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Messages - msquared

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1501
General Comments / Re: Lame Duck Actions
« on: November 18, 2020, 12:49:01 PM »
And Trump was the one who wanted only the votes counted on election night.  Not that this small number of votes will affect the outcome.

1502
General Comments / Re: Election Results
« on: November 18, 2020, 12:43:04 PM »
To me it feels like Trump is trying to play a golf game with the election.  Does not like a shot?  Take a mulligan? Hit it in the rough? Just tap it out with your foot while no one is watching.  36 foot putt down hill with slopes?  That's a gimme.

Scoring in golf is supposed to be the honor system, so that is probably why Trump plays golf, since he can cheat at it.  He is a well known golf cheat.

1503
General Comments / Re: Lame Duck Actions
« on: November 18, 2020, 12:30:19 PM »
yeah technically is not president elect yet. But for decades no conservative has whined about this, until now. This is a sign of a weak losing hand. When all you really have to complain about is what they call the guy who won.

1504
General Comments / Re: Election Results
« on: November 18, 2020, 12:16:59 PM »
I think Rudy G has been reported to say he is trying to fail up, so that he can get it to the US SC where Trump ally ACB is ready and set to support her boss. The President.

1505
General Comments / Re: Election Results
« on: November 18, 2020, 11:43:03 AM »
I have to correct myself.  I have been saying that the Trump team has won 1 or 2 of their court cases, in particular the one in PA about how far observers could be from vote counters.  In a 5-2 decision the PA SC overturned that ruling saying since there are no specific guidelines for how far the observers had to be, the election committee was within it's rights to determine a safe distance based on health guide lines. Even the 2 Republican justices who dissented agreed that the throwing out of all of ballots would be "misguided" and disenfranchise hundreds of thousands of voters over a small procedural error.

I wonder if those Republican judges got the memo about voter suppression being the tool of choice.

1506
General Comments / Re: Election Results
« on: November 18, 2020, 08:11:19 AM »
Donald

Should I be hearing that statement in Claud Rain's voice?

1507
General Comments / Re: Election Results
« on: November 18, 2020, 07:17:53 AM »
i wonder if any of the evangelical preachers are ever going to get on the bandwagon with Covid19 being sent by God to stop Trump's re-election?  I mean they use every other natural disaster as proof of God's punishing us for our evils.  Maybe the virus was God's punishing us for the evil of supporting Trump?

1508
General Comments / Re: Election Results
« on: November 18, 2020, 06:23:07 AM »
He may not be a flat earther but he is a young eather.

1509
General Comments / Re: Election Results
« on: November 17, 2020, 08:20:38 PM »
Nothing on Fox either at least at 8:20PM.  You think that would be headline news.

1510
General Comments / Re: Election Results
« on: November 17, 2020, 08:00:12 PM »
But Trump did just fire his Homeland Security cyber chief who had the audacity to say the election was fair.  He lost fair and square so heads must roll.

1511
General Comments / Re: Election Results
« on: November 17, 2020, 07:57:21 PM »
Where did you hear that? Brietbart?   OAN?  Parler?

1512
General Comments / Re: Lame Duck Actions
« on: November 17, 2020, 07:55:28 PM »
Fake news. No proof of votes over ridden by reputable sources. Trump's team has not been able to supply any evidence of this level of changes.  I think they are something like 2 for 25 on their law suits.

1513
General Comments / Re: coronavirus
« on: November 17, 2020, 10:33:58 AM »
Trump won the election. What else do you need?

1514
General Comments / Re: Election Results
« on: November 16, 2020, 08:37:07 PM »
And Trump's team just admitted that their suit in PA about there not being Republican observers in the counting rooms was a fraud.

https://news.yahoo.com/trump-campaign-drops-claim-gop-235348122.html

1515
General Comments / Re: coronavirus
« on: November 16, 2020, 02:02:44 PM »
I agree.

1516
General Comments / Re: coronavirus
« on: November 16, 2020, 01:22:23 PM »
I agree he did not cause the virus. But he is responsible for his own downplaying of the severity of the virus, his lack of preparation for what he really knew early on was going to be a pandemic, and his refusal to set an example by wearing a mask and selling using a mask as a patriotic duty.  His followers would wear a mask if he told them to. If he told them it was the main way to keep the economy open and running.  if he put it as a selfless sacrifice on par to what previous generations have done to help one another.  If had appealed to the basic goodness of people.

