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yossarian22c

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« Reply #250 on: March 02, 2022, 01:11:00 PM »
Turkey sends more TB-2 drones to Ukraine

https://www.aerotime.aero/articles/30352-ukraine-says-it-received-new-batch-of-bayraktars-from-turkey

Just so I understand the rules, drones are ok, but MiG-29s are not. 

I mean, I still don't know what went into the decision.  It would be nice for some clarification.

Turkey is further from Russian tanks and planes???

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« Reply #251 on: March 02, 2022, 02:10:10 PM »
Turkey sends more TB-2 drones to Ukraine

https://www.aerotime.aero/articles/30352-ukraine-says-it-received-new-batch-of-bayraktars-from-turkey

Just so I understand the rules, drones are ok, but MiG-29s are not. 

I mean, I still don't know what went into the decision.  It would be nice for some clarification.

It's really like any escalation. There's no reason why javelins are okay and fighters not either. Except one is more provocative than the other. Not sure how Russia feels about the difference.

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« Reply #252 on: March 02, 2022, 02:10:19 PM »
Turkey is further from Russian tanks and planes???

I find it more likely that Erdogan just doesn't give a F and he doesn't have to deal with any resistance at home.  He's my favorite bloodthirsty evil dictator.  Turkey already shot down a Russian Su-24 back in 2015 when it got a little too close in Syria.  I think of all NATO countries, they are the least scared of Pooter.  Turkey also closed the Bosphorus/Dardanelles to Russian warships a few days ago.  Ballsy move.  I didn't think it was going to happen. 

I think that dictators, as a rule, don't like other dictators.  Hopefully this keeps Russian cooperation with China down to a minimum. 

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« Reply #253 on: March 02, 2022, 02:12:51 PM »
Meanwhile you can still rent an AirBnB in Kyiv. #1 question, does your building still exist?


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« Reply #254 on: March 02, 2022, 02:27:55 PM »
It's really like any escalation. There's no reason why javelins are okay and fighters not either. Except one is more provocative than the other. Not sure how Russia feels about the difference.

Russia doesn't like any of it.  Hence the threat by raising their nuclear alert level.  That was it.  Puffer Fish. 

The only difference is how much it effects the outcome of the war.  The bigger the effect, the more Pooter won't like it.  NATO air support?  Russia is finished.  They know that.  Maybe they think that they can still win with every country in the universe giving them drones and javelins, but he should be figuring out by this point that his entire Army is being systematically ground down fighting a single country. 

The largest deployment of the US Army in recent times was for the 1st Gulf War, where the Army deployed roughly 50% of it's forces (but maybe a greater degree of it's actually combat power, since many of the divisions that were not deployed were Light Infantry), which coincided with the largest standing mechanized army that it faced.  It would be like a large portion of that combat power being eroded over a week. 

He's either figured it our or will soon that the current level of NATO involvement will already cost him way more than the juice is worth.  But he's stuck in a sunken cost problem now and the only thing worse for him than winning is losing.  The nuclear sabre rattling has probably only begun.  I won't be surprised if he starts putting units on alert near the Baltics or Finland as well.  Just to raise the pressure. 

yossarian22c

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« Reply #255 on: March 02, 2022, 03:00:43 PM »
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He's either figured it our or will soon that the current level of NATO involvement will already cost him way more than the juice is worth.  But he's stuck in a sunken cost problem now and the only thing worse for him than winning is losing.  The nuclear sabre rattling has probably only begun.  I won't be surprised if he starts putting units on alert near the Baltics or Finland as well.  Just to raise the pressure.

That's the scary thing, losing makes Russia look weak and Putin would hate that.

I wonder if NATO will give expedited admission to Sweden and Finland? I can't imagine either country wanting to delay after what happened to Ukraine. Get in before Russia starts putting troops on your border and hopefully avoid the bloodshed.

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« Reply #256 on: March 02, 2022, 03:02:55 PM »
I imagine Taiwan is going to be upping their defense budget as well. Although the Russian struggles are probably putting a wet blanket on China's asperations of a quick amphibious landing to overrun the island.

