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« Reply #50 on: November 09, 2022, 03:00:01 PM »
The GOP needs to figure out why 5% of Georgians voted for Kemp but didn't vote for Walker. 

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« Reply #51 on: November 09, 2022, 03:10:57 PM »
Election fraud obviously.

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« Reply #52 on: November 09, 2022, 03:17:19 PM »
Another interesting thing happened in SD.

A voter approved amendment to have SD join the Medicare expansion, part of "Obamacare". Both the Gov and the  Republican controlled legislature opposed the plan but the people approved it.

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/south-dakota-approves-medicaid-expansion-144939848.html

I think most Republican politicians are realizing people like the ACA.

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« Reply #53 on: November 09, 2022, 03:28:08 PM »
They figured that out when they couldn't get majority to kill it outright.

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« Reply #54 on: November 09, 2022, 05:14:49 PM »
So I'm doing some figuring, and I'm fairly confident that the Republicans will pick up another 7 seats in the House.  That would give them a total pickup of seven, since they are sitting right at 213 now. 

So it appears that those who said there will not be a Red Wave(TM) were indeed correct.  It won't even be a Red Toilet Overflow(TM).  It's more like Hematuria 2nd Gonnorrhea.  The Crimson Drip(TM).  It's possible they pick up one or two more than that, like 8 or 9, but that doesn't even come real close to the earlier projections of 16/17. 

Uncle Joe will have lost the least number of seats in the House, during his first mid-term, than any Democratic President since Kennedy.  The last Republican President to lose as many seats during their first term would be HW Bush, who had his mid-term in the middle of the runnup to a war. 

That's pretty good for a guy who gets lost in the middle of his speeches and has a disapproval rating around 53-56%.  Apparently the only thing that sucks worse than an octogenarian Democratic President during massive inflation and losing a war is the Republican Party.  I'd hate to be a Republican in the House now.  Just waiting for the bloodbath of 2024.  I'd go independent. 

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« Reply #55 on: November 09, 2022, 05:29:46 PM »
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That's pretty good for a guy who gets lost in the middle of his speeches and has a disapproval rating around 53-56%.  Apparently the only thing that sucks worse than an octogenarian Democratic President during massive inflation and losing a war is the Republican Party.  I'd hate to be a Republican in the House now.  Just waiting for the bloodbath of 2024.  I'd go independent.

There is no bloodbath coming the other way either. Gerrymandering at its finest. Only 10%-15% of seats are competitive and Democrats need to win most to have the majority. 350+ seats are not flipping parties short of miracles or uniquely unqualified candidates (see Boebert).

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« Reply #56 on: November 09, 2022, 05:44:16 PM »
There is no bloodbath coming the other way either. Gerrymandering at its finest. Only 10%-15% of seats are competitive and Democrats need to win most to have the majority. 350+ seats are not flipping parties short of miracles or uniquely unqualified candidates (see Boebert).

If Gerrymandering actually worked they would only have to do it once.

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« Reply #57 on: November 09, 2022, 05:56:45 PM »
If Democratic leaders could manage to get out of their bubble long enough to get their heads out of their asses 2024 would not be a contest. I don't see that happening.

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« Reply #58 on: November 09, 2022, 06:18:00 PM »
As a resident of Wisconsin, let me assure you that gerrymandering works.

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« Reply #59 on: November 09, 2022, 06:23:44 PM »
If Democratic leaders could manage to get out of their bubble long enough to get their heads out of their asses 2024 would not be a contest. I don't see that happening.

As has been mentioned before, the only thing that keeps the Republican Party going is the Democratic Party. 

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« Reply #60 on: November 09, 2022, 06:40:13 PM »
At least from the looks of it there is one issue that both parties agree on. Biden called it and the pandemic is over. Covid is no longer an issue. In pictures of crowds for both Democrats and Republicans nary a mask is to be found. The anti-Trump headline amalgamator website Drudge Report has taken the Covid update information clean off of it. The media has run away from Covid coverage like it was a black on black crime. We'll see over the next couple of months whether or not that's the case. According to Bill Gates, there was a 95% chance we'd be fine but a 5% chance the virus could become a bigger problem.

I still have some ancestral peeps up in Pennsylvania and I wondered how the good people I know could have been so supportive of Fetterman unless I didn't know them as well as I thought. But the map shows I knew them plenty fine as they are small town folk, hamlet folk actually, and those areas went overwhelmingly for the Muslim candidate Trump supported, what would have been the first Muslim in the Senate, giving the lie by the way to how racist Trump supposedly is against Muslims. That's neither particularly here nor there except to say for people scratching their heads wondering how this could happen when so many of the people I know, know better, well it makes perfect sense unless you know a bunch of city slickers.

