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General Comments / Re: Allow me a brief happy dance...

« on: April 05, 2023, 05:30:09 AM »

Can I join you   

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General Comments / Re: Fox Dominion lawsuit

« on: April 02, 2023, 03:00:57 PM »

The judge has already ruled that Fox lied.  That will not be what the trial is about. The trial will be about if they were malicious in their treatment of Dominion.

Yes and no.  He ruled on a dismissal request from Fox and a judgement request from Dominion.  He rejected both requests so it will be up to the jury to pass judgement.  Since Foxes Lawyers will have some say on which jurors are selected we'll see what happens but I will be very surprised if Fox is not found guilty.

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General Comments / Re: Fox Dominion lawsuit

« on: April 02, 2023, 02:08:38 PM »

WmLambert

It sure looks like selective Justice. I saw legitimate eyewitness accounts of vote scamming, yet courts refused to look at them. If a complicit Main Stream Media erroneously reports disinformation as real, why should anyone believe what courts allow in the Dominion lawsuit.

You brought a bunch of complaints that have nothing to do with this tread.  As far as I can tell this is the only piece that might relate to the actual case.  This case has nothing to do with mainstream media.  This case is to determine if Fox should be held accountable for defamation against Dominion.  It should be a pretty easy case to prove.  If it can be shown via recordings of their broadcasts and internal communications that they knowingly were disseminating false information that caused financial damages against Dominion they are guilty and should be held accountable.  If it can be demonstrated that they did not knowingly spread misinformation then they are not guilty.  Based on what I have been reading about Fox's internal communications at this point I would lead towards guilty.  I think Fox will have a hard time convincing anyone that this was fair and honest reporting.  The fact that you feel that fraud occurred does not give free reign to Fox to attack a company they knew was innocent.

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General Comments / Re: A Good Question.

« on: March 28, 2023, 04:13:10 PM »

It means to keep server's take home pay stable, they would need to raise wages rather more than just the amount of lost tips.

 

I am aware of that.  I don't see the problem.  Let's look at it this way.  If I go out for an average dinner with my wife we will probably spend $20 each.  I generally tip at 20% unless the service stinks (and it is the waitresses fault.  Not slow meal prep, etc.).  So one table is generating $8 for the wait staff.  I am not sure what the average number of tables a single individual servers but I am guessing 4-5.  So tips generate $40 to $50 dollars an hour during normal meal traffic.  You could look at the average table turnover time but I am guessing at most places it is an hour or less.  Even if you take into account that some hours they might see fewer tables that is still a sizable amount.  My guess is that a restaurant could increase prices by 10% and more than cover the increased costs as long as they staff effectively.  There are off times that they will get hit but also busy times when they'll make up for it.

As I mentioned there are no shortages of places to eat in Europe.  Tipping is a scam that works as an excuse to not pay someone what they are worth and it is getting out of control.

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General Comments / Re: A Good Question.

« on: March 28, 2023, 03:32:57 PM »

Personally I don't disagree. People I know who've visited Australia, for example, marvel at the simplicity of what you see is what you pay. However in America it wouldn't just be resistance from servers, but likely a severe exacerbation of the service labor shortage. You might well see half the restaurants in America close the next day if servers were told they were now to earn minimum wage. The secret and often unspoken reality of server jobs is that they tend to earn far more than minimum wage workers, and for more experienced and, shall we say, dignified employees, they can make more than white collar professionals do. I had a friend who worked her way up from low-class family food to an upscale restaurant (not ultra fancy, but upscale) and could clear $250-$500 a shift on busy nights. Even brunch shifts, although hectic, will yield far, far more than minimum wage. But if their real income was translated into wage it might mean they would have to demand $20-30 an hour, which would never fly. The entire restaurant business would break, as it's too entrenched at this point.

I see where you are comin from but I disagree that thee would be mass closings.  Owners would be forced to pay minimum wage but most would need to pay more.  Especially at high end establishments.  Good wait staff will make or break a restaurant and they should be compensated appropriately.  If not the place will close.  Isn't that how a Free Market economy is supposed to work.  There has not been any shortage of places to eat when I have traveled to Europe.  What I do see is owners price gouging in the beginning and blaming the loss of the tip economy.

