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« Reply #300 on: August 18, 2022, 09:02:46 AM »
Does Desantis want Jones's support?

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« Reply #301 on: August 18, 2022, 09:07:40 AM »
I like DeSantis though and think he'd have a better chance of winning the Presidency than Trump. I didn't like DeSantis being anti-mask and telling some students to take off their masks, but you can't have everything you want in a guy and Biden did worse when just before delta hit he said if you're vaccinated you wouldn't spread the virus so you could safely take off your mask so there aren't really any winners on that issue. I still support Trump though but realistically DeSantis has the better shot just because of baggage. If Trump could get behind DeSantis that would probably be best. Maybe Trump is his VP. I know it's farfetched that Trump would play second fiddle but it would be the best chance to win. And Trump, depending on his health, would still be able to run again for President eight years after that as DeSantis finishes his second term, first Hispanic President and then the oldest President ever.

I doubt any major contenders want Jones's support. He probably just did Trump a big favor.

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« Reply #302 on: August 18, 2022, 09:13:01 AM »
I like DeSantis though and think he'd have a better chance of winning the Presidency than Trump. I didn't like DeSantis being anti-mask and telling some students to take off their masks, but you can't have everything you want in a guy and Biden did worse when just before delta hit he said if you're vaccinated you wouldn't spread the virus so you could safely take off your mask so there aren't really any winners on that issue.

The CDC's statement was based on the science known at the time.  You are comparing a blatantly anti-science position by DeSantis and a science based decision by the CDC.  If you want to vote for DeSantis because you like what he says, fine, but don't try to deceive yourself that they are anything alike on the issue of engaging in or encouraging responsible behavior as regards public health.

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« Reply #303 on: August 18, 2022, 09:21:19 AM »
No way Trump plays second fiddle to any one. And my guess is if he runs and does not win the nomination, he will claim it was stolen by RINO's in the party and that he is the true nominee.  A normal person with his money would then self fund a run as a third party, but Trump hates to use his own money.

I would love to see a three way primary between Trump and Desantis and either Pence or Cheney.

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« Reply #304 on: August 18, 2022, 09:37:33 AM »
No way Trump plays second fiddle to any one. And my guess is if he runs and does not win the nomination, he will claim it was stolen by RINO's in the party and that he is the true nominee.  A normal person with his money would then self fund a run as a third party, but Trump hates to use his own money.

I would love to see a three way primary between Trump and Desantis and either Pence or Cheney.

Why has no one mentioned the first proposed ticket, with Trump as President and DeSantis as VP - ready to become President for Trump's third term? Does anyone think a Trump-DeSantis ticket would fail?

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« Reply #305 on: August 18, 2022, 09:40:03 AM »
Two people on the same ticket from the same Red State? Not good politics there. And I think Desantis sees blood in the water around Trump and that Trump is a deeply flawed option. Desantis has seen how Trump treats his VP when he does not do exactly what Trump wants him to do.

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« Reply #306 on: August 18, 2022, 09:40:22 AM »
No way Trump plays second fiddle to any one. And my guess is if he runs and does not win the nomination, he will claim it was stolen by RINO's in the party and that he is the true nominee.  A normal person with his money would then self fund a run as a third party, but Trump hates to use his own money.

I would love to see a three way primary between Trump and Desantis and either Pence or Cheney.

Why has no one mentioned the first proposed ticket, with Trump as President and DeSantis as VP - ready to become President for Trump's third term? Does anyone think a Trump-DeSantis ticket would fail?

Yes.

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« Reply #307 on: August 18, 2022, 09:48:31 AM »
It would probably not fail to get the Rep nomination, but I think it would fail in the general election.

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« Reply #308 on: August 18, 2022, 10:33:30 AM »
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No way Trump plays second fiddle to any one. And my guess is if he runs and does not win the nomination, he will claim it was stolen by RINO's in the party and that he is the true nominee.  A normal person with his money would then self fund a run as a third party, but Trump hates to use his own money.

I would love to see a three way primary between Trump and Desantis and either Pence or Cheney.

Why has no one mentioned the first proposed ticket, with Trump as President and DeSantis as VP - ready to become President for Trump's third term? Does anyone think a Trump-DeSantis ticket would fail?

