Trump looses again

[yossarian22c]

Currently, the upside to Trump might be that he'll block DeSantis.

Blocking DeSantis is good. But then again is there anyone in the Republican party that is actually any better now? The Republican party base is largely a mob that got pointed in a direction and none of their leaders actually know how to control them or bring them back to reality. See all the Fox behind the scenes texts.

[msquared]

Well one of Trumps main lawyers, Jenna Ellis, admits that she made misrepresentations at least 10 times

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-2020-lawyer-admits-misrepresenting-045941456.html

I wonder how the Trumpist on the site will spin this as a good thing?

[yossarian22c]

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/06/us/politics/trump-lawyer-ethics-jan-6.html

While represented by that lawyer, Stefan Passantino, Ms. Hutchinson was less forthcoming to the committee. But after hiring a different lawyer, she provided more damaging details about Mr. Trump and said that Mr. Passantino had pressured her to remain loyal and protect the former president.

Now, several dozen prominent legal figures, including past presidents of the American Bar Association and the District of Columbia Bar, are seeking to revoke Mr. Passantino’s license to practice law. The move reflects intensifying scrutiny over whether Mr. Passantino, a former Trump White House ethics lawyer whose legal fees were covered by Mr. Trump’s political action committee, violated his own professional duty, along with a host of other ethical requirements, by putting the interests of a third party over that of his client.

In a 22-page complaint filed on Monday with D.C.’s Board on Professional Responsibility, prominent lawyers accused Mr. Passantino of the crimes of subornation of perjury, obstruction of justice, witness tampering and bribery.

More Trump lawyers getting sanctioned and disbarred.

[msquared]

Another number 1 for Trump. The most lawyers sanctioned/censured/fined/disbarred of any President.  The best and the most.

[msquared]

Well the "Grab them by the pussy" tape can be played at the E.Jean Carroll case.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-access-hollywood-tape-played-155446137.html

[msquared]

Trump is getting called out for his trial delays, again.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-gets-caught-trying-play-035436769.html

[msquared]

Rino and Never Trumper Mike Pences tells the truth about Trump and Jan 6.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/pence-says-trump-endangered-family-032241007.html

How could Pence, who was made by Trump, was nothing before Trump picked him to be his VP, betray Trump like this?

[TheDrake]

Pence held office for sixteen years, as a US congressman and governor. I wouldn't exactly call him "nothing before Trump". Compare to Harris, 4 years in the senate.

[msquared]

No, you don't understand. No one was anything before Trump.  He is the end all and be all of the Trumpist Party. With out him it does not exist and no one else has any objective reality with out him and his approval. That is why they should all owe him their undying loyalty for all time in all things.

[TheDrake]

No, you don't understand. No one was anything before Trump.  He is the end all and be all of the Trumpist Party. With out him it does not exist and no one else has any objective reality with out him and his approval. That is why they should all owe him their undying loyalty for all time in all things.

I forgot you were in character. I mean we knew to expect pence to be a traitor,  he already was a traitor on January 6.

[msquared]

Trump Media may have been partially financed by allys of Putin.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/federal-investigators-examined-trump-media-060004710.html

[TheDrake]

I'd really like to write up all the shady stuff that trump did, attribute it to various Democrats, and listen to the trumpian flock describe what they really think of his actions.

[rightleft22]

I'd really like to write up all the shady stuff that trump did, attribute it to various Democrats, and listen to the trumpian flock describe what they really think of his actions.

Pretty sure many wouldn't notice their hypocrisy of holding others to standards of 'law and order' that they refuse to apply to their Master.

Their argument hasn't changed. Laws can't be applied to Trump as long as they can find any example anywhere were someone else got away with doing anything remotely similar.
Its quite the legal reasoning they wish to use to apply to fix a system they view as broken. forgetting the maxim The End is in the Beginning. 

[msquared]

So Trump thinks he will be arrested on Tuesday and is asking for his followers to protest. We all know how his last call for protest ended.  No mention in his call for peaceful protests.

[NobleHunter]

Peaceful protests would do nothing to prevent his arrest.

[msquared]

Waiting to see how Trump handles this. Lets see if he calls for actual violence (which I do not think he will do) or if he uses weasle language to inspire violence and then claims innnocence.

[TheDrake]

We need to fight against is already ambiguous enough.

[msquared]

Trump has a lot of supporters who are upset.

In China.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-supporters-china-arms-raging-171503590.html

[msquared]

Trump talks about illegal leaks that he is going to be arrested on Tuesday, but he is the only one talking about the arrest.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/kevin-mccarthy-maga-republicans-rally-193041649.html

Other MAGA politicians are of course up in arms about due process.

