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Wayward Son

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« Reply #100 on: September 05, 2022, 02:49:11 PM »
What is worse than biting into an apple and finding a worm in it?

Biting into an apple and finding half a worm in it.

What is worse than finding someone with 11,000 classified documents stored in an unsecured location?

Finding 11,000 classified documents and 43 empty folders for classified documents with the contents removed.

Shall we take wagers as to where those documents now are?  Moscow?  Bejing?  Riyadh?  Pyongyang?  (After all, if someone sends you a love letter, you should always send him back a nice gift.) :)

msquared

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« Reply #101 on: September 06, 2022, 08:08:36 AM »
So Trump's pet judge came through for him and named a special master.  Notice there were no calls for this judge to recuse themselves since they were appointed by Trump. Only Trump can ask for judges appointed by Dems to recuse themselves.

Let's see who is picked as the special master. I am sure Trump has a few ideas.  Maybe Jenna Ellis or Sydney Powell.

And if the judge actually picks someone impartial, how long before Trump trashes them for being bought and sold by the Gates/Soros deep state when they do not say the Gov can not use any of the documents.

I wonder if the ruling for a special master can be appealed?

yossarian22c

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« Reply #102 on: September 06, 2022, 08:39:12 AM »
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I wonder if the ruling for a special master can be appealed?

Most court rulings can be appealed. I wonder if they can find anyone not currently in government who has the necessary clearances to review the documents.


msquared

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« Reply #103 on: September 06, 2022, 09:02:39 AM »
From what I am reading it is not the special master that would be appealed, so much as the scope of what the special master can do. That is what look to be over reach from the Bench.  Of course Trumpist will say she is the most brilliant legal scholar in the country and her decision is above appeal.

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« Reply #104 on: September 06, 2022, 09:12:00 AM »
The entire point here, remember, is just to delay. Trump needs Republicans to take the House (and ideally the Senate) in order to shut down most of the investigations. Anything that makes the process take longer is seen as a benefit.

msquared

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« Reply #105 on: September 06, 2022, 09:14:11 AM »
I have had a feeling that that is why they are taking so long with the Jan 6 committee. Work up until the new Congress is in place and then have the DOJ take over. They can not stop the DOJ. And they can not stop the GA investigation.

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« Reply #106 on: September 06, 2022, 11:01:41 AM »
The ruling can be appealed but the problem is that the higher courts--all the to SCOTUS--is loaded with enough Republicans that the Trump judge's farce would be allowed to stand. It'd be faster and less likely to have damaging precedent just to let the special master go over everything.

Wayward Son

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« Reply #107 on: September 08, 2022, 01:46:49 PM »
The Washington Post reports that someone leaked some more information on the types of documents Trump had hidden in his closet.

From the Electoral-Vote article:
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One of the documents detailed the military capabilities of a foreign country, including its nuclear capabilities. The document is so secret that most people with a top-secret security clearance aren't allowed to see it. Only the president, specific members of the cabinet or subcabinet (presumably including the Secretary of Defense but not the Secretary of Agriculture) may see it and then only in a secure facility. Such documents are guarded by a control officer who keeps tabs on them and who has seen them. Even most national defense officials aren't allowed to see documents like this. ...

The country isn't named. It also isn't known if it is a friendly country (say, Israel) or a hostile country (say, Iran). Getting another country's nuclear secrets was probably the work of a very high-level spy. There are only a dozen or so countries the document might relate to and now all of them will be hunting like crazy for the spy, whose life is probably in danger due to the document being taken out of its secure facility.

