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« Reply #300 on: March 09, 2022, 01:16:16 PM »
I have to admit I'm surprised at his stupidity if this is in fact his idea. I had thought that for the past 10-15 years he was working to overcome the mid-East competition and get Russia up to snuff economically as much as possible. Why preside over a weak, beaten country when he can rule a stronger country with a better economy. I guess it just goes to show that in a way these kinds of people would rather be a big fish in a little pond, ruling the pile of rubble, than to preside over a prosperous nation and increase their power base. Maybe China is exceptional in this regard, since they seem to see the strength of the nation as being global finance rather than the individual might of the ruler.

Putin and Co were likely buying into the idea of a Pan-Slavic empire with Russia at its head. Ukraine was supposed to roll over and welcome their return to "the Slaviv Order" rather than that nasty Anglo-Saxon led one.

Expect much the same out of China soon regarding a Pan-Chinese order led by the Han Chinese, by which they mean the Communist Party of China led by Xi Jinping. If that doesn't work out for them, they go the North Korean route and become a hermit kingdom with the lands they do control.

The "other factor" for Russia is a matter of history and demographics. Their warfighting population collapses this decade, so they capture and hold their "strategic choke points" now, or fear history repeating itself with invasions from the west with no population able to resist. Sadly for them, as Afghanistan demonstrated for the US. Ukraine is going to break them, they don't have enough troops to pull off a successful occupation and hold what they're trying to take.. if the Ukrainian population had welcomed them, it would have been possible. But that's not likely to happen in the next 60 years at this point.

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« Reply #301 on: March 09, 2022, 01:17:44 PM »
Ok Blackhawk and Apache helo's.

TheDeamon

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« Reply #302 on: March 09, 2022, 01:20:22 PM »
I am waiting for Trump to tell his good buddy Vlad to stay strong and never give in. Don't listen to your advisors, just do what your gut tells you to do. No matter how bad it makes you look.

What alternate reality are you living in? You're stuck in another "really good people" trap. One would think you'd learn the first time, but then, many of you still claim it means what you want it to rather than what was said.

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« Reply #303 on: March 09, 2022, 01:22:07 PM »
The Russians never did invade Ukraine. It was ANTIFA!

Well, they did say they invaded to fight the Nazis. So that would make them Antifa by the logic of the Antifa meme warriors.

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« Reply #304 on: March 09, 2022, 01:51:04 PM »
Expect much the same out of China soon regarding a Pan-Chinese order led by the Han Chinese, by which they mean the Communist Party of China led by Xi Jinping. If that doesn't work out for them, they go the North Korean route and become a hermit kingdom with the lands they do control.

This isn't China's MO. They don't want to expand their territory, they have enough already and it's probably unwieldy. Taiwan in particular has been a blemish to them and has cost them a lot of face, so that one is a matter of honor more likely than not. They won't ever stop wanting Taiwan.

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« Reply #305 on: March 09, 2022, 03:03:31 PM »
Expect much the same out of China soon regarding a Pan-Chinese order led by the Han Chinese, by which they mean the Communist Party of China led by Xi Jinping. If that doesn't work out for them, they go the North Korean route and become a hermit kingdom with the lands they do control.

This isn't China's MO. They don't want to expand their territory, they have enough already and it's probably unwieldy. Taiwan in particular has been a blemish to them and has cost them a lot of face, so that one is a matter of honor more likely than not. They won't ever stop wanting Taiwan.

The old ways of thinking don't work and we need to stop thinking the past was so great we should try to step in the same river twice.  Loss of Face, Honor, no one cares. The good old days were not so good what's the point

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« Reply #306 on: March 09, 2022, 03:05:26 PM »
Loss of Face, Honor, no one cares. The good old days were not so good what's the point

Well, the Chinese care. I guess you could argue they should abandon their culture.

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« Reply #307 on: March 09, 2022, 03:15:04 PM »
It's a potential weak point for domestic opposition. As long as Taiwan remains independent, opponents of the current administration can argue that if they were in power, they'd have taken Taiwan by now.