Tips are also difficult to tax, especially in  when received in cash. So not only would wages need to increase to cover the face value of tips, they'd also need to cover tax and other deductions that get taken out of paychecks but not out of tips.

Why is this a bad thing?  It insures that fair taxes are being paid by both the employer and the wait staff.  Currently the system gives a tax break to the employer and an opportunity to avoid taxes to the wait staff.

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General Comments / Re: Trumpian uprising

« on: March 23, 2023, 06:15:46 PM »

Will you give all you can give so his pockets he can line.
Some will be jailed some will not will you attend the next big march.
The blood of police will be spilled on the Capital Steps.....

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General Comments / Re: Trumpian uprising

« on: March 20, 2023, 05:37:41 PM »

And if they get violent and get arrested the rest of the Trumpites will scream and blame Antifa or BLM.  Kind of like it's OK for a police officer to kill someone if he/she feels in anyway in danger unless those getting killed are breaking down doors at the capital.  If I killed a black man doing the same at my house or place of work they'd throw me a parade.

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General Comments / Re: Trumpian uprising

« on: March 20, 2023, 01:30:23 PM »

I have mixed feelings on this for two reasons.  First, this potential charge seems like Clinton lying about a blow job.  I'm just not sure of all the potential crimes that this would be the one that sticks.  Second, I can see this as a gift to the GOP controllers who were happy to use Trump but do not want him to run again.  Frankly, I am far more scared of DeSantis then I am of Trump at this point.

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General Comments / Re: Ще́дрик, щедри́к, ще́дрівочка

« on: March 19, 2023, 01:01:57 PM »

Not quite.  Afghanistan itself was guilty of allow Al Qaida to operate within it's borders.  It is kind of ironic that the funding for these activities mostly came from Saudi sources.  It was not Afghanistan that carried out 911.  No need to research far.  Just look back at the Ornery archives from 20 years ago or ask the Dixie Chicks how they were treated for questioning the righteousness of the war.

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General Comments / Re: coronavirus

« on: March 17, 2023, 11:20:04 AM »

Funny how the Christian Right who proclaim to love everyone are those who yelled loudest about wearing masks.  You'd think that loving your neighbor would encourage those to them to think of the welfare of others.  Wearing a mask is annoying but a small sacrifice to keep others safe.

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General Comments / ERIC-Is the GOP really interested in stopping voter fraud?

« on: March 07, 2023, 08:10:44 AM »

I've been reading about this over the last week or so.  I found some vague conspiracy theories that ERIC was a tool of the left but nothing suggesting how the data was being manipulated or what purpose it would have.  WIKI describes it as:

ERIC's technical staff matches that data against data from all the other member states and Social Security death data. ERIC identifies voters who have moved, voters who have died, and voters with duplicate registrations within a state's database.

The GOP is constantly mentioning dead voters or voters from other states.  How are they going to monitor this information that seems critical to catching fraud without a system that produces the information?  Does the GOP really care about voter fraud or is it just lip service to provide plausible deniability when a candidate loses?

https://www.npr.org/2023/03/06/1161374479/electronic-registration-information-center-eric-florida-missouri-west-virginia

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General Comments / Re: 2024

« on: February 14, 2023, 01:19:03 PM »

We now have Nikki joining the race.  I can't believe I missed her in my list.  I liked her at one point before she drank or at least appeared to drink Trump's Kool aide.  She has a lot going for her not the least of which is her gender.  Especially with women's rights playing an important role in the last election.  Does she have a shot?

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General Comments / Re: Paul Pelosi got hammered ... again.

« on: January 27, 2023, 02:27:36 PM »

They'll ignore it.  The event is old news and why bring up something that reflects poorly on them.

