Author Topic: Will Trump split the party at CPAC? (Read 5950 times)

msquared · « **on:** February 25, 2021, 03:05:37 PM »

So Trump is supposed to speak at CPAC this weekend and is expected to announce that he is the 2024 nominee for the Republicans (no need to have a primary, it would be crooked if he did not win the primary). Many of the old guard have a problem with a 2 time impeached ex President who lost the popular vote twice, lost the House and lost the Senate.

With all of the Trumpist members of the party willing to slap down anyone who speaks poorly of Trump, or follows what they think is right, will the party split? As long as Trumps personality cult exists, I think it will.

The Party is not the man and Trump has made it all about him. He has shown himself willing to burn down the Republic to get what he wants, so what is the issue with burning down the Party? I mean he is a RINO.

yossarian22c · « **Reply #1 on:** February 25, 2021, 03:49:45 PM »

The party won't split over Trump until 2024. 2022 will be a test run to see if the Trump wing can purge all the congress people with the courage to vote against Trump in the impeachment vote. The 2024 cycle is where the conflicts can't be swept under the rug or ignored anymore.

Maybe we'll have a Romney/Trump primary. I can't think of another Republican who has a high enough profile and enough backbone to take on Trump. There's the party split whoever wins and probably a guaranteed Biden second term. Either way Trump continuing to loom large over the 2024 election is bad for the nation. 10 more Republicans in the senate should have convicted him and removed him from the field. Another Trump election, if he wins or loses, will be disastrous for the nation.

LetterRip · « **Reply #2 on:** February 25, 2021, 04:05:32 PM »

I'd be a bit surprised if Trump doesn't doesn't have a felony conviction before the next Presidential election which would make him ineligible.

yossarian22c · « **Reply #3 on:** February 25, 2021, 04:08:32 PM »

Quote from: LetterRip on February 25, 2021, 04:05:32 PM

I'd be a bit surprised if Trump doesn't doesn't have a felony conviction before the next Presidential election which would make him ineligible.

Depends. If they can get him on trial in DC or NYC then he'll have a conviction. A jury in Trump country will look the other way, no matter how convincing the evidence, just like the senate.

yossarian22c · « **Reply #4 on:** February 26, 2021, 10:06:21 AM »

Quote from: LetterRip on February 25, 2021, 04:05:32 PM

I'd be a bit surprised if Trump doesn't doesn't have a felony conviction before the next Presidential election which would make him ineligible.

Are felons actually ineligible?

Constitution says:
"No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."

Because lets be clear the Trumpists aren't going to care if he has a tax fraud conviction on his record if he can somehow still manage to run in 2024.

NobleHunter · « **Reply #5 on:** February 26, 2021, 10:41:17 AM »

Can states impose additional requirements on candidates? Parties should be able to though that wouldn't stop Trump from running as an independent.

On a practical level, could he campaign from prison?

TheDrake · « **Reply #6 on:** February 26, 2021, 11:09:06 AM »

You're living in a fantasy world if you think he sees prison time. I mean, he'd still have his security detail, how's that work exactly? Should he be convicted, he'll wind up with probation if for no other reason than to keep the Proud Boys from rampaging.

It would be amusing to have him check in with a probation officer, but he'd get court supervised anyway just to avoid the fiasco of violent protesters at the location.

That's assuming you can somehow assemble a jury that doesn't have at least one Trumpian on the panel who will give him "total exoneration" in the form of a hung jury, that you can keep the courthouse from being overrun, that you can exhaust his appeals, and that the prosecutor even determines that Trump is guilty from the tax paperwork they just barely got and files charges.

NobleHunter · « **Reply #7 on:** February 26, 2021, 11:20:49 AM »

He doesn't need a security detail in solitary.

"Antifa" will rampage if the court obviously gives him a pass because of the Proud Boys. Damned if they do, damned if they don't.

