice Department. He'll get his, whether it's in 2021 or 2025. Of course, he may well be banking on the issue of him being dead before the birds come home to roost. He is a fat seventy something after all.

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General Comments / Re: Town halls and debates 2020
« on: September 30, 2020, 04:34:24 PM »
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"I think masks are OK," Mr. Trump said, when asked why moderator Chris Wallace why he typically appears in public without wearing a mask. He pulled out a mask from his suit jacket to show that he carried it with him.

Doesn't sound much like "admitting a mistake". I don't think Trump is capable of admitting a mistake - and he still isn't requiring them at his rallies.

Go easy on the guy, he at least has a mask ready to go if he feels his adoring public isn't feeling the civil liberties anti-mask fever.

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General Comments / Re: Town halls and debates 2020
« on: September 30, 2020, 04:23:42 PM »
The undecided voter is what killed Clinton in 16 and I'm thinking you're looking down on them in a similar way.

There really are people out there who can fall for the Repub story of failing upward, and there are people out there who will believe anything the Dems say. What wins elections is getting the people in between to vote.

Not everyone can live off the interest of their first million, Cherry. And for those people, as silly as it is for the rest of us, these debates make a difference.

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He doesn't know who the Proud Boys are?

I mean if that's the route you're going down, best of luck. Of course, in that case I might ask why the President of the US has no knowledge of a right wing group tied to both support for him and...other things.

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General Comments / Re: Town halls and debates 2020
« on: September 30, 2020, 03:56:58 PM »
Cherry -

There is a segment of the population that is willing to vote for Biden, in the worst case, and there are people who think the whole thing is *censored* so why does it matter.

The latter case is what they're fighting for.(Biden and Trump.) Do you really think that Trump's debate performance helped him with those voters?

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Something something black lives matter something something equivalency.

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General Comments / Re: read any good books lately?
« on: September 30, 2020, 02:58:42 PM »
Anathem is what I'm going to recommend.

It's a book that stretches your brain a bit but the twist is fun and the ending makes you think.

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General Comments / Re: Militia in the streets
« on: September 06, 2020, 04:49:55 PM »
That revolution may or may not go so far. It's usually depended on 1/3 unforced class. Believe it or not, but at that level of society with that level of desperation that's when shut starts to adjust.

The funniest thing for me is when you all keep on trying to take in the expectations or *censored* you a clock. Who gives a *censored*.

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General Comments / Re: Militia in the streets
« on: September 06, 2020, 04:47:10 PM »
That revolution may or may not go so far. It's usually depended on 1/3 unforced class. Believe it or not, but at that level of society with that level of desperation that's when shut starts to adjust.

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You know what?

This thing now where people are excusing Rittenhouser. Conaider it for me the last straw. Some piece of *censored* militia man who came down not to make a statement but hoping he'd find a reason to use his gun.

Ya'll ever heard about the cool zone? It's when stuff gets so bad for a big enough proportion of the population they actually sit back and consider what it's worth to go out and tell the world to go screw themselves no matter what they meet in the ruling class's bullets. Because the alternative is worse.

All you conservative people with your 401ks and your cushy recession proof jobs, you can continue to look down on us. So did the French before their revolution.

I don't think that's going to work the way you think it will. And most of those militia guys turning up with guns? They're not 1%ers. They're by and large probably not even in the top 20% for income. Even the Democrats own numbers reflect this: The Main of the Democratic base are the people making over $100K/year, and/or college educated.

It's almost sad. You think "the masses" are on your side. They're not, at least, not anywhere that matters, and not the extent you think they are. The left-wing insanity has many, if not most of the cities. But those cities are far more vulnerable now than they've ever been in history.

If the Bourgeoisie Democrats want to start a revolution to overthrown themselves... Well, I guess bring it? The history books will likely be confused about how that ever came to pass, but I guess it is what it is...

Perhaps.

Who knows?

What I'm saying here is that even if you all want to look down on those 20 somethings they're not all actually liberal seconds sons or whatever.