Do you think Donald thought about this when he "declassified" it?  Did he ever wonder what damage he could cause by "declassifying" any of them?  Do you think he ever worried about the consequences of anything that he did?  >:(

It also occurred to me the irony and sheer chutzpah of Trump asking that a Special Master review the documents taken from Mar-A-Lago. Apparently he believes that there are certain papers his that should remain confidential that were mixed in with the confidential papers he stole from the government which he thinks do not need to be confidential, the laws be damned.  ;D  What a selfish hypocrite!  Or maybe he just believes that laws should apply to everyone but himself.  >:(

msquared

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« Reply #108 on: September 08, 2022, 01:52:47 PM »
I am still waiting for Wm to answer the question: Where did Trump get the power to declassify? Where in the Constitution?

yossarian22c

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« Reply #109 on: September 08, 2022, 04:02:54 PM »
The ruling can be appealed but the problem is that the higher courts--all the to SCOTUS--is loaded with enough Republicans that the Trump judge's farce would be allowed to stand. It'd be faster and less likely to have damaging precedent just to let the special master go over everything.

Maybe Bill Barr would be willing, he called the special master request a farce. And he still probably has the necessary clearances. Or maybe Mattis. The number of people with high enough clearance to actually review these documents is really small. Seems like the judge throwing Trump a delay bone.

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« Reply #110 on: September 08, 2022, 04:05:04 PM »
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Seems like the judge throwing Trump a delay bone.
That is the entire Trump legal strategy. It is vitally important to him that Republicans take the House and decide to ignore all principles of good government when elected (which normally would be an important distinction, but goes without saying in the current climate.) He is literally putting all of his eggs in that basket.

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« Reply #111 on: September 08, 2022, 04:10:18 PM »
If the Republicans do not retake the House this fall (which seems unlikely at the moment), I think Trump does not run in 2024. First, the Jan 6 investigations can go on if the Dems keep control in the House. Second, it would show how weak Trump is. He lost them the Senate in 2020. He is likely going to keep them from regaining the Senate in what should have been a red wave in 2022.  If the Republicans are not able to retake the House that is, even with all of the gerrymandering they have been doing, that falls squarely on Trump and cements him as a losing candidate.
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Tom

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« Reply #112 on: September 08, 2022, 04:14:40 PM »
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If the Republicans do not retake the House this fall (which seems unlikely at the moment), I think Trump does not run in 2024.
I dunno. I think he HAS to. Because his only remaining recourse at that point would be to baselessly but stridently assert that, as a presidential candidate, he should be immune to prosecution.

msquared

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« Reply #113 on: September 10, 2022, 11:11:04 AM »
Trump asks for a special master but wants to split the cost with the Gov.  I don't think so.

TheDrake

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« Reply #114 on: September 10, 2022, 12:00:06 PM »
Trump asks for a special master but wants to split the cost with the Gov.  I don't think so.

What are the odds that Trump will stiff the special master on payments, and then claim that it made them biased against him? I recommend they ask for the money to be put in trust before they begin.

wmLambert

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« Reply #115 on: September 11, 2022, 08:27:22 PM »
I am still waiting for Wm to answer the question: Where did Trump get the power to declassify? Where in the Constitution?

the question you should ask is where classification came from. It is not easily pulled out of the Constitution because it is an Executive-level action solely created and maintained by the President's branch of government. No other branch really enters in to it. Other branches may have secret papers, but that is philosophically unwarranted. The Legislative and Judicial are pledged to be transparent for the people, and the Executive handles the implementation of that legality. If Schumer or Pelosi have something secret they don't wish to be revealed they are probably in violation of some law. Remember they are supposed to be open, and vote on laws for the Executive to implement.

We now think we kn ow why the FBI was so desperate to raid Mar-A-Lago.

Fron Newsmax: "President Trump has now admitted what he expected from the ‘swamp’ or administrative state, who would be likely to destroy the very documents that exonerated him in the highly political Russia probe of his candidacy, campaign, and presidency.

Trump indicated that he didn’t trust the new Biden administration, so he rushed to declassify important documents in his final days as president,
And he was, of course, met with massive resistance from the DC insiders, who refused to respect his authority as President and carry out his executive orders."

Those reports were confirmed by other media sources.

“Trump, believing the documents would expose a “Deep State” plot against him, told several people that he was concerned that incoming President Joe Biden’s administration would “shred,” bury, or destroy “the evidence,” Rolling Stone reported Wednesday.

Trump and White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows worked to declassify information right up to when Biden took the oath of office, Rolling Stone reported.