Though I would be surprised if anything significant stuck and he went to jail.

yossarian22c · « **Reply #8 on:** February 26, 2021, 11:28:51 AM »

Quote from: TheDrake on February 26, 2021, 11:09:06 AM

That's assuming you can somehow assemble a jury that doesn't have at least one Trumpian on the panel who will give him "total exoneration" in the form of a hung jury, that you can keep the courthouse from being overrun, that you can exhaust his appeals, and that the prosecutor even determines that Trump is guilty from the tax paperwork they just barely got and files charges.

Jury selection in a Trump case would be insane. You either have to fill it with people who have strong feelings about him (one direction or the other) or find 12 people who don't know anything about politics and have basically lived in a cave for the last 4 years. Not to mention the real danger the jury would be under if their identities were ever revealed.

TheDrake · « **Reply #9 on:** February 26, 2021, 12:30:40 PM »

Quote from: NobleHunter on February 26, 2021, 11:20:49 AM

He doesn't need a security detail in solitary.

Well, he wouldn't be in solitary, he would be in a protective unit. And you're assuming that he wouldn't need protection from the guards, which isn't really a safe bet. And even that assumes he doesn't Epstein in holding. It is still a fantasy. He'd probably flee to Russia long before it came to any of that. Or hole up as King of a White Nationalist paramilitary compound, like the opposition in Venezuela.

msquared · « **Reply #10 on:** February 26, 2021, 01:14:25 PM »

He would demand a jury of his peers and then claim he has no peers.

yossarian22c · « **Reply #11 on:** February 26, 2021, 01:17:30 PM »

He'll insult the judge, then claim the judge must recuse because their biased.

msquared · « **Reply #12 on:** February 26, 2021, 01:28:33 PM »

And if he is convicted, the jury vote was a fraud and his innocence was stolen.

yossarian22c · « **Reply #13 on:** February 26, 2021, 01:32:10 PM »

Maybe we'll get lucky and he'll retire to a non-extradition country and leave us alone for the rest of his life.

msquared · « **Reply #14 on:** February 26, 2021, 01:39:05 PM »

No he hates America too much for that.

TheDrake · « **Reply #15 on:** February 26, 2021, 01:56:56 PM »

I'm surprised they don't make all voting drive-thru, that would eliminate all the people who can't afford a car, as well as everyone living in an urban area who don't want or need one. Then they could claim it was for convenience, covid safety, and extra verification by vehicle registration.

msquared · « **Reply #16 on:** February 27, 2021, 09:16:36 AM »

I wonder what the hard line Christians have to say about the Golden Trump Idol that was at CPAC? I think that is against a few verses in the Old Testament. But I am sure they will find a way around the fact they are worshiping a golden idol.

Aris Katsaris · « **Reply #17 on:** February 28, 2021, 04:20:12 PM »

Trump could sacrifice virgins to Satan in public, and his voter base would still find a way to argue that he's a good man and a true Christian.

yossarian22c · « **Reply #18 on:** March 01, 2021, 11:23:57 AM »

Quote from: Aris Katsaris on February 28, 2021, 04:20:12 PM

Trump could sacrifice virgins to Satan in public, and his voter base would still find a way to argue that he's a good man and a true Christian.

He needs a good cover to infiltrate and expose the satan worshipping, cannibalistic, pedophiles.

Wayward Son · « **Reply #19 on:** March 01, 2021, 11:32:43 AM »

And just to add insult to injury (stupidity to embarrassment? bad luck to bad PR?), the CPAC stage resembled the Odal symbol used by some Nazi SS divisions during WWII.

Or, as Ilyse Hogue put it in the article: "And by "resembles," I mean "is identical to.""

TheDrake · « **Reply #20 on:** March 01, 2021, 01:52:44 PM »

Quote from: Wayward Son on March 01, 2021, 11:32:43 AM

And just to add insult to injury (stupidity to embarrassment? bad luck to bad PR?), the CPAC stage resembled the Odal symbol used by some Nazi SS divisions during WWII.

Or, as Ilyse Hogue put it in the article: "And by "resembles," I mean "is identical to.""