You didn't expect the riot's either, and in your speed to condemn them as bastions of terrorism or Obamaism or whatever you're grabbing on to here, the forces of the whip failed. I'll admit this of Trump - him or his advisors got the message in Portland. You'd better go in hot and hard because if you don't get control of it the bastions of class control will be given a moral advantage in punishing the real electorate.

The poor section  doesn't vote and they never have. And, honored conservatives, please. Do you actually think in any universe a majority of these people who have seen the trickle down economics or austerity or whatever your latest excuse is, payments given in full in *corporate* welfare whilst normal people struggle to get along, in what universe would a fully informed electorate actually take your side?

The only thing you have. The only thing you ever did have.  Was to rig the information and the polls. The same way Republicans continue in every election to reduce voting locations for Dems. Or poor people. Or minorities. Whoever may vote for those as hole libs. And the BS about mail in voting is the latest. Trump and McEnany both voted via mail, as did many others, and if they're getting scared now they should probably be introduced to the idea of projection. Given what R''s have done in regards to civil rights voting actions I'm really not surprised they'd got so held up when someone suggests we make it easier for the common person to vote.

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General Comments / Re: Jacob Blake
« on: September 05, 2020, 04:35:10 PM »
I'm not calling any two situations identical. I'm calling into question the statements many make that suggest people deserve whatever they get if they don't comply instantly with cops.

Plenty of unarmed people have been shot for non compliance. Because they happened to be holding a cell phone, for instance. Or the unarmed guy running across a parking lot, or other many stories. It's a result of "assume everyone you encounter is armed and willing to use deadly force. It's a great way to ensure that the absolute minimum number of cops get injured or killed, at the expense of injuring or killing the maximum number of suspects.

I'm still not very sympathetic on this front. The "proper response" in this era when it comes to police interactions, regardless of race, is obedience to the request if they're acting in an official capacity. The only significant difference between "the talk" that a black parent may have with their kid vs one I'd have with one(single no kids) should I have any, is that the black parent would be emphasizing the "don't get killed" part.

I'd be be emphasizing that even if you know the encounter isn't dangerous, the officer doesn't know that. The more you put the officer at ease, the better the outcome of your encounter is likely to be; unless the officer is simply an a**.

It isn't even a matter of life or death in some cases. It is a matter of making the difference between possibly getting a warning and sent on your way, or citations for every infraction the officer can come up with as being applicable.  Never mind doing something that puts the officer on edge, that means telling them what you need to do and why before you do something, and doing it slowly enough the officer can follow your movements. IE during a traffic stop, you better have reached into the glove box for the registration/etc before the officer has exited their vehicle(and placed the results on the dash board where it can be seen), or wait until they arrive, then tell them you need to do so and wait to be instructed to go ahead.

This is also reflected in programs like COPS when they were making traffic stops, the officers get very edgy when people just "start doing things" in the Car which the officer cannot see, and without prompting from the officer.

I don't blame the officers for that problem, I blame the criminals who keep shooting cops for it.

The issue just sees a compounding of problems when you start dealing with minorities because they've long since developed cultural complexes/phobias surrounding issues involving police interactions. If they follow instructions, and don't try to fight, their odds of getting shot/killed or seriously injured by the officer reach zero for all practical purposes. If they do fight, or start doing certain other things unannounced and without officer consent then they're playing with fire and shouldn't be shocked when they get shot, police can't read minds.

Nah. Screw this. You're still trying to give these dcicks a way out.

I also as a 1/4 Italian got that talk and I can't even imagine how much was it worse for actually black people.

Make it right for everyone. Make it so no one has to have fear sweat staining their shirts just because the cops are pulling them over. You know the worst part? All you people agree that's how it should be but to keep defending the *censored*.

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General Comments / Re: Militia in the streets
« on: September 05, 2020, 04:15:27 PM »
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.urbandictionary.com/define.php%3fterm=The%2bCool%2bZone&amp=true

By all means. Keep on talking about how the people lucky enough to have the spare time to go mug at the camera for Fox News means so much. When the true revolution comes...the only question will be why did you sit back and do nothing. Why did you only profit.