But the Federal government worked hard to resist Trump and made a mess out of declassifying his documents, thereby leaving a bizarre loophole open for the Biden administration to exploit with abuse of power."

Rolling Stone reported one month after FBI agents raided Trump’s Florida looking for ’11 sets of classified documents”  that the DOJ had probable cause to conduct the search based on possible Espionage Act violations.

Trump and his legal team have insisted that the documents were declassified.

“I think they thought it was something to do with the Russia, Russia, Russia hoax,” Trump told Newsmax in a Sept. 1 interview.

Federal Judge Orders Biden Admin to Hand Over ‘Misinformation’ Emails From Fauci, Jean-Pierre
“They were afraid that things were in there — part of their scam material,” he said.

John Ratcliffe, a former U.S. congressman from Texas whom Trump tapped to serve as director of national intelligence, told Fox News last week that the bureau “didn’t find what they were looking” for, based on his observations.

“I was a former federal prosecutor, United States attorney. Let me tell you what this is about. Good prosecutors with good cases play it straight. They don’t need to play games,” Ratcliffe said, in reference to Justice Department officials. “They don’t need to shop for judges, they don’t need to leak intelligence that may or may not exist.”

The Justice Department’s arguments against having a federal court appoint a special master to review allegedly classified documents “tells you that the government didn’t find what they were looking for,” Ratcliffe continued.

“There weren’t nuclear secrets” at Trump’s estate, he noted further, “and they’re trying to justify what they’ve done. They’re not playing it straight before the American people. I think that that’s going to play out.”

Tom

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« Reply #116 on: September 11, 2022, 08:31:45 PM »
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We now think we know why the FBI was so desperate to raid Mar-A-Lago.
Trump is more than welcome to publicly announce the contents of any documents he wants to assert that he declassified while in office, of course. There is no reason for him not to share that information now.

TheDrake

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« Reply #117 on: September 11, 2022, 09:19:17 PM »
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The Epoch Times noted further that Ratcliffe did not go into specific evidence regarding his claims, however.


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« Reply #118 on: September 11, 2022, 09:31:01 PM »
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We now think we know why the FBI was so desperate to raid Mar-A-Lago.
Trump is more than welcome to publicly announce the contents of any documents he wants to assert that he declassified while in office, of course. There is no reason for him not to share that information now.

Of course there is. He wanted to protect the evidence until he had a real government he could work with. Wouldn't you? These are the same people who went after him by lying, disinforming, and leaking unproven stories.. Why expect them to change their spots?

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The Epoch Times noted further that Ratcliffe did not go into specific evidence regarding his claims, however.

First he has to find out if they shredded, buried, or destroyed “the evidence.”

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« Reply #119 on: September 11, 2022, 09:44:51 PM »
Protect the declassified evidence by doing absolutely nothing with it until the government got around to getting a search warrant? Which they could do very easily since Trump never got around to telling anyone that he'd declassified anything.

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« Reply #120 on: September 11, 2022, 10:04:10 PM »
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He wanted to protect the evidence until he had a real government he could work with. Wouldn't you?
No. That's the sort of logic that gets you QAnon and Krakens.

msquared

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« Reply #121 on: September 12, 2022, 07:52:06 AM »
What evidence is there of this claim that Trump kept the documents to keep Biden from destroying them?  It sure seems like a case of "the other guy is going to do something illegal, so I have to do something illegal first." This is what, Trump's 5th or 6th excuse for what he did.

That does not change the fact that Trump took government documents and lied about having them or turning them all back over.

Why didn't Trump declassify and release all of the documents about Hillary when he was President? When he had the authority to do so? And he was in control of the DOJ and the Executive Branch?

msquared

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« Reply #122 on: September 12, 2022, 07:56:38 AM »
Should Joe Biden start "Lock Him Up" chants at his campaign rally's?  I mean Trump is still after Hillary almost 8 years later and there is much more evidence that Trump violated the law than Hillary did. And at least Hillary testified under oath about what happened while we all know Trump avoids oaths like the plague.