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General Comments / Re: Trump looses again

« on: January 08, 2023, 06:54:17 AM »

Does anyone legitimately believe that Trump DIDN'T massively exaggerate and overvalue his properties? Or is the argument that EVERYBODY does it, and its only anti-Trump bias that means he's being held accountable? I mean seriously, the man massively exaggerates EVERYTHING in his entire life, from his fortune, to his golf scores, to his mental prowess. The difference in this case is that he filed paperwork about it, and gained something from it.

The issue isn't just that he exaggerated the value.  It is that he exaggerated it to investors and diminished it for taxation purposes.  He tried to have his cake and eat it and got caught.

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General Comments / Re: McCarthy and the House Speakership

« on: January 05, 2023, 02:35:58 PM »

At this point I think that some kind of deal with a group of centrist Democrats would be a better choice than the extreme right wing.  That would be great for the country but I doubt it will come about since as was mentioned above the GOP is always right.

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General Comments / Re: McCarthy and the House Speakership

« on: January 03, 2023, 04:25:22 PM »

Trump would not want all the real work that goes along with  being Speaker.  they would not let him ride his golf cart from his office to the House Chamber.

I can see him pushing for it so he could impeach Biden and Harris and end up back in the White House.  The fact that it would never happen is an easily ignorible fact.

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General Comments / Re: McCarthy and the House Speakership

« on: January 03, 2023, 02:08:49 PM »

So what happens if there is no Speaker? 

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General Comments / Re: Problems with the IRS

« on: December 25, 2022, 11:29:10 AM »

The American Dream of being self made has gone from hard work to what loop holes I can buy.

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General Comments / Re: Trump looses again

« on: December 21, 2022, 02:38:36 PM »

I'm not arguing that they should be looked at by congress, the IRS, and any other group with the authorization of a court order. If the DOJ wants to take an in depth look I would be thrilled.  I believe Trump is a thief and grifter who should probably be in prison but I do not feel comfortable with Congress releasing the tax records of a political opponent.

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General Comments / Re: US has annually over 41 million murders and traffic citations

« on: December 21, 2022, 02:31:37 PM »

It reminds me of those promoting gun control who list the number of deaths by gun and fail to indicate that many are suicides. Not that they should not be tracked but they do not present a fair representation of violence against others.  By lumping them together without stating the suicides those who oppose gun control point to the deceptive numbers and ignore the fact that there are still a large number of guns used in violent crimes.  Basically by trying to make the numbers look big the reason for citing the stats to begin with gets lost in the noise.

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General Comments / Re: Trump looses again

« on: December 21, 2022, 02:24:00 PM »

The people blaming this Congress for abusing the powers of their office for political reasons are the same ones that thought Trump pressuring a foreign leader to go after his political opponent was a perfect phone call. Fascinating.

Is it wrong to have an issue with both?  I believe that all public officials should provide their tax returns or at least be audited regularly but since that is not currently the law I have an issue with Congress releasing the tax records of Trump or anyone else.  Not that I am not interested in what they show but I see it as an erosion of privacy for strictly political reasons.  If there were any significant red flags they should have been investigated and only released in a courtroom setting if charges were warranted.

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General Comments / Re: Trump looses again

« on: December 20, 2022, 09:34:53 PM »

Not thrilled with this.  I am not a Trump fan and he should have followed through with his promise to release them but I am not sure these should have been released.  If there was wrong doing then they would have been brought forward at trial. I just see this as a political mess.

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General Comments / Re: Election Results

« on: December 20, 2022, 12:43:06 PM »

If a candidate for a job lies on their resume or application they are usually fired when found out.  I think all of them should be required to submit a resume/application and we should be able to require that they sigh it and have in verified before an election.  Obviously there are gray areas but it would at least assure that schooling and jobs are accurate.

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General Comments / Re: 2024

« on: December 14, 2022, 02:14:10 PM »

Good Question.  It probably depends on how long he can milk MAGA crowd and if he is indicted.  He would use running as a means to delay delay and delay.

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General Comments / Re: 2024

« on: December 14, 2022, 09:35:28 AM »

I believe The Rock was considering a run at one point.  He actually might have a shot as a moderate.