I think it is highly unlikely DeSantis would take a VP spot.  Especially with Trump but heck stranger things have happened.

I don't believe for a second that trump has a chance of winning in 2024 unless the Democrats nominate someone worse than Trump which is extremely unlikely.  There are too many Democrats, Independents, and even Republicans who are of the "Anyone but Trump" camp.  Each new escapade convinces more people that this country is better off without the circus that surrounds Trump and his family.  I would prefer a choice other than Biden but we'll see.

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« Reply #309 on: August 18, 2022, 10:49:17 AM »
Statistically it usually doesn't end well for anyone one working closely with Trump so only a fool would want the job. For VP he needs someone that will worship him and at the same time blend into the background unnoticed. 

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« Reply #310 on: August 18, 2022, 11:02:32 AM »
Sarah Palin comes to mind. Is MTG too loud for Trump? How about Boebert? Ted Cruz?  Josh Hawley? Andy Gosar?  Bigs? Dr Oz will probably be available.

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« Reply #311 on: August 18, 2022, 11:35:58 AM »
Well the Trump CFO pleads guilty and agrees to testify against the company.

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/top-trump-organization-executive-weissleberg-pleads-guilty-to-tax-fraud-144429978.html

15 counts of tax fraud.

I am sure Trump has never heard of this guy. He is just someone who works down the hall.

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« Reply #312 on: August 18, 2022, 01:02:06 PM »
Well we all know by know that there is no evidence of the FBI planting any thing at MAL.  Trump has the security footage and you know if there was any evidence of the accusations that Trump made he would have released it by now.

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« Reply #313 on: August 18, 2022, 01:41:55 PM »
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Well the Trump CFO pleads guilty and agrees to testify against the company.

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/top-trump-organization-executive-weissleberg-pleads-guilty-to-tax-fraud-144429978.html

15 counts of tax fraud.

I am sure Trump has never heard of this guy. He is just someone who works down the hall.

Was just readying the comments on Foxnews about this and it is amazing how many of the Law and Order crowd have no issue with his actions.
"I mean everybody does it" 
"All rich folks push the envelope" 
"no big deal"

These and lots more just like them.  Seems like a pretty good reason for increasing IRS enforcement.  Just think of how much more in taxes they can collect if "there are millions padding their returns"?




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« Reply #314 on: August 18, 2022, 01:49:32 PM »
And there are Republicans who say that the new IRS employees will target the average Joe. The average Joe is not worth auditing.

The high return audits are for those making half a million or more. Or people like Musk or Gates or Trump or Soros.

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« Reply #315 on: August 18, 2022, 03:26:44 PM »
50 percent of the taxpayers made 11.5 percent of the taxable income in 2019.

The top 1 percent made 20.1 percent of the taxable income in 2019.

What a complete waste of time it would be to go after the average taxpayer when you could go after the guy who makes 87 times more (on average)?

Unless, of course, you wanted fresh-squeezed turnip blood.  ;D

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« Reply #316 on: August 18, 2022, 03:33:28 PM »
Not to mention you can probably audit most of the 50% in 10 or 20 minutes.

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« Reply #317 on: August 18, 2022, 05:09:05 PM »
CMM talked to 18 officials in the Trump Administration, and they all deny there were any standing orders to declassify documents he took from the White House.

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18 former top Trump administration officials tell CNN they never heard any such order issued during their time working for Trump, and that they believe the claim to be patently false.

Several officials laughed at the notion. One senior administration official called it "bullsh*t." Two of Trump's former chiefs of staff went on the record to knock down the claim.

"Nothing approaching an order that foolish was ever given," said John Kelly, who served as Trump's chief of staff for 17 months from 2017 to 2019. "And I can't imagine anyone that worked at the White House after me that would have simply shrugged their shoulders and allowed that order to go forward without dying in the ditch trying to stop it."

Mick Mulvaney, who succeeded Kelly as acting White House chief of staff, also dismissed the idea and told CNN he was "not aware of a general standing order" during his tenure.

In addition, CNN spoke with former national security and intelligence officials as well as White House lawyers and Justice Department officials. Taken together, their tenure covers all four years of the Trump administration, and many served in positions where they would either be included in the declassification process, or at the very least, be aware of such orders. ...