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« Reply #308 on: March 09, 2022, 04:10:34 PM »
Loss of Face, Honor, no one cares. The good old days were not so good what's the point

Well, the Chinese care. I guess you could argue they should abandon their culture.

Learn better do better. The code of honor has been a excuse for a great deal of harm. And little benefit for those that have 'saved face' usually no one wins even when they win.
This is how its always been' is a poor excuses for not learning better.

This fear to question 'culture' is why honor killings is still a thing. Can't punish me its my culture.

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« Reply #309 on: March 09, 2022, 04:15:41 PM »
Seems Putin is targeting hospitals (just as happened in Syria

Probably just a culture thing :(

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« Reply #310 on: March 09, 2022, 09:07:15 PM »
It's a potential weak point for domestic opposition. As long as Taiwan remains independent, opponents of the current administration can argue that if they were in power, they'd have taken Taiwan by now.

It's worse than that by some estimates by some China watchers.

You have the "Communist Princelings" (Xi is technically a member, it's how he got power in the first place) that seem to be moving against him now in the run up to their October meeting.

Then there is the Xiang Zemin faction who already attempted to overthrow Xi back in 2014.

George Soros and his 2021 OpEd was him likely playing mouthpiece to one of those two groups, maybe both.

Then there is the Xi Jinping faction. "The Princes" seem to support a Taiwan invasion but view Xi as unfit to lead it.

With a potential 3 way power struggle in process behind closed doors, their economy on the skids, with poor prospects of outside help soon given recent events... There is a strategic economic argument to be made that China could potentially crash the Global Economy, and not just their own(as might have happened otherwise), if they invade Taiwan right now if the World tries an equally strong sanctions regime (or stronger) in response.

That Xi could use it as cover to go after rivals still stands. That Xi also had established a cult of personality to rival Mao himself over the past 10 years also points to him trying to immortalize himself by going after Taiwan. He either captures it, and removes his rivals. Or he fails, but removes his rivals before the failure is comeplete. Then follow the model from the Kim family in North Korea to hold power until his own demise. If the Kim's could retain power after failing to take South Korea and nearly losing North Korea as well, why not?
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« Reply #311 on: March 09, 2022, 09:25:01 PM »
Also on further thought about the international response to Russia in light of Ukraine. I'm starting to suspect there actually isn't much that could be done to Russia that could get China to decide to not invade Taiwan (unless they'd already decided not to)...

This is a nation that already did significant harm to their own economy by banning the use of Australian Coal after a member of the Aussie parliament offended them over Covid19. So given the Western response to Ukraine, we're a bunch of hand-wringing weaklings incapable of decisive action. (Which does describe Biden, but that's another matter)

I'm spit-balling 75/25 on China invading Taiwan by the middle of next month, but nothing starting earlier than the last week of this month. Probably would start seeing reports about a buildup of forces shortly after the Paralympics conclude, have to keep up pretensions about the games being a time for peaceful behavior/conduct after making a fuss about the whole traditional ceasefire resolution last winter. That doesn't end until the 16th. I'll be very happy if China hasn't done anything by the end of April.
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« Reply #312 on: March 11, 2022, 08:57:02 AM »
Trump still will not say anything bad about his buddy Putin.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/got-along-trump-avoids-criticizing-035957515.html

So is Putin still looking savvy and a genius?

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« Reply #313 on: March 11, 2022, 09:14:23 AM »
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So is Putin still looking savvy and a genius?

Their are different kinds of intelligence. Not sure how to define genius he is certainly a master of illusion and shaping of reality for many.

Sergey Viktorovich Lavrov latest statements about How Russia hasn't attacked Ukraine is... wow. Yet I can see many wanting to believe that and making it so. I can here Tucker Caslon now Ukraine doesn't exist its always been Russian or USSR so these are just 'operations' a family matter. Not invasion's. Perfectly reasonable :(

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« Reply #314 on: March 11, 2022, 09:28:43 AM »
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"Remember that Zelenskyy is a thug," Cawthorn said in a video obtained by WRAL News. "Remember that the Ukrainian government is incredibly corrupt and is incredibly evil and has been pushing woke ideologies."

https://www.wral.com/us-rep-madison-cawthorn-calls-zelensky-thug/20180199/

Go go crazy republican representatives.