This is a whole lot like the documents case. Almost no one would have heard about the raid if Trump had not screamed so loudly about it.

[msquared]

And the Grift continues.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-family-failed-disclose-more-184417258.html

Trump and family do not seem to get that gifts from foreign people are, by law, treated as gifts to our govenment and not to them personally.

Of course Trump has never even heard of that idea. The idea of doing something selfless is not in his dictionary. 

[msquared]

So how does Trump want his followers to take the country back?  I mean the next election cycle is still more than a year away. What other options can he have them persue?  He has tried legal options and those have all failed due to having no standing or more commonly, no evidence.  It does not sound like he wants to wait until the next election.  It sure sounds like his only other option is to call for violence.

So to the Trumpist on the site. Are you willing to commit violence in Trumps behalf? Will you go to Mar A Lago and blockade the place so that Trump can not be taken to NY?  Will you attack Law Enforcement just doing their job? Will you Back the Blue? Will you attack the AG in NY state and NY city and GA and Washington?  How far will you go?

[msquared]

Well Trump wanted to push back the fraud trial in NY by 6 months.

The judge says Nope.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-loses-bid-delay-october-172815470.html

[msquared]

Well Meadows and other top Trump aides have to testify before the Grand Jury.

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/meadows-other-top-trump-aides-160014765.html


Trump keeps claiming the same Privildege and keeps gettting told by the Courts that he has it all wrong.

[msquared]

Well a judge has rejected Trumps claim of executive privildge for Pence.

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/judge-rejects-trumps-privilege-claims-171323019.html

[TheDrake]

a Trump spokesperson said in a statement to ABC News.

"There is no factual or legal basis or substance to any case against President Trump," the statement said. "The deranged Democrats and their comrades in the mainstream media are corrupting the legal process and weaponizing the justice system in order to manipulate and influence an election in which President Trump is dominating all across the board."

Remember when DJT masqueraded as his own publicist?

[TheDrake]

.But when the indictment came, Trump and his advisers were caught off guard.
“It was a surprise to everybody,” said David Urban, a longtime Trump adviser who is not working on his 2024 presidential campaign.
Some of his lawyers had been preparing to take a few days off, not expecting any movement for several weeks, said two people familiar with the matter who, like many in Trump’s orbit, spoke on the condition of anonymity to candidly share details of private discussions. Some Trump aides — including adviser Boris Epshteyn, who is taking a leading role on Trump’s legal team — had even begun telling the former president that he would not be indicted at all, people familiar with the comments said.

Wot? It's hard to get good advice when you get your lawyers disbarred or discredited and surround yourself with the last few who will tell you what you want to hear.

[rightleft22]

.But when the indictment came, Trump and his advisers were caught off guard.
“It was a surprise to everybody,” said David Urban, a longtime Trump adviser who is not working on his 2024 presidential campaign.
Some of his lawyers had been preparing to take a few days off, not expecting any movement for several weeks, said two people familiar with the matter who, like many in Trump’s orbit, spoke on the condition of anonymity to candidly share details of private discussions. Some Trump aides — including adviser Boris Epshteyn, who is taking a leading role on Trump’s legal team — had even begun telling the former president that he would not be indicted at all, people familiar with the comments said.

Wot? It's hard to get good advice when you get your lawyers disbarred or discredited and surround yourself with the last few who will tell you what you want to hear.

I don't think anyone should take anything that comes out of the Trump camp as being reliable - fool me once and all that.
Sadly to many are willing to play the fool. Its all become entertainment

[msquared]

I am just waiting to hear all of the charges.  It sounds like they have around 30 charges  they are bringing. That is a lot more than I would have thought it would be.

[msquared]

Well Trump loses again trying to block his aides from having to testify in the Jan 6 investigation.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/appeals-court-rejects-trumps-bid-170510899.html

Maybe he is crazy.  He keeps trotting out the same legal theories that have been rejected time and time again by the courts.

He is not the President. He can not claim privildge since he is not the President. And even if he could claim it, it would be for request from Congress, not the DOJ, which is a part of the Executive Branch.

Maybe he has surrounded himself with such bad lawyers that he is going to try and use the ineffective defense defense.

It was a 3-0 decsion and one of the judges was appointed by Trump.

[yossarian22c]

Well Trump loses again trying to block his aides from having to testify in the Jan 6 investigation.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/appeals-court-rejects-trumps-bid-170510899.html

Maybe he is crazy.  He keeps trotting out the same legal theories that have been rejected time and time again by the courts.

He is not the President. He can not claim privildge since he is not the President. And even if he could claim it, it would be for request from Congress, not the DOJ, which is a part of the Executive Branch.

