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msquared

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Biden's choice for the SC
« on: January 27, 2022, 09:56:00 AM »
So before he has actually nominated anyone some Republicans are calling his nominee a ultra liberal who wants to kill babies, punish white people and take away your guns.

Well that may be a bit of hyperbole at this time but it is going to happen.

So who do you think he is going to choose? And how easily will this nominee get through the process?

Lloyd Perna

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Re: Biden's choice for the SC
« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2022, 10:08:28 AM »
I expect him to appoint Kamela Harris.

ScottF

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Re: Biden's choice for the SC
« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2022, 11:08:04 AM »
So before he has actually nominated anyone some Republicans are calling his nominee a ultra liberal who wants to kill babies, punish white people and take away your guns.

Well that may be a bit of hyperbole at this time but it is going to happen.

So who do you think he is going to choose? And how easily will this nominee get through the process?

Hasn't he already said his decision would be based on the person's race and sex? That should narrow the potential choices down a bit.

TheDrake

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Re: Biden's choice for the SC
« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2022, 11:09:45 AM »
Nominee will get railroaded through, following the playbook of the Republicans with Barrett. No matter who they are. All they have to do is appease Joe Manchin, who will demand a moderate and a pony and a king cake.

Lloyd Perna

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Re: Biden's choice for the SC
« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2022, 12:25:35 PM »
Nominee will get railroaded through, following the playbook of the Republicans with Barrett. No matter who they are. All they have to do is appease Joe Manchin, who will demand a moderate and a pony and a king cake.

I'm sure Democrat Leadership will completely ignore this but, It was Lawrence Tribe, Advisor to Joe Biden, who argued just a bit more than a year ago under Trump that the Senate President could not break a 50/50 tie for a Supreme Court Nomination.

https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/notable-quotable-tribe-voting-vice-president-supreme-court-justice-breyer-retirement-biden-appointment-harris-11643236691

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Re: Biden's choice for the SC
« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2022, 12:33:10 PM »
Nominee will get railroaded through, following the playbook of the Republicans with Barrett. No matter who they are. All they have to do is appease Joe Manchin, who will demand a moderate and a pony and a king cake.

I'm sure Democrat Leadership will completely ignore this but, It was Lawrence Tribe, Advisor to Joe Biden, who argued just a bit more than a year ago under Trump that the Senate President could not break a 50/50 tie for a Supreme Court Nomination.

https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/notable-quotable-tribe-voting-vice-president-supreme-court-justice-breyer-retirement-biden-appointment-harris-11643236691


Oh my! Can anyone image a politician changing thier views on something when it suites them or worrying about being seen as a hypocrite....
Were only 'outraged' when it happens against a issue we care about.  Not like we hold the politician accountable for being a hypocrite.... if we did we might have to look at ourselves. Better to avoid looking in a mirror, especially in my case, as its not a pretty sight.

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Re: Biden's choice for the SC
« Reply #6 on: January 27, 2022, 12:36:51 PM »
I expect him to appoint Kamela Harris.
That is who Trump should have appointed just to screw with everyone.

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Re: Biden's choice for the SC
« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2022, 12:39:00 PM »
Nominee will get railroaded through, following the playbook of the Republicans with Barrett. No matter who they are. All they have to do is appease Joe Manchin, who will demand a moderate and a pony and a king cake.

I'm sure Democrat Leadership will completely ignore this but, It was Lawrence Tribe, Advisor to Joe Biden, who argued just a bit more than a year ago under Trump that the Senate President could not break a 50/50 tie for a Supreme Court Nomination.

https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/notable-quotable-tribe-voting-vice-president-supreme-court-justice-breyer-retirement-biden-appointment-harris-11643236691

Sure. Just as I'm sure that Republican leadership will forget that Pence cast a tie breaking vote in the appointment of a circuit court judge.

Mynnion

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Re: Biden's choice for the SC
« Reply #8 on: January 27, 2022, 12:44:41 PM »
Kamala Harris or Michelle Obama (not that she'd want it)  Which would mess with the GOP more?

Mynnion

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Re: Biden's choice for the SC
« Reply #9 on: January 27, 2022, 12:46:23 PM »
Or Maryanne Trump Barry (too old but ironic).

TheDrake

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Re: Biden's choice for the SC
« Reply #10 on: January 27, 2022, 12:54:30 PM »
Well, what would mess with the GOP more? Hillary. Their demon nine years after exiting politics, owned by China, committed to the New World Order, abetter of pedophilia, eater of souls.

Lloyd Perna

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Re: Biden's choice for the SC
« Reply #11 on: January 27, 2022, 01:09:56 PM »
Well, what would mess with the GOP more? Hillary. Their demon nine years after exiting politics, owned by China, committed to the New World Order, abetter of pedophilia, eater of souls.

No no, the plan is clearly to appoint Harris to SC, then fill the vacant VP slot with Hillary and then Biden will resign making Hillary the first female President of the United States.