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« Reply #257 on: March 02, 2022, 03:13:19 PM »
Putin says he is sees Nato as a security threat even though one could argue that Noto countries desire for economic growth and don't see military aggression as conducive to that growth.
Globalization has made the idea of War economically unsustainable IMO. The West experience in Afghanistan and Iraq has I think proven that. Invasion is hard and failure long-term likely.

I suspect that the ratio of attack of 3 to 1 isn't true anymore when it come to a determine resistance and a thousand dollar weapon can take out a million dollar one.
Traditional War as a way to archive ones dominance no longer makes sense - if it ever did


 

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« Reply #258 on: March 02, 2022, 03:31:01 PM »
One promising development if it's true is the mass surrenders by Russian troops. Some may be surrendering when they run out of fuel but I'd like to believe that most of them are good human beings who while they would fight to the death to defend their country see this invasion for exactly what it is and are not willing to fight to the death when they clearly see that they are the oppressors and are being given orders to commit war crimes and crimes against humanity in purposefully targeting civilians. Soldiers who surrender rather than perpetrate atrocities are heroes. If they can't go home after that hopefully some system can be set up so they can get asylum.

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« Reply #259 on: March 02, 2022, 03:43:44 PM »
I wonder if NATO will give expedited admission to Sweden and Finland? I can't imagine either country wanting to delay after what happened to Ukraine. Get in before Russia starts putting troops on your border and hopefully avoid the bloodshed.

I think that is the best move and I would like that.  But it's possible NATO would hold back granting admission to either because Pooter has said it would be "provocative", etc.  I.E., NATO refuses to let either into NATO because they don't want to start a war with Russia.  Basically how this war with Ukraine started.  But NATO this week is not NATO from last week.  Or the last 30 years.  A bunch has changed. 

Worst case scenario is that Russia eventually wins in Ukraine then decides to attack or threaten a NATO country in return for dropping sanctions against Russia.  Japan attacked the United States because of sanctions for invading China.  The goal of Pooter in Ukraine was to win so quickly that NATO never had a chance to sanction Russia before it was fait accomplit and demoralize the west. 
He may think he can achieve the same thing with some kind of limited nuclear attack on NATO.  Or maybe he's not that silly. 



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« Reply #260 on: March 02, 2022, 03:49:05 PM »
I wonder if NATO will give expedited admission to Sweden and Finland? I can't imagine either country wanting to delay after what happened to Ukraine. Get in before Russia starts putting troops on your border and hopefully avoid the bloodshed.

I think that is the best move and I would like that.  But it's possible NATO would hold back granting admission to either because Pooter has said it would be "provocative", etc.  I.E., NATO refuses to let either into NATO because they don't want to start a war with Russia.  Basically how this war with Ukraine started.  But NATO this week is not NATO from last week.  Or the last 30 years.  A bunch has changed. 

Worst case scenario is that Russia eventually wins in Ukraine then decides to attack or threaten a NATO country in return for dropping sanctions against Russia.  Japan attacked the United States because of sanctions for invading China.  The goal of Pooter in Ukraine was to win so quickly that NATO never had a chance to sanction Russia before it was fait accomplit and demoralize the west. 
He may think he can achieve the same thing with some kind of limited nuclear attack on NATO.  Or maybe he's not that silly.

Worst case may be he doesn't win in Ukraine and decides to detonate a nuke in Kyiv to teach anyone who dares oppose him a lesson.

I think the plan was listening to overly optimistic war planners who said they could win in hours or a few days with a big first strike. Quick enough to make sanctions and other actions from outside Ukraine not effective.

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« Reply #261 on: March 02, 2022, 03:52:11 PM »
By the time this is done, Putin isn't going to have an army left to threaten anyone with. He can always wave his nukes around but there's a very sharp limit to what you can get with that due to MAD.

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« Reply #262 on: March 02, 2022, 03:57:06 PM »
I imagine Taiwan is going to be upping their defense budget as well. Although the Russian struggles are probably putting a wet blanket on China's asperations of a quick amphibious landing to overrun the island.

Ehh.  China isn't Russia.  I think they're telling themselves that as well, every day.  And Taiwan isn't Ukraine. 

