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NobleHunter

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« Reply #50 on: February 09, 2022, 12:02:16 AM »
My understanding is that dissolution of parliament is a fairly standard event in many parliamentary systems? It simply means new elections are to be held immediately.

While it is technically possible for the Governor General to dissolve Parliament whenever but for a standard event, they can only do so under fairly specific rules and conditions. For a non-standard event, it's up to the Prime Minister and the exact limits of the PM's power in this regard hasn't been tested. For the Governor General to dissolve Parliament outside of the accepted scenarios would be the same as Pence granting the election to Trump. It may sound like the GG has discretionary power over Parliament but it's just polite phrasing. Especially in the last couple of decades, it's been established that the GG does what the PM tells them to.

rightleft22

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« Reply #51 on: February 09, 2022, 12:05:57 PM »
That would be a good system
A minority don't like something the Government does forces the Government to fall and call a election. The majority reelect said party to form Government... The minority don't like the results and force the Government to fall....

'Protestors' playing the role of useful idiots wont see anything wrong with that. 

TheDrake

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« Reply #52 on: February 09, 2022, 12:14:59 PM »
They just had an election four months ago. But now that we've had our blockade, its going to come out so different!

They are also asking the GG to fire Trudeau.

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It’s useless for protesters to be “calling Rideau Hall or pressuring senators to do something, that’s not how things work,” he added. “It’s a democratic system, and neither the senate nor the Governor General are elected, so they don’t have the democratic legitimacy” to dissolve government.

This week, National Post called Rideau Hall’s general line. What would normally be a few seconds of waiting to reach an employee instead turned into 25 minutes of waiting on hold before someone picked up the phone.

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Lloyd Perna

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« Reply #53 on: February 09, 2022, 01:32:14 PM »
https://youtu.be/Ea-7RKpRNIk

78 year old man wrestled to the ground and arrested for honking his horn in support of the Freedom Convoy.

rightleft22

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« Reply #54 on: February 09, 2022, 03:13:48 PM »
https://youtu.be/Ea-7RKpRNIk

78 year old man wrestled to the ground and arrested for honking his horn in support of the Freedom Convoy.

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Wayward Son

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« Reply #55 on: February 09, 2022, 03:23:41 PM »
Falling on one knee is hardly "wrestled to the ground."  The old guy failed to show ID (driver's license?) and they arrested and handcuffed him, with some jerk calling out silly stuff like "communism" and "freedom" and "you don't have to do that" (cooperate with the police).  For a police arrest, this was pretty tame.

Nobody was shot seven times at point-blank range, nor held on the ground with a knee to his neck until he was dead.  You need something more dramatic than that for today's audience. ;)  Actually, I'm surprised they didn't arrest the guy with the cell phone.  They would have done that in America!  >:(  (Recording a police arrest is illegal in some parts these days, and tolerated in most.)

As I understand, honking your horn in Ottawa is illegal right now, and not cooperating with the police has always been grounds for arrest. :)  Don't tell me you're becoming a BLM supporter, Lloyd.  ;D
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TheDrake

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« Reply #56 on: February 09, 2022, 03:29:24 PM »
https://youtu.be/Ea-7RKpRNIk

78 year old man wrestled to the ground and arrested for honking his horn in support of the Freedom Convoy.

If the guy shooting the video hadn't been interjecting himself and escalating the situation, the driver would have just complied. He was about to when camera jerk gives him really bad advice.

Lloyd Perna

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« Reply #57 on: February 09, 2022, 08:07:43 PM »
https://youtu.be/Ea-7RKpRNIk

78 year old man wrestled to the ground and arrested for honking his horn in support of the Freedom Convoy.

If the guy shooting the video hadn't been interjecting himself and escalating the situation, the driver would have just complied. He was about to when camera jerk gives him really bad advice.

Oh, now you say people should just comply with the police.  If that man was black you would be singing a different tune.

Lloyd Perna

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« Reply #58 on: February 09, 2022, 08:08:43 PM »
Falling on one knee is hardly "wrestled to the ground."  The old guy failed to show ID (driver's license?) and they arrested and handcuffed him, with some jerk calling out silly stuff like "communism" and "freedom" and "you don't have to do that" (cooperate with the police).  For a police arrest, this was pretty tame.

Nobody was shot seven times at point-blank range, nor held on the ground with a knee to his neck until he was dead.  You need something more dramatic than that for today's audience. ;)  Actually, I'm surprised they didn't arrest the guy with the cell phone.  They would have done that in America!  >:(  (Recording a police arrest is illegal in some parts these days, and tolerated in most.)

As I understand, honking your horn in Ottawa is illegal right now, and not cooperating with the police has always been grounds for arrest. :)  Don't tell me you're becoming a BLM supporter, Lloyd.  ;D

Did George Floyd cooperate with the police?

TheDrake

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« Reply #59 on: February 09, 2022, 11:44:50 PM »
https://youtu.be/Ea-7RKpRNIk

78 year old man wrestled to the ground and arrested for honking his horn in support of the Freedom Convoy.

If the guy shooting the video hadn't been interjecting himself and escalating the situation, the driver would have just complied. He was about to when camera jerk gives him really bad advice.

Oh, now you say people should just comply with the police.  If that man was black you would be singing a different tune.

No, I do say comply. I never recommend fighting police. I don't justify unnecessary violence and murder over it by police. If this man had been put in a chokehold, or had his head slammed against the pavement on purpose, then I would sing the same tune for this guy. If somebody with a camera had been egging Floyd on to fight the police, I'd call that person a dbag as well.

