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msquared

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« Reply #350 on: September 09, 2022, 09:53:04 AM »
Well Trump got his lawsuit against Clinton tossed today.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/judge-dismisses-trump-lawsuit-against-124420268.html

Part of the judges decision.

Trump in March had sued Clinton, who was the 2016 Democratic presidential nominee, and several other Democrats alleging "racketeering," a "conspiracy to commit injurious falsehood" and other claims in a 108-page lawsuit that echoed the long list of grievances he repeatedly aired during his four years in the White House after beating Clinton.

He had sought compensatory and punitive damages, saying he had incurred more than $24 million in "defense costs, legal fees, and related expenses."

In his ruling, Middlebrooks said Trump had waited too long to file his complaint by exceeding the legal statute of limitations for his claims and that he failed to make his case that he was harmed by any falsehoods, noting that many of the statements made by the defendants were "plainly protected by the First Amendment" of the U.S. Constitution.

If only Trump had good lawyers who knew how to file things on time.

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« Reply #351 on: September 09, 2022, 11:51:43 AM »
Oh, msquared, it was far more than that.  You should read the judge's actual ruling, at least where he rules on Trump's amendment to his original complaint, starting on page 63.

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Plaintiff requests that, in the event I “find[] the Complaint inadequate in any respect,” I grant him leave to amend pursuant to Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 15(a). ...
It is true that under Rule 15 “[t]he court should freely give leave when justice so requires.” ... But a district court need not allow amendment “where amendment would be futile.” ... It is not simply that I find the Amended Complaint “inadequate in any respect”; it is inadequate in nearly every respect. Defendants presented substantively identical arguments in support of dismissal in the earlier round of briefing on Plaintiff’s original Complaint. ... But despite this briefing, Plaintiff’s Amended Complaint failed to cure any of the deficiencies. Instead, Plaintiff added eighty new pages of largely irrelevant
allegations that did nothing to salvage the legal sufficiency of his claims. The inadequacies with Plaintiff’s Amended Complaint are not “merely issues of technical pleading,” as Plaintiff contends, but fatal substantive defects that preclude Plaintiff from proceeding under any of the theories he has presented. At its core, the problem with Plaintiff’s Amended Complaint is that Plaintiff is not attempting to seek redress for any legal harm; instead, he is seeking to flaunt a two-hundred-page political manifesto outlining his grievances against those that have opposed him, and this Court is not the appropriate forum.

C'mon, Judge, tell us how you really feel.  ;D

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« Reply #352 on: September 09, 2022, 02:46:47 PM »
A former Trump lawyer who defended Trump in the first impeachment.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trumps-former-white-house-lawyer-174317033.html

The telling quote:

"My personal view is that it's less a character issue than a personality defect," Cobb said. "I believe former President Trump to be a deeply wounded narcissist, and he is often incapable of acting other than in his perceived self-interest, or for revenge. I think those are the two compelling instincts that guide his actions."

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« Reply #353 on: September 09, 2022, 08:17:26 PM »
Yeah, the judge ruled against the Trump motion to bring suit against Clinton - primarily because it's too old. Since the Clinton lie about Russia! Russia! Russia! is still being used in news to attack Trump, how exactly is the crime not ongoing? Since it truly is, and since the judge and Ty Cobb both linked it with the idea that the 2020 vote was scammed, the judge's argument seems to miss the point - and aim at something else entirely.

Look, perhaps this is too simple for apologists to get. Hillary tried to affect the election by paying for the Steele Dossier and Sussman's allegation about the Alfabank.. The Hillary advocates in the DOJ protected her before and after the election and continued the attack. Is there anyone who doesn't understand that? She knew and kept it up after the truth hit her square in the face.

But she wasn't the only one. Look at the 2020 election, when the laptop was hidden away for months before the election. They couldn't even claim they held up to not affect the election, there was plenty of time. Nor only did the DOJ and the FBI not fulfill their duties and reveal the results of the investigate of the laptop, but they also blocked news sources and social media from even discussing it.

Then there was Big Pharma ready to distribute vaccine shots before the election, and the Clintonite Fauci, the CDC and others requested they hood off the announcement that the vaccines were ready until after the election, so Trump couldn't showcase the success of Operation Warp Speed.