To have any chance at all, the Chinese would have to blast Taiwan in the first hour of the war.  I think they know that.  And I think they wouldn't have any problem doing it.  I don't think the Chinese are going to be as squeemish about going out of the gate full blast when the bell rings.  But then again, I thought the same about Russia. 

I'm hopeful that Taiwan increases it's spending on defense, but they key to that is the Taiwanese people.  American posturing in terms of deterrence has the exact opposite desired effect when it comes to the people of Taiwan wanting to spend more on the military or start conscription.  The more the United States signals China that they would intervene, in order to deter war, the more the Taiwanese pick up on this and figure they don't need to spend more money on defense because America will come to their rescue. 

The reality is that if Taiwan doesn't have stronger air defenses, and stronger ground units able to hold Taipei against amphibious attack, there will not be a Taiwan to come and rescue.  But it is a real catch-22. 

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« Reply #263 on: March 02, 2022, 04:21:57 PM »
Globalization has made the idea of War economically unsustainable IMO. The West experience in Afghanistan and Iraq has I think proven that. Invasion is hard and failure long-term likely.

I wouldn't say that.  Both the initial invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq were extremely successful for the United States, especially when you consider the disaster that is happening in Ukraine. 

Invasion itself wasn't the problem, but "nation building" or "occupation" was. 

The United States never faced the kind of economic sanctions that Russia is now facing.  The United States had many allies with it when invading both countries. 

The government set up by the United States in Iraq is still extant.  It is one of the more liberal Islamic democracies in the middle east. 

Unfortunately the government set up in Afghanistan fell to the Taliban after the United States and allies departed the country.  This failure was not destined or unavoidable, but was a choice made by the government of the United States. 

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I think there may be some mistaken lessons taken from the current war in Ukraine.  First, Russia can still win and get what it wants.  It would just take a lot longer.  Two, we've been very fortunate in the Russian's military incompetence, the Ukrainian's courage, and Europe waking from it's slumber.  None of these should be taken as given.  It could have gone Pooter's way.  The United States could have taken a different tack.  There are plenty of people in the states that still support Russia in this. 

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« Reply #264 on: March 02, 2022, 04:24:17 PM »
By the time this is done, Putin isn't going to have an army left to threaten anyone with. He can always wave his nukes around but there's a very sharp limit to what you can get with that due to MAD.

So far, it's getting Pooter what he wants.  The only thing keeping Europe and the United States from intervening in Ukraine is "WORLD WAR III!!!!".  The difference is that it is costing him way more than he bargained for and he hasn't won yet.  But he hasn't lost yet either. 

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« Reply #265 on: March 02, 2022, 04:49:29 PM »
I take your point - "invasion itself wasn't the problem, but "nation building" or "occupation" was."

the lessons I learned from the wars in the last 20 years is the conventional forces on their own don't get the job done when their is sustained resistance. Even if you win you lose in the long occupation.

What does Putin gain by winning in Ukraine?   Is Russia better off, more secure? I don't see it. Even if everything had gone Putin's way and he re-gained the Warsaw Pack?

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« Reply #266 on: March 02, 2022, 05:01:31 PM »
So far, it's getting Pooter what he wants.  The only thing keeping Europe and the United States from intervening in Ukraine is "WORLD WAR III!!!!".  The difference is that it is costing him way more than he bargained for and he hasn't won yet.  But he hasn't lost yet either.

It hasn't gotten him what he wants yet and even if he keeps Ukraine, he's not going to be able to take anywhere else.

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« Reply #267 on: March 03, 2022, 09:18:01 PM »
Worst case scenario is that Russia eventually wins in Ukraine then decides to attack or threaten a NATO country in return for dropping sanctions against Russia.  Japan attacked the United States because of sanctions for invading China.  The goal of Pooter in Ukraine was to win so quickly that NATO never had a chance to sanction Russia before it was fait accomplit and demoralize the west. 
He may think he can achieve the same thing with some kind of limited nuclear attack on NATO.  Or maybe he's not that silly.

I think the goal/expectation was for Ukraine to roll over much like they did in 2014. He gets his fait accompli, and off of that success while the West protests in impotent rage, China takes that as their cue to invade Taiwan.

