The Jan 6 Commission

[DJQuag]

Lol.

After everything Trump has put out there about his political and other opponents, we find one time someone said they'd like to punch him in the face.

Good God. Is there anyone out there who wouldn't like to punch Trump? Either he's the devil or he didn't go far enough with "the plan."

Almost everyone alive wants to punch Trump. We all need to calm down.

[TheDrake]

Is a punch from Nancy pelosi a credible threat? I'm pretty sure I could take her best shot, and I'm not even a demigod in peak physical condition like trump.

[msquared]

Have you not been listening to Trump and his followers? Any one who is not a supporter of Trump is an enemy of the State. They hate America (Donald Trump) and everything America (Donald Trump) stands for. Any comment that is not supportive of Trump is treason (because Donald says so, just ask him).

[msquared]

For all those who blame Biden for the Afghanistan withdrawl, Trump wanted to do it sooner and faster after he realized he had lost.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/recognizing-election-loss-trump-tried-195752414.html

Sounds like he wanted to leave Biden a mess to deal with.  Not at all out of character for Trump.

[msquared]

More bad news for Trump.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/judge-trump-allegedly-engaged-conspiracy-204414280.html

[msquared]

And it is official.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/jan-6-panel-issues-subpoena-174634461.html

[msquared]

Well they are not going to let Trump have his circus on live TV.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/cheney-jan-6-panel-wont-153159639.html

Not really surprised. Trump know that if he goes on live TV he can make a circus of the proceedings. He would not answer any questions but would be the normal loud mouth braggart we have all come to know.  He would call names, insult, evade,denigrate, etc..

[TheDrake]

Well they are not going to let Trump have his circus on live TV.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/cheney-jan-6-panel-wont-153159639.html

Not really surprised. Trump know that if he goes on live TV he can make a circus of the proceedings. He would not answer any questions but would be the normal loud mouth braggart we have all come to know.  He would call names, insult, evade,denigrate, etc..

Good. That's a great precedent considering that nearly every member of Congress turns their own processing into a circus, making speeches and even using props when they are supposedly asking questions to better understand a problem.

[msquared]

I have to say I have been impressed with the restraint the panel has show with how they do the public hearings. No long winded pontifications, just short, to the point speechs.

[wmLambert]

I have to say I have been impressed with the restraint the panel has show with how they do the public hearings. No long winded pontifications, just short, to the point speechs.

That makes you a singleton,doesn't it? No one else thinks the J6 Committee is anything but a political farce. There are so many precedents that have been set, thet if the GOP adopts any of them, the Dems are in for a world of retribution. This panel is one-sided and embarrassing at how it is perceives by the public

Thanks to the Dems biased polling, no one actually responds to poll-takers to the point no one can take results at face value. We'll see by the red wave in the next two weeks, won't we?

[msquared]

No one takes it seriously? Every single person dismisses it?  Or just Trumpist?

and if there is no red wave in weeks what will you say?  Just another stolen election?  That will be the Trumpist battle cry until the end of days. We never lose, we just get it stolen from us, no matter the evidence.

[NobleHunter]

That makes you a singleton,doesn't it? No one else thinks the J6 Committee is anything but a political farce. There are so many precedents that have been set, thet if the GOP adopts any of them, the Dems are in for a world of retribution. This panel is one-sided and embarrassing at how it is perceives by the public

Thanks to the Dems biased polling, no one actually responds to poll-takers to the point no one can take results at face value. We'll see by the red wave in the next two weeks, won't we?

You really need to acknowledge that not everyone shares your beliefs. Even if many people believe the committee is a farce, that doesn't mean msquared is the only one to be impressed with them. Is this really the only place you encounter opposing viewpoints so that you think the beliefs expressed here are unique? 

[rightleft22]

That makes you a singleton

Id be interested to know how much of the the Commissions you watched first hand or if you took all your information about the events it covered from second/third hand analyses.

I've noted that when I aske those that 'do their research' on a event if they watched the event and or if they watch the analyses of the event and or the analyses of the analyses... In this case you had the event of Jan 6, the Commission to examine what happened on Jan 6, and the analysis on the Commission, and the analysis of the analyses... the point of which the most animosity (and control of the base) is created. 

[Tom]

Speaking for myself, I have actually been largely impressed by the thorough professionalism of the Commission. We've certainly seen circus sideshows and faux "investigations" in the past, but this one has been conducted pretty well and without too much empty grandstanding.

