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« Reply #50 on: August 07, 2022, 08:11:16 AM »
Have to agree with Tom.  Biden may claim to be a Democrat and some of his policies have been but most are Right leaning moderate.

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« Reply #51 on: August 07, 2022, 03:55:35 PM »
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You know Biden's one page playbook says to delete every Trump policy he can.
Gotta tell you, man, I sincerely wish that were true, or that Biden and I shared the same definition of "can" in this case.

Seriously examined your post trying to figure out what you mean. You can't mean you disagree that Biden has moved against everything that Trump put in play. You can't close your eyes to the things Biden did out of spite. One of Biden's first 17 Executive Orders was to stop the Border Wall construction which was close to finishing. When he did this he had to spend at least $3 million a day on contractors “to watch steel rust in the desert,” Adding regulations that Trump had ended is why no one can produce new oil supplies. He quashed Trump's project to cut the price of insulin. What did he keep?

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« Reply #52 on: August 07, 2022, 04:21:59 PM »
Have to agree with Tom.  Biden may claim to be a Democrat and some of his policies have been but most are Right leaning moderate.

I see him rubber-stamping everything from the Bernie Sanders/AOC playbook. His self-expressed number one issue is Climate Change. So what are you talking about?


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« Reply #53 on: August 07, 2022, 05:40:40 PM »
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You can't mean you disagree that Biden has moved against everything that Trump put in play.
I absolutely do mean that. Biden hasn't done nearly enough to reverse the damage Trump has done to our institutions. While he's canceled some of the more egregious boondoggles and ended a couple of the worst EOs, it'll take another three administrations moving at his current pace to correct for the crap Trump put into place.

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I see him rubber-stamping everything from the Bernie Sanders/AOC playbook.
That perception would not, I suspect, match the assessment of either Bernie Sanders or AOC. :)
« Last Edit: August 07, 2022, 05:43:04 PM by Tom »

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« Reply #54 on: August 07, 2022, 11:03:37 PM »
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I absolutely do mean that. Biden hasn't done nearly enough to reverse the damage Trump has done to our institutions. While he's canceled some of the more egregious boondoggles and ended a couple of the worst EOs, it'll take another three administrations moving at his current pace to correct for the crap Trump put into place.

What are you talking about? The Keystone Pipeline was shut down before Biden could figure out which end of the pen to use to sign his executive orders. He sent out instructions to all his minions to search for Trump actions to be stopped. It was easily argued at first that Trump's actions were wrong and needed to be challenged; however, once his minions put on the brakes, reality set in and Biden's actions were seen to have caused monumental problems.

Look, he is the most vilified President with the lowest ratings of all time. That didn't happen out of the blue. We had energy dominance, with more clean production than OPEC. Now, we're begging Venezuela and the Saudi's for the world's dirtiest oil. Nothing was done to clean up our environment, because our oil was the cleanest on Earth, and now what we are forced to use to replace it is the dirtiest. Logic is missing, yet you are not commenting on that, just claiming Biden did not do enough.

Just because Wray won't admit the Humter laptop nailed the Biden Crime Family doesn't mean we don't know how corrupt they have been. He can't hide behind "we are investigating, so we can't comment." No one did that when all the illegal disinformation was leaked to empower all the "investigations" against Trump.

The world is anticipating fixing the corruption inside Justice. Maybe we can start at the Midterms. Maybe it will happen in 2024. We are waiting, and none of it is because Trump did anything wrong. The corruption is with Dems and their complicit useful idiots.
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« Reply #55 on: August 07, 2022, 11:06:44 PM »
It is a real shame I never got to know you when you were sane.

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« Reply #56 on: August 07, 2022, 11:15:01 PM »
It is a real shame I never got to know you when you were sane.

Still no valid response, just more of the debate fallacy of "Laughter by Intimidation", which as I already explained to you denigrates you - not the debater you are insulting. Afraid to admit that Biden is "The Big Guy" as Bobulinsky already testified? Face it. He's dirty and Trump is clean You are on the wrong side, and you will look back on this time in your life with regret. You have the opportunity to get it right, now. You choose the dark side. That's on you - not on me or anyone else.

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« Reply #57 on: August 07, 2022, 11:21:20 PM »
William, please understand that a "valid response" isn't something anyone can do to your posts. Almost everything you say is wrong in either the particulars or the circumstances, and it's not remotely productive for someone to spend the time rebutting every third word you utter. People have tried before to reach you, either by pointing out the multiple, repeated factual errors that your regularly make or the contorted moral hypocrisies you've forced yourself to accept, and it bounces off; I am not under the impression that I'm going to reach you by engaging you with evidence that, for example, Trump is plenty "dirty."