Would all of them have followed?  Of course not.  But do you think a good portion of them would have, Hell yes.  We could be heading into winter with a much lower infection rate with at least 2 vaccines due on the horizon.  Less than one year of sacrifice, and we would have made it through with less than 400,000 dead (which is where I think we are going to be, easily, by the end of Feb. 2021).

1517
General Comments / Re: coronavirus
« on: November 16, 2020, 11:18:34 AM »
And to me that is Trump's largest failure. To not lead the people to doing something against their wishes. In fact leading them away from science on this. Actively opposing it.

1518
General Comments / Re: coronavirus
« on: November 16, 2020, 11:05:58 AM »
How many Trump people will walk around with no mask telling everyone they got the vaccine and are safe now? Maybe you need to get a vaccine card? :)

1519
General Comments / Re: coronavirus
« on: November 16, 2020, 09:56:21 AM »
Another vaccine at about 94% effective rate (Moderna) announced today.  It seems like in a few months we will have several good options for a vaccine, but will the Trump supporters take it?

1520
General Comments / Re: Election Results
« on: November 16, 2020, 08:17:38 AM »
Ok so the Trump law suit in PA is basically asking the courts to throw out ballots that were cured (had small defects found before tabulation that the voter was allowed to correct, which is allowed by PA state law).  It seems that Democratic controlled counties did a much better job of doing that than Republican controlled counties. So the admin is suing the Democratic controlled counties, saying it is unfair.

They followed the rules and it is unfair?  Why are they not suing the Republican controlled counties for not doing their job correctly?

This suit, along with 99% of the others will get tossed or decided against the admin.

1521
General Comments / Re: Election Results
« on: November 15, 2020, 11:26:32 AM »
noel

So far the  Trump campaign has not been able to produce any evidence of fraud. In over a dozen cases that have been thrown out. Even when Trump supporters have offered $1 million dollars to anyone who can provide evidence of fraud.  No takers.

Trump does not have to concede. People call him a realist. The reality is he will loose. You are correct in that he has not lost. But he will loose. So he should start acting like it. For the good of the country.  But he will not because the good of the country is not something he cares  about.  He cares about one thing and one thing only. Himself.  He is a profoundly selfish man.

1522
General Comments / Re: Election Results
« on: November 15, 2020, 12:36:44 AM »
Except that since they new those ballots might be challenged, they were kept in their own pile and not listed as part of the vote total. So the lead Biden had did not go down with the court case, it just did not go up as much as if they had been allowed.  Again, no fraud. That was not evidence of fraud.

1523
General Comments / Re: Election Results
« on: November 14, 2020, 11:14:34 PM »
So a question.

If Trump were in the lead and Biden was the one asking for all of these reviews and challenges, would you other conservative members be OK with that?  Or would you be saying Biden should concede and accept the outcome of one of the most cleanly run elections (as reported by Trumps own election security office).

That is what bugs me the most.  This claim that this is about election security when he is only doing it in states he lost.  Why not states he won?  None of them had changes in election rules?  None of them have ever had any election fraud in the past?

The "civic duty" to protect the election process rings hollow when you truthfully look at what he is doing.

1524
General Comments / Re: Election Results
« on: November 14, 2020, 06:50:54 PM »
In our system are you not innocent until proven guilty?  Is the election then not correct until proven corrupt? And you need evidence for an investigation? And there is no evidence.

1525
General Comments / Re: Election Results
« on: November 14, 2020, 12:35:58 PM »
Or Trump supporters could do the same thing for their own voters? I mean it is not against the law.