"Total nonsense," one senior White House official said. "If that's true, where is the order with his signature on it? If that were the case, there would have been tremendous pushback from the Intel Community and DoD, which would almost certainly have become known to Intel and Armed Services Committees on the Hill."

Why didn't the Intel and Armed Services Committees know about his standing order? ;)

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« Reply #318 on: August 18, 2022, 08:42:22 PM »
What Trump lied? Never.  All those people are Soros funded deep state Never Trumpers and are not to be believed.  Ignore them.

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« Reply #320 on: August 20, 2022, 03:28:36 PM »
Trump seems really upset that he is backing Dr Oz in PA.  Mitch is correct that when the Reps take a beating in the Senate this fall it will be due to a lack of good candidates running.

Trump supporters can maybe win the primary but they will lose in the general. Or at least in most states.

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« Reply #321 on: August 21, 2022, 06:35:56 AM »
Trump seems really upset that he is backing Dr Oz in PA.  Mitch is correct that when the Reps take a beating in the Senate this fall it will be due to a lack of good candidates running.

Trump supporters can maybe win the primary but they will lose in the general. Or at least in most states.
I really, truly, hope you are correct. I just have this horrible feeling that come results day most of us here are going to be standing back going "how did that happen?" (and no, I don't believe it will have been successfully rigged by the GOP though they will of course try).

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« Reply #322 on: August 21, 2022, 08:39:38 AM »
Trump seems really upset that he is backing Dr Oz in PA.  Mitch is correct that when the Reps take a beating in the Senate this fall it will be due to a lack of good candidates running.

Trump supporters can maybe win the primary but they will lose in the general. Or at least in most states.
I really, truly, hope you are correct. I just have this horrible feeling that come results day most of us here are going to be standing back going "how did that happen?" (and no, I don't believe it will have been successfully rigged by the GOP though they will of course try).

Reminds me of 2016. Me, fresh off the Brexit vote, warning everyone wearing their Hilary hats about how the populace might actually be stupider then you thought.

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« Reply #323 on: August 23, 2022, 08:54:44 AM »
Trump seems really upset that he is backing Dr Oz in PA.  Mitch is correct that when the Reps take a beating in the Senate this fall it will be due to a lack of good candidates running.

Trump supporters can maybe win the primary but they will lose in the general. Or at least in most states.
I really, truly, hope you are correct. I just have this horrible feeling that come results day most of us here are going to be standing back going "how did that happen?" (and no, I don't believe it will have been successfully rigged by the GOP though they will of course try).

Reminds me of 2016. Me, fresh off the Brexit vote, warning everyone wearing their Hilary hats about how the populace might actually be stupider then you thought.

Things are still looking up for Trump. Brian Stelter is gone, presumably for his own actions in attacking Trump endlessly. The networks are finally reacting to their loss in revenue and trying to fix a few things, because they must - not because they see the error in their ways.

The only party that thinks the people are stupid are the Dems and Never-Trumpers who believe they can disinform without getting caught. Fox News and Newsmax are reaping big commercial dollars in spite of the cancel culture doing all they can to block them, like they did OANN. That happens when ratings are high, which Fox News demonstrates. Most people prefer Newsmax, but they don't have the penetration of Fox, yet.

Disinforming is the action of the MSM and Leftwing cable outlets who only devote 10 or fifteen seconds all day to important stories and ignore all old-fashioned news gathering. In order not to be total idiot morons, those who want to get real news are forced to watch elsewhere.

Fired Brian Stelter could't resist a dig at new CNN boss Chris Licht in his final show by saying the network 'must remain strong' and patted himself on the back for his 'patriotic' role as media hall monitor. Almost everyday, Newsmax and Fox would show Stelter's own disinformation and show the real news that contradicted him. Even without commentary, the disinformation was provable. Same elsewhere.

Gutfeld has the highest rated shows on Cable and almost daily would put up Stelter's latest idiocy. It would be funny if it wasn't so sad.

The one thing about Dems which is laudatory, is their solidarity. The talking points are immediate and totally saturated. How many times have you heard the identical sloganeering on every left-wing show? I still remember the "Gravitas" used against Bush 43. It was on every show an every liberal network with total horizontal and vertical saturation for days, until the polls came out that said the people thought Bush had more "gravitas" than his opponent. "Gravitas" disappeared from the airways instantly.