I missed Pence although while he might have the name recognition he is hated by the MAGA crowd.

I do not believe Musk can run since he was born in South Africa and his father is South African and his mother Canadian.

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General Comments / 2024

« on: December 13, 2022, 12:35:42 PM »

Since we have finished the 2022 election cycle it is time  to start thinking about 2024.  Who do you think will run in the primaries for both parties?

GOP

Trump - if he has not been convicted of a crime that prevents him running.  I am not convinced that the powers that be will not sacrifice him now that he seems to be losing his broad appeal.

De Santis - If he doesn't do anything stupid I see him as the GOP front runner but a lot can change.

MIsc. MAGA replacement like MTG, Lake, or Gaetz.

Romney - If the party wants to move back towards stability.

DEMS

Biden - He has signaled that he will run but unless things change drastically with the economy or Trump runs or acts as a spoiler he is a weak choice.

Bernie - Pretty darn old but still popular.  Might be able to squeak out a primary challenge against Biden.

Harris - if Biden doesn't run.  I doubt she can win the primary.

Abrams - She might be able to pull it off.

Warren - Another old timer who might try one more time.

I am sure I am missing some but those are the ones that immediately come to mind.

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General Comments / Re: Trump looses again

« on: November 23, 2022, 12:35:36 PM »

To be fair, anyone in real estate would have been facing extreme swings on the balance sheet between 2007-2008 and even in the couple of years following. The lag in employment and other pricing could well have extended to a couple of years after the proximal incident of the GFC.

There certainly was a bubble but he'd only take a loss if he sold.

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General Comments / Re: Cacas Maximus Has Reentered the Match

« on: November 19, 2022, 06:05:46 AM »

What are the chances that we will see select members of the GOP side with the Democrats attacking Trump.  You already see Fox News and some of his staunch supporters backing away.  It makes me wonder if they are moving to throw him to the wolves to cut future losses and prevent a party civil war..  If he has enough dirt on prominent members it may be slow but I wouldn't be surprised to start seeing "new" information coming out from former friends.

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General Comments / Re: Alex Jones, scumbag

« on: November 13, 2022, 07:33:58 AM »

Quote from: msquared on November 12, 2022, 03:57:20 PM
In this case the crazies are not out for money. Jones was. The crazies go to jail for doing crazy things (like showing up and harrasing people, just like they think Jones told them to do).

That doesn't answer the issue of standing and whether Dick Cheney can sue a 9/11 truther for defamation, since obviously it implies he's a liar. Where is the line about suing for defamation when someone calls out a narrative as false?

I would say Dick Cheney I a bad choice of victims since he would have a devil of a time proving he was damaged by these comments.  Jones not only knowingly lied about SH but continued to do so as his crazies began the harassment of the parents.  He didn't bother to defend himself in court because he knew there was no defense.

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General Comments / Re: US Government Censorship program on social media being unearthed.

« on: November 05, 2022, 03:46:02 PM »

As horrified as this is I would not rank it as a lie.  Stupid and reckless but not a lie.  There are plenty of others to point out.

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General Comments / Re: US Government Censorship program on social media being unearthed.

« on: November 03, 2022, 03:49:49 PM »

The big problem though is that the arbiter of truth has very often been caught lying himself. Biden is known for being a constant habitual liar, both big and small. Even if you believe that Trump was a liar, surely there can be no doubt that Biden is one too.

If you want to be the Truth Arbiter, it doesn't help when everyone knows, even your supporters know whether they want to admit it or not, that you are a Liar, Big Time. So who watches the watchers? If the Biden administration gets to decide you can't see something because it's not true, who gets to decide that Biden also gets censored and canceled for his lies?

Politifact has lie after lie after lie from this guy.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/list/?category=&ruling=false&speaker=joe-biden

Since you have decided to use Politifact as your source did you run the same query on Trump?  How many show up for him?  Take it a step further.  How many truths show up for both?  I am guessing that the number of Biden's lies will pale in comparison but maybe that's my bias.