But neither am I laughing at you. Sometimes your posts are amusing, but for the most part I find you a very tragic figure.
« Last Edit: August 07, 2022, 11:23:23 PM by Tom »

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« Reply #58 on: August 08, 2022, 10:31:31 AM »
Have to agree with Tom.  Biden may claim to be a Democrat and some of his policies have been but most are Right leaning moderate.

I see him rubber-stamping everything from the Bernie Sanders/AOC playbook. His self-expressed number one issue is Climate Change. So what are you talking about?

I've yet to see any serious push for universal health care, universal basic income, or reparations. First two are out of Bernie's playbook, the reparations and far left racial justice issues are from the AOC playbook. The balance of power of the democratic party in DC is held by the moderates. Clean energy and efficiency investments, letting Medicare negotiate drug prices, taxing hedge fund managers, are all things they advocate for but are policies that generally have 70+% approval in the general public.

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« Reply #59 on: August 08, 2022, 11:00:25 AM »
William, please understand that a "valid response" isn't something anyone can do to your posts. Almost everything you say is wrong in either the particulars or the circumstances, and it's not remotely productive for someone to spend the time rebutting every third word you utter. People have tried before to reach you, either by pointing out the multiple, repeated factual errors that your regularly make or the contorted moral hypocrisies you've forced yourself to accept, and it bounces off; I am not under the impression that I'm going to reach you by engaging you with evidence that, for example, Trump is plenty "dirty."

But neither am I laughing at you. Sometimes your posts are amusing, but for the most part I find you a very tragic figure.

wm. I tend to agree with this assessment of your mental state to engage in sincere dialogue. You repeatedly post the same unverified or false claims. When asked for why you believe that you point to some rando right wing blogger or internet troll who has no credibility or you don't respond at all, claiming that google or tech companies somehow deleted all records and evidence. That isn't dialogue, that's you claiming crazy crap repeatedly with little to no justification.

2000 mules for example. Nothing in that film has been verified indecently. No one has gone to jail because of the film. No mules have been identified because of that film. The one name you gave me was arrested 18 months before the film was published (for ballot harvesting during a primary). The film was made by someone convicted of campaign finance fraud. The man has a fraud conviction! And you believe him unquestionably, not even Fox will touch his claims because they are already getting their asses sued off for defamation. He hides all the "great evidence" that shows the election was stolen behind a pay wall. Have some discretion in what you are willing to believe. He isn't putting out a public service by uncovering evidence. He put together a film to further fleece the Trump base.

You search around for "evidence" but just end up reading opinion pieces that serve as confirmation bias. Your "best historian" works weren't about uncovering new historical facts or details but all consisted of just telling the facts with a "free market is the ultimate good" narrative. That isn't great historical writing. It can be interesting to debate the causes for the beginning and ending of the great depression. But that is economics, not history.

I have no idea where you find the crazies you believe on climate science. They all seem to be either opinion writers or in the employ of oil companies. You have claimed repeatedly we're due for cooling. I've been asking you for the last few years over multiple threads: What models predict cooling? When should the cooling start? How have those climate models performed since their creation?

All that said, I'll repeat this again. I'm glad you are here. I think this forum may be the last place you are exposed to ideas and facts outside your confirmation bubble. But until you can allow your brain to process and respond to information outside of that bubble don't be surprised if people tire of taking you on point by point when you just jump to the next crazy idea or just repeat the same thing that has been shown to be false or at best completely unverified a week later.

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« Reply #60 on: August 08, 2022, 01:12:33 PM »
William, please understand that a "valid response" isn't something anyone can do to your posts. Almost everything you say is wrong in either the particulars or the circumstances, and it's not remotely productive for someone to spend the time rebutting every third word you utter. People have tried before to reach you, either by pointing out the multiple, repeated factual errors that your regularly make or the contorted moral hypocrisies you've forced yourself to accept, and it bounces off; I am not under the impression that I'm going to reach you by engaging you with evidence that, for example, Trump is plenty "dirty."