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« Reply #123 on: September 12, 2022, 09:15:52 AM »
Sometimes we just have to be better.

Is their hypocrisy annoying? Yes. Do they feel ashamed? No.

We all said back then to let the justice system run it's course. Do rich people get an easier time in that, you're damn right they do. Unfortunately it's what we're stuck with. I for one won't turn hypocrite and start advocating for people to be convicted before they've even smelled a trial for the backing of a media who cares about nothing more then ratings.

TheDrake

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« Reply #124 on: September 12, 2022, 11:35:13 AM »
When Snowden found documents that exposed government malfeasance, he got it out into the public and suffered the consequences. If this information was so damning, and so important, why didn't Trump and his people leak it out to the NY post and other friendly media? Why not put the entire texts on Truth Social? I mean, he had already declassified everything, so he wouldn't even have had the problems Snowden did, right?

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« Reply #125 on: September 12, 2022, 12:44:12 PM »
When Snowden found documents that exposed government malfeasance, he got it out into the public and suffered the consequences.

No he didn't.   He fled to Russia.  Russia.  To escape trial and the consequences of his actions. 

Ali and King.  They suffered the consequences.  Snowden doesn't deserve to be in their company. 

Why are we even entertaining such a ludicrous hypothesis?  Uggghhhhhh!

To paraphrase the Joker, this country deserves a better class of Republican.  Trump and Lambert are not going to give it to you. 

TheDrake

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« Reply #126 on: September 12, 2022, 02:17:47 PM »
If you think living in Russia is not suffering...

DJQuag

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« Reply #127 on: September 12, 2022, 02:50:46 PM »
If you think living in Russia is not suffering...

Come on.

That wasn't the point he was making and you know it.

If you have to flee to Russia of all places for help, it casts doubt on your original actions.

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« Reply #128 on: September 12, 2022, 02:52:56 PM »
Exile is a consequence. I'm not sure it qualifies as "the consequences" though.

TheDrake

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« Reply #129 on: September 12, 2022, 02:57:05 PM »
I said he suffered the consequences, is everyone going to get unruffled if I remove the definite article, and just say he suffered consequences? Sometimes a person becomes a martyr, sometimes not. Should we remove Mark Felt from the pantheon of people fighting corruption and injustice because he gave his information to the press, but retained his anonymity to avoid "the consequences"?

The point *I* was making is that Snowden made the information public despite the risk and costs to his own life. Unlike the mythical version of Trump suggested here who was biding his time to expose the evildoers because he wanted a friendly government first.

DJQuag

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« Reply #130 on: September 12, 2022, 03:28:28 PM »
Yeah, sorry man.

I didn't feel like Trump was involved. I guess you did?

Anyway, on Snowden, the guy is or was in the process of trying to flee to Mordor to escape his crimes. Because in Mordor he would be safe.

Does that mean we should all examine our laws and make them more like Mordor's? Perhaps. I would probably even agree. Snowden got a raw deal.

Doesn't change the fact he tried to run to fall down at Sauron's feet.

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« Reply #131 on: September 12, 2022, 06:01:52 PM »
The point *I* was making is that Snowden made the information public despite the risk and costs to his own life.

I understand perfectly what you are trying to say.  I can assuage you by assuring you that if Trump gets indicted he will probably try to flee to Russia as well, just like Snowden, so that both you and Lambert can wax lyrically about how they both did what they did despite the consequences, with great moral courage. 

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« Reply #132 on: September 12, 2022, 06:04:22 PM »
The point *I* was making is that Snowden made the information public despite the risk and costs to his own life.

I understand perfectly what you are trying to say.  I can assuage you by assuring you that if Trump gets indicted he will probably try to flee to Russia as well, just like Snowden, so that both you and Lambert can wax lyrically about how they both did what they did despite the consequences, with great moral courage.

Something about Lambert?

Grant

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« Reply #133 on: September 12, 2022, 06:08:45 PM »
Something about Lambert?