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General Comments / Re: Election Results
« on: November 14, 2020, 08:23:38 AM »
Well 4 GOP governors have said they will not entertain the possible plan Trump has to over ride the popular vote in their state. On the cynical side you could see this a them knowing that if they did, they would be voted out at the next election for screwing with the popular vote. Those running against them could run on either the Gov. let a corrupt election happen or they could say they were spineless weasels who were caving in to Trump.  The generous side is that they know their elections were fair and Trump lost their state.

I think the fat lady sings in a few weeks.

1527
General Comments / Re: coronavirus
« on: November 13, 2020, 09:34:22 PM »
Trump for the win.

1528
General Comments / Re: Election Results
« on: November 13, 2020, 05:16:26 PM »
Well they have called NC for Trump and GA for Biden. Trump lost 2 more law suits and drop the one in AZ.  Legal options running out fast.

306 to 232.

msquared

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General Comments / Re: Election Results
« on: November 13, 2020, 04:08:09 PM »
Except more than half of that donation is going to pay off his campaign debt, not the legal fee's for the challenges.  It is in the small print of the donation form.

1530
General Comments / Re: Election Results
« on: November 13, 2020, 03:22:00 PM »
I guess when Trump is not paying for all of these suits why not spend other peoples money? That is what he is best at.


1531
General Comments / Re: Election Results
« on: November 13, 2020, 12:33:01 PM »
He calls it transference.  You project on other what you would do.
Trump loves to cheat (see his personal life and his golf game) so he is positive every one else is cheating. I mean why not?  It helps you win and winning is everything. 

1532
General Comments / Re: coronavirus
« on: November 12, 2020, 04:36:35 PM »
2,000 dead yesterday. We may hit the 300,000 faster than I thought.  And I thought Trump said it would go away like a miracle after the election.

1533
General Comments / Re: Election Results
« on: November 12, 2020, 12:27:49 PM »
Trump would rather break the game than loose.

1534
General Comments / Re: Election Results
« on: November 12, 2020, 07:59:44 AM »
Well since I think over a dozen of the law suits Trumps lawyers have filed have been thrown out of court already, is that good start.

The claim has been wide spread fraud. No one has claimed no fraud. What they have claimed is individual cases of fraud, that happen in every election. And often get caught.

You seem to equate any fraud with wide spread, massive fraud. And there is no evidence, anywhere, from anyone, that this exists.

1535
General Comments / Re: coronavirus
« on: November 11, 2020, 03:36:34 PM »
And we broke 240,000 dead today.  76 days after we hit 180,000. So 76 days for 60,000 dead.  Almost 790 per day.

I wonder if Trump is happy we beat this virus with only 100,000 dead?  Oh wait, maybe he said 200,000 dead? Has he mentioned 300,000 dead yet?

but it is going to go away, like a miracle.  Maybe once the vaccine gets wide spread distribution in 4-6 months.

1536
General Comments / Re: Election Results
« on: November 11, 2020, 12:33:51 PM »
No there are not really any exceptional events. there have been claims but no evidence what so ever presented.   Even the election watchers Trump brought in from out of the country say it was a clean election.

Fine until the EC meets and voted, he is not elected. Did you use that term when Trump ran the first time?   My guess is noel will continue to say Biden will be installed, implying a defect in Biden's election.

1537
General Comments / Re: Election Results
« on: November 11, 2020, 12:14:42 PM »
So your evidence is an article about an African country 4 years ago?
Please provide the reference for the voter turn out in the battle ground states. I would like to check that.

Of course as you pointed out, states with same day registration could very easily have more people vote than were registered before the vote.

1538
General Comments / Re: coronavirus
« on: November 11, 2020, 10:48:40 AM »
That may not be a fair comparison. NYC was the first city to have a blow up and they had almost no time to prepare for the crush of patients. Texas has had 7-8 months to ramp up.

1539
General Comments / Re: Election Results
« on: November 11, 2020, 09:56:51 AM »
I thought there was some type of shenanigan's going on with that election.  Looking it up it was the Sec of State making calls on the election he was running in (conflict of interest). There were some lawsuits but eventually Abrams said that there was not enough disputed votes that the results would be changed.