But neither am I laughing at you. Sometimes your posts are amusing, but for the most part I find you a very tragic figure.

wm. I tend to agree with this assessment of your mental state to engage in sincere dialogue. You repeatedly post the same unverified or false claims. When asked for why you believe that you point to some rando right wing blogger or internet troll who has no credibility or you don't respond at all, claiming that google or tech companies somehow deleted all records and evidence. That isn't dialogue, that's you claiming crazy crap repeatedly with little to no justification.

2000 mules for example. Nothing in that film has been verified indecently. No one has gone to jail because of the film. No mules have been identified because of that film. The one name you gave me was arrested 18 months before the film was published (for ballot harvesting during a primary). The film was made by someone convicted of campaign finance fraud. The man has a fraud conviction! And you believe him unquestionably, not even Fox will touch his claims because they are already getting their asses sued off for defamation. He hides all the "great evidence" that shows the election was stolen behind a pay wall. Have some discretion in what you are willing to believe. He isn't putting out a public service by uncovering evidence. He put together a film to further fleece the Trump base.

You search around for "evidence" but just end up reading opinion pieces that serve as confirmation bias. Your "best historian" works weren't about uncovering new historical facts or details but all consisted of just telling the facts with a "free market is the ultimate good" narrative. That isn't great historical writing. It can be interesting to debate the causes for the beginning and ending of the great depression. But that is economics, not history.

I have no idea where you find the crazies you believe on climate science. They all seem to be either opinion writers or in the employ of oil companies. You have claimed repeatedly we're due for cooling. I've been asking you for the last few years over multiple threads: What models predict cooling? When should the cooling start? How have those climate models performed since their creation?

All that said, I'll repeat this again. I'm glad you are here. I think this forum may be the last place you are exposed to ideas and facts outside your confirmation bubble. But until you can allow your brain to process and respond to information outside of that bubble don't be surprised if people tire of taking you on point by point when you just jump to the next crazy idea or just repeat the same thing that has been shown to be false or at best completely unverified a week later.

Thank you Yossarian for at least posting honorably. I see too much from posters doing exactly what they blame me for doing to take them at face value.

BTW: I don't post only from opinionated sites. I read all the news sources, and usually end up in places you call spotty, because the MSM seems to edit and not show all the news. Even video clips are truncated and only shows a portion of the video. If I cite a news source you don't like, ask yourself why the news sources you prefer didn't show all the truth and only sugar-coated it for you. If that is all the news you are getting, then that is too bad.

I have posted over and over again that the often cited judicial reviews of vote-scamming declared to be refuted were often never looked at. I am sick at seeing obviously intelligent people throwing that back as definitive. No matter the rejoinder to them, they refuse to actually look at the eyewitness affidavits. There was vote-scamming. You all agree to that, You just seem to think it was not enough to be commented upon. To any purist, one hint of it is more than enough to look for redress. One scammed vote is enough to invalidate your own individual ballot.

After the voting, numerous mathematicians evaluated the voting numbers and concluded that Trump made inroads in every group that voted against him in 2016, and no one that voted for him then changed their minds, in any number. The numbers he generated were beyond anything anyone had expected, breaking all the records. Up until the bogus ballots started coming in after acceptance times, he was so far ahead that none of them thought there could be a new trend established. Evidently, hundreds of thousands of single vote ballots were marked for Biden without any Trump votes mixed in. Yet the Biden apologists here say to move along, nothing to see here.

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« Reply #61 on: August 08, 2022, 01:31:51 PM »
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no one that voted for him then changed their minds, in any number.

You know that this is not a statement mathematicians can make, right?

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« Reply #62 on: August 08, 2022, 01:47:57 PM »
I'm also interested in learning a couple names of the "numerous mathematicians" referenced. You aren't thinking of Ed Solomon, are you?

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« Reply #63 on: August 08, 2022, 01:51:03 PM »
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I have posted over and over again that the often cited judicial reviews of vote-scamming declared to be refuted were often never looked at. I am sick at seeing obviously intelligent people throwing that back as definitive. No matter the rejoinder to them, they refuse to actually look at the eyewitness affidavits. There was vote-scamming. You all agree to that, You just seem to think it was not enough to be commented upon. To any purist, one hint of it is more than enough to look for redress. One scammed vote is enough to invalidate your own individual ballot.

Of course there was some vote scamming. We've caught a number of Republicans double voting and vote harvesting. There was one Democrat who harvested votes in the Arizona primary. There probably are a few other small time (dozens of votes) frauds or malfeasances. There is zero evidence (2000 mules isn't evidence of anything) for any fraud that constitutes hundreds of thousands of votes across multiple states. Quit making the argument that if there are inaccuracies that amount to 0.001% of the vote and no one makes a fuss that means we don't care about election integrity. It just means that you are making mountains out of mole hills.