I mean that both Lambert and Drake can talk about how brave Snowden and Trump were when they did what they did, and then fled to Russia. 

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« Reply #134 on: September 12, 2022, 09:20:00 PM »
Something about Lambert?

I mean that both Lambert and Drake can talk about how brave Snowden and Trump were when they did what they did, and then fled to Russia.

Quite Smarmy, neh? Not down to the level of Tom and some of the other Dem apologists. Do you guys get paid for being so outstandingly smarmy? For four years they created a strawman of Trump and then lampooned that strawman instead of dealing with truth. When the truth revealed itself, they somehow neglected to revisit their incorrect zealotry. Did you notice how he pretended Trump routinely does things illegally or immorally then attacked Drake and me as if their own thinking is what others do. Of course, we will see no apologies, Smarmy.

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« Reply #135 on: September 12, 2022, 10:09:44 PM »
I get that nearly half the country thinks Snowden was a traitor rather than a hero. I'm on the hero side. The NSA is an evil organization that spies on citizens of this country without any legal basis, routinely using national security letters to extract information on citizens and then gag the companies involved not to tell anyone how much information they are gathering. I'm glad he got away and is dining on borscht and drinking from a samovar. Why Russia? Because it is one of the very few countries that can actually stand up to withering pressure from the United States, and has no extradition treaty.

Meanwhile, Trump has exposed nothing, unless you count himself.


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« Reply #136 on: September 12, 2022, 10:12:45 PM »
William, you should probably know that when you accuse other people on this forum of projection, it comes off as, well, projection. :)

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« Reply #137 on: September 13, 2022, 11:23:37 AM »
Protect the declassified evidence by doing absolutely nothing with it until the government got around to getting a search warrant? Which they could do very easily since Trump never got around to telling anyone that he'd declassified anything.

You need to apply Trump's logic to it. He won't trust any investigations during the Biden Admin, or under a Democrat controlled committee. Goal was to "hold the evidence" until the Republicans retook control of congress at the earliest. But because of his problems with what he calls RINOs, he likely would then try to wait until a Republican was in the oval office again to start that work. Where obviously the Republican in the White House should be him.

So yes, hold onto it until the Biden Admin could get a court to order the seizure of the documents in question.

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« Reply #138 on: September 13, 2022, 07:51:09 PM »
From what I can tell Trump has not claimed that he has declassified all of these documents in any of his legal briefs.  I wonder why not.

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« Reply #139 on: September 14, 2022, 07:47:49 AM »
From what I can tell Trump has not claimed that he has declassified all of these documents in any of his legal briefs.  I wonder why not.

Probably because the lawyers know there is no documented proof anywhere that he did so, and that actual courts don't believe in waving a wand over classified documents and saying "exclassificamous" works, unlike some individuals in the court of public opinion who will believe anything from the Pumpkin Revolution. 

msquared

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« Reply #140 on: September 14, 2022, 08:15:28 AM »
That sure seems to be a pattern that was set up during all of the election challenges.  As far as I can recall none of Trumps lawyers every claimed fraud in any of the cases they presented. In fact, IIRC, Rudy even said in one pleading that they were not claiming fraud in the legal documents.

Trump knows he can lie to the public but not to the courts. He just has his lawyers lie to the court and then if they get caught blames them.

Wayward Son

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« Reply #141 on: September 15, 2022, 01:19:44 PM »
Now here's a quandary for all the true believers of Trump.

Assume that Trump is telling the truth.  That the raid on Mar-A-Lago was utterly illegal.  That he had every legal right to have those classified documents.  That there is no question the he declassified those documents.  All of that is completely true and can be proved in court.

Where are the lawyers?

What Conservative lawyer wouldn't jump at the change to defend an ex-President billionaire of obvious, ridiculous charges?  Think of the fame.  Think of the reputation.  Think of giving it to the Liberals.  It would be the chance of a lifetime, wouldn't it?  To have your name mentioned nightly on CNN, Fox, CBS, etc.  You would walk away as well known as Johnnie Cochran, even better known, since you saved an innocent person.  Your career would be made.  Not to mention the legal fees you'd incur.