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I know what's coming. We can all see it. I've never been a fan for the French Revolution but I'm starting to have my leg tap to it.  All of you. All of you rich *censored* don't give a *censored* about anything outside yourselves and/or your own interests. You'd happily see a whole family slaughtered and make excuses if they were the wrong color or more importantly the wrong class.

I'll tell you right now. If you won't defend us when your soldiers come to enforce your mesed up law don't think I'll look away when your family is brought out to be judged.

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You know what?

This thing now where people are excusing Rittenhouser. Conaider it for me the last straw. Some piece of *censored* militia man who came down not to make a statement but hoping he'd find a reason to use his gun.

Ya'll ever heard about the cool zone? It's when stuff gets so bad for a big enough proportion of the population they actually sit back and consider what it's worth to go out and tell the world to go screw themselves no matter what they meet in the ruling class's bullets. Because the alternative is worse.

All you conservative people with your 401ks and your cushy recession proof jobs, you can continue to look down on us. So did the French before their revolution.

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General Comments / Re: Jacob Blake
« on: August 29, 2020, 06:36:49 PM »
Lol. Yeah man that makes sense. Homeboy got shot in the back because he was about to stab his own kids. Lolol. Do you even read your own *censored* before you post it?

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General Comments / Re: RNC
« on: August 29, 2020, 10:14:20 AM »
https://youtu.be/vHP4VbhtGJ4

Eh, screw it. Do  you all not really see where we're going with this BS?

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General Comments / Re: Jacob Blake
« on: August 28, 2020, 02:23:10 PM »
And again I'll ask, what records do the shooter and his accomplices have?

If it's fair to rip apart Blake's life to make us all feel comfortable with shooting a man in the back seven times, can we not examine the people who did or were there for the shooting?

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General Comments / Re: Jacob Blake
« on: August 28, 2020, 02:16:11 PM »
This is all assuming the knife was actually present at the shooting and not planted after the fact.

We've obsessed over Blake's record; what's the record of the shooter, his accomplices, and other members of their group with access to the scene?

Jacob Blake himself has said he had a knife with him from reporting I've heard.

Interested in links to your reporting.

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General Comments / Re: Jacob Blake
« on: August 28, 2020, 01:36:58 AM »
This is all assuming the knife was actually present at the shooting and not planted after the fact.

We've obsessed over Blake's record; what's the record of the shooter, his accomplices, and other members of their group with access to the scene?

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The clue is in the name.

It's not a business and as such has no need to break even. It's a *service,* something the government provides to help society run smoothly for everyone. Whether they're in NYC or a town of fifty in the middle of nowhere.

I'll put it like this; when was the last time someone complained that the Air Force wasn't "breaking even?"

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General Comments / Re: covid-19 outside the US
« on: August 20, 2020, 04:58:58 AM »
Maybe she meant fast zombies...

28 days later zombies? I mean, I know they run with the bulls in Pamplona, but you apparently can't run with a mask on or you will pass out and die from your own toxins, right?

A nitpick. To be a zombie you have to be dead. In 28 Day Later the people had a virus that made them homicidally angry and resistant to pain but they were still living and breathing. It even showed them dying of thirst/hunger at the end of the film.

/Pendantry.

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General Comments / Re: NRA getting sued
« on: August 07, 2020, 11:03:45 PM »
Umm... wow.  You guys may know I routinely limit searches by date ranges to pull things from Google that are free from a pro- or anti-Trump bias.

Out of curiosity, I searched, "Letitia James cases against charities" time limited from Jan 1, 2010 through Dec 31, 2016.  I figured I may get some Trump charity overlap, but I wanted to see if she had a history of going after charities generally.  Now she's not been the AG that long, but I didn't know her history, so I thought maybe she was previously a prosecutor of some kind (turns out she wasn't).

Here's the disturbing part.  That search turned up over 10 pages of articles, the vast majority of which directly relate to the NRA case just filed, but showing search dates from years ago.  The articles are current if you follow the links, but the search dates have clearly been backdated. 