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After the voting, numerous mathematicians evaluated the voting numbers and concluded that Trump made inroads in every group that voted against him in 2016, and no one that voted for him then changed their minds, in any number. The numbers he generated were beyond anything anyone had expected, breaking all the records. Up until the bogus ballots started coming in after acceptance times, he was so far ahead that none of them thought there could be a new trend established. Evidently, hundreds of thousands of single vote ballots were marked for Biden without any Trump votes mixed in. Yet the Biden apologists here say to move along, nothing to see here.

So much is wrong with this. So, so, much. Did you listen to Bannon brag to a group of Trump supporters that he would be ahead on election night because of the order that votes would be counted (in person before mail in) would favor Trump in a number of key states? There was one mathematician who did a piss poor analysis and wrote something up that got shredded by anyone who knows anything about mathematics. If you want to dig it up I can explain to you why it is complete crap or point to other mathematicians who pointed out how much it was crap. Trump upped his vote of black voters from 6% to 8%, but he lost the suburbs and he pissed off over half the country so turn out was huge. So yes, he got more votes than he got the first time, but he drove more people out to vote against him as well. This isn't some mystery.

People have looked at double voting. Here's a story about real Mathematicians/scientists looking at double voting.

https://www.thisamericanlife.org/630/things-i-mean-to-know/act-one-1

And the conclusion is its a very small problem. From 2016.

And he's the media looking in depth at several of the biggest claims from the 2020 election.

https://www.thisamericanlife.org/724/transcript


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« Reply #64 on: August 08, 2022, 07:30:38 PM »
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You know Biden's one page playbook says to delete every Trump policy he can.
Gotta tell you, man, I sincerely wish that were true, or that Biden and I shared the same definition of "can" in this case.

Seriously examined your post trying to figure out what you mean. You can't mean you disagree that Biden has moved against everything that Trump put in play. You can't close your eyes to the things Biden did out of spite. One of Biden's first 17 Executive Orders was to stop the Border Wall construction which was close to finishing. When he did this he had to spend at least $3 million a day on contractors “to watch steel rust in the desert,” Adding regulations that Trump had ended is why no one can produce new oil supplies. He quashed Trump's project to cut the price of insulin. What did he keep?

Here’s something Biden should have reversed but didn’t.

https://www.npr.org/2022/08/03/1114964240/new-battery-technology-china-vanadium

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The Chinese company didn't steal this technology. It was given to them — by the U.S. Department of Energy. First in 2017, as part of a sublicense, and later, in 2021, as part of a license transfer. An investigation by NPR and the Northwest News Network found the federal agency allowed the technology and jobs to move overseas, violating its own licensing rules while failing to intervene on behalf of U.S. workers in multiple instances.

So, no Biden isn’t going fast enough fixing Trump’s mistakes.


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« Reply #65 on: August 09, 2022, 03:49:49 AM »
I saw that story and wasn't impressed with the spin which seemed misleading. Nothing was given to China. We just licensed the technology. But we still own it. And apparently there weren't enough American companies willing to take advantage of it. Also, I didn't see anything about exclusivity in the story meaning that if American companies wanted to also license that technology and make use of it that should be fine.

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"How is it that the national lab did not require U.S. manufacturing?" Skievaski asked. "Not only is it a violation of the license, it's a violation to our country."

Now that the Department of Energy has revoked the license, Skievaski said she hopes Forever Energy will be able to acquire it or obtain a similar license.

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So apparently we can revoke the license and give or sell it to someone else. This battery technology goes hand in glove or hand in hand or something with renewable energy to help fight pollution and conserve fossil fuels (I'm not so much into man-made global warming but there's that too if that's your thing). To me that's up there with such a benefit to mankind, for instance along the lines of the Covid vaccines, that hoarding and hogging the technology is going to hurt us more than it helps. As long as it's not an exclusive license given to the Chinese, more good will come out of them making these batteries than harm. And we should be making them too if now we're willing and able since the Chinese have already proven its value when according to the story American funding sources weren't ready to make the long term commitment necessary to get the ball rolling.

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« Reply #66 on: August 14, 2022, 07:10:04 PM »
Rand Paul believes the Espionage Act has always been bad and should be abolished. Funnily enough, he's started saying this out loud in the last two days.