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« Reply #315 on: March 11, 2022, 09:36:02 AM »
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So is Putin still looking savvy and a genius?

Their are different kinds of intelligence. Not sure how to define genius he is certainly a master of illusion and shaping of reality for many.

Sergey Viktorovich Lavrov latest statements about How Russia hasn't attacked Ukraine is... wow. Yet I can see many wanting to believe that and making it so. I can here Tucker Caslon now Ukraine doesn't exist its always been Russian or USSR so these are just 'operations' a family matter. Not invasion's. Perfectly reasonable :(

Communist Party of China will be taking pretty much exactly that position on Taiwan when they invade. "There is but one China, and Taiwan is a part of China. You cannot invade yourself, therefore, it is not an invasion." I've seen Wumao's make pretty much exactly that claim on just the prospect of a Chinese invasion of Taiwan.

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« Reply #316 on: March 11, 2022, 09:48:55 AM »
https://www.wral.com/us-rep-madison-cawthorn-calls-zelensky-thug/20180199/

Go go crazy republican representatives.

Isn't this the rapist con-man who flunked out of college almost immediately?

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« Reply #317 on: March 11, 2022, 10:01:34 AM »
I think that is Gaetz. This is the guy who wound up in a wheelchair when the car his buddy was driving crashed.  And now he has been caught speeding several time (more than 20 over the limit) while on an expired license. Law's don't apply to him.

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« Reply #318 on: March 11, 2022, 10:15:16 AM »
https://www.wral.com/us-rep-madison-cawthorn-calls-zelensky-thug/20180199/

Go go crazy republican representatives.

Isn't this the rapist con-man who flunked out of college almost immediately?

Hadn't heard the rape allegations but definitely the con man ones.

He also has a "great" story of how he met his (ex)wife that begins in a Russian casino.

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“It all starts in a Russian casino,” Cawthorn began. According to the 26-year-old congressman, he and some friends went on an international trip ahead of an intense reconstructive back surgery he was scheduled to undergo. Here’s where Cawthorn’s response gets interesting: “So me and a bunch of friends, we went to, we got to go over to, over to, very close to Russia. We went to Sweden and Norway. It was an incredible vacation.” Sweden and Norway are hundreds if not thousands of miles from Russia, depending on where Cawthorn and his friends were visiting in both countries.
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« Reply #319 on: March 11, 2022, 10:25:42 AM »

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« Reply #320 on: March 11, 2022, 11:14:14 AM »
https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/vancouver-recital-society-cancels-performance-by-genius-russian-pianist

That's it. I'm demanding Amazon remove the following:

- all books by Tolstoy, Nabokov, Dostoyevsky and others I haven't thought of yet.
- all music/works of Tchaikovsky, Rachmaninoff, Stravinsky and I'm sure there are many more
- all Russian nesting dolls

I'm also boycotting all NHL teams that have Russian players and demanding they permanently suspend Alex Ovechkin. To send the right message of support.

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« Reply #321 on: March 11, 2022, 12:41:53 PM »
https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/vancouver-recital-society-cancels-performance-by-genius-russian-pianist

That's it. I'm demanding Amazon remove the following:

- all books by Tolstoy, Nabokov, Dostoyevsky and others I haven't thought of yet.
- all music/works of Tchaikovsky, Rachmaninoff, Stravinsky and I'm sure there are many more
- all Russian nesting dolls

I'm also boycotting all NHL teams that have Russian players and demanding they permanently suspend Alex Ovechkin. To send the right message of support.

Go for it. Since the nuclear deterrent keeps us out of the actual fighting might as well punish Russia in everyway possible. The individual Russians who get hurt financially, tough s***, take it up with Putin for all the Ukrainians dying and having their homes and hospitals bombed out.

I agree, a lot of this is sound and fury signifying mostly nothing. Ukrainians need more javelins, stingers, rifles, and ammunition. American air support could obliterate the invasion in a few days but there is a real danger of being too successful in that campaign and having Putin lash out like a wounded and cornered animal to devastating consequences. But if people want to boycott every traveling Russian athlete and artist then go for it. It causes no harm to Ukraine. Doesn't do them much good either since Putin probably doesn't give a crap about anyone outside of his very inner circle.