So, why weren't lawyers lining up to represent Donald Trump?

And for the lawyers who are representing Trump, what are their qualifications?  Make a list of their experience, especially with similar cases, and look at it carefully.

Are these the best lawyers available?  Donald Trump should have had his pick of the best lawyers for this case, assuming he is innocent.  Are these the absolute best lawyers out there for this type of case?  For any case?  Are they in the top 10?  The top 100?  Would you want them to defend you in a similar case with their current experience?

Then ask yourself:  why did he have to settle with these guys?  Why couldn't he get better representation?  What part or parts of the premise kept him from getting better lawyers?

If you think about it, you'll understand why we are so skeptical about Trump's innocence. :)

msquared

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« Reply #142 on: September 15, 2022, 01:50:21 PM »
The rest have been bought off by The Soros/Gates cartel. It is just proof of how deep the swamp is. All the more reason for Trump to get reelected so he can clean the swamp up even more.

Wayward Son

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« Reply #143 on: September 15, 2022, 03:57:18 PM »
Of course, if he'd cleaned it up the first time, he wouldn't be in this mess.  ;D

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« Reply #144 on: September 18, 2022, 10:18:54 AM »
So groups are using FOIA requests to get copies of the declassified documents, which is what you can do when documents are declassified.  So did he actually declassify them? The fact he has not claimed so in any of his legal pleadings  seems to support the idea that he did not. He can claim he did in public statements, since that is not perjury, but in legal documents that is a different story.

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« Reply #145 on: September 18, 2022, 02:13:42 PM »
The rest have been bought off by The Soros/Gates cartel. It is just proof of how deep the swamp is. All the more reason for Trump to get reelected so he can clean the swamp up even more.

There is actually a fair bit or reporting via alternative channels indicating that the lack of lawyers has to do with major and minor law firms putting down a firm "You shall not" policy in place in regard to Trump. So while the individual lawyer might be inclined to do so, the law firms they're part of are not, out of concern that other paying customers they represent will seek out representation elsewhere.

So while they might be chomping at the bit to represent Trump if they could, even if it'd be pro-bono, they're not willing to lose the paychecks they're getting from their current jobs to do so.

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« Reply #146 on: September 18, 2022, 03:09:53 PM »
There is actually a fair bit or reporting via alternative channels indicating that the lack of lawyers has to do with major and minor law firms putting down a firm "You shall not" policy in place in regard to Trump. So while the individual lawyer might be inclined to do so, the law firms they're part of are not, out of concern that other paying customers they represent will seek out representation elsewhere.

So while they might be chomping at the bit to represent Trump if they could, even if it'd be pro-bono, they're not willing to lose the paychecks they're getting from their current jobs to do so.

"Alternative Channels". 

What, like UHF? 

Truth Social?  Or maybe the Q-Underground. 

Next time I don't want anybody to believe anything I write, I will tell them my source was from "alternative channels". 

This sounds like the title of an Alexis Texas film from 2003 translated into Tagalog. 

I need air quote emojis because actual quotation marks don't do the job. 

I have heard through alternative channels that there are a billion lawyers in the United States that are not associated with major or minor law firms.  They seem to be equally unavailable.  My guess is that they are terribly concerned about actually getting paid.   

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« Reply #147 on: September 18, 2022, 07:27:08 PM »
Of course, if he'd cleaned it up the first time, he wouldn't be in this mess.  ;D

Sort of true, actually. however; the full truth is that the Swamp is so deeply embedded in the bureaucratic world, that going through that world to eradicate them is generally futile. The greatest fear is the Red Wave which will allow brooming the Dems from power positions. Moreover - many of them should be wearing prison orange and apologizing for all they've done to hurt the country and the world.

One of the posts above by one of the small group of Dem apologists, here, said no Trump attorneys made any legal claims of election fraud. Of course we all know there were many claims attempted, by Trump attorneys, as well as private citizens acting as Poll watchers and whistleblowers which were blocked from originating suits because they were said to lack standing. They official attorneys trying to go through the courts were blocked because these same witness affidavits were never looked at.