[TheDrake]

I confess I haven't watched much of the live testimony, I'll take everyone's word for it that this is completely different from status quo. Maybe this is what happens when nobody on the committee mocks it's purpose and tries to deflect from it's purpose. Or when the vote is a forgone conclusion and you're just trying to stack sound bites for fundraising, like at confirmation hearings.

[yossarian22c]

I have to say I have been impressed with the restraint the panel has show with how they do the public hearings. No long winded pontifications, just short, to the point speechs.

That makes you a singleton,doesn't it? No one else thinks the J6 Committee is anything but a political farce.

I agree with msquared statement. wm almost every time you use everyone (or no one)  what follows is almost always complete right wing propagandist nonsense. I can only assume you're hearing those statements from OAN, Fox, or Alex Jones. When your favorite propagandist starts using those statements just know what is following is a lie.

[rightleft22]

The digialt world only allows for like, dislike, either or, good bad, with me against me.

[msquared]

Which plays right into the religious rights right/wrong, black/white, with us or against us mind set.

[wmLambert]

I confess I haven't watched much of the live testimony, I'll take everyone's word for it that this is completely different from status quo. Maybe this is what happens when nobody on the committee mocks it's purpose and tries to deflect from it's purpose. Or when the vote is a forgone conclusion and you're just trying to stack sound bites for fundraising, like at confirmation hearings.

That's the point. No one takers it as a real thing. It is a political embarrassment with no substantiation. When Obama's minions refused to answer congressional subpoenas, exactly nothing happened. With a weaponized DOJ, people get arrested and penalized. We all see the difference, even those here who pretend they don't. When Liz Cheney got her nose out of joint because her RINO father was dissed, her snit cost her a loss by 40%. The people do see what is happening. The Biden/Pelosi/Schumer apologists just don't get it.

[TheDrake]

When he says everyone, he means all of the people he considers to be player characters, not the NPC group to which we all belong. WM has been red pilled all the way. We're all living in a dream world, unable to see the reality that WM does. Of course he's not going to give any credibility to what the Simulations have to say. The global elites are different though, they are the agents. The ones who enslaved us all, except for the brave few willing to fight them against the odds and free humanity from bondage!

[msquared]

Another Trump aide is testifying under oath. Hope Hicks.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/longtime-trump-aide-hope-hicks-164703713.html

How long before Trump and his followers caller her a never Trumper and Trump says he barely knew her?

[Tom]

I'm pretty sure the faithful have already called Hicks a Never-Trumper.

[msquared]

One of Trump's lawyers thinks he should testify.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-testify-jan-6-committee-105128210.html

Lets see if he does.

[msquared]

Oath Keeper now feels that he was acting as a traitor to his own government.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/oath-keepers-member-felt-elated-before-entering-capitol-on-jan-6-now-he-feels-ashamed-221421314.html

[msquared]

The two GA election works who testified to the Jan 6 panel are able to proceed with their defamation suite against Rudy G.


https://www.yahoo.com/news/judge-wont-dismiss-election-workers-210530047.html

Let's remember who asked Rudy to do this.

[msquared]

Not that it matters now since the panel will be gone if the Republicans retake control of the House, but Meadows lost another round in court.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/judge-dismisses-meadows-lawsuit-against-010657560.html

The only way for Trump and his cronies to win is to take control.  They have no legal or moral ground to stand on.

[msquared]

And the US SC has said Lindsay Grahm must testify in the GA election investigation. Even though Thomas put it on hold the whole court said he had to testify. No dissents were listed.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/supreme-court-clears-way-graham-184123369.html

[wmLambert]

When he says everyone, he means all of the people he considers to be player characters, not the NPC group to which we all belong. WM has been red pilled all the way. We're all living in a dream world, unable to see the reality that WM does. Of course he's not going to give any credibility to what the Simulations have to say. The global elites are different though, they are the agents. The ones who enslaved us all, except for the brave few willing to fight them against the odds and free humanity from bondage!

No. When I said everyone, I meant it. Even you know it is true all though you willnever admit it.

[Tom]

I assure you, I don't know it to be true. In fact, I believe it's a complete load of crap.

[Fenring]

It would be quite extraordinary if, in fact, everyone did see the same thing.

[yossarian22c]

When he says everyone, he means all of the people he considers to be player characters, not the NPC group to which we all belong. WM has been red pilled all the way. We're all living in a dream world, unable to see the reality that WM does. Of course he's not going to give any credibility to what the Simulations have to say. The global elites are different though, they are the agents. The ones who enslaved us all, except for the brave few willing to fight them against the odds and free humanity from bondage!