Here's one example:

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New York Attorney General Moves to Dissolve NRA - news ...
searchandnews.com › player › category › news › article

Oct 16, 2014 - In a lawsuit filed on Thursday, Attorney General Letitia James claims that top NRA executives used charitable funds for personal gain, among other offenses.

This one may be my favorite:

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MSNBC - On the New York AG filing a lawsuit against the ...
m.facebook.com › msnbc › posts

Oct 22, 2011 - New York Attorney General Letitia James filed a lawsuit Thursday against the National Rifle Association seeking to dissolve the gun rights advocacy group and accusing top executives of "years of illegal self-dealings" that funded a "lavish lifestyle."

In any event, this is 100% political.  If it were not, she'd go after the executives directly not the charity.   By seeking to dissolve the charity she's trying to force it to waste is charitable assets immediately prior to the election on an expensive legal suit.

Again, this should be a no brainer for anyone with any sense of civil liberties or civil rights.  The remedy sought is completely out of line with the harm alleged and there is zero chance it would be pursued against someone that is not her political opponent.  Who are we kidding, her office has ignored bigger charitable crimes that are on her side, and spent an inordinate amount on a politically motivated investigation.  That seems to be the specialty of the NY AGs.

Hope everyone likes this tactic as much when the right copies it in the future.

I'm struck again about the "bad apple" versus "bad org" argument. When somebody at ACORN royally screws up, its evidence of widespread conspiracy. When a cop screws up, its one bad guy. When somebody gets caught farming 30 votes, its evidence of a plot to destroy democracy. When someone in the NRA is unethical or lawbreaking, its a freak occurrence. If instead it had been the Clinton Foundation, then HEADS MUST ROLL!

ACORN's purposes and methods were illegal.  If you believe Jones, the NRA was a victim of out of control executives.

When someone get's caught farming votes it's evidence that your meme "there's no real election fraud" is a lie.   We don't have any real ability to detect fraud, which is something the Democrats are counting on with this strategy.  The fact that we detect it all with a secret ballot and poor voter ID laws is more likely evidence that it's endemnic than that it never occurs. 

The Clinton Foundation was involved in far bigger illegal activities.  They'd never survive the kind of scrutiny the NY AG applied to the NRA (without much of a basis), but lucky for the Clinton Foundation, it's on the blue team and will never be investigated in such a manner no matter what evidence appears.

We no longer have a system of justice that applies to both sides evenly.  The left has weaponized prosecutors offices, correctly identifying that their discretion is unreviewable - no matter how egregiously applied.  They are free to release rioters no matter how legitimate the charges, not prosecute crimes solely for political reasons, and investigate their enemies and subject them to abuse, which they are routinely doing.  Lawfare at its grossest.  Like I told you when Obama was establishing the executive authority precedents, you may not like how the next guy uses them (and that was a massive understatement of a prediction), this too is a change that all of you personally are going to live to regret.

The Chewbacca Defense as seen in the wild.

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As a mostly lurker have to say that the whole hearted support of beating the living *censored* out of people for being in a general area around others who allegedly did bad things is not something I expected out of you Daemon.

I guess I need to go digging. There was a certain street preacher who had an unpleasant encounter with those "peaceful protesters" about a month ago. He's chained himself to a traffic light pole prior to their arrival. Never saw the footage of him getting taken off the pole, but they subsequently knocked him unconscious. then carried him into a side-alley where one of the women involved asked if she could kick his face in.

But yeah, it was only the Feds who were out of control. I've already commented on that Navy Veteran, I think there is more to the story than what the press has covered and I'm withholding judgement until the IG report comes back on that.

I'm sure you've got links to back up your narrative.

All I'm saying is that as someone who normally doesn't post but does watch the threads that you chose this hill to die on surprised me. Like, you're *invested* or at least acting like it and I don't get why.

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General Comments / Re: covid-19 outside the US
« on: August 07, 2020, 02:57:09 PM »
https://youtu.be/wZQkBHysrig

Lol. In summation, put a *censored*ing mask on.