The election interfering was not just the 2,000 Mules accusations, it was all the above. No one really argues that, do they?

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« Reply #354 on: September 09, 2022, 08:24:49 PM »
Out of interest, William, what do you think the "Russia, Russia, Russia" lie actually was?

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By the way, does this mean that you're now conceding that the 2000 Mules allegations are a bunch of phooey, and asking us to look at different phooey?

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« Reply #355 on: September 09, 2022, 08:47:08 PM »
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Yeah, the judge ruled against the Trump motion to bring suit against Clinton - primarily because it's too old.

Primarily because it is too old?

In the excerpt I quoted, the judge basically said, "If I found the Complaint lacking in any respect, you can file an amendment."  So she did find something lacking.

They filed an amendment to cover the things she found lacking.  And, in her own words, "It is not simply that I find the Amended Complaint “inadequate in any respect”; it is inadequate in nearly every respect."  (Emphasis from the judge.)

In fact, here is what the Judge said was the core problem: "At its core, the problem with Plaintiff’s Amended Complaint is that Plaintiff is not attempting to seek redress for any legal harm; instead, he is seeking to flaunt a two-hundred-page political manifesto outlining his grievances against those that have opposed him, and this Court is not the appropriate forum."

If the amendment was to address the inadequacies of the original petition, and the amendment not only did not address those inadequacies but "presented substantively identical arguments in support of dismissal in the earlier round of briefing on Plaintiff’s original Complaint" and "failed to cure any of the deficiencies," how do you come to the conclusion that the dismissal was "primarily because it was too old?"  ;D

You don't write all that just because a complaint was "too old."  You write that because the whole thing was a pile of horse poop from the beginning. 

It's all in front of you, William.  Open your eyes and read it, instead of just listening to those who tell you what you want to hear.  ::)

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« Reply #356 on: September 10, 2022, 10:26:11 AM »
So a German company (Pfizer) delayed distribution of their vaccine to their own country, and giving up massive revenues for weeks if not months, in an effort to influence American elections? It's not like American distribution lagged European distribution. You do know there are other countries, don't you wm?

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« Reply #357 on: September 10, 2022, 11:03:53 AM »
It just proves the lengths the Gates/Soros cabal would go to damage Trump.

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« Reply #358 on: September 14, 2022, 09:27:38 AM »
Well it looks like Durham's inquiry is about run out of steam with very little to show.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/durham-inquiry-appears-wind-down-122137208.html

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« Reply #359 on: September 15, 2022, 12:05:51 PM »

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« Reply #360 on: September 15, 2022, 12:55:26 PM »
Meadows has turned over documents to the DOJ.

Meh.  The story linked said he had already turned the same documents over to the Jan 6 committee, and has not turned over any documents he believes are subject to executive privilege. Call me underwhelmed.   I know people are already screaming "Meadows has turned on T*&%^", but it's nothing new really. 

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« Reply #361 on: September 21, 2022, 11:56:23 AM »
And the fraud case in NY gets filed.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/letitia-james-sues-trump-family-business-fraud-154641833.html
Star witness is Trump Organization CFO.

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« Reply #362 on: September 21, 2022, 02:08:04 PM »
Yeah, this time the walls are closing in! . For real this time! :o

Trump is the current front running political opponent. DeSantis is second. I'm sure we all love the idea of using the DOJ to target your political opponents. Right? Very democratic.

I truly hope Trump re-takes the Whitehouse just so I can see you guys lose the last failing remnants of your sanity.

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« Reply #363 on: September 21, 2022, 02:21:49 PM »
Except this is in the state courts, not Federal, so the DOJ has nothing to do with it.  And the NY case has been going on for years since Trump stonewalled it while he was in office as well as since.
Just like the case in GA is a state case and not Federal.

The NY AG was targeting Trump for years, not just since Biden got elected.

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« Reply #364 on: September 21, 2022, 03:53:56 PM »
Trumps shady doings were suspected long before he became political.
That his followers don't care and or prefer to pretend its not so is another matter 

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« Reply #365 on: September 21, 2022, 08:10:19 PM »
Partial stay of Cannon's order was granted re: the documents still identified as classified, per DOJ request. The ruling is well-written, clear, and rips Cannon's reasoning to shreds in a very thorough but polite way.