Maybe he has surrounded himself with such bad lawyers that he is going to try and use the ineffective defense defense.

It was a 3-0 decsion and one of the judges was appointed by Trump.

It's a delay tactic. Just delay and hope to push the investigations into the primary campaign season that makes actions by DOJ more fraught.

[msquared]

For an innocent man who should want to prove that in a court of law, he sure seems to spend a whole lot of effort at delaying?  I wonder why? What does he have to hide?

[Tom]

Running out the clock and/or his opponents' purse has always been his primary legal strategy, going back to the '80s. 

[wmLambert]

Running out the clock and/or his opponents' purse has always been his primary legal strategy, going back to the '80s.

Hypocritical statement. Trump has been attacked and sued more than anyone you can name. His attorneys have won almost all suits - yet the MSM has gone after him since he came down the golden escalator as a Republican. Until then, he was their golden boy, because they were hoping he would run as a Democrat. You never see the MSM report when the losers admit to lying and confirm that Trump was right - hoping the courts will be lenient to them.

Tweet from Eric Trump
BREAKING!!! the 9th Circuit just awarded Trump $121,962.56 in attorney fees from Stormy Daniels.  Order just released. This in addition to the roughly $500k she already owes him.
3:00 PM · Apr 4, 2023  6M Views

The result is Trump getting richer, while DA Braggs has cost Manhatten millions of dollars just for the security requirements for the arraignment. Fox News showed the clips from CNN, MSNBC, ABC and other complicit, left-leaning news programs berating Bragg for his "ill-advised" idiocy.

[wmLambert]

Running out the clock and/or his opponents' purse has always been his primary legal strategy, going back to the '80s.

Total hypocrisy. Trump has been the victim of more bogus lawsuits than any one else you can name - and has come out as a winner who was forced to hire expensive defense attorneys. All those attorneys held many different trial philosophies, but all tailored for the individual suits. Of course. I don't remember you guys noticing Hillary's tendency to run out the clock. How long has the DOJ had Hunter's laptop and never brought any charges because of serious obvious crimes? And that is with eyewitness whistleblowers with corroborating testimony.

[Tom]

I don't know that repeating the same baseless drivel really makes it more compelling, William.

[yossarian22c]

Running out the clock and/or his opponents' purse has always been his primary legal strategy, going back to the '80s.

Total hypocrisy. Trump has been the victim of more bogus lawsuits than any one else you can name - and has come out as a winner who was forced to hire expensive defense attorneys.
...

How did Trump's civil cases with the New York AG go? What happened to Trump charity and the Trump org in those cases? How did Trump plead to every question in those cases?

[yossarian22c]

I don't know that repeating the same baseless drivel really makes it more compelling, William.

It works for Fox News.

[msquared]

Or Trump University?

[rightleft22]

Total hypocrisy. Trump has been the victim of more bogus lawsuits than any one else you can name

Any pre-politician Trump investigation clearly shows that Trump was famous for using the Law as a hammer to bully his opponents (those he is/was in business with have a high probably as being viewed as opponents). For crying out loud Trump is openly proud of that fact. That you remain blind boggles the mind. Anyone doing business with Trump has a 60/40 chance of being screwed and yet for you he is a god that has never done any wrong. Trump demands loyalty but does not give it and quite frankly does not deserve your trust. I wonder if your devotion isn't so much related to the man as it is to the notion of how much those not in your tribe dislike him? So much so that your willing to cut out your eyes to spite your own values. 

Donald Trump and his businesses were involved in 3,500 legal cases in U.S. federal and state courts during the previous three decades, an unprecedented number for a U.S. presidential candidate. Of the 3,500 suits, Trump or one of his companies were plaintiffs in 1,900; defendants in 1,450; and bankruptcy, third party, or other in 150.[1] Trump was named in at least 169 suits in federal court.[2] In the 1,300 cases where the record establishes the outcome, Trump settled 175 times, lost 38, won 450, and had another 137 cases end with some other outcome. In the other 500 cases, the cases were dismissed.[1]

[wmLambert]

...Any pre-politician Trump investigation clearly shows that Trump was famous for using the Law as a hammer to bully his opponents (those he is/was in business with have a high probably as being viewed as opponents). For crying out loud Trump is openly proud of that fact. That you remain blind boggles the mind. Anyone doing business with Trump has a 60/40 chance of being screwed and yet for you he is a god that has never done any wrong. Trump demands loyalty but does not give it and quite frankly does not deserve your trust. I wonder if your devotion isn't so much related to the man as it is to the notion of how much those not in your tribe dislike him? So much so that your willing to cut out your eyes to spite your own values. ...