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« Reply #67 on: September 13, 2022, 11:58:17 AM »
Has it really been a month since the last nutbag post? It's not for lack of options. Here's a great one, Bolduc is running for Senate in NH.

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The General has also been a vocal anti-vaxxer suspicious of Bill Gates’ plan to implant people with tracking microchips. He was specifically concerned that Gates and the government were planning a vaccine registry, which he heroically vowed to conscientiously object to. According to The General, the only chip going inside him would be a woke globalist corporate product famous for its all natural ingredients—the “Dorito.” Bolduc’s microchip worries earned him a rebuke from a group of New Hampshire doctors who warned that his rhetoric could result in fewer people taking a life-saving vaccine. The General refused to bow to those elitist cucks with their “science” and epidemiology and doctorates of medicine. Because while most Granite Staters emphasize the “Live Free” portion of the state’s motto, Bolduc demands that respect be paid to the “Or Die” bit.

Unlike some of his anti-vax co-conspirators, Bolduc did not believe that COVID was fake news. On Twitter he shared the view that it had been purposefully created by China to “kill” Americans and destabilize the West. This is the tension of the Alex Jones Proposition: If COVID is a Chinese bioweapon, then why shouldn’t Americans get vaccinated to protect themselves from it?

Best not to think about that too hard.

The General has other concerns: That his nemesis Bill Gates and George Soros also funded the “militant wing” of Black Lives Matter, which he deems a domestic terrorist organization. By contrast Bolduc is of the opinion that Confederate statues should be preserved in America because they are “a symbol of hope, a symbol of inspiration, a symbol of moving forward.” This is a strange position for a New Hampshire Yankee, but his gray shirt fans seem to concur!

Being such a learned individual, you won’t be surprised that Bolduc also has strong views about what our children are being taught in schools. At an event in Londonderry he argued that even private schools should be subject to government bans on the discussion of “sexuality.”.

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« Reply #68 on: September 13, 2022, 05:56:15 PM »
I actually sympathize with the concern about planting tracking devices in Americans. This is not only a believable thing to happen, but it's consistent with actions practically on that level that have been going on for 20 years, including 'illegal' NSA mass data collection, planting backdoor access in devices going back quite a ways, even to the point of the backdoors involving physical mechanisms in PC components and not being limited to software backdoors. This is not a new thing. Any method of tracking people, their habits, and monetizing it, you bet someone's trying to do it. And I don't personally buy the billionaire 'just trying to help people' routine. Although Gates being part of the Giving Pledge does somewhat soften my suspicion about him, but not eliminate it. Some people are fully able to take high-handed controlling actions over others "for their own good", and yet not directly mean harm. They're just victims of a God complex that comes with having too much power.

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« Reply #69 on: September 13, 2022, 06:48:53 PM »
Those things are all true, Fenring, and are things we should all look out for.

But when you are talking about imaginary technology, and when it keeps people from doing something for their health and the health of society in general, you've gone into nutbag territory. When you realize that these politicians are making things up to scare people, which results in harm to those people and others, there is no need to sympathize too much.  Yes, the basis of their lies have some merit; but they have moved far beyond reasonable human beings into pure nutbagery. :)

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« Reply #70 on: September 13, 2022, 06:51:03 PM »
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This is not only a believable thing to happen, but it's consistent with actions practically on that level that have been going on for 20 years, including 'illegal' NSA mass data collection...
No, it's not believable -- because it would require that pretty much the entire epidemiological community be in on it. Even assuming we could make effective tracking devices small enough that they'd be invisible to the naked eye and fit through a small-bore needle, the regulatory bodies examining the various vaccine lines would have to be convinced to endorse the scam. And what exactly is this hypothetical tracker going to tell the government that our credit cards and phones don't already?

And, hell, here's the bigger and more important question: why the hell would George Soros or Bill Gates or the Democratic Party care where we are? Sure, geotracking data's handy for monetization, but it's not so handy that they'd spend billions to locate you without your knowledge. If this was something the government wanted to do, they'd just have a bunch of Republicans insist that it was the only way to ensure election security or keep out immigrants.

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« Reply #71 on: September 13, 2022, 06:53:05 PM »
I nominate whichever of you perverse children of worthless idols in this world, whether they are GOP or not, who gave my cell phone number to the RNC.  Every hour is another text message of some R politician who desperately needs my $$$.  I've got something here for you.  It's not $$$.   It is borrowed, but it is not new or blue.  Here it is:

"It is mine to avenge; I will repay.
In due time their foot will slip;
their day of disaster is near
and their doom rushes upon them." 