I have issues with liars in general no matter what party they are from.  Unfortunately there seem to be very few who currently represent us who demonstrate honesty and we the people continue to promote the worst choices.

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General Comments / Re: US Government Censorship program on social media being unearthed.

« on: November 03, 2022, 05:42:15 AM »

Quote from: Wayward Son on November 02, 2022, 05:10:31 PM
Quote from: Crunch on November 02, 2022, 03:27:18 PM

Cloth masks stop viruses?

Cloth masks helped slow the spread of viruses.  Ask the flu virus for the last couple of years.

Actually John Hopkins released research that said masks only concentrate the contaminates and increase the virulence.

I have seen you make this statement before.  I was surprised to see this and have tried researching it but have not found anything.  Can you please provide a link because I am only seeing masking support from John Hopkins.  The only thing close was a line that stated that masks are not effective unless worn correctly.

Quote from: Wayward Son on November 02, 2022, 05:10:31 PM
Quote from: Crunch on November 02, 2022, 03:27:18 PM

Only 12 years, again, to save the planet?

I assume you are referring to global warming.  Your ignorance is showing again.  12 years was the estimate that some scientists made of how long it would be before CO2 levels reached a point where it would start to seriously affect the worldwide climate and make it harder to survive.  But that isn't a hard-and-fast line (unless we inadvertently passed a tipping point).  It was just a good line-in-the-sand, a goal post where we can say that we don't want to be here.

Because you know what happens after we pass that point?  Does everybody die?  Of course not.  We just now have to spend money to mitigate the effects of all that CO2, along with trying to reduce our emissions of it.  Because after we reach that goal post, if we do nothing, it keeps getting worse.  Droughts get worse; hurricanes get even more energy from the oceans; flooding gets worse; wildfires get worse.  The ocean becomes even more acidic.  There is no doubt all these things will happen, because we are already seeing them happen.  Anyone who denies this simply is not living in the real world.

No. Name a real scientist who says Global Warming is a serious problem. Politicians say it - and bureaucrats who make money pretending. I'm not a specialist on climate, but know enough science to know our temporary warm period is a good thing, holding nack the humanity-killing ice-age we are currently in. There are zero models that have been back-checked to prove they work. They can't even predict temperatures of the past century.

Are any climate scientists household names?  Probably not.  However a quick Google search can find huge lists of PHDs from around the world who are concerned about the effect. It is telling that by the late 70's Big Oil was planning on climate change mitigation for their facilities at the same time they were spending millions on denial campaigns. 

Quote from: Wayward Son on November 02, 2022, 05:10:31 PM
Quote from: Crunch on November 02, 2022, 03:27:18 PM

You demand that lies not be challenged, we can see that in pretty much any thread on this forum.

Please, challenge lies.  But much of the time when people "challenge lies" on this forum, and elsewhere, they use lies to challenge the supposed lies.    When people don't vet what quote, when they don't ask questions and think about whether what they are saying is true, then they can see truth as lies, black as white, up as down.  If you're not based in reality, eventually you'll go off a cliff.  Which is fine, if you're the only one affected.  But when you try to drag the rest of us with you... 

You mean like the way Fox News was working with the Trump Whitehouse to spread lies?

When the narrative doesn't fit the facts, I want to hear the facts, regardless of where they come from.  Do you?

Musk has the right of it. Truth is not your version of issues. Facts are real. You are not the judge of truth, just because your politics is dependent on it.
« Last Edit: November 02, 2022, 11:07:34 PM by wmLambert »

I completely agree with your statement.  The problem is that it is most of the "FACTS" you tend to use are either false or out of context. That is what happens when your information comes from an echo chamber.  Confirmational bias is real and many of those who post regularly work hard to vary their sources of information to moderate it.  I am not inferring that the Right holds a monopoly on crazy.  It exists on the left also.  The problem is that that those who used to be on the fringes of the Right have now become main stream.

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General Comments / Re: The Trump Papers

« on: August 26, 2022, 09:47:35 AM »

Since everything is declassified why the need for redactions

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General Comments / Re: Trump looses again

« on: August 18, 2022, 01:41:55 PM »

Well the Trump CFO pleads guilty and agrees to testify against the company.