Lloyd Perna

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Re: Biden's choice for the SC
« Reply #12 on: January 27, 2022, 01:15:21 PM »
If Biden really does follow through with appointing a black female he has really done that person a dis-service.  She would have been nominated because she is black and female, not because she was the best candidate or necessarily even a decent one. 

In fact. if she is the best, Her hard work and accomplishments will have been for nothing.  The only important achievement to the left is possessing a black vagina.

msquared

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Re: Biden's choice for the SC
« Reply #13 on: January 27, 2022, 01:17:51 PM »
Is there only one best candidate then?

Lloyd Perna

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Re: Biden's choice for the SC
« Reply #14 on: January 27, 2022, 01:19:01 PM »
Objectively, yes, there should be.

msquared

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Re: Biden's choice for the SC
« Reply #15 on: January 27, 2022, 01:25:45 PM »
What a load of crap.  If there was always just one objectively obvious choice, we would not even need the Senate to approve them.

Who gets to make the criteria to say "objectively" this person is the best? 

I mean if you do not like how someone decides the law you can say they are not qualified. But that is just you. Other people who agree with the way they decide the law think that they are qualified.

I mean were Kavanaugh and Barret the obvious best choices?

msquared

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Re: Biden's choice for the SC
« Reply #16 on: January 27, 2022, 01:36:08 PM »
Donald Trump.  Keeps him out of the 2024 election and he will not live very long.

Lloyd Perna

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Re: Biden's choice for the SC
« Reply #17 on: January 27, 2022, 01:46:27 PM »
What a load of crap.  If there was always just one objectively obvious choice, we would not even need the Senate to approve them.

Who gets to make the criteria to say "objectively" this person is the best? 

I mean if you do not like how someone decides the law you can say they are not qualified. But that is just you. Other people who agree with the way they decide the law think that they are qualified.

I mean were Kavanaugh and Barret the obvious best choices?

Nobody said it needs to be obvious who the best candidate is.  But a president appointing a Supreme Court Justice should look at the candidates Legal Opinions, experience and professional qualifications and choose the one that would make the best Justice.  I concede it might not be obvious or even easy to make a distinction between two or three highly qualified candidates.     But that is where the President needs to use his Judgment.

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Re: Biden's choice for the SC
« Reply #18 on: January 27, 2022, 02:16:14 PM »
If we limit choice to active Federal Judges then there are a bit less than 1800, if we include law professors, a bit less than 15,000 more.  If we include experienced law practictioners (10+ years experience) probably over 1/2 of US lawyers - about 650,000.

Probably a list of 100's is provided and narrowed down to 20 or so, and then those get major background checks and 2 or 3 finalists are considered.

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Re: Biden's choice for the SC
« Reply #19 on: January 27, 2022, 02:23:29 PM »
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But a president appointing a Supreme Court Justice should look at the candidates Legal Opinions, experience and professional qualifications and choose the one that would make the best Justice.

Sounds great but this is totally subjective.  Biden's best choice is obviously not the same as Trump's choice.  Legal opinions and experience are also unequal.  Anyone who has ever hired someone from a large pool of applicants knows that there are times when your choice is a guess between several great candidates.

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Re: Biden's choice for the SC
« Reply #20 on: January 27, 2022, 03:10:35 PM »
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But a president appointing a Supreme Court Justice should look at the candidates Legal Opinions, experience and professional qualifications and choose the one that would make the best Justice.

Sounds great but this is totally subjective.  Biden's best choice is obviously not the same as Trump's choice.  Legal opinions and experience are also unequal.  Anyone who has ever hired someone from a large pool of applicants knows that there are times when your choice is a guess between several great candidates.

You left out a whole bunch of stuff. How long will the person be able to serve, for one thing. The objective most experienced legal minds are probably the oldest. Lately things have been trending to nominate judges who have participated in fewer opinions rather than more. How it will boost your party's support. The knock on effects of how the judiciary is viewed, particularly by people of color. Someone who will be able to introduce a different perspective into what questions are asked of petitioners.

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Re: Biden's choice for the SC
« Reply #21 on: January 27, 2022, 05:04:05 PM »
But a president appointing a Supreme Court Justice should look at the candidates Legal Opinions, experience and professional qualifications and choose the one that would make the best Justice. 

Or alternatively, start with the color of their skin and genitalia!

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Re: Biden's choice for the SC
« Reply #22 on: January 27, 2022, 05:10:00 PM »
The medium is the message

so board - I need to get a life

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Re: Biden's choice for the SC
« Reply #23 on: January 27, 2022, 07:58:59 PM »
Or alternatively, start with the color of their skin and genitalia!

That has been the usual practice.

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Re: Biden's choice for the SC
« Reply #24 on: January 27, 2022, 08:09:39 PM »
Maybe. I do give Biden credit for being the only one with the stones to say it out loud tho.

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Re: Biden's choice for the SC
« Reply #25 on: January 27, 2022, 08:45:27 PM »
As left as possible, and as young as possible!

The right long since stopped pretending appointments to the SC were anything other than a naked power grab.  Just a matter if the left -- and centre, and centre-right, frankly -- trouble to show up to try and stay in the game.