Only Ukraine didn't roll over as expected. Fait accompli may still happen, but not in the timeframe he hoped for. China might still take it as their cue to go after Taiwan (in a "we'll either hang together, or hang separately" type deal) if only to try to show how they've better at this whole invasion thing than either the Russians or the Americans(they've stolen so much of our tech/stuff after all)

Except some of the reporting now going on is that the Russian forces are evidently having problems with dry rot in the tires of their vehicles... So many of their tires came from guess where? China.

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« Reply #268 on: March 03, 2022, 09:22:37 PM »
Worst case may be he doesn't win in Ukraine and decides to detonate a nuke in Kyiv to teach anyone who dares oppose him a lesson.

Doubtful. Him nuking Kyiv, even in spite, would be like an American nuking Boston, Times Square in NYC, or nuking Pearl Harbor.

It's part of why Putin wants to conquer Ukraine and why Russians have had such a close relationship with Ukraine in the past. Many of Russia's earliest cultural touchstones exist in Ukraine, and in Kyiv specifically.

That isn't to say nukes couldn't be used in Ukraine. Just that the target options are probably not the first places you'd think of.

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« Reply #269 on: March 05, 2022, 03:29:35 PM »
Still sad to see that the Biden Admin is having to be drug, kicking and screaming, into doing something about the Russian Oil Imports and lack of sanctions on them. Smartest dumb people in the room slow walking the world into a Great Powers Conflict because they're conducting global geopolitics with all the skill of Mr. Magoo, but with worse luck on their part.

Good news is enough Democrats in Congress have a backbone that it appears action is likely going to be forced in any case, but the time lag is still large enough at this point that I doubt it is going to do anything to dissuade China from undertaking their own military adventure.

Message received loud and clear: The Western Advanced Economies will squawk loudly about Democracy and get up to some rather annoying activities... But they're not going to risk their economies in any significant way to do anything about it.

Given how China is tightly connected to so much of the world's economic system, you basically cannot put harsh sanctions on them like has been done on Russia without putting your own economy at risk in more ways than one. While with Russia your only major risk factors are oil and natural gas prices.

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« Reply #270 on: March 05, 2022, 03:42:12 PM »
And another analyst I follow, has pointed out some cheery information for the next year or two.

Russia is the #5 Grain exporter in the world, Ukraine is #4. For obvious reasons, if the fighting runs much longer in Ukraine(and even if Ukraine surrendered next week) it is unlikely that Ukraine is going to have much of a planting season, or subsequent harvest this year. And with Russia under a harsh economic sanctions regiem...

The Arab Spring from a decade ago happened largely in response to an increase in food prices as a consequence of a drought that struck Ukraine and Russia the year before.

Only we're not just dealing with their grain exports this year.

China is the #1 exporter of phosphate based fertilizers, so if they do anything that results in their sanctioned too...
Russia is the #4 exporter of phosphate based fertilizers...

Using potash for your fertilizer input? Russia, Belarus, and China combined made up 48% of the world's potash production in 2020.

Nitrate based fertilizers use natural gas as a primary input, and Russia is one of the world's primary producer of natural gas and associated byproducts (such as nitrate fertilizers).

Modern crop yields across much of the world are heavily reliant on the input of fertilizers. Fertilizer supplies, of nearly all types, are likely to be extremely tight this year, which means very expensive for the areas that still have it available(North America--which ironically doesn't need it very badly thanks to naturally productive farmland), and severe shortage in other parts of the world. Severe shortage of fertilizer in turn means diminished crop yields later this year... Which means further reduction in food exports/availability across the globe.

The "Arab Spring"  was wild enough as it was, dialing that up to 11 and throwing in the Covid aftermath on top of that and the next couple of years are looking to be very rough ones indeed, even if China doesn't decide to trigger a Great Power conflict over Taiwan.

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« Reply #271 on: March 05, 2022, 04:17:19 PM »
TheDeamon

"Still sad to see that the Biden Admin is having to be drug, kicking and screaming, into doing something about the Russian Oil Imports and lack of sanctions on them."