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« Reply #322 on: March 11, 2022, 01:03:08 PM »
Go for it. Since the nuclear deterrent keeps us out of the actual fighting might as well punish Russia in everyway possible. The individual Russians who get hurt financially, tough s***, take it up with Putin for all the Ukrainians dying and having their homes and hospitals bombed out.

Um, I think ScottF is saying that this doesn't actually hurt Russia, but just discriminates against Russian-born people no matter where they actually live, a la Japanese internment camps.

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« Reply #323 on: March 11, 2022, 01:08:51 PM »
I wonder which echo from the chamber alerted you to this terrible situation in Vancouver. The Globe and Mail seems to have gone nuts about it. Is there a widespread cancelling of Russian artists?

Let's have a look at their statement, shall we?

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We at the VRS cannot in good conscience present a concert by any Russian artist at this moment in time unless they are prepared to speak out publicly against this war.

So yeah, I guess if Tolstoy refuses to speak out against the invasion, we'll have to ban his book.  ::)

If this cat wants to play the piano internationally, all he has to say is that the leader of his country is evil. Full stop.

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« Reply #324 on: March 11, 2022, 01:10:49 PM »
Plenty of empathy in the continuing statement:

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He is now being penalized, despite the fact that he has nothing to do with what’s going on. He is in fear of what would happen to his family, with whom he still lives in Moscow, if he speaks out. Alexander Malofeev is just one the many millions of innocent Russians who are being deeply impacted by the actions of their government. It is all so very senseless. And it breaks my heart."

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« Reply #325 on: March 11, 2022, 01:17:40 PM »
If this cat wants to play the piano internationally, all he has to say is that the leader of his country is evil. Full stop.

Uh...you mean that in order for artists to make the meager living they can already barely make they have to also become political agitators and American puppets, targeting a dictator who can kill their family? Real sensitive, man.

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« Reply #326 on: March 11, 2022, 01:36:05 PM »
Go for it. Since the nuclear deterrent keeps us out of the actual fighting might as well punish Russia in everyway possible. The individual Russians who get hurt financially, tough s***, take it up with Putin for all the Ukrainians dying and having their homes and hospitals bombed out.

Um, I think ScottF is saying that this doesn't actually hurt Russia, but just discriminates against Russian-born people no matter where they actually live, a la Japanese internment camps.

Did you miss my second part where I agreed this really has no impact on Russian policy?

The kid lives in Moscow. He's not some immigrant being punished for his motherland. Vancouver just isn't going to pay for him to fly over from Moscow for a concert. I'm sure some Canadian pianist will be happy to give a concert in his place. Small scale sanctions, not sending money to Russia. Like in most wars is the little guy who loses the most while not being part of starting or having the power to stop the war.

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« Reply #327 on: March 11, 2022, 02:08:07 PM »
If this cat wants to play the piano internationally, all he has to say is that the leader of his country is evil. Full stop.

Uh...you mean that in order for artists to make the meager living they can already barely make they have to also become political agitators and American puppets, targeting a dictator who can kill their family? Real sensitive, man.

Remember when artists defected from the Soviet Union to escape? He can do that. It's not about being a puppet, its about making a clear moral choice. He got cancelled from one (1) venue. I think he'll be able to make a living.

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« Reply #328 on: March 13, 2022, 11:37:02 AM »
Coming soon: proof of Ukraine support in order to enter restaurants or fly.

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« Reply #329 on: March 14, 2022, 11:30:13 AM »
Coming soon: proof of Ukraine support in order to enter restaurants or fly.

Possibly if a restaurant owner decides as much. But it wouldn't be the belief but rather the overt support. I could see a restaurant owner not wanting to deal with the fallout if some customer decides to wear a pro-Russia t-shirt with Putin on it.

Flying? Possible. The no fly list has been abused and misused in lots of other situations, so I could see it. I expect it would apply to particularly vocal support for Russia and spreading their propaganda. Same thing for Visa entry.

