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msquared

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« Reply #750 on: December 01, 2022, 10:26:33 AM »
So not destroying evidence as such.

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« Reply #751 on: December 19, 2022, 07:46:37 AM »
So today is the day. Criminal referrals for Trump.  It sounds like there will be at least 3: obstructing an official proceeding, conspiracy to defraud the government and inciting or assisting an insurrection.

Trump Truth Social melt down in 3-2-1.....

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« Reply #752 on: December 19, 2022, 11:46:43 AM »
So with the Oathkeeper leadership found guilty of sedition the Proud Boys go on trial soon.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/1776-motherf-ker-proud-boys-144528097.html

So groups Trump tacitly approved of may both be convicted of sedition.

Remember to stand back and stand by. Not denounce, since he knows who his troops are.

Most of the Jan 6 rioters were useful idiots there as cannon fodder. The real people trying to bring down the Government were the Oathkeepers and Proud Boys. Both groups Trump has not denounced given multiple times to do so.

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« Reply #753 on: December 19, 2022, 01:29:51 PM »
At some point I wonder if we all haven't played the useful idiot to the rise of people such as Trump.
How do these odd people like Trump or Bankman-Fried gain the trust of so many?

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« Reply #754 on: December 19, 2022, 02:47:35 PM »
Well 4 charges against Trump.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/house-jan-6-committee-recommends-criminal-charges-against-trump-191729327.html

I wonder, besides John Eastman, who else will be included? Rudy? Sydney? Stone? Meadows? MTG?

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« Reply #755 on: December 19, 2022, 03:30:09 PM »
Note that those are just recommendations. The DOJ makes the actual call.

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« Reply #756 on: December 20, 2022, 02:27:03 PM »
From a reader of Electoral-Vote.com, a sentiment that I whole-heartedly agree with:

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Monday ends with the time to pay pipers
For a band of electoral swipers.
Sudden realizations
Of incarcerations
May fill more than a few MAGA diapers.
:D

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« Reply #757 on: December 22, 2022, 03:10:25 PM »
So Cassidy Hutchison was told to mislead the Jan 6 committee by her Trump aligned lawyer. And she did so the first time around.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/cassidy-hutchinson-says-she-initially-184647216.html

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« Reply #758 on: December 23, 2022, 12:03:14 PM »
More on Hutchison's testimony and what she want through.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/cassidy-hutchinson-secretly-back-channeled-160705906.html

A telling comment to me.

The witness, Cassidy Hutchinson, who served as a top aide to White House chief of staff Mark Meadows, testified to the committee that her Trump-aligned lawyer repeatedly urged her to "downplay" her role in the Trump White House and told her"we just want to focus on protecting the president."

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« Reply #759 on: January 01, 2023, 07:06:47 PM »
The New Congress will go after The real cause of the J6 disturbance. The Unselect Committee is now a cautionary tale.

House GOP Find Damning Texts And Email Evidence Implicating Nancy Pelosi (https://republicbrief.com/huge-house-gop-find-damning-texts-and-email-evidence-implicating-nancy-pelosi/)

Pull Quotes: "Gateway Pundit reports that now, there are discovered communications that prove there was a plan afoot to intentionally limit security in the event security was needed on Jan 6.

…House GOP members found texts and emails from Pelosi staffers proving they forcefully decreased J6 security measures despite objections from Capitol Police and Sergeants at Arms.
Rogan O’Handley posted a text message from Nancy Pelosi’s staff secretly editing the J6 security plan for the US Capitol and then telling the House Sergeant at Arms to “please act surprised” when the final draft was published

…Pelosi staff had regular meetings setting up J6 security, helped revise plans, and turned down requests from USCP and House Sgt. at Arms for more funding and Nat’l Guard troops. IT WAS A SETUP!!"

We know Trump offered security help before J6 and Pelosi refused him. Only one reason for that.

Ashli Babbitt was shot in cold blood by Lt. Mike Byrd inside the Capitol without warning. There were three other deaths of Trump supporters by Pelosi minions. Interesting to see what the new House majority reveals. Will Pelosi be indicted?

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« Reply #760 on: January 01, 2023, 07:14:22 PM »
Please seek out mental help, William.

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« Reply #761 on: January 01, 2023, 08:42:54 PM »
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Those who were present in Washington that day saw peaceful crowds who were there to protest the results of the 2020 presidential election.

Uh-huh.  That one sentence is SO counterfactual as to bring the whole essay into question.  Anyone who believes that is reality-challenged to begin with.  ;D

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« Reply #762 on: January 02, 2023, 11:46:20 PM »
"Gateway Pundit reports that now, there are discovered communications that prove there was a plan afoot to intentionally limit security in the event security was needed on Jan 6.

It wouldn't be the first accusation of such a plan. FDR was accused of doing something similar to increase the odds that in the event of an attack on Pearl Harbor it would do significant damage so as to foment commensurate public outrage. He kept the top officers there in the dark about the true state of affairs and ensured they'd be caught unprepared with their drawers and guard down. Just like the December 7th attack could only succeed if our defenses were dampened the same is apparently true of the January 6th attack. It's not a false flag but more like a red cape attack, the way a matador coaxes and tempts a raging bull to its doom. If the riot is nipped in the bud, that just won't do.

I won't go so far as to give Pelosi that much credit as a truly Machiavellian schemer, but it is an interesting theory nonetheless.   