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And I was thinking to show how seriously we take the situation we'd have to put sanctions not just on Russia but on the countries that buy their oil. It's sad to see that we'd have to start first and foremost by sanctioning ourselves.

I don't know if it's true or not but I heard that since elected, President Biden hasn't had any direct communication with the leadership of Ukraine. Refusing to take their calls sends a message along with words like "minor incursion". People are acting like Biden is successfully stepping up to the plate now in harshly dealing with Russia but the real test of leadership has already been failed. If it had been successful then this invasion wouldn't have happened. Having said that, now that everything's broken, I will give Biden some credit for no longer being as weak as possible. His actions are pretty strong so far if a dollar short and a day late but there's also much more he can do and no longer importing Russian oil should be at the top of the list.

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« Reply #272 on: March 05, 2022, 05:46:10 PM »
US Senators on a video call with the Ukrainian President share details of the call even though they were asked/told to not share that info.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/two-gop-senators-share-photos-192047841.html

I wonder how many GOP Senator's are in the pay of Putin?

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« Reply #273 on: March 06, 2022, 06:16:14 AM »
TheDeamon

I don't know if it's true or not but I heard that since elected, President Biden hasn't had any direct communication with the leadership of Ukraine.
That much I'm pretty sure is false:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/biden-zelensky-meet-white-house-amid-ukraine-russia-conflict-n1278232

and in the reporting of Saturday's conversations Zelensky uses the words "another phone call with POTUS" indicating that there has been prior communication.

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« Reply #274 on: March 06, 2022, 07:57:25 AM »
But they were not the greatest phone calls ever made in history were they. So they do not count.

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« Reply #275 on: March 07, 2022, 05:28:40 PM »
I wonder how many GOP Senator's are in the pay of Putin?

Or, worse, are being blackmailed by Putin. ;)

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« Reply #276 on: March 08, 2022, 10:58:16 AM »
What has Putin shown the world?  That his military is second rate.  Threatening nukes is his only trump card.  Of course it is the only real trump card he needs. But in a conventional war? NATO wipes the floor with him.

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« Reply #277 on: March 08, 2022, 11:15:37 AM »
What has Putin shown the world?  That his military is second rate.  Threatening nukes is his only trump card.  Of course it is the only real trump card he needs. But in a conventional war? NATO wipes the floor with him.

I think he also severely overestimated how much people care about his oil. It seems like part of his plan was to establish an oil network with Europe, thereby making them reliant on it so that they wouldn't dare risk having it cut off. Boy was that a miscalculation.

I have to admit I'm surprised at his stupidity if this is in fact his idea. I had thought that for the past 10-15 years he was working to overcome the mid-East competition and get Russia up to snuff economically as much as possible. Why preside over a weak, beaten country when he can rule a stronger country with a better economy. I guess it just goes to show that in a way these kinds of people would rather be a big fish in a little pond, ruling the pile of rubble, than to preside over a prosperous nation and increase their power base. Maybe China is exceptional in this regard, since they seem to see the strength of the nation as being global finance rather than the individual might of the ruler.

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« Reply #278 on: March 08, 2022, 11:29:17 AM »
Colonel Ivanov: Wait, we're invading Ukraine?
General Popov: It is true, comrade.
Colonel Ivanov: Why?
General Popov: Apparently, Putin trusted our readiness reports.

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« Reply #279 on: March 08, 2022, 11:32:41 AM »
I saw a report that said the generals had been siphoning off money to build luxury yachts instead of spending it on the military. I mean when you have a bunch of crooks running the country why not get some of your own.  You're never really going to go to war, right? No one would be that crazy?

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« Reply #280 on: March 08, 2022, 11:33:13 AM »
What a squadron of A-10 and a battalion of M1's would be able to do over there.

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« Reply #281 on: March 08, 2022, 12:19:38 PM »
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I have to admit I'm surprised at his stupidity if this is in fact his idea. I had thought that for the past 10-15 years he was working to overcome the mid-East competition and get Russia up to snuff economically as much as possible. Why preside over a weak, beaten country when he can rule a stronger country with a better economy. I guess it just goes to show that in a way these kinds of people would rather be a big fish in a little pond, ruling the pile of rubble, than to preside over a prosperous nation and increase their power base. Maybe China is exceptional in this regard, since they seem to see the strength of the nation as being global finance rather than the individual might of the ruler.