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« Reply #330 on: March 14, 2022, 12:10:40 PM »
Just note the difference between: not letting someone who is actively supporting Putin/Russia on the plane/in the private building vs. one having to show proof of support of Ukraine to access the same plane/private business.

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« Reply #331 on: March 14, 2022, 12:29:33 PM »
I think that there's a clear difference between public figures and ordinary people. I can see public figures - performers and speakers in particular, getting events cancelled if they are pro-Putin. Much more rare, but also possible as described in the original example, is being neutral.

I don't recall conservatives getting upset when Iranian artists were blocked from even coming to the US, let alone performing.

Iranian Musicians Cancelled

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Shari Rezai, an Iranian-American concert promoter, was planning on bringing two Persian jazz bands to the U.S. this summer. But the Trump Administration’s travel ban for citizens of Iran and six other countries has forced her to put those plans on hold. One of the bands is Manushan. By email, the lead singer of the group, Aida Nosrat, said she lives in France on an artists’ visa, but has Iranian citizenship, so now she cannot travel to the U.S.

At least Canada isn't demanding that Alexander Malofeev renounce his citizenship.

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« Reply #332 on: March 14, 2022, 12:36:28 PM »
Cancel culture what-about-ism. This is what we debate as the important issue concerning Ukraine
All so depressing.

We seem so determined to create what we fear then what we hope for. I can't help but wonder if at some level what we hope for isn't to create what we fear.

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« Reply #333 on: March 14, 2022, 01:59:49 PM »
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This is what we debate as the important issue concerning Ukraine

If you've got a more important issue to discuss, you're more than welcome to present one. Seems to me most of the important issues have been exhausted in this thread back in the beginning. What can/should the international community do? Can the Russians succeed, and what does success mean? What is the threat from Russia to other nations? What will be the impact on oil prices? What impact, if any might this have on any Chinese ambitions toward Taiwan? How racist is the differential treatment of Ukraine and its refugees compared to Syrian refugees, and in international response?

I don't see any new ground in the "important" topics, but maybe you do.

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« Reply #334 on: March 14, 2022, 03:02:08 PM »
Bill Maher did a piece on how everyone was projecting thier what's wrong with the "other" cause to the why of war in Ukraine . I wonder if its not for the same reasons. the important issues have been exhausted and it really doesn't make much sense. Lives will be taken for the benefit of ???? Perhaps humans really are a vires the Earth is trying to cure itself of and that we are only to happy to help. 

Don't mind me. I have lost all hope for the future. I no longer believe that even if we learned better we would try to do better. We are regressing, all the important issues exhausted, we have forgotten.

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« Reply #335 on: March 14, 2022, 03:12:42 PM »
Don't mind me. I have lost all hope for the future. I no longer believe that even if we learned better we would try to do better. We are regressing, all the important issues exhausted, we have forgotten.

The future isn't measured in decades, so don't worry. The future is not lost even if there is a negative period, even one lasting years, or even much longer. The fact of ordinary people being blinded by conflicting information is probably not at all new, just new in how quickly this is accomplished. Consider: technology always moves forward, regardless of anything else. Our fields of learning (some of them, anyhow) likewise. These persist whether or not current governments are corrupt, or the people selfish. It all pushes forward. For a sci-fi fan the question has always been whether these improvements will make life better or worse; the stupidity of timely events are only transitory.

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« Reply #336 on: March 14, 2022, 04:44:36 PM »
Don't mind me. I have lost all hope for the future. I no longer believe that even if we learned better we would try to do better. We are regressing, all the important issues exhausted, we have forgotten.
For a sci-fi fan the question has always been whether these improvements will make life better or worse; the stupidity of timely events are only transitory.

I used to associate the idea of improvement to imply better.
Perhaps that's in the eye of the beholder. I was going to say eye of the survivor but that would be associating surviving with the word better and I no longer believe that.

The earth will abide but I find no solace in that. We seem to be doing our damnedest to insure we won't be around to enjoy it. Maybe that will be the better improvement.



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« Reply #337 on: March 14, 2022, 05:17:46 PM »
The earth will abide but I find no solace in that. We seem to be doing our damnedest to insure we won't be around to enjoy it. Maybe that will be the better improvement.