Deuteronomy 32:35

For every text message I receive RNC, I'm going to send you another one. 

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« Reply #72 on: September 13, 2022, 06:53:49 PM »
But when you are talking about imaginary technology, and when it keeps people from doing something for their health and the health of society in general, you've gone into nutbag territory. When you realize that these politicians are making things up to scare people, which results in harm to those people and others, there is no need to sympathize too much.  Yes, the basis of their lies have some merit; but they have moved far beyond reasonable human beings into pure nutbagery. :)

If it's just a question of fearing that a vaccine is really a secret chip implant (nanotech, I suppose) then I agree with you. But I don't think it will be long before actual chip implantation becomes not only available but quite convenient. Eventually (like in Babylon 5) it may become mandatory in order to have access to the general system control credit and bank accounts, ID, etc. It will probably become embedded in a central chip system where everything's stored in one place. I realize this is going in a different direction than vaccine paranoia, but to the extent that people are worried about being tracked via implants, they probably should be. What's really at issue is the average person (and Congressperson) isn't going to be up on the tech scene enough to be able to judge whether 'that time' has finally come where getting bio-tracking will be a legitimate concern. To them it's already that time. That may not be accurate, but the concern should probably be addressed in advance (it won't be).

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« Reply #73 on: September 13, 2022, 06:55:33 PM »
Has it really been a month since the last nutbag post? It's not for lack of options. Here's a great one, Bolduc is running for Senate in NH.

What is with NH?  Have you seen the crap the Libertarian Party of NH comes up with?  It's grade A douchbaggery.  Trade for Alberta. 

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« Reply #74 on: September 13, 2022, 06:56:33 PM »
When implants actually become feasible, people will gladly pay to have implants put into their own bodies that tell corporations where they are.

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« Reply #75 on: September 13, 2022, 06:59:10 PM »
I realize this is going in a different direction than vaccine paranoia, but to the extent that people are worried about being tracked via implants, they probably should be.

These the same people who are on truth social all day long on their iphones?  I got bad news for them. 

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« Reply #76 on: September 13, 2022, 07:00:07 PM »
When implants actually become feasible, people will gladly pay to have implants put into their own bodies that tell corporations where they are.

Haha, in many cases probably so. In fact if I was very transparently offered a chip that would contain all my info, my accounts, give me direct access to emergency authorities, be quantum encrypted, and avoid me needing to bring my wallet around, but would track all of my movements and purchases with impunity, I would probably gladly sign up for this service.

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« Reply #77 on: September 13, 2022, 07:00:57 PM »
I realize this is going in a different direction than vaccine paranoia, but to the extent that people are worried about being tracked via implants, they probably should be.

These the same people who are on truth social all day long on their iphones?  I got bad news for them.

Right, I'm not saying their fears will do anything to stop what's coming (i.e. increasing amounts of your choices being catalogued). Just that the fears are realistic.

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« Reply #78 on: September 13, 2022, 07:29:21 PM »
There is a difference between "their fears are realistic" and "they have reason to be concerned in the future."   ;)

Because that guy's fear's are as realistic as the guy who thinks lizard people have taken over the Democrats.  ;D

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« Reply #79 on: September 13, 2022, 08:27:17 PM »
Because that guy's fear's are as realistic as the guy who thinks lizard people have taken over the Democrats.  ;D

Well, just to make use of the analogy, if some groups of people elsewhere in the world had already been taken over by lizard people, just not the Democrats yet, it would be reasonably rational to fear that the Democrats had been taken over too, even if they hadn't (yet). In our case some systemic elements have already been taken over by surveillance, and things that are 'yours' (such as motherboards) are infiltrated. Other systemic elements have not yet been infiltrated (biochemistry) but that seems to be less an issue of type and rather an issue of capability.

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« Reply #80 on: September 14, 2022, 12:06:44 AM »
Reason #339 that this whole 'secret tracking device' meme is bonkers - whatever "it" is would be a transmitter. Radio waves are detectable. How long would it take to be able to find it and prove it? But I DO think there's a great opportunity to sell tinfoil shirts . There are a number of EM blocking outerwear shops. There's also the whole idea of power. Even something the size of RFID can only track someone to within a few feet of the receivers, if not a few inches.