Kind of loses his power wearing his mask on his elbow.

That was almost certainly on purpose. The guy's whole deal is making videos where he pretends to be a news reporter who goes on wild rants to his producer when the camera cuts off. While the character makes good points he's foul mouthed and not a great person. Him ranting about wearing a mask while not wearing a mask is just part of the humour.

If you have  fifteen minutes watch his critique on cancel culture here.

https://youtu.be/Lvm3xeO1lA0

It's spot on and absolutely hilarious.

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General Comments / Re: covid-19 outside the US
« on: August 07, 2020, 04:04:12 AM »
https://youtu.be/wZQkBHysrig

Lol. In summation, put a *censored*ing mask on.

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General Comments / NRA getting sued
« on: August 07, 2020, 03:40:56 AM »
So even if we step back and say half of the prosecutors statement is false on the face of it (because sadly that's what prosecutors do these days) holy crap.

If even half of this is correct I'm sitting here thinking about the originator of the golden parachute glowing green with envy over "Why didn't I think of that?"

And apparently it's multiplied because they're a charitable organization? Holy *censored* hahaha who has ever thought the NRA was charitable. Not me. Never knew that.

Anyway I was mostly preempting the Crunch Facebook bot and the lawyer bot we all love and despise at the same time. There will be blurbs and catchphrases about how NY is soooo liberal and so this is BS but state's rights yo. If you're gonna do shady things in a certain pace you best remember the Feds aren't usually the worst enemy around.

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As a mostly lurker have to say that the whole hearted support of beating the living *censored* out of people for being in a general area around others who allegedly did bad things is not something I expected out of you Daemon.

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General Comments / Re: covid-19 outside the US
« on: August 03, 2020, 08:50:18 PM »
Didn't even realise cruise ships were still a thing, guess I had assumed they were all shut down.

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General Comments / Re: coronavirus
« on: July 30, 2020, 11:52:10 AM »
Well Trump's Tulsa rally has claimed one of his supporters.

Herman Cain just died from Covid-19 that he most likely caught at the Trump Tulsa rally.

https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/herman-cain-dead-covid-143229190.html

Eh can't really figure in anyone who dies from a strong cold, that's what covid is right? What they all told me.

Shoot. Conservative or not the man was an icon. Sorry he's gone.

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There's a link to the full transcript in here: https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/06/trump-george-floyd-in-heaven-pleased-with-trump-administrations-record.html

Transcript: https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/donald-trump-press-conference-transcript-on-jobs-report

It doesn't seem to be quite as bad as some people are making it out to be employment numbers but it's a pretty stupid thing to say.

Yeah, we kind of expect Trump to say dumb things at this point but I'm not a fan of selective editing, whether it's done by the D's  or the R's.

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General Comments / Re: Protestors vs. Rioters
« on: June 06, 2020, 05:15:52 PM »
ScottF

The issue being put forth is how minorities face disproportionate attention and response from a police force that has an aggressive and arrogant culture that also kills innocent whites.

That perhaps both the racial bias and the police culture issue  are something that should be looked at.

I'm kind of skeptical that you didn't actually get that, but on the off chance you didn't, that's the entire point of peaceful protests.

Some hippie inconvienced you with a sign somewhere, it annoyed you, and you went out asking questions on why they're doing it. You got an answer whether you agree or not. And that's why protestors shut down roads.

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General Comments / Re: George Floyd
« on: June 04, 2020, 06:46:08 PM »
I actually agree with you here. In my opinion, the charge should have been manslaughter. I've got no reason to believe that Chauvin was trying to kill him. Rather, it was depraved indifference in regard to his actions that ended up killing someone, when a normal person would have stepped back and said, "Oh, I shouldn't do this, it might kill them."

It's like drunk driving. We do charge them with manslaughter when they kill someone, but it's because despite the fact they drove home drunk 100 times before and didn't kill anyone a reasonable person would look on their actions and agree that they should have known their actions *could* kill someone.

He doesn't have to be trying to kill him, the second degree count is based on it happening accidentally during the commission of a felony as I understand it. The felony is the degree of assault.