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« Reply #366 on: September 21, 2022, 08:15:22 PM »
Two of the three judges on the panel were appointed by Trump.

Unanimous decision.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/appeals-panel-says-judge-erred-234253063.html

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« Reply #367 on: September 22, 2022, 02:15:27 PM »
Two of the three judges on the panel were appointed by Trump.

Unanimous decision.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/appeals-panel-says-judge-erred-234253063.html


There was one particular bit from that presented itself to me.

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While Cannon speculated in her ruling that allowing investigators continued access to the documents could result in leaks of their contents, the appeals panel brushed aside that concern.

“Permitting the United States to retain the documents does not suggest that they will be released; indeed, a purpose of the United States’s efforts in investigating the recovered classified documents is to limit unauthorized disclosure of the information they contain,” the appeals judges wrote. “Not only that, but any authorized official who makes an improper disclosure risks her own criminal liability.”

Let me get this right. Cannon was speculating that investigators might leak this “declassified” information?

Anyone else see the trouble with this?


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« Reply #368 on: September 28, 2022, 06:17:46 PM »
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I don't now much about golf, nor Trump's ability in it. I looked up Jack Nicklaus' take on him https://www.sportingnews.com/us/golf/news/donald-trump-golf-handicap-liv-golf-pro-am/bzmsm39uc1k76acchaubrwj6. I'm not much impressed by Rick Reilly's credentials, because I've never heard of him, and so many Trump-haters make up so much. I've got the book on order to fix my ignorance on it, but don't expect too much, based on the tendency of all Trump haters to blatantly lie. I will take Nicklaus's view of his golf game, for now.

Rick Reilly doesn't make the claim Trump is a bad golfer. He makes the claim Trump compulsively and blatantly cheats at golf. Trump can be a good golfer and still feel the need to compulsively cheat. That's all Reilly is saying. That Trump feels no need to follow the rules and will cheat people to their face even when they are betting money on the game.

The latest news is that Leftist's heads are exploding because Golf Digest announced the rankings of past Presidents, and gave Trump the top ranking of 2.8. JFK was 7, George H. W .Bush was was 11. Ford, Clinton, and Nixon were 12, Obama was 13. George W. Bush was 15, and Ike was 18. The biggest complaint is not how high the former president is rated - but that Biden was given second place at 6.7. While Reilly argued the magazine's ratings are off, golf reporters say it is hard to believe anything he says, He has been caught outright lying and getting facts seriously wrong in his past reporting.

Now that I've read his book, Commander in Cheat, I see where he's coming from. He thinks Golf is the ultimate religion - and any disregard for tournament rules within the sport is heinous. Many think Golf is just a rich man's game and could care less how golfers playing for the fun of it behave on the links. Professional golfers have said Trump is a good golfer, but the 2.8 may be a bit too high. As was Biden's, who hasn't golfed much. Reilly said he may have been a six a long time ago.
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« Reply #369 on: September 28, 2022, 06:30:32 PM »
It's not really tournament rules, its etiquette. You don't have to be in a tournament to know that you NEVER EVER advance beyond the away golfer, unless you are pals and you are on the opposite side of the fairway. You'll get thrown out of any club in the country for repeatedly driving your cart onto the green, unless you happen to own the place. You replace your divots (or let your caddy do it, if you're rich), you certainly don't interfere with someone else's ball. Trust me when I say that any golfer who got paired up with someone playing like Trump on a public municipal course would get pissed off. I don't think that you'd put up with someone grabbing your ball and throwing it in the sand trap, would you? If you're playing pool for the fun of it, is it okay if your opponent just picks a ball up off the table and drops it in a hole?

I'm impressed you read the book, though, wm.

msquared

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« Reply #370 on: September 28, 2022, 07:30:43 PM »
Wm as was have said, Trump is very likely a good golfer.  He has time to practice and locations to do so on. He has access to pros to teach him.

The fact his he cheats even when he does not have to, even in friendly games. He has no honor.

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« Reply #371 on: October 13, 2022, 03:37:05 PM »
TRUMP, DONALD J. V. UNITED STATES
The application to vacate the stay entered by the United
States Court of Appeals for the Eleventh Circuit on September 21,
2022, presented to Justice Thomas and by him referred to the
Court is denied.