As an owner and construction manager, Trump did see many lawsuits. That is usually because construction law mandates adhering to the rules. But it is a two-way street. When I was working in Vegas with a construction management company, Vegas required Project Coordinator, Estimators, and Supers to attend Construction Law classes where we went over the legal niceties to expect. The majority of lawsuits come from subs who try to scam owners or builders. When I put out bids to hire subs, the plans detail all the work that is needed and approved. During construction, anything that needs to be done that is outside of the plans must be signed off on a change order. I've seen electrical subs that come in late and tossed light bulbs from fixtures onto a cleaned concrete floor to break expecting the demo subs to clean up after them, even after demo is over. Construction law says the electricians must clean up after themselves when they cause an expensive problem like this. The problem is that the cleanup by electricians is not in the contract and there is no change order - so it ends in a lawsuit that the construction company wins.

I doubt there were 3,500 suits that were much different than just subs trying to CYA so their workers don't realize therm not getting paid is on the sub, not the owner.

[TheDrake]

I wonder what kind of mistreatment you gave them that made them want to smash spite bulbs on the ground.

[msquared]

Jack Smith may also go after Trump for fraud.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/jan-6-investigators-think-trump-234212517.html

Trump's grift has been obvious since day 1. For a billoinaire, he sure wants other peoples money.

[Pete at Home]

Jack Smith may also go after Trump for fraud.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/jan-6-investigators-think-trump-234212517.html

Trump's grift has been obvious since day 1. For a billoinaire, he sure wants other peoples money.

Now that you’ve bring that up, yeah, I think everybody in the federal government and it’s made more than $1 million should very carefully account for where every dime came from.

How much did Trump make again, since winning office in 2016?

Let’s give ever gorram one alive an accounting. We have sure hired enough IRS agents to do the job.

Clinton, Obama, ever member of Congress, should get the same scrutiny. Hey, didn’t somebody by AOC’s mom a house? 😂 Let’s make it all public.

Let the stories be told
Let them say what they want
Let the photos be old
Let them show what they want
Let them leave you up in the air
Let them brush your rock and roll hair
Let the good times roll

[msquared]

Trump got around $200 million.

And we do not have enough IRS agents to give very US citizen an accounting. Not even close.

I have no problem with making it all public. Trump is the one who wants to keep it private.
Trump is making money off lies  and preying on gullible people and making them distrust the American system. With no evidence of fraud.

Every court case, every audit has shown the same thing. No wide scale fraud.

But you do not believe it, so no matter what evidence is shown, you will not accept it. I mean you want evidence from a non goverment source. Well Cyber ninjas was not a government source, (even though they were paid for by the government) and they still came back saying no fraud.

You do not trust the government. So you do not trust any info they put out.

[Tom]

We have sure hired enough IRS agents to do the job.

A quibble: we have not. The IRS is badly, badly understaffed, especially if we intend to have them actually investigating the books of the wealthy and powerful. This is by design.

[TheDrake]

Some rich tax cheats are probably very worried about the application of AI to perform audits. Identifying patterns that are common to cheaters will have cascading effects. Let us watch for laws preventing the government from deploying AI in the IRS. I'm sure it is being lobbied now. Of course, the US government hasn't reached the technological level of Microsoft Outlook, so I'm probably fantasizing.

[yossarian22c]

Some rich tax cheats are probably very worried about the application of AI to perform audits. Identifying patterns that are common to cheaters will have cascading effects. Let us watch for laws preventing the government from deploying AI in the IRS. I'm sure it is being lobbied now. Of course, the US government hasn't reached the technological level of Microsoft Outlook, so I'm probably fantasizing.

They already passed laws disallowing people to efile directly through the IRS. Odds congress approves any long term technological improvements their technology are somewhere around 0.

[NobleHunter]

Audit the entire 1% and the political class. Threaten me with a good time, why don't you?

[Pete at Home]

. And we do not have enough IRS agents to give very US citizen an accounting.

Who said otherwise?

I said audit, every man and woman in the federal government (say during the last 40) that made over a million dollars during any of those years.

Then audit every taxable person or entity within our grasp that grossed over 10 million years during COVID.

If we missed them, then everyone that visited Epstein’s island.

We clearly have enough IRS agents for that after Biden’s big hiring spree.

[msquared]

You said it. 

We have sure hired enough IRS agents to do the job.

No we have not hired enough. First, they have not been hired yet. Second, a majority of those hired will just be replacing people that will be retiring in the next 10 years.

And even then they will most likely be understaffed.  How long do you think it takes to do an audit?