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/top-trump-organization-executive-weissleberg-pleads-guilty-to-tax-fraud-144429978.html

15 counts of tax fraud.

I am sure Trump has never heard of this guy. He is just someone who works down the hall.

Was just readying the comments on Foxnews about this and it is amazing how many of the Law and Order crowd have no issue with his actions.
"I mean everybody does it" 
"All rich folks push the envelope" 
"no big deal"

These and lots more just like them.  Seems like a pretty good reason for increasing IRS enforcement.  Just think of how much more in taxes they can collect if "there are millions padding their returns"?

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General Comments / Re: Trump looses again

« on: August 18, 2022, 10:33:30 AM »

No way Trump plays second fiddle to any one. And my guess is if he runs and does not win the nomination, he will claim it was stolen by RINO's in the party and that he is the true nominee.  A normal person with his money would then self fund a run as a third party, but Trump hates to use his own money.

I would love to see a three way primary between Trump and Desantis and either Pence or Cheney.

Why has no one mentioned the first proposed ticket, with Trump as President and DeSantis as VP - ready to become President for Trump's third term? Does anyone think a Trump-DeSantis ticket would fail?

I think it is highly unlikely DeSantis would take a VP spot.  Especially with Trump but heck stranger things have happened.

I don't believe for a second that trump has a chance of winning in 2024 unless the Democrats nominate someone worse than Trump which is extremely unlikely.  There are too many Democrats, Independents, and even Republicans who are of the "Anyone but Trump" camp.  Each new escapade convinces more people that this country is better off without the circus that surrounds Trump and his family.  I would prefer a choice other than Biden but we'll see.

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General Comments / Re: Trump looses again

« on: August 18, 2022, 08:58:28 AM »

I am guessing that many in the GOP political world would like to see Trump disappear and be replaced by someone a little less volatile.  I am not sure what is worse.  A crazy like Trump who can't be controlled by the party or someone who has the leadership skills to push things so far right we'll enter a new Dark Ages of corporatism and religious rule.

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General Comments / Re: So what will the Senate split be in Dec 2022?

« on: August 17, 2022, 06:18:12 PM »

Ron Johnson is weak in WI. We can beat him, but only with substantial financial support; he's got the backing of a couple local billionaires who actually are what William seems to think Soros is.

No one I know will be voting for him but Madison tends to vote Democrat.

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General Comments / Re: Trump looses again

« on: August 16, 2022, 08:35:26 AM »

Is it far fetched to wonder if the timing of the warrant request could have taken into account that the other judge would be unavailable and this one would be the pinch hitter?


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11107969/Trumps-attorney-wants-know-Judge-Reinhart-recused-Clinton-lawsuit.html

So that's a good question. Why did he recuse himself in the other case but figures he's unbiased enough to unleash this clown circus against Trump now? And the bigger question is would any judge they had taken this warrant request to have improved it? Or in other words, are there any judges would would have said no? I suppose we'll never know the answer to that for sure, but if the answer isn't that any and every judge would have approved it the same was this guy did, then that's a problem.

I will not say it is outside of the realm of possibility.  The article states that if there is compelling evidence of a crime the judge has no choice but to provide the warrant.  Since neither of us know the specific information that was provided the judge and since documents Trump had no right to have were found (classified or unclassified is irrelevant) it seems to me that the judge made a valid call.  His feelings for Trump are not relevant and the fact that he was ethical or at least cognizant of the possible backlash if he did not recuse himself in the previous case as favorable.

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General Comments / Re: Trump looses again

« on: August 16, 2022, 05:11:31 AM »

This article by the extremely radical left leaning  WSJ appears to detail the facts on Judge Reinhart.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/judge-who-approved-trump-search-warrant-was-in-role-by-chance-11660488027

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General Comments / Re: Trump looses again

« on: August 14, 2022, 01:02:41 PM »

Let's assume that Trump actually did have this policy.  What proof does he have that he was actually president when they were removed?  Was he the one that actually removed them from the Oval Office?  He stated that he frequently took his work home with him.  I guess this means that he never dealt with classified documents when not in the Oval Office?