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« Reply #372 on: October 13, 2022, 03:47:46 PM »
Those damn disloyal judges. He put them on the Court to protect himself and this is how they give back?

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« Reply #373 on: October 19, 2022, 08:24:06 AM »
And the Durham probe despite running twice as long as the Mueller probe strikes out again.

https://www.npr.org/2022/10/18/1129756772/steele-dossier-igor-danchenko-aquitted

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A jury on Tuesday acquitted on all counts a think tank analyst accused of lying to the FBI about his role in the creation of a discredited dossier about former President Donald Trump.

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« Reply #374 on: October 19, 2022, 08:47:51 AM »
Trump's Special Master says Trump's lawyers are not giving evidence for his claims of privilege over the documents.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/where-beef-special-master-says-220036291.html

Of course in all of these filings his lawyers have never claimed that he declassified anything. Not that that really matters. What matters is the Trump was in possession of Government documents that did not belong to him and he tried to hide them and not return them when asked.

One telling comment

"On the call, Dearie specifically asked Trump’s lawyers to give him a better sense of how one document, for instance, could both be subject to executive privilege – a designation applying to presidential records – and simultaneously be a non-governmental, personal document."

Trump wants it both ways.
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« Reply #375 on: October 19, 2022, 09:46:28 PM »
Trump and family wanted a new judge in the NY fraud case but they got turned down.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trumps-really-really-wanted-judge-005208569.html

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« Reply #376 on: October 20, 2022, 07:57:31 AM »
A Federal judge has determined that Trump lied under oath in his voter fraud claims in GA.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/federal-judge-finds-trump-lied-000120999.html

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« Reply #377 on: October 21, 2022, 11:19:30 AM »
Trumps buddy Bannon gets 4 months for contempt of Congress.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/steve-bannon-sentenced-4-months-150236105.html


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« Reply #378 on: October 26, 2022, 12:41:09 PM »

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« Reply #379 on: October 26, 2022, 01:02:27 PM »
Trumps buddy Bannon gets 4 months for contempt of Congress.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/steve-bannon-sentenced-4-months-150236105.html

Bannon is a scary dude I'm not sure what he really believes in. Is he a nihilist and or anarchist? When I hear him talk the impression I get is that he wants to burn it all down.
To avoid his Fear that things are going to "end" he has decided to initiate the burning?

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« Reply #380 on: November 03, 2022, 07:30:45 PM »
Well the judge in the NY fraud case is going to appoint a monitor for the Trump Organization to make sure they do not do anything suspicious.

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/judge-agrees-appoint-monitor-trump-210643462.html


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« Reply #381 on: November 03, 2022, 08:18:09 PM »
Trump filed a lawsuit in FL against the AG of NY suing the Trump Org trying to stop the placement of a monitor.

Even his own legal team thought it was frivolous bordering on malpractice.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/trump-bucked-advice-legal-team-231525352.html

What? Trump wanting his lawyers to do something that might be malpractice? How long have these people worked for him?

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« Reply #382 on: November 03, 2022, 09:15:50 PM »
Trump filed a lawsuit in FL against the AG of NY suing the Trump Org trying to stop the placement of a monitor.

Even his own legal team thought it was frivolous bordering on malpractice.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/trump-bucked-advice-legal-team-231525352.html

What? Trump wanting his lawyers to do something that might be malpractice? How long have these people worked for him?

Not long. They haven’t been disbarred yet.

msquared

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« Reply #383 on: November 09, 2022, 05:46:27 PM »
Trump does not get to hold up the watchdog for his company in NY.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-cannot-delay-watchdog-company-215012671.html

I guess it does not matter when you are spending someone else's money but I do not think he has won a single appeal or request.

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« Reply #384 on: November 10, 2022, 08:29:54 PM »
Trumps frivolous law suit against HRC has had some results. Trump's attorneys have been sanctioned for bringing the suit.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-lawyers-sanctioned-judge-clinton-220612436.html

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« Reply #385 on: November 11, 2022, 10:25:08 PM »
So in the defamation suit by E Jean Carroll  Trump has been saying that he said what he did as President so he can not be prosecuted and the Gov must defend him.

The issue is he has now said the same thing about her when he is not President so she is suing him for those comments as well.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-rape-accuser-plans-defamation-213942459.html

He just is not able to keep his mouth shut.