On a related note, whatever the case with the massive voter fraud, the stealing of the election by the White House and FBI collusion with social media companies to prevent the truth from reaching the American people deserved massive peaceful protests as much as or even more than if it was stolen by voter fraud. The foundations of our democratic republic were indeed undermined by foul play and with Musk's heroic Twitter revelations the evidence is in, the facts are undisputed, and the verdict is guilty.

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« Reply #763 on: January 03, 2023, 05:47:40 AM »
Assuming that there is any truth to the allegations that "Pelosi reduced security" I'm going to bet that they come down to:

[security] Our dept wants more money
[Pelosi] Why?
[security] (thinking quickly) Some idiots might want to stage an armed insurrection!
[Pelosi] Come off it. You got anything to back that up?
[security] ... The internet is full of nutters?
[Pelosi] Come on...
[security] But Trump??
[Pelosi] Even he's not that daft. Have you seen the budget? Denied.

In hindsight Pelosi was of course wrong.

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« Reply #764 on: January 03, 2023, 09:05:50 AM »
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the evidence is in, the facts are undisputed, and the verdict is guilty
You said the same thing over a year ago, before any of the "evidence" you just cited -- which, again, boils down to no evidence at all -- had been presented.

Perhaps you're not actually basing this particular opinion on evidence, but rather on what your gut tells you about things?

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« Reply #765 on: January 03, 2023, 09:20:53 AM »
Wm sure is fast to go past any type of trial.  No facts are in dispute, no trial needed, just round them up and shoot them. Or put them in jail. No due process is needed.

Except when it is his guy who is being questioned. By Wm's process Trump should have been shot as a traitor by now.

Good thing the Dems follow the rule of law and not the mob justice the RINO Trumpist want to use.

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« Reply #766 on: January 03, 2023, 11:57:21 AM »
I don't think WM pays much attention to the consequences for his 'reasoning process'.

What is the saying... "be careful what you wish for."

“One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship.”
― George Orwell

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« Reply #767 on: January 13, 2023, 07:49:50 AM »
Even the leader of the Proud Boys says Jan 6 was Trumps fault.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/opening-remarks-begin-proud-boys-162102238.html

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« Reply #768 on: January 23, 2023, 03:12:36 PM »
Well 4 more Oath Keepers found guilty of Seditious Conspiracy.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/four-oath-keepers-convicted-jan-193930393.html

I wonder how many more of these people need to be found guilty, all in different courts, for the RINO MAGA Trumpist to realize they were mainly useful idiots who were being used as cannon fodder for the real Trump supporters to overturn the 2020 election?

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« Reply #769 on: January 23, 2023, 05:01:53 PM »
Been watching history channel Shadowland investigation into conspiracy theory's and how they impact individuals.
Very hard to watch.
Many of those trapped expressed thier sadness that it has affected thier family relationships. That there family can't/wont believe the things they believe hurts them... In their certainty of being right it didn't appear to occur to them that thier family members might feel the same way. That when a argument hinges on a lack of proof as being proof of what you know with certainty, and or the certainty that a sliver a truth out weighs 9 facts is proof that thier is no room for dialog. The only people you can talk to are those that think the same things as you.

fascinating, made me question my own reality.
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« Reply #770 on: January 23, 2023, 05:35:15 PM »
Been watching history channel Shadowland investigation into conspiracy theory's and how they impact individuals.
Very hard to watch.
Many of those trapped expressed thier sadness that it has affected thier family relationships. That there family can't/wont believe the things they believe hurts them... In their certainty of being right it didn't appear to occur to them that thier family members might feel the same way. That when a argument hinges on a lack of proof as being proof of what you know with certainty, and or the certainty that a sliver a truth out weighs 9 facts is proof that thier is no room for dialog. The only people you can talk to are those that think the same things as you.

fascinating, made me question my own reality.

It is something you need to be very mindful of when you start "going down the rabbit hole" on various conspiracy theories.

I absolutely love a good conspiracy theory when I encounter it. But I also try to remain very mindful that it is just that, a theory.  But the reality is, most "conspiracy theories" that are out there are complete trash.

Generally speaking there seem to be two main types of the trashy theories to be found.

The ones the exist entirely as a macro-level theory that fails utterly at demonstrating anything at the micro-level. (9-11 truthers)
Then the ones that exist entirely on the micro-level that desperately try to ignore everything else. (Obama birth certificate) Although for the micro-level ones, the favored tactic is to just bombard you with a bunch of random and very tenuously connected things to try to sell you a bill of goods. Much like a fast talking salesman using a wide array of buzzwords and jargon to baffle/bludgeon the customer into agreeing to a buy.

Hollywood's tendency to "sell" novel conspiracy theories of their own in order to generate "dramatic content" for viewers also doesn't help. NCIS(the series, not the agency it is named after),The Blacklist, and even the X-Files as well as Fringe, among others, are probably major contributors to facilitating many of these people to get lost down those proverbial rabbit holes as well. The less said about what often passes for content on Discovery and The History Channel these days, the better as well.

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« Reply #771 on: January 27, 2023, 09:03:52 AM »
Well Eastman is being charged with ethics violations and may be disbarred.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/state-bar-charges-john-eastman-023934959.html

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« Reply #772 on: February 02, 2023, 06:13:20 PM »
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Ashli Babbitt was shot in cold blood by Lt. Mike Byrd inside the Capitol without warning.

But Kevin McCarthy said about Lt. Byrd, "I think the police officer did his job."

It doesn't look like the House Majority will reveal much more about it.