The reason the Special Master is scaring the Left, is that the FBI has lied so often, as in FICA applications, and their leaking of prejudicial lies have ruined their credibility.

We know because it has been admitted, that the FBI refusal to allow info on Hunter's laptop to be released did affect the election. The number stated is 17% of voters who voted for Biden would not have done so. That is huge.

Lies and disinformation. The Dems accuse Trump's supporters of that - but they are the ones who will not admit that Hillary and the Dems paid Russian sources to invent untrue pejorative charges against Trump. ...That they lied to the FISA courts to spy on Trump's campaign; and are now attacking any Trump supporter with no verifiable basis. Even the raid on Mar-a-Lago has shown no nuclear documents like they leaked to the Media as rationalization for doing so. ...And none have admitted that Trump unClassifed these documents to protect them from the Dems. It was all political. The DOJ must be cleansed, and the perps should  be indicted.

How can any of you continue on these proven-wrong attacks that just keep on coming?

Will one of you reject the official Biden statement that the border is secure?

jc44

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Re: The Trump Papers
« Reply #148 on: September 19, 2022, 10:17:40 AM »
The rest have been bought off by The Soros/Gates cartel. It is just proof of how deep the swamp is. All the more reason for Trump to get reelected so he can clean the swamp up even more.

There is actually a fair bit or reporting via alternative channels indicating that the lack of lawyers has to do with major and minor law firms putting down a firm "You shall not" policy in place in regard to Trump. So while the individual lawyer might be inclined to do so, the law firms they're part of are not, out of concern that other paying customers they represent will seek out representation elsewhere.

So while they might be chomping at the bit to represent Trump if they could, even if it'd be pro-bono, they're not willing to lose the paychecks they're getting from their current jobs to do so.
To be fair this sounds fairly plausible - the law firms themselves might also like getting paid which is maybe why they choose not to work for Trump. But on the other hand if a lawyer really wants to work pro-bone for the good of Trump then they could just do so - getting paid is nice but the joy of being on the side of Truth would be its own reward :-)

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« Reply #149 on: September 19, 2022, 12:21:35 PM »
I mean, we're talking about defense lawyers here. Epstein found competent lawyers to represent him. So did R Kelly. Are you saying all the competent lawyers at all the competent firms, and the independent lawyers, all of them are part of the Qspiracy to discredit Trump? I have no doubt that some of the lawyers don't want to explain to their friends, families, and colleagues why they took Trump's losing case. Maybe they don't want to be associated with the likes of Guiliani and Powell. Maybe it isn't that they are secretly champing at the bit to Free Trump, but held in check by shadowy figures inside their law firms. Particularly that none of the Partners, who cannot be directly overruled in which cases they take. A partner can get voted out - but that would mean a full majority of the partners would have to be anti-Trump.

Plenty of evidence of Trump lawyer reluctance to claim fraud in court. One small example in PA:

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In a recent Pennsylvania federal case, Giuliani alleged “widespread, nationwide voter fraud” in his opening remarks. But under questioning from the judge, he retreated. “This is not a fraud case,” Giuliani later admitted. In the same case, Trump lawyer Linda Kearns said explicitly that she is “not proceeding” on allegations of fraud.

In their own words, that was not a fraud case.

I can't find a comprehensive list but most of them only seem like they alleged fraud because that's what his lawyers talked about in public. Instead, they attacked the way elections were lawfully conducted, trying to exploit a technicality to toss votes because they deemed them "suspicious" - like all mail in ballots. Not fraudulent ones, all of them. They whined about the placement of their observers, also not fraud. Texas tried to claim that other states didn't have the right to change their election rules. Also not fraud. That was thrown out on standing, because of course Texas can't tell Georgia how to run their elections - any more than California can demand that Texas allow unlimited mail in votes. That case, also not about fraud, "Whether "voters committed fraud" was not the "constitutional issue" in this case, according to Texas. Therefore, Texas declared that it did not need to "prove" fraud."