Minnesota code for MURDER IN THE SECOND DEGREE. Emphasis theirs, I just don't want to retype it. Subd. 1 does indeed talk about intentional murders, but this is the applicable one.

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Subd. 2.Unintentional murders. Whoever does either of the following is guilty of unintentional murder in the second degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 40 years:
(1) causes the death of a human being, without intent to effect the death of any person, while committing or attempting to commit a felony offense other than criminal sexual conduct in the first or second degree with force or violence or a drive-by shooting; or

(2) causes the death of a human being without intent to effect the death of any person, while intentionally inflicting or attempting to inflict bodily harm upon the victim, when the perpetrator is restrained under an order for protection and the victim is a person designated to receive protection under the order. As used in this clause, "order for protection" includes an order for protection issued under chapter 518B; a harassment restraining order issued under section 609.748; a court order setting conditions of pretrial release or conditions of a criminal sentence or juvenile court disposition; a restraining order issued in a marriage dissolution action; and any order issued by a court of another state or of the United States that is similar to any of these orders.

Yeah, seeing the statutes in Minnesota I can see where it's getting a bit sticky.

I've always thought murder one was "I'm going to kill someone next week," and then they go through with it.

Murder two was a bar fight or someone walking in on their spouse in bed with someone else and doing something unfortunate in the heat of the moment.

And manslaughter/murder 3 basically being what I described above. I'm understanding if the actual state laws make that more complicated.

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General Comments / Re: George Floyd
« on: June 04, 2020, 04:55:08 PM »
I actually agree with you here. In my opinion, the charge should have been manslaughter. I've got no reason to believe that Chauvin was trying to kill him. Rather, it was depraved indifference in regard to his actions that ended up killing someone, when a normal person would have stepped back and said, "Oh, I shouldn't do this, it might kill them."

It's like drunk driving. We do charge them with manslaughter when they kill someone, but it's because despite the fact they drove home drunk 100 times before and didn't kill anyone a reasonable person would look on their actions and agree that they should have known their actions *could* kill someone.

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General Comments / Re: Protestors vs. Rioters
« on: June 04, 2020, 04:40:37 PM »
I'm not surprised there are members between all three groups. Leftist ideology is leftist ideology. I only wish I had the spare money to be able to bop around helping them all, but at the same time I'm unsuprised that there are young rich people with time and money to spare.

I'll ask again, where are you getting this information about shadowy cabals and Soros being literally Satan. I'm asking in good faith. Even if I disagree with it in the end (and I definitely do now,) I'm willing to look at your sources with an open mind.

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General Comments / Re: Protestors vs. Rioters
« on: June 04, 2020, 04:16:12 PM »
So...look. From my side of things, I don't mind Black Lives Matter. There's that instinctual part of me that because I'm white I start to get annoyed, but then I remember the name isn't about excluding whites, but drawing attention to black people's lives who were unnecessarily cut short by police interaction.

Antifa, I get there are some people doing bad things in it's name out there, but at the end of the day it's a really broad movement like 4chan's Anonymous. There is no central command, there is no one set of things that we can possibly hold them all accountable for.

And Occupy Wall Street...refresh my memory, but weren't they just a bunch of younguns/hippies that set up camps to inconvenience the money changers trying to make their way to the temple to do their business? What did they do to offend you so much you'd bring them back up like fifteen years later? Is it the idea behind the movement? Do you perhaps disagree with the metrics showing that the rich are getting richer, the poor are getting poorer, and the middle class is diminishing?

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General Comments / Re: George Floyd
« on: June 04, 2020, 04:02:05 PM »
I get what you're saying and I appreciate the response, but I'm not seeing much of a grey zone here. The guy was handcuffed, face down on the pavement, for nine minutes minimum with Chauvin's knee pressing into his neck. Grey zones are, to my understanding, supposed to revolve around areas of uncertainty. There was nothing uncertain about whether Floyd was safely contained and under arrest. This is so apparent that even the conservatives (no offense) have been out there saying that yeah, this was outrageous.