Lemmings may follow carefully scripted clichés and talking points only up to it being slammed in their faces. When that happens, the Democrat talking heads ignore the old, discredited disinformation as if it never existed. The people, lemmings or not, do not forget. The idiot morons you see interviewed on the street may not be able to name the VP, but right-thinking people are not lemmings. In the past, they rarely took the effort to vote. Now, with Zuckerberg illegal ballot boxes and Democrat vote harvesting, The Dems are holding on to a slim (and misrepresented) majority - but they are a minority.

To anyone who disagrees with this, I ask you to look at a single donor who put imbecilic Prosecutors into office all over the country with his millions of dollars being thrown at them. How do you think all those bad prosecutors won their ballots? If you think it was their ideas and philosophies that put them in office, you are deluded. Once their idiocy is recognized - the people fight to get them recalled and thrown out. But the money just keeps on coming in, doesn't it? Let's see if any of those new IRS armed agents go after the Democrat donors.

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« Reply #324 on: August 23, 2022, 02:10:34 PM »
More examples of the Trump Admin trying to hide things.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trumps-team-told-ice-officials-152558170.html

Ordering ICE to delete records.  The most Transparent President ever. What is he trying to hide?

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« Reply #325 on: August 23, 2022, 07:25:26 PM »
Well Trump's lawsuit to set up a Special Master seems to confuse the judge and most lawyers.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-appointed-judge-doesnt-know-210317967.html

It is almost like Trump has lawyers with no experience in upper level law.  I guess it must be true that all the good lawyers do not want to work for him since they like getting paid.

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« Reply #326 on: August 23, 2022, 11:10:03 PM »
Well Trump's lawsuit to set up a Special Master seems to confuse the judge and most lawyers.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-appointed-judge-doesnt-know-210317967.html

It is almost like Trump has lawyers with no experience in upper level law.  I guess it must be true that all the good lawyers do not want to work for him since they like getting paid.

There's no "almost" about it.

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Trump's current legal team includes Christina Bobb, a former host on the right-wing One America News; Lindsey Halligan, a Florida insurance lawyer; Alina Habba, who was once the general counsel for a parking garage firm; and Evan Corcoran and James Trusty, both of whom are former federal prosecutors.

Other than the prosecutors, these people have no background in criminal or government lawsuits, or really any federal lawsuits.

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Bobb’s prior legal experience at the federal level consists mainly of a handful of trademark infringement cases on behalf of CrossFit during a stint at a San Diego law firm. She did not respond to requests for comment.

Trump’s other lawyer currently based in Florida is Lindsey Halligan, whose practice, according to a professional biography, focuses on insurance claims at residential and commercial properties. She was admitted to the Florida bar in 2014. A search of federal court records found no filings under her name. She did not respond to requests for comment.

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« Reply #327 on: August 24, 2022, 07:49:56 AM »
I actually knew all that but wanted to see if some other members came to their defense talking about how great they were.

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« Reply #328 on: August 24, 2022, 09:56:11 AM »
Trump seems really upset that he is backing Dr Oz in PA.  Mitch is correct that when the Reps take a beating in the Senate this fall it will be due to a lack of good candidates running.

Trump supporters can maybe win the primary but they will lose in the general. Or at least in most states.
, The Dems are holding on to a slim (and misrepresented) majority - but they are a minority.


This is just laughable. The only reason conservatives still have a voice in government is down to two reasons. One, gerrymandering. Two, the fact Wyoming with it's half a million people has the same amount of Senators as California with it's 40 million. I can appreciate the reasons behind the Senate, but please don't pretend that conservatives and Republicans aren't outnumbered. That they only still hold what power they have through gerrymandering and outdated political rules.

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« Reply #329 on: August 24, 2022, 11:29:36 AM »
I actually knew all that but wanted to see if some other members came to their defense talking about how great they were.

I was pretty sure you were being sarcastic. No one can claim trump has had great lawyers except trump. I fully expect somebody to put dershowitz on parade shortly. Who defended trump on some relatively narrow points of law, and most assuredly didn't just write up trump's rant as a brief.