If you're talking about the eradication of the species I'm not sure you realize how difficult that would be. It would be difficult even if one tried overtly to do that.

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« Reply #338 on: March 14, 2022, 05:43:27 PM »
Not eradication just making life miserable for the majority. For no better reason then because we can and thought that maybe it will be ok as long as it won't be me on the bottom. 

I keep wondering about the person who cut down the last tree on Easter Island'

Used to be a fan of Walking dead. To keep the story going the writers can't allow a 'happy ending' because their isn't one. A Freudian slip?
The Game a thrones ends where beginning, everything changed but everything the same. The useful idiots, those that survived, no better off for all the fighting, and still useful idiots for the lords that 'won'.  All a Game where the winning doesn't matter.

What's the point. Lets cut down that tree. I might be able to make a buck.
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« Reply #339 on: March 14, 2022, 07:10:45 PM »
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I keep wondering about the person who cut down the last tree on Easter Island

The last resident, to make a raft? Just like we'll probably exhaust the last of Earth's resources to brave the waters of interstellar space. Only our sculptures probably won't last.

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« Reply #340 on: March 14, 2022, 11:05:30 PM »
I keep wondering about the person who cut down the last tree on Easter Island.
So what happens if we discover the last tree(s) on the Island died to causes not related to human activity?

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« Reply #341 on: March 15, 2022, 09:20:14 AM »
I keep wondering about the person who cut down the last tree on Easter Island.
So what happens if we discover the last tree(s) on the Island died to causes not related to human activity?

Watch innocently, do nothing other then appeal to the gods?. Wait the last tree was cut down in the service of the gods, a petition that the gods plant more trees.

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« Reply #342 on: March 16, 2022, 12:11:14 PM »
Son, if you want to keep working here you must be active and vocal in your support of [$cause]. We're gonna need to hear you say it. And a ribbon or t-shirt would also be nice touch.

I, for one, would like my employer to know that I fully support $cause[1] and have added a graphic to my twitter account to prove it. Again, I want to be on the record: $cause[1] has my full and active support.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/russia-s-daniil-medvedev-faces-wimbledon-ban-unless-he-distances-himself-from-putin-9h6hfxxrm




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« Reply #343 on: March 16, 2022, 01:08:43 PM »
Son, if you want to keep working here you must be active and vocal in your support of [$cause]. We're gonna need to hear you say it. And a ribbon or t-shirt would also be nice touch.

I, for one, would like my employer to know that I fully support $cause[1] and have added a graphic to my twitter account to prove it. Again, I want to be on the record: $cause[1] has my full and active support.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/russia-s-daniil-medvedev-faces-wimbledon-ban-unless-he-distances-himself-from-putin-9h6hfxxrm

Are we really going to shed tears for Russian athletes who are still Russian nationals? Giant shrug, no Wimbledon prize tax money for the Russian war machine. When did American right become so pro Russia? Sanctioning Russia and Russians isn't some slippery slope to not speaking out against any evil becoming sanctionable for native citizens.

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« Reply #344 on: March 16, 2022, 02:44:01 PM »
Son, if you want to keep working here you must be active and vocal in your support of [$cause]. We're gonna need to hear you say it. And a ribbon or t-shirt would also be nice touch.

I, for one, would like my employer to know that I fully support $cause[1] and have added a graphic to my twitter account to prove it. Again, I want to be on the record: $cause[1] has my full and active support.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/russia-s-daniil-medvedev-faces-wimbledon-ban-unless-he-distances-himself-from-putin-9h6hfxxrm

Are we really going to shed tears for Russian athletes who are still Russian nationals? Giant shrug, no Wimbledon prize tax money for the Russian war machine. When did American right become so pro Russia? Sanctioning Russia and Russians isn't some slippery slope to not speaking out against any evil becoming sanctionable for native citizens.