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General Comments / Re: George Floyd
« on: June 03, 2020, 05:36:42 PM »
On the subject of Floyd and his death.

Can we put this to bed and all agree that neither side is going to ever going to accept the other's, and will think anyone who disagrees with them is either a radical commie or a Hitler worshipper?

We don't know all the facts yet, but from what's out there at the moment looks like the guy was high as *censored* and yet also had some dickhole lean his bodyweight on his neck for nine minutes. Plenty of evidence out there for any and everyone to feed their predecided opinions.

What I will say is this. In my job over here I've got something called duty of care. There's bound to be something similar in the States, might go by a different name though. What it means is if someone is in your care or custody, you have a duty to safeguard their well being because of the very nature of your control over them. And that's why I'm coming down hard, 100 percent, against the officers who were present when Floyd was arrested.

High he might have been, but they had him securely restrained. If they knew he was high, that makes it even worse.

What do you mean? I think very nearly everyone agreed that Floyd's death was a criminal act and called for the officer involved to be prosecuted. The officer was quickly fired, charged, and arrested. Floyd's death clearly had something to do with his health and drug abuse but it was Chauvin that did it and he's going down for it. You'd have to look pretty hard to find someone that doesn't support that course of action - it was an incredibly bi-partisan moment.

Where there's disagreement is allowing rampant rioting and looting under the guise of "protest".

What I mean is, he was securely retained. At that point, his health, under duty of care, does not just become Chauvin's problem. It was all of the police officer's. It became their duty.

If they are going to detain him and restrain his rights, then they also need to take care of his health. Is this not fair play?

They didn't actually drop the knee, but they were there and they *could* have stopped it. That becomes a thing, legally. Most especially if you have that duty of care. Again, Crunch is starting to act like it's not a thing in the States, is it a thing there?

Ya know, maybe he was high. Maybe he was just some drugged up person from the wrong side of the tracks.

Doesn't matter. The same laws the same white people laid down, those cops are still guilty.

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General Comments / Re: Protestors vs. Rioters
« on: June 03, 2020, 05:17:55 PM »
What's even worse is people read and listen to this Hannity/Maddow newspaper.

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General Comments / Re: Protestors vs. Rioters
« on: June 03, 2020, 05:16:12 PM »
Want to reiterate that the Daily Mail is the yellowest of yellow journalism. Ya'll don't know what it's like until you move here. It's like the Hannity/Maddow newspaper on display right there when you're just trying to buy coffee and maybe some smokes on the way to work.

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General Comments / Re: Protestors vs. Rioters
« on: June 03, 2020, 03:02:14 PM »
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The new observation is that the Soros-funded activists are well-organized

You could save a lot of space on these threads if every time you want to point out how evil Democrats are and how blessed and saintly Republicans are you just posted:

SOROS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We'd all get your point.

Your call. You want to go there: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQl_bV1uXLE

George Soros has transferred $18 Billion to his Open Society Foundation to support his political goals. Black Lives matter, AntiFa, Occupy Wallstreet, ...who doesn't he support?

Of course not all of that $18 billion goes to paying activists - much goes to the media to make sure all opposition is tainted as conspiracy theory. Look at the internet, the first two dozen search engines all return the verdict of how saintly Soros is, and how everyone against him is the problem. You stand where you stand, but accept the position you put yourself in. And yes, Soros is an owner of that Wuhan lab that started the Coronavirus. But, so is Bill Gates.

Cool, coo coo coo co cool.

So, Soros is the devil. Perhaps because he put a lot of money , and hey look, so did Gates and others. Assuming in this paradigm they're evil as well.

Look, I have tried to be pretty equal regarding political speak. I'm a little commie sometimes, other times I machine gun off the liberals.

I'm asking you right now, not as an Ornery guy who you would feel comfortable asking others who wanted you to die to go suck your dick, what's your issue with Soros? Why do you keep bringing him up? You always do it, why? We're honestly all curious, just please answer for once in your life.

Soros. What's your deal?

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