No. When I said everyone, I meant it. Even you know it is true all though you willnever admit it.

Are you that far gone that you can't conceive that individuals would have a differing opinion than you? Get some help man. At least five individuals here told you that they disagree with your "everyone knows" statement and your response is, you're all a bunch of liars you really secretly agree with me? We aren't here in the backwaters of the internet to sway broad swaths of public opinions, admitting disagreement with the party you vote for doesn't cost them elections based on the zero votes swayed on Ornery. Our statements aren't trending on Facebook/twitter/tik tok. We are only here to discuss politics and current events with other people. Its a great place for me to discuss with individuals with differing opinions. I have zero incentive to sit on here and lie about what I really know to score some political point that means as much as the points on 'Who's Line is it Anyway?'.

[jc44]

We aren't here in the backwaters of the internet to sway broad swaths of public opinions, admitting disagreement with the party you vote for doesn't cost them elections based on the zero votes swayed on Ornery. Our statements aren't trending on Facebook/twitter/tik tok. We are only here to discuss politics and current events with other people. Its a great place for me to discuss with individuals with differing opinions. I have zero incentive to sit on here and lie about what I really know to score some political point that means as much as the points on 'Who's Line is it Anyway?'.

Are you sure that we even make it to "backwaters", maybe "soggy patch within sight of the backwaters"? :-)
But still, I like it here - maybe I'm weird.

[cherrypoptart]

We're in one of the internet's liminal spaces.

Just the way I like it.

[wmLambert]

I assure you, I don't know it to be true. In fact, I believe it's a complete load of crap.

Yes. You do know it to be true. Obama's AG was subpoenaed and ignored it. You know nothing happened. You do know the DOJ has been weaponized. You know innocent Trump supporters have been raked over the coals and had their phones confiscated. You know no GOP candidates said anything about cutting SS. What you say you don't know is as much a lie as any of Biden's "gaffes." Can you honestly agree the inflation rate is zero? Can you honestly say the DOJ has even called Tony Bobulinski?

[msquared]

Except GOP members have called for the end of SS.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/looks-sean-hannity-caught-big-113217283.html

[yossarian22c]

Except GOP members have called for the end of SS.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/looks-sean-hannity-caught-big-113217283.html

And Rick Scott's plan to sunset all Federal legislation every five years. So he's literally calling for SS and every other federal law to expire within 5 years. Maybe congress would pass it again but given the GOPs shut and burn down the government attitude I don't think we can count on that being passed. There is also lots of stuff in that plan that makes passing budgets really hard that would lead to lots of government shut downs.

[msquared]

I mean not that Republicans have ever lied about what their plans were with anything (say abortion or most social policies).

[yossarian22c]

I mean not that Republicans have ever lied about what their plans were with anything (say abortion or most social policies).

Also you only need to go back to 2004/2005 when Bush was pushing really hard for SS accounts to be privatized. Basically tax funded 401ks for everyone. Hope your money lasts during retirement.

[Wayward Son]

I assure you, I don't know it to be true. In fact, I believe it's a complete load of crap.

Yes. You do know it to be true. Obama's AG was subpoenaed and ignored it. You know nothing happened. You do know the DOJ has been weaponized. You know innocent Trump supporters have been raked over the coals and had their phones confiscated. You know no GOP candidates said anything about cutting SS. What you say you don't know is as much a lie as any of Biden's "gaffes." Can you honestly agree the inflation rate is zero? Can you honestly say the DOJ has even called Tony Bobulinski?

What we also know, and seen with our own eyes and ears, are a parade of Republicans, all Trump supporters are one time or another, testifying under oath that he knew about the attack on the Capitol at that time, that he intended for them to march to the Capitol, that he knew they were armed, that he encouraged them to go there and stop the work of Congress, and that he wanted to be there himself.

Sure, there was bias in the Congressional investigation.  When you're looking for evidence of a crime, you don't ask the criminals to help you evaluate it.   But any bias does not change the sworn testimony by Trump staff and appointees of what they say they saw happen.  We saw that and know it.

So, no, we don't know it to be true.  From what we have seen and heard from the sources themselves, we pretty much know it is not true.  You're only fooling yourself if you don't believe there is good evidence to believe it is false.  And you are certainly telling yourself a huge lie to believe that we actually "know that it's true."

Being an certified expert on myself, I can attest that I believe it is a load of crap, too.