Yes, let's definitely turn major sporting events - or better yet, all entertainment - into political rallies where you must swear fealty to the right regimes in order to participate. Maybe they should hand out anti-Russia armbands to wear as well, just to make sure it's clear who has not properly distanced themselves from bad guys. I think we can go further than this, though: why not include local politicians. For instance during Iraq 2.0 we could have instituted a policy in the U.S. Open requiring all athletes to attest that they are not supporters of Bush 43. And during Obama's presidency we could have done the same, requiring entertainers at Madison Square Garden to sign an oath promising they do not support Obama and his war in Libya or the drone attacks. We can go on and on.

Yes, it definitely seems right to make sure athletes and other celebrities are on the right side of public opinion before they can be allowed to compete.

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« Reply #345 on: March 16, 2022, 03:11:30 PM »
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Yes, let's definitely turn major sporting events - or better yet, all entertainment - into political rallies where you must swear fealty to the right regimes in order to participate. Maybe they should hand out anti-Russia armbands to wear as well, just to make sure it's clear who has not properly distanced themselves from bad guys. I think we can go further than this, though: why not include local politicians. For instance during Iraq 2.0 we could have instituted a policy in the U.S. Open requiring all athletes to attest that they are not supporters of Bush 43. And during Obama's presidency we could have done the same, requiring entertainers at Madison Square Garden to sign an oath promising they do not support Obama and his war in Libya or the drone attacks. We can go on and on.

Yes, it definitely seems right to make sure athletes and other celebrities are on the right side of public opinion before they can be allowed to compete.

This is not domestic political politics. This is protesting and sanctioning the largest invasion of a peaceful democracy since WW2. I just don't see the slippery slope being at all applicable here. Sanctioning Russians for Russian aggression isn't just your average political disagreement. Does Medvedev deserve it? Not really, sucks to be from a country invading and destroying your neighbors while threatening the rest of the world with nukes if they intervein. Will it significantly impact Russian policy? Probably not. Do actions like this help cut through a little bit of the Russian domestic propaganda? Maybe, the Russian media has to explain why Medvedev isn't allowed to play while other Russian stars like Rublev are.

And I also don't take silence from Medvedev to mean he supports Putin, just that he fears consequences for himself or his family if he says anything. I do think Wimbledon (or the UK) is putting him in a no win situation. But his options are to skip a few tennis tournaments, risk speaking out against Putin and staying in Russia, or getting his family out of Russia and requesting asylum somewhere.

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« Reply #346 on: March 16, 2022, 03:13:49 PM »
When did American right become so pro Russia?

Right on cue! Those who disagree with forcing public displays of political support as a requirement for employment must be pro-Russia!

Your McCarthy impression is spot on. There could be many "parlour Bolsheviks" lurking in the sports and entertainment world. We should ferret them out ASAP. Especially those communist sympathizers on the American right!

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« Reply #347 on: March 16, 2022, 03:19:14 PM »
This is protesting and sanctioning the largest invasion of a peaceful democracy since WW2.

Your employer telling you that you can't work unless you publicly endorse a particular party line is not protesting.

And for the record, I don't care what the cause is. Forcing people to pledge political allegiance in order to do a non-political job is stupid and evil.

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« Reply #348 on: March 16, 2022, 03:22:27 PM »
When did American right become so pro Russia?

Right on cue! Those who disagree with forcing public displays of political support as a requirement for employment must be pro-Russia!

Your McCarthy impression is spot on. There could be many "parlour Bolsheviks" lurking in the sports and entertainment world. We should ferret them out ASAP. Especially those communist sympathizers on the American right!


Nice strawman, the only people being sanctioned are Russian nationals living in Russia. What I don't understand is why the American right is in an outrage over Russians being sanctioned for Russian actions.

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« Reply #349 on: March 16, 2022, 03:30:29 PM »
This is protesting and sanctioning the largest invasion of a peaceful democracy since WW2.

Your employer telling you that you can't work unless you publicly endorse a particular party line is not protesting.

And for the record, I don't care what the cause is. Forcing people to pledge political allegiance in order to do a non-political job is stupid and evil.

Stupid and evil is shelling maternity hospitals. Telling Russians who won't call that evil that they can't enter your country isn't some affront to civil liberties.

Let me know when these sanctions start being applied to anyone not residing in Russia.