It would not be unreasonable for a candidate of any party to suggest that payment systems can and are being used to track people, as well as their yelp and facebook checkins. There's a ravenous federal facility in Utah that really doesn't get nearly enough attention from the privacy loons who are dreaming up Gates/Soros plots.

I already voluntarily carry around bluetooth locator tiles in my wallet, shoulder bag, luggage, and keys. Because there's a much better chance that I'm going to need to find my lost credit cards than the government finding out I went to whole foods and a sports pub last Sunday. Are there people who should be concerned? Matt Gaetz probably. If you have been plotting with your local militia to kidnap someone. But not your average rank and file member of the masses.

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« Reply #81 on: September 14, 2022, 11:33:42 AM »
For every text message I receive RNC, I'm going to send you another one.

I warned you, RNC.  But you seem intent on effing around and finding out. 

"The Lord will strike you with wasting disease, with fever and inflammation, with scorching heat and drought, with blight and mildew, which will plague you until you perish."
Deuteronomy 28:22


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« Reply #82 on: September 14, 2022, 12:43:52 PM »
For every text message I receive RNC, I'm going to send you another one.

I warned you, RNC.  But you seem intent on effing around and finding out. 

"The Lord will strike you with wasting disease, with fever and inflammation, with scorching heat and drought, with blight and mildew, which will plague you until you perish."
Deuteronomy 28:22

I think that threat has already been carried out via covid and climate change.

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« Reply #83 on: September 14, 2022, 12:56:31 PM »
Grant

Remember to keep it to the OT.  Many of the hard core conservatives here like that part of the Bible much better than the NT, especially the part with Jesus in it and all of that forgiveness and tolerance for others.

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« Reply #84 on: September 14, 2022, 01:40:48 PM »
Grant

Remember to keep it to the OT.  Many of the hard core conservatives here like that part of the Bible much better than the NT, especially the part with Jesus in it and all of that forgiveness and tolerance for others.

I plan to just keep to Mark 11:14, and skip over Mark 11:25. 

Nevertheless, I would hate for the OT to have a completely bad rep.  God apparently forgave the Jews over and over again, often after many of them were killed or scattered to the four winds, and Joseph forgave his brothers, and Esau forgave Jacob. 

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« Reply #85 on: September 14, 2022, 01:43:46 PM »
Those are friends and family. It is the sections about the "others" that bother them.

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« Reply #86 on: September 14, 2022, 07:05:19 PM »
And, hell, here's the bigger and more important question: why the hell would George Soros or Bill Gates or the Democratic Party care where we are? Sure, geotracking data's handy for monetization, but it's not so handy that they'd spend billions to locate you without your knowledge. If this was something the government wanted to do, they'd just have a bunch of Republicans insist that it was the only way to ensure election security or keep out immigrants.

You're missing part of the puzzle. Where you are/were is only part of the puzzle.

It is about where were you in relation to somebody else? Did you spend any "significant" amount of time in the vicinity of somebody else "they" have on a watch list? How long were you nearby? Has it happened more than once? Even if it only happened once, have you been regularly found in the same places as other "first degree contacts" with the person they're particularly interested in? What about "Second degree contacts?"

It's about creating associations between people. And to make that happen, one of the best ways to do so is to know when and where you're making in person contact with others. (And possibly use other electronic means to address non-physical means of contact)

You can argue about how capable they are of pulling it off, but the methodology is centuries old at this point.

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« Reply #87 on: September 14, 2022, 07:15:39 PM »
What's really at issue is the average person (and Congressperson) isn't going to be up on the tech scene enough to be able to judge whether 'that time' has finally come where getting bio-tracking will be a legitimate concern. To them it's already that time. That may not be accurate, but the concern should probably be addressed in advance (it won't be).

RFID has been with us for a couple decades now. Amazon even setup a demonstration store using RFID to allow a customer to walk in(identified by RFID--presumably a phone or other more "passive" item responding to the active ping at the doorway. Then you go through the store, pickup what you want, and leave. It'll bill you for what you exit with automatically as each item was RFID tagged and scanned as you walked out the door.

The only question is exactly how small the RFID "chip" needs to be in order be read at any particular distance from a RFID type of scanner.

Basically if you have a RFID tag implanted in you, it can be completely passive(only providing your "unique identifier") as the power comes from the Scanner reading the reflected signal your "tag" sends back. It doesn't carry your bank balance information, your name, your medical data, or anything else. It just responds back with that "unique ID" which then pings a central database which then calls up the information relevant to that particular "scanner" being used.