[wmLambert]

Except GOP members have called for the end of SS.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/looks-sean-hannity-caught-big-113217283.html

And Rick Scott's plan to sunset all Federal legislation every five years. So he's literally calling for SS and every other federal law to expire within 5 years. Maybe congress would pass it again but given the GOPs shut and burn down the government attitude I don't think we can count on that being passed. There is also lots of stuff in that plan that makes passing budgets really hard that would lead to lots of government shut downs.

No. Rick Scott was talking about how government does a bad job of social remedies. He said: "Able bodied Americans under 60, who do not have young children or incapacitated dependents, should work. We need them pulling the wagon and paying taxes, not sitting at home taking money from the government. Currently, far too many Americans who can work are living off of the hard work of others, and have no ‘skin in the game’. Government must never again incentivize people to not work by paying them more to stay home."

That is based on the fact that public remedies are far more effective and fair than government largess. That does not say to remove what seniors need to survive - just to do it better. When he said this - and as far back as 2010 - many people were worried about how government has always raided the SS "lockbox" to steal funding for pet projects and leave SS basically unfunded. The unreported parts of the speeches, glossed over to make them look bad, tore apart the government's failure to get it right.

In 2010 and even earlier, much concern was expressed over how SS was going insolvent unless fixes could be found.

[msquared]

yeah that coal miner who has spent the last 42 years digging coal is a slacker for not working until he dies and paying taxes.

How about taking off the limitation on how much income can be taxed for SS? Or paying SS on capital gains? Since that is how a bunch of really rich folks make their money?

[yossarian22c]

Except GOP members have called for the end of SS.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/looks-sean-hannity-caught-big-113217283.html

And Rick Scott's plan to sunset all Federal legislation every five years. So he's literally calling for SS and every other federal law to expire within 5 years. Maybe congress would pass it again but given the GOPs shut and burn down the government attitude I don't think we can count on that being passed. There is also lots of stuff in that plan that makes passing budgets really hard that would lead to lots of government shut downs.

No. Rick Scott was talking about how government does a bad job of social remedies.
...

No Rick Scott's plan is to sunset all federal legislation every 5 years. He didn't exclude SS and medicare from that plan. So he is calling for the end of SS and Medicare unless congress decides to pass it again. Does giving money and health care to poor elderly people sound like something Republicans are typically on board with these days? Shouldn't those people get jobs? Be supported by their family, local charities, the church? Shouldn't government "get out of the way" and let them die from disease if their family and private charities can't cough up the funds to for treatment?

[msquared]

Surprise, now Trump does not want to testify before the committee.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-files-lawsuit-avoid-jan-013036562.html

[msquared]

Well the SC ruled against Kelli Ward in AZ and she has to turn over her phone records.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/high-court-rules-against-arizona-163703263.html

[msquared]

Well 2 OathKeepers found guilty of Seditious Conspiracy and the rest of obstructing an official proceeding.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/oath-keepers-leader-stewart-rhodes-associate-convicted-of-seditious-conspiracy-in-jan-6-riot-223752927.html

And top Trump officials were in contact with these people in the days before Jan 6.

[Grant]

Well 2 OathKeepers found guilty of Seditious Conspiracy and the rest of obstructing an official proceeding.

Hmph. Max sentence 20 years. Nobody is going to remember these morons. Or be deterred from their crazy bs.  They’re going to descend into a magic rabbit hole and nobody is even going to know their names 20 years from now.

They need to be publicly hanged outside the Capitol Building and their bodies left out until they decay. Fox News and OAN and Newsmax need to be made to replay the executions every hour during a commercial break.

[msquared]

McCarthy is now telling the Jan 6 Committee to keep all of their records so that when the Republicans investigate them they can check their work.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/kevin-mccarthy-instructs-jan-6-124758600.html

Who does he think these people are? Donald Trump?  Of course they will keep all of the records.

One of the funniest comments from McCarthy  “The official Congressional Records do not belong to you or any member, but to the American people.”

I wonder if he could say the same about Presidential Records that Trump took?

[Lloyd Perna]

I think this is probably in response to remarks made by Schiff that they intend to "scrub" the evidence before releasing the final report.

[msquared]

Evidence of these remarks Schiff supposedly said?  Not saying he didn't but I have not read that anywhere.

[Tom]

He said it in a CNN interview, noting that Jim Jordan will be the head of Judiciary in January and that, since he was a subject of the investigation, it'd be necessary to redact personally-identifying information about the informants who gave them evidence against Jordan before he gains access to it. It is not unlikely that pro-Trump Republicans would act to destroy anyone who anonymously provided information to the committee.