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« Reply #386 on: November 14, 2022, 08:10:14 PM »
Trump Corp Controller has been declared a hostile witness for the prosecution.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-controller-declared-hostile-witness-214900267.html

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« Reply #387 on: November 16, 2022, 09:57:54 AM »
Not technically a loss, but nobody could possibly call this a "win," or anything in the furthest vicinity of one.  ;D

The New York Post's front-page covering Trump's announcement to run for President again.

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« Reply #390 on: November 20, 2022, 10:58:10 AM »
And again.

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/trump-org-exec-just-dropped-143005842.html

Trump, and his kids, new and approved the tax fraud.

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« Reply #391 on: November 20, 2022, 03:04:34 PM »

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« Reply #392 on: November 20, 2022, 06:23:55 PM »
Trumps frivolous law suit against HRC has had some results. Trump's attorneys have been sanctioned for bringing the suit.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-lawyers-sanctioned-judge-clinton-220612436.html

The judge wrote: “Thirty-one individuals and organizations were summoned to court, forced to hire lawyers to defend against frivolous claims. The only common thread against them was Mr. Trump’s animus.”

Copy and paste that statement so that when the GOP accusations against the weaponized DOJ and Dem collusion become real, you may see true justice reappear. We are all tired of the whole world calling us a third-world tyrannical despot-driven country because of this misuse of honesty and truth. The sad part is how so many Dem apologist will never admit their culpability. Six years of unending lies, accusations, and unfair attacks against anyone (not just Trump) who objects to the Democrat war against truth. Explain to us the bankruptcy of General Flynn for the cost of his defense, when he was innocent from day one. ...or all the actionable but ignored lies to the FISA Courts to spy on anything Trump.

Just more proof of their rationalization that the ends justifiy the means.

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« Reply #393 on: November 20, 2022, 06:30:09 PM »
Does anyone here disagree that the Biden Crime Family is guilty? ...Does anyone claim Tony Bobulinski did not provide proof that Joe was personally involved? Will any of you apologize if they are all found guilty?

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« Reply #394 on: November 20, 2022, 06:32:34 PM »
Will you disagree that the Trump Crime Family is guilty? I mean his CFO is guilty of fraud.  He has plead it. And Trump and his family knew.

Who in the Biden family has plead guilty or been charged?

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« Reply #395 on: November 20, 2022, 06:33:51 PM »
I think Flynn was found guilty.  And then was pardoned by Trump. Or at least in accepting the pardon he accepts that he was guilty, which is precedent from the USSC.

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« Reply #396 on: November 20, 2022, 08:40:59 PM »
What are you saying the Bidens are guilty of, exactly?

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« Reply #397 on: November 20, 2022, 09:00:10 PM »
Wm

Will you apologize if Trump and any of his family is found guilty or pleads guilty? Or would any of those convictions/pleas be farce? Because if you are not willing to accept, on either a state or Federal level, any of the court results from the ongoing issues now, why should we accept anything you say?

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« Reply #398 on: November 20, 2022, 09:03:30 PM »
What are you saying the Bidens are guilty of, exactly?

Eating babies. Masterminding pedophilia rings. Acting as Chinese agents. You know, treason on down. Stuff that everyone would agree with, except lying Democrats who secretly know the Biden family is sick and twisted but won't admit it because they are trying to replace whites and turn everyone gay.

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« Reply #399 on: November 21, 2022, 10:46:53 AM »
You mean, the Bobulinski who's evidence couldn't even convince Fox News?

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Fox News has reviewed emails from Bobulinski related to the venture — and they don't show that the elder Biden had business dealings with SinoHawk Holdings, or took any payments from them or the Chinese.

or the Wall Street Journal?

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Bobulinski provided text messages and emails related to his venture to The Wall Street Journal, mainly from the spring and summer of 2017, which don't show Hunter or James Biden discussing Joe Biden's purported role.

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according to separate emails obtained by Fox News, Bobulinski states there are no other members besides Hunter Biden, Jim Biden, Rob Walker, James Gillar and Anthony Bobulinski, regarding the shareholding structure, and records for all stages of company negotiations show no role for Joe Biden.

Joe Biden, master criminal boss but has severe dementia. Do you even see how non-sensical the various criticisms of Biden are when combined?