I also thought that Putin realized that conquering didn't require military force. His ability to disrupt seem to have been working. I disagree that his intention was to create a strong Russian economy that benefited the hole.  The fact that he and his cronies have taken (stolen) the amount of money they have and moved the money out of Russia begs the question as to what he was trying to build.

It will not surprise me when he gets backed into a cornered he decides to take everyone down with him. I hope the Russian people take the steps need to stop him before that happens. 

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« Reply #282 on: March 08, 2022, 12:30:07 PM »
I disagree that his intention was to create a strong Russian economy that benefited the hole.

I never thought he cared about the economy vis a vis improving life for the citizens. It just seems to be common sense that if you're skimming off the top of everything, the bigger the pot the more you personally get. Fleecing the country amounts to much less if the country isn't productive. That's one of the reasons the USSR was so pathetic - they destroyed any capacity for production and farming when they took over, resulting in a total inability to compete with the West. So it was my assumption that Putin was going to enrich himself and become even more powerful as a result of increasing Russian oil interests. A side effect might have been a better economy for everyone else. The reason I'm calling him stupid now is that even he will become weaker (or ousted, or dead) as a result of destroying his own country's economy. You can't fleece a sheep with no wool.

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« Reply #283 on: March 08, 2022, 12:36:19 PM »
FWIW, Ukraine is claiming they killed another Russian General. I didn't realize Generals got killed anymore. What was he doing so far forward at the edge of a contested city? That doesn't seem right. Of course the announcement could be propaganda designed to get other Russian generals to contemplate their life choices.

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« Reply #284 on: March 08, 2022, 12:47:49 PM »
I heard that the Russian generals have needed to be pretty far forward to keep their subordinates on task. It could also be that Russia's rear area security is terrible so even if they aren't forward, the Ukrainians can still get to them.

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« Reply #285 on: March 08, 2022, 12:49:53 PM »
I am waiting for Trump to tell his good buddy Vlad to stay strong and never give in. Don't listen to your advisors, just do what your gut tells you to do. No matter how bad it makes you look.

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Re: Ще́дрик, щедри́к, ще́дрівочка
« Reply #286 on: March 08, 2022, 01:09:44 PM »
I am waiting for Trump to tell his good buddy Vlad to stay strong and never give in. Don't listen to your advisors, just do what your gut tells you to do. No matter how bad it makes you look.

And especially never admit you were wrong! Even when your army has fallen and you're in the Hague awaiting a war crimes tribunal, make sure to repeatedly announce how you won the war!

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« Reply #287 on: March 08, 2022, 01:24:53 PM »
The Tribunal is bought and paid for by Soros and Gates so you can't trust them.  There was no invasion.  It was all fake new paid for by Dominion.

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« Reply #288 on: March 08, 2022, 01:42:31 PM »
Putin has been very successfully in getting others to live in the 'reality' that he creates. He is a master of the illusion, propaganda, disinformation, fake news and truthful hyperbole.
In that context he has been very smart. His current actions don't make any sense, I can't help but wonder if he has fallen for his own tricks. That large table thing and distance he keeps from his 'advisors'  seem very 'freudian' to me. He has cut himself off

rightleft22

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« Reply #289 on: March 08, 2022, 01:44:07 PM »
The Tribunal is bought and paid for by Soros and Gates so you can't trust them.  There was no invasion.  It was all fake new paid for by Dominion.

Thier is a increasing number of people who believe that the war in Ukraine is fake. I wonder who could be pushing that narrative.

TheDrake

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« Reply #290 on: March 08, 2022, 03:12:08 PM »
The Russians never did invade Ukraine. It was ANTIFA!

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« Reply #291 on: March 08, 2022, 03:27:18 PM »
Well it was the communist.

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« Reply #292 on: March 08, 2022, 04:38:04 PM »
The Tribunal is bought and paid for by Soros and Gates so you can't trust them.  There was no invasion.  It was all fake new paid for by Dominion.

Thier is a increasing number of people who believe that the war in Ukraine is fake. I wonder who could be pushing that narrative.