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« Reply #330 on: August 24, 2022, 11:35:12 AM »
I have heard several reasons why he is having a tough time getting lawyers.

First, he does not listen to them when they tell him to shut up. The purpose of the lawyer is to tell your side.  But Trump wants to tell his own side and make it the best, most grandest side ever.

Second, he has a history of not paying or at least not paying on time. Which is surprising considering how much money he has raised for his own defense.

Third, he does not take advice.  He knows he is smarter than every one else, so he just wants someone to agree with him, not tell him the truth.

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« Reply #331 on: August 24, 2022, 11:39:13 AM »
It also seems like Trump has a reckless disregard for the law. Lawyers prefer their clients to have some awareness of when they're doing something illegal and the ability to refrain from doing it while under prosecutorial scrutiny.

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« Reply #332 on: August 24, 2022, 12:32:59 PM »
Yep the DOJ does not trust Trump's lawyers because he is so volatile. He may not tell his own lawyers the truth.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/doj-officials-cant-rely-trumps-152629296.html

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« Reply #333 on: August 31, 2022, 09:04:04 PM »
Well Trump backed Sarah Palin lost in AK

https://www.yahoo.com/news/sarah-palin-loses-comeback-bid-002051026.html

It is just for the rest of the term and she will be in the running again in Nov for a full term.

But the Democrat, Mary Peltola,  won.

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« Reply #334 on: September 01, 2022, 11:54:40 AM »
Trump is finally handing over his financial records to the House.

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/1-house-panel-announces-agreement-135719344.html

3 years of delay. I wonder what he was hiding.

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« Reply #335 on: September 01, 2022, 12:14:20 PM »
Those *censored* mules, at it again in Alaska!

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« Reply #336 on: September 01, 2022, 12:16:31 PM »
They are blaming the Ranked Choice voting that the people of AK approved in 2020.  This is the first election where it has been used.

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« Reply #337 on: September 01, 2022, 12:25:35 PM »
Fortunately, there's another election in November which can be used to validate the results of this one.  Presumably, if a significant number of people failed to realize they need to rank their choices instead of just picking their preferred option, they'll know better next time. Arguing in December that voters just didn't understand the new system (and therefore failed to indicate their second choice) seems like a pretty good reason to discount those ballets in the second round.

The intent of ranked choice is to come up with a candidate the majority can live with to prevent selecting one with a unified base but that the majority despises.

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« Reply #338 on: September 01, 2022, 12:41:25 PM »
Fortunately, there's another election in November which can be used to validate the results of this one.  Presumably, if a significant number of people failed to realize they need to rank their choices instead of just picking their preferred option, they'll know better next time. Arguing in December that voters just didn't understand the new system (and therefore failed to indicate their second choice) seems like a pretty good reason to discount those ballets in the second round.

The intent of ranked choice is to come up with a candidate the majority can live with to prevent selecting one with a unified base but that the majority despises.

They don't have a leg to stand on. https://www.elections.alaska.gov/results/22SSPG/ElectionSummaryReportRPTS.pdf

So the two republican candidates added together, which you would expect in a ranked ballot, would have been 58% as first choice.

The missing 9%, however was clearly added to Petola's total. Meaning that the 27% of voters who ranked Begich (R) were never-Palin, and listed Peltola #2, and in fact the writeins went that way also.

91K wound up in the Peltola bin, and 85K went to Palin. Palin picked up significantly more on second ballot than Peltola, but not enough.

Voters weren't confused about the ballot, they said "I like Begich, but I'd rather have the Democrat than Palin" and this has made Republican heads spin because Democrats, after all, are soulless baby eating authoritarians who want to crush your freedom.

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« Reply #339 on: September 01, 2022, 12:44:58 PM »
This system would give someone like me a chance to vote for a real Republican (instead of a Trumpist) and then for someone else who did not support Trump.

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« Reply #340 on: September 01, 2022, 01:30:46 PM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIiaFMOfbwY

For wm. Or anyone who wants to hear funny stories about how Trump compulsively lies and cheats at golf.

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« Reply #341 on: September 01, 2022, 01:40:20 PM »
Oh his golf cheating is well known and documented.  Many players have said that he is good though, and he really did not have to cheat, but did it anyway.