This is something that has been possible for well over a decade now, although the early implementations would have required some advanced materials that wouldn't risk rejection from the human body and a RFID "patch" that was a couple inches across to each side as I recall, but less than a millimeter thick. From there, you just need the scanners and connecting them into a networked system to track everything.

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« Reply #88 on: September 14, 2022, 07:38:38 PM »
OOh, I saw this on the X-Files. Implanted transmitters. Holy hell, why would you ever need to do this? If you're close enough to scan someone with RFID, you're close enough for face recognition. Or you can 10,000 mules people with their cellphone data, it won't be very accurate, but you can do it. I'm surprised that no one has suggested an implanted voterID yet, immune to any falsification and gets buried with the voter when they die.

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« Reply #89 on: September 14, 2022, 11:13:42 PM »
OOh, I saw this on the X-Files. Implanted transmitters. Holy hell, why would you ever need to do this? If you're close enough to scan someone with RFID, you're close enough for face recognition. Or you can 10,000 mules people with their cellphone data, it won't be very accurate, but you can do it. I'm surprised that no one has suggested an implanted voterID yet, immune to any falsification and gets buried with the voter when they die.

Cell phones and smart watches are much easier because they're also active transmitters and can store (some of) the data until able to transmit. But you can leave the celll phone behind, and not wear the smart watch. They can even be stolen or loaned out and generate misleading data as a result. Something like an RFID embedded in your body isn't likely to be misplaced, loaned out, or stolen(absent a surgical process you'd likely notice).

But yeah, there are other ways to achieve it that are far simpler than "covertly" installing RFID readers in random doorways to track who is entering or leaving buildings.

And for X-files fun, my favorite was the little strip of magnetic tape embedded in the larger denomination bills and the Lone Gunmen saying that too was a means of tracking people.  ;)

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« Reply #90 on: September 15, 2022, 05:32:59 AM »
What's really at issue is the average person (and Congressperson) isn't going to be up on the tech scene enough to be able to judge whether 'that time' has finally come where getting bio-tracking will be a legitimate concern. To them it's already that time. That may not be accurate, but the concern should probably be addressed in advance (it won't be).

RFID has been with us for a couple decades now. Amazon even setup a demonstration store using RFID to allow a customer to walk in(identified by RFID--presumably a phone or other more "passive" item responding to the active ping at the doorway. Then you go through the store, pickup what you want, and leave. It'll bill you for what you exit with automatically as each item was RFID tagged and scanned as you walked out the door.
I think this https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2018/01/we-test-the-worlds-first-amazon-go-watch-you-shop-grocery-store/ is what you are referring to and that isn't RFID it's a "conventional" login + a lot of cameras.

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« Reply #91 on: September 15, 2022, 08:45:10 AM »
What's really at issue is the average person (and Congressperson) isn't going to be up on the tech scene enough to be able to judge whether 'that time' has finally come where getting bio-tracking will be a legitimate concern. To them it's already that time. That may not be accurate, but the concern should probably be addressed in advance (it won't be).

RFID has been with us for a couple decades now. Amazon even setup a demonstration store using RFID to allow a customer to walk in(identified by RFID--presumably a phone or other more "passive" item responding to the active ping at the doorway. Then you go through the store, pickup what you want, and leave. It'll bill you for what you exit with automatically as each item was RFID tagged and scanned as you walked out the door.
I think this https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2018/01/we-test-the-worlds-first-amazon-go-watch-you-shop-grocery-store/ is what you are referring to and that isn't RFID it's a "conventional" login + a lot of cameras.

In some ways, that makes more sense in the context of what happens when you have multiple people enter/exit the sensor's range at the same time--it was doing the tracking visually. In many respects, I'd expect the RFID version to be a simpler implementation, and I'd still strongly suspect Amazon had it present as a fall back if nothing else.

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« Reply #92 on: September 17, 2022, 11:54:49 AM »
I was trying to let things go.  As far as I know a relative gave them my number and one who curses their father is cursed themselves. 

I don't even mind John James.  And John Kennedy is kind of a joke to me. 

But this morning I got a text from Jim Jordan. 

So...

"You will become a thing of horror, a byword and an object of ridicule among all the peoples where the LORD will drive you."

Deuteronomy 28:37

Chew on that, RNC.