I think there are an increasing number of people who question damn near everything being pumped out of the media. The thinking ones, at least.

rightleft22

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« Reply #293 on: March 08, 2022, 06:06:37 PM »
The Tribunal is bought and paid for by Soros and Gates so you can't trust them.  There was no invasion.  It was all fake new paid for by Dominion.

Thier is a increasing number of people who believe that the war in Ukraine is fake. I wonder who could be pushing that narrative.

I think there are an increasing number of people who question damn near everything being pumped out of the media. The thinking ones, at least.

Its good to be skeptical but if that's as far as you go with regards to discernment of what is true and or more true then not then what have you to stand on? Nothing is real and and you pick and choose as you like. Only that just leaves you more agitated. So you force people to 'see' the world as you want it to be. a Foundation of Sand

Which is exactly what Putin relays on.  Eventually anything build on such a foundation must fall

TheDrake

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« Reply #294 on: March 08, 2022, 06:43:35 PM »
The Tribunal is bought and paid for by Soros and Gates so you can't trust them.  There was no invasion.  It was all fake new paid for by Dominion.

Thier is a increasing number of people who believe that the war in Ukraine is fake. I wonder who could be pushing that narrative.

I think there are an increasing number of people who question damn near everything being pumped out of the media. The thinking ones, at least.

I guess if you're Descartes you might question this level of reality. But with 2 million refugees, can anyone think that a war is faked? The major news agencies are playing make believe and they've just hired a few hundred extras to stand on train platforms? The UN is meeting to discuss a fake war, or I guess maybe you think they aren't meeting, that's just propaganda too. Of course this would be some propaganda operation, considering all these reports are corroborated by first hand tweets, youtubes, tiktoks, instagrams, and on and on.

You know who questions everything? Three year olds. Other people use some sense and question the things that are improbable, like Jewish Space Lasers.

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« Reply #295 on: March 08, 2022, 08:41:58 PM »
I figured they'd be using drones like this. I'm glad it's the good guys.

These look like they could be a nightmare though if they ever caught on with terrorists or criminals or just crazy people.

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/tech/news/ukrainians-using-stealth-drones-wipe-26413916

"It’s relatively small and light enough to be undetectable to radar and you can’t see or hear it once it’s airborne which makes it a nightmare on the battlefield," he said.

"What’s more, it can drop three bombs at a time or hit three separate targets, then return to base to be reloaded and sent back into battle within minutes."

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« Reply #296 on: March 09, 2022, 09:02:28 AM »
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The attempts came as Ukraine’s state-owned grid operator warned that the closed Chernobyl nuclear power plant has been disconnected from the nation’s power grid by Russian forces, potentially jeopardizing the cooling of nuclear fuel still stored at the site. Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba demanded a cease-fire with Russia to allow repairs as another official called the loss of contact with the International Atomic Energy Agency an “extremely dangerous situation.”

What the ever living F are they doing? Surrender or we'll make your power plant melt down?

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« Reply #297 on: March 09, 2022, 09:26:34 AM »
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The attempts came as Ukraine’s state-owned grid operator warned that the closed Chernobyl nuclear power plant has been disconnected from the nation’s power grid by Russian forces, potentially jeopardizing the cooling of nuclear fuel still stored at the site. Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba demanded a cease-fire with Russia to allow repairs as another official called the loss of contact with the International Atomic Energy Agency an “extremely dangerous situation.”

What the ever living F are they doing? Surrender or we'll make your power plant melt down?

I think its more of an F you and your country for fighting back. Now we're going to leave your country a wasteland.

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« Reply #298 on: March 09, 2022, 10:38:42 AM »
I think its more of an F you and your country for fighting back. Now we're going to leave your country a wasteland.


Sadly I think that will be how this ends. Following the Syrian game plan. What a waist and for what. Nothing.

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« Reply #299 on: March 09, 2022, 01:06:10 PM »
What a squadron of A-10 and a battalion of M1's would be able to do over there.

A-10's yes. M1's no. The ground isn't frozen like they planned for. Our heavy armor would be road bound just like theirs are. Although we should have fewer tire failures on support vehicles.