Wayward Son

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« Reply #60 on: February 10, 2022, 10:57:49 AM »
Falling on one knee is hardly "wrestled to the ground."  The old guy failed to show ID (driver's license?) and they arrested and handcuffed him, with some jerk calling out silly stuff like "communism" and "freedom" and "you don't have to do that" (cooperate with the police).  For a police arrest, this was pretty tame.

Nobody was shot seven times at point-blank range, nor held on the ground with a knee to his neck until he was dead.  You need something more dramatic than that for today's audience. ;)  Actually, I'm surprised they didn't arrest the guy with the cell phone.  They would have done that in America!  >:(  (Recording a police arrest is illegal in some parts these days, and tolerated in most.)

As I understand, honking your horn in Ottawa is illegal right now, and not cooperating with the police has always been grounds for arrest. :)  Don't tell me you're becoming a BLM supporter, Lloyd.  ;D

Did George Floyd cooperate with the police?

From what I've read, at first he did, then he didn't, then they killed him.

How does this relate to an old man stumbling for a second before being handcuffed?  Other than the old man's incident being a minor scuffle that wouldn't even raise the eyebrows of most people, and the other being an incident where the arrested man was killed by the police officer and the officer was found guilty of murder and manslaughter.  ???

Lloyd Perna

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« Reply #61 on: February 10, 2022, 12:34:32 PM »
You are suggesting this assault on the old man is his fault because he didn't comply.
When Floyd was killed did you ever defend the Police by suggesting that he should have complied? Because if he had complied he certainly wouldn't be dead.

Mynnion

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« Reply #62 on: February 10, 2022, 01:07:09 PM »
I watched the video and I didn't see any kind of "assault."  The restraint seemed fairly straight forward.  I think it's stupid that honking the horn escalated to an arrest however calling the arrest violent is a huge stretch.  In this case the officer showed restraint and acted in an appropriate manner.  Gorge Floyd is dead.  If you fail to see the difference between the two cases..........

TheDrake

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« Reply #63 on: February 10, 2022, 01:29:23 PM »
You are suggesting this assault on the old man is his fault because he didn't comply.
When Floyd was killed did you ever defend the Police by suggesting that he should have complied? Because if he had complied he certainly wouldn't be dead.

You're not paying attention. Let me try again. I would have defended the police if they cuffed Floyd - which they did. and then propped him up - or even if they hobbled his legs together to keep him from kicking. Put a hood on his head to keep him from spitting. Subduing a suspect is a proper part of the job. Where I stopped defending them is when one guy knelt on someone no longer resisting for many minutes while a bunch of other cops watched Floyd die. It's the same reason it wasn't okay to beat the crap out of Rodney King, despite the fact that he had put lives at risk with his flight from the cops just minutes before. Once your subject is in custody, you don't get to hurt them gratuitously. That's corporal punishment and if you aren't aware, it is illegal. It doesn't matter if they had it coming to them or if they are bad people. It also doesn't matter if someone is a nice person. if you fight a cop over giving a citation, you're going to get subdued.

Wayward Son

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« Reply #64 on: February 10, 2022, 01:42:41 PM »
You are suggesting this assault on the old man is his fault because he didn't comply.
When Floyd was killed did you ever defend the Police by suggesting that he should have complied? Because if he had complied he certainly wouldn't be dead.

As Mynnion said, this wasn't an assault.  The policeman grabbed his arm and twisted it back.  The old man stumbled a bit onto one knee.  The policeman pulled him up, put him against the SUV, and handcuffed him.  He used a reasonable amount of force to arrest him, certainly not much more than was necessary to handcuff him.  And, as a police officer, he has a right to arrest him, assuming the courts agree with the officer's reasons.

And is there any comparison to a man slowly choked to death?  Seriously, exactly what kind of resisting arrest would warrant a slow death?  Would you feel the police were justified if your son resisted like George did, and they suffocated him to death?  He would have to have sent at least one officer to the hospital with serious injuries, and still be a threat to the remaining ones, before I would consider it to be anywhere near defensible. 

TheDrake

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« Reply #65 on: February 14, 2022, 01:06:43 PM »
Here is an example for Trudeau to follow or avoid.

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Mayor Jim Watson said Freedom Convoy organizers agreed to the city's demands to confine their protests to a concentrated area around Parliament Hill.

In exchange, Watson said he would be willing to meet with demonstrators and hear out their complaints if trucks and other vehicles linked to the protests are out of residential neighborhoods by noon Monday.

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A written response from Convoy board president Tamara Lich seemed to indicate the truckers would comply and begin moving to new locations tomorrow.

Lich said organizers will spend the next 24 hours "workin hard, ...to get buy-in from the truckers" who flooded the streets of Ottawa with their trucks.

Much like Occupy Wall Street, how do you meet with and negotiate with an unstructured movement with no leadership?

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There was confusion on social media Sunday evening after Lich and other organizers of the "Freedom Convoy" demonstration said there was "no deal."

"The media lies to their viewers. No 'deal' has been made," Lich said on Twitter. "End the mandates, end the passports. That is why we are here."

BJ Dichter also said there was no deal, "The federal government has not yet lifted its mandates and passports."

However, Lich confirmed there is a deal with the mayor to move trucks out of residential neighbourhoods in response to a tweet from CTV News Ottawa reporter Colton Praill.  Lich says truckers are not leaving Ottawa and the Parliamentary Precinct until all federal mandates are dropped.

"@JimWatsonOttawa is not in charge of FEDERAL mandates as my comment clearly indicates. Plans to relocate trucks out of residential areas as agreed to will go ahead."

When asked about the "no deal" comments from organizers earlier Sunday evening, the Mayor's Office told Newstalk 580 CFRA that, "The Mayor’s office has had no communication with the group that would suggest such a development."