Sounds familiar.

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General Comments / Re: Election Results
« on: November 11, 2020, 09:27:17 AM »
Grant

do you mean the GA governor race where there was proven fraud on the Republican side?

1541
General Comments / Re: Election Results
« on: November 11, 2020, 09:12:15 AM »
And why only in the states that are in question?  Why not Texas and Florida and Ohio?  Maybe there was massive fraud on the part of Trump supporters in those states that we just have not looked for. I mean Trump even told them to vote twice.  I bet most of them did. I think we should invalidate all of the votes in those states until they can prove every single ballot was legitimate. Otherwise Trump would rule under a cloud and we would not want that.

1542
General Comments / Re: Election Results
« on: November 11, 2020, 08:45:44 AM »
noel

You sure know how to avoid answering a direct question.  I am not negotiating I am trying to get a better understanding of what you will accept.  I am confident that there is so little fraud as to be unmeasurable.  Trump, and his supporters, are the ones who have made allegations of massive fraud. Remember, they have to supply evidence and prove that. So for they have not been able to do any of that. It is all bluster.

Will you ever say Biden was elected? Ever admit Trump lost fair and square?  Or will you always think that this election was stolen.

I mean I will say that if Trump and his people supplied evidence of massive on the scale large enough to flip the states in question, I would say Biden stole the election and he should be removed from office.

There, does that satisfy you?  If you can prove the allegations, Biden should go and so should Harris (she would be tainted for the same reason).

1543
General Comments / Re: Election Results
« on: November 10, 2020, 08:34:20 PM »

1544
General Comments / Re: Election Results
« on: November 10, 2020, 07:21:12 PM »
Oh and I think the claims about poll observers have all been debunked in both PA and MI.  All of the lawsuits (I think) about that aspect have been tossed out due to lack of evidence (ie no evidence was supplied by the Trump admin when filing the suit).

1545
General Comments / Re: Election Results
« on: November 10, 2020, 07:19:07 PM »
You say installed but not elected?

So tens of thousands of voters in just a few states were all able to bypass the security that was in place to keep this from happening. And what evidence has been presented so far?  None. 

What is your cut off for calling it wide spread?  Will you agree it is not widespread if the number of fraudulent ballots in a state of 5 million is under 100?  Under 1,000?

If you think they will not find enough fraudulent ballots to over ride the results we have now, why not concede the race and get on with the transition?  Maybe it is because Trump really does not care about election security but about chaos in American politics.

1546
General Comments / Re: coronavirus
« on: November 10, 2020, 03:46:57 PM »
Drake

Is some info missing or is it a formatting issue, but I am not sure how we are supposed to see those numbers.

1547
General Comments / Re: Election Results
« on: November 10, 2020, 01:46:15 PM »
A pretty in depth analysis of Trump's lawsuits  over the past week and their results.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ha7iWECm_8E&ab_channel=LegalEagle

1548
General Comments / Re: Election Results
« on: November 10, 2020, 12:31:47 PM »
noel

At what point will you agree that Trump is wasting time? How many law suites have to be filed and rejected?  So far Trump is 1 for 5 or 6? And the one he won was just to let the observers closer..

If Trump files all of these suites and almost all of them get tossed because no evidence was presented of large scale fraud, will you accept the results as valid?

And if he is so concerned about election security, why not file suites in states he won, like Texas, Florida or Ohio?

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General Comments / Re: Election Results
« on: November 10, 2020, 10:49:57 AM »
Please note that almost all of Trumps legal actions in this part of the election have been thrown out due to lack of evidence. Not decided against them, but thrown out.   Claims that their observers were not allowed in the counting area were thrown out when their own lawyers admitted that there was a "non-zero" number of Republican observers in the counting area.

The one suite they won was to let observers get closer to the counters.

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General Comments / Re: Election Results
« on: November 10, 2020, 10:32:06 AM »
They will come to nothing with respect to the election results. There will likely be other side effects on the country.

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