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General Comments / Re: Trump looses again

« on: August 13, 2022, 02:30:48 PM »

That might make sense for some of them but those that are Top Secret?  Unless he was planning on blackmailing the government I can't see any reason beyond keeping them as a Trump card to sell to the highest bidder if he felt he needed to run.

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General Comments / Re: Trump looses again

« on: August 13, 2022, 12:54:58 PM »

The fact that the reported documents were classed as classified would indicate that these documents had not been declassified or they would no longer have that designation.  That means either Trump meant to declassify them and did not follow the proper protocols or they were never declassified.  Since they are classified we will never know exactly what information Trump had illegally moved to ML but I am hoping that enough information will be released to allow the public to decide the associated risks.

I have to wonder what motivated Trump to take the documents in the first place.

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General Comments / Re: Trump looses again

« on: August 13, 2022, 09:22:07 AM »

Trump's lawyers are obviously corrupt and in the pay of Soros/Gates.  Wait that can't happen since he is a stable genius who only picks the bestest of the best.

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General Comments / Re: Trump looses again

« on: August 12, 2022, 12:08:50 PM »

The PRA is moot, because Obama, Clinton, and others all flaunted it and were never held to follow it. The President is the final arbiter of what is classified and what is not. If the nuclear codes were declassified by the President, then they were declassified. No PRA can circumvent that.

Point 1- Obama did obtain a number of documents post presidency however they were obtained legally through the correct channels.  I am not aware of any documents Bill Clinton took or that he was ever accused of it.  You can fuss about Hillary however she was never president.  I will also note that Trump actually strengthened the PRA while he was in office.

Point 2 - Even if Obama and Clinton violated the PRA they are equally accountable for it as a crime.  That does not absolve Trump of taking boxes of public records.  Requests to recover them were only partially complied with and only after a subpoena was issued.  Trump could have complied and he would not have been subjected to the search.

Point 3- Unless there is a record of him declassifying every document BEFORE he left office it is still classified.  A former president can not retroactively declassify something.

We do not yet know what the FBI recovered so i will withhold judgement on specifics.  However I will note that Trump appointed both the FBI director and the judge that signed of on the warrant.  You seem to view Trump as an infallible victim but he can't be both a terrible judge of character when it comes to appointments and the brilliant business man who only appoints the best of the best.

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General Comments / Re: Trump looses again

« on: August 12, 2022, 08:30:24 AM »

You missed the American Flag cape

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General Comments / Re: Trump looses again

« on: August 11, 2022, 01:30:35 PM »

WM-The Presidential Records Act is not policy but law.  The fact that Trump also had a large number of classified documents that were part of the 15 boxes collected is also questionable.  I find it interesting that those who wanted to lock Clinton up for the handful of classified documents found on her server don't seem to have any interest in holding Trump to the same standard.  Yes, the president CAN declassify data but it still has to be done through channels and only while he was president.

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General Comments / Re: Trump looses again

« on: August 11, 2022, 08:09:38 AM »

Wasn't this a Trump appointed judge?  Oops, I forgot that as soon as anyone exercises and action that questions Trump they are woke traitors.

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General Comments / Re: GOP nutbag of the week

« on: August 07, 2022, 08:11:16 AM »

Have to agree with Tom.  Biden may claim to be a Democrat and some of his policies have been but most are Right leaning moderate.

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General Comments / Re: What are some things that Biden gets right?

« on: August 06, 2022, 07:59:53 AM »

The early church supported pacifism and wealth sharing that is not overtly supported by the current biblical narrative.  I have always wondered what changes were made to the texts when the Roman Empire decided to claim Christianity as it's religion.

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General Comments / Re: Alex Jones, scumbag

« on: August 04, 2022, 02:13:31 PM »

I think if Jones is not charged with perjury it will look bad.  This case is too public to let him off.  Couldn't happen to a more deserving individual.