That's insane. The rune is a diamond with some legs on it. I suspect you could find millions of examples that "are identical" to that. Not to mention that CPAC is rabidly pro-Israel as everyone should know. If you want to make more hay, look at the fact that they invited an anti-Semitic speaker and only cancelled at the last minute.

Meanwhile, Sarkozy is showing us how a convicted ex-President is handled. Two years suspended and one year house arrest.

roseauthor · « **Reply #21 on:** March 02, 2021, 01:47:13 AM »

Can any of you define which crime was committed by Donald J. Trump within a legal context and in which jurisdiction is this crime?

Just spewing rhetoric isn't enough. And if said crime was committed, do you NOT think the DNC would or have brought forth such?

msquared · « **Reply #22 on:** March 02, 2021, 07:06:45 AM »

Impeachment is not a legal proceeding, but a political one. That is why there are no prison terms associated with it. Just removal from office and removal of the chance to hold office again.

If you do not think he has undermined confidence in our election system with unfounded claims of election fraud, you are off the deep end.

TheDrake · « **Reply #23 on:** March 02, 2021, 11:31:38 AM »

Quote from: roseauthor on March 02, 2021, 01:47:13 AM

Can any of you define which crime was committed by Donald J. Trump within a legal context and in which jurisdiction is this crime?

Just spewing rhetoric isn't enough. And if said crime was committed, do you NOT think the DNC would or have brought forth such?

The recent part of this thread discusses what happens as a result of investigations into violations of tax law by the state of New York. It doesn't have anything to do with impeachment.

msquared · « **Reply #24 on:** March 04, 2021, 08:54:42 AM »

And where was the Golden Idol Trump made? In China of course. Even thought they originally said it was made in Mexico, now they admit they lied and it was made in China.

https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/trump-golden-idol-statue-china-083917944.html

I wonder if it fell into one of the tariff categories or not? Or maybe Trump had it excluded.

Wayward Son · « **Reply #25 on:** March 08, 2021, 03:50:25 PM »

In related news, Trump's lawyers send threatening letter to the RNC, etc.

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Donald Trump had his lawyers have sent [sic] threatening letters to the RNC, NRCC, and NRSC. ... He is threatening all the Republican committees and telling them to stop using his name and image in fundraising emails.

It goes without saying that the political committees commonly use the name and image of former presidents of their party for fundraising. Why doesn't Trump want this? Has he left the Republican Party? No, but he is not exactly what you might call a team player. He wants all of his supporters to donate exclusively to his super PAC and leadership PAC, so he has control over how the money is spent. If funding to the RNC, NRCC, and NRSC dries up, then the national GOP will have to come begging to Trump for money to support candidates. And he will then have the power to determine who lives and who dies, at least politically.

In case you weren't glued to the TV when Trump spoke at CPAC, at one point he said: "There's only one way to contribute to our efforts to elect America First Republican conservatives, and in turn to make America great again, and that's through Save America PAC and DonaldJTrump.com" (our emphasis). In other words, Trump not only ordered his supporters to give to his PACs, he forbade them from giving to other PACs, not even the official Republican Party ones! The committees are not likely to give in to Trump since he is a big attraction for donors. Of course, if they continue to use his name and image, he could sue the Republican Party. How would that look? We might find out.

Looks like the Don is making sure the Republican party is either his party or no party at all.

rightleft22 · « **Reply #26 on:** March 08, 2021, 05:42:21 PM »

That conservatives don't or wont see the above as a problem is a big problem.
When is GOP conservatism no longer conservative?

TheDrake · « **Reply #27 on:** March 08, 2021, 05:46:09 PM »

It seems like a surprising number of Republican Senators aren't wanting to stick around to be primaried, and there are signs that McConnell is quitting too, as the KY legislature is advancing a measure to keep the Democratic governor from picking anyone to replace him except McConnell's cronies.

msquared · « **Reply #28 on:** March 09, 2021, 08:15:34 AM »

Trump is even saying to send the money to him and not the party, since they are all RINO's.