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« Reply #342 on: September 01, 2022, 02:03:13 PM »
Oh his golf cheating is well known and documented.  Many players have said that he is good though, and he really did not have to cheat, but did it anyway.

WM needs to hear about Trump's compulsive cheating and lying.

Best quote from the talk. The reporter asked people if they ever called Trump on his BS: he said Trump always gave the same response:
"I cheat on my wives, I cheat on my taxes, you don't think I'm going to cheat at golf at my own course."

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« Reply #343 on: September 01, 2022, 02:22:35 PM »
Oath breaking by Trump does not matter to Wm.  Trump lying and betraying his wives is OK with him since the ex wives are happy with their divorce settlements.

Of course someone said that Ivanna's NDA ended after 30 years of the divorce and that was this year. So it could be said her death was suspicious.

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« Reply #344 on: September 01, 2022, 03:26:43 PM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIiaFMOfbwY

For wm. Or anyone who wants to hear funny stories about how Trump compulsively lies and cheats at golf.

I read the book, it gives a lot of insight into his reckless disregard for any rules. He's been observed to take someone else's ball and chuck it so they won't beat him.

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« Reply #345 on: September 07, 2022, 09:23:53 AM »
Trump headed for another loss in Massachusetts.

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“Geoff is a proven fighter who successfully pushes back on the ultraliberal extremists,” Trump said on behalf of Diehl during the tele-rally. “He’ll rule your state with an iron fist, and he’ll do what has to be done.”
As the GOP Senate nominee in 2018, Diehl lost to Warren by 24 percentage points. Trump lost Massachusetts to Biden by more than 33 percentage points.[/url]

I'm not sure ruling with an iron fist will appeal to citizens of the Commonwealth that threw tea into the harbor.

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« Reply #346 on: September 08, 2022, 12:41:27 PM »
Oh his golf cheating is well known and documented.  Many players have said that he is good though, and he really did not have to cheat, but did it anyway.

WM needs to hear about Trump's compulsive cheating and lying.

Best quote from the talk. The reporter asked people if they ever called Trump on his BS: he said Trump always gave the same response:
"I cheat on my wives, I cheat on my taxes, you don't think I'm going to cheat at golf at my own course."

I don't now much about golf, nor Trump's ability in it. I looked up Jack Nicklaus' take on him https://www.sportingnews.com/us/golf/news/donald-trump-golf-handicap-liv-golf-pro-am/bzmsm39uc1k76acchaubrwj6. I'm not much impressed by Rick Reilly's credentials, because I've never heard of him, and so many Trump-haters make up so much. I've got the book on order to fix my ignorance on it, but don't expect too much, based on the tendency of all Trump haters to blatantly lie. I will take Nicklaus's view of his golf game, for now.

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« Reply #347 on: September 08, 2022, 12:53:50 PM »
That link doesn't contradict "Many players have said that he is good though, and he really did not have to cheat, but did it anyway."

yossarian22c

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Re: Trump looses again
« Reply #348 on: September 08, 2022, 01:11:12 PM »
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I don't now much about golf, nor Trump's ability in it. I looked up Jack Nicklaus' take on him https://www.sportingnews.com/us/golf/news/donald-trump-golf-handicap-liv-golf-pro-am/bzmsm39uc1k76acchaubrwj6. I'm not much impressed by Rick Reilly's credentials, because I've never heard of him, and so many Trump-haters make up so much. I've got the book on order to fix my ignorance on it, but don't expect too much, based on the tendency of all Trump haters to blatantly lie. I will take Nicklaus's view of his golf game, for now.

Rick Reilly doesn't make the claim Trump is a bad golfer. He makes the claim Trump compulsively and blatantly cheats at golf. Trump can be a good golfer and still feel the need to compulsively cheat. That's all Reilly is saying. That Trump feels no need to follow the rules and will cheat people to their face even when they are betting money on the game.

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Re: Trump looses again
« Reply #349 on: September 08, 2022, 01:16:19 PM »
That is the point. Trump cheats in many aspects of his life when he does not need to. He has beautiful wives, but cheats on them. He makes millions, maybe billions, but cheats on his financials. He is a good golfer, but cheats there as well. it is part of his personality.