It was a well fought election. I noticed the Democrats with their hands in their back pockets ready to pull out and play the Russian interference card if they got hit by a red wave but since that didn't happen they are now all too casually sliding their hands away from there to save that for another election. Best to skip a couple of elections before playing that again anyway so it doesn't get too predictable.

So congratulations, I suppose. Now that Democrats have won they keep the responsibility of all the disasters they are causing.

And yes I know it's not technically over and early congratulations could be jinxing. Here's to hoping.

Cultural Reference:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukWEsIo8hH4

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« Reply #61 on: November 10, 2022, 09:27:54 AM »
So some Russians have admitted to interfering with US elections.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/russias-prigozhin-admits-interfering-u-115844580.html

So a buddy of Putin, sort of like Trump since they are such good friends, says he has and will continue to interfere with US elections.
I wonder which side they interfered for?

You should read Spycatcher, the book banned in Great Britain. Peter Wright was the real-life "Q" from the James Bond books. When he joined the British Intel communities, he was mustered in with a handshake agreement. He led the scientific parts of MI5 and MI6. He was forced to write an autobiography of his life after he retired, and the government reneged on their promise to provide for his retirement. Australia and the USA printed his books, but the UK was embarrassed by his commentary (all subjects already released). One of his points was how the USSR infiltrated his nation's government and even installed a Prime Minister whom they controlled.

There is no doubt that they would try to interfere with our elections. The telling point is that they are more favorable to Hillary, Obama, and Biden than to Trump. Anything they can do to block Trump and help their paid-off allies is to be expected.

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« Reply #62 on: November 10, 2022, 09:59:35 AM »
At least from the looks of it there is one issue that both parties agree on. Biden called it and the pandemic is over. Covid is no longer an issue. In pictures of crowds for both Democrats and Republicans nary a mask is to be found. The anti-Trump headline amalgamator website Drudge Report has taken the Covid update information clean off of it. The media has run away from Covid coverage like it was a black on black crime. We'll see over the next couple of months whether or not that's the case. According to Bill Gates, there was a 95% chance we'd be fine but a 5% chance the virus could become a bigger problem.

I still have some ancestral peeps up in Pennsylvania and I wondered how the good people I know could have been so supportive of Fetterman unless I didn't know them as well as I thought. But the map shows I knew them plenty fine as they are small town folk, hamlet folk actually, and those areas went overwhelmingly for the Muslim candidate Trump supported, what would have been the first Muslim in the Senate, giving the lie by the way to how racist Trump supposedly is against Muslims. That's neither particularly here nor there except to say for people scratching their heads wondering how this could happen when so many of the people I know, know better, well it makes perfect sense unless you know a bunch of city slickers.

It was a well fought election. I noticed the Democrats with their hands in their back pockets ready to pull out and play the Russian interference card if they got hit by a red wave but since that didn't happen they are now all too casually sliding their hands away from there to save that for another election. Best to skip a couple of elections before playing that again anyway so it doesn't get too predictable.

So congratulations, I suppose. Now that Democrats have won they keep the responsibility of all the disasters they are causing.

And yes I know it's not technically over and early congratulations could be jinxing. Here's to hoping.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukWEsIo8hH4

Good post. The election proved the point I raised in another thread. The dark money coming in from a few billionaires outspent the GOP grassroots fundraising by a total of about 12:1. On top of that, Anti-Trumpers like McConnell spent money on losers instead of on pro-Trump candidates. In Michigan, I saw hundreds of ads decrying Dixon as a crazy extremist, with no chance for her to respond. Unless you actually saw and heard her on Newsmax or Fox News, and only saw the complicit media's input, the conclusion was fore-ordained.

In Michigan, we did see more vote-scamming. https://republicbrief.com/here-we-go-again-suspicious-ballots-arrive-way-after-legal-deadline-in-detroit/

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The Gateway Pundit has exclusive video and photographic evidence that the City of Detroit in Michigan was collecting thousands of ballots significantly after the legal deadline in 2022. This video is from the Detroit Department of Elections at 2978 West Grand. Ballots are processed there, entering and exiting through the garage in the alley behind the building.”

Wetmore reported that there were a number of ballots being discovered at 11:30 PM on election night that went on until after 1 AM on Wednesday morning.

Photos on the Gateway Pundit site show the time stamps.

“Where did these ballots come from? Why are they arriving at the Detroit Bureau of Election so suspiciously late on election night? What could possibly account for so many ballots arriving so late?” Wetmore asked and went on in more detail:

Every Michigan ‘drop box’ is required to have a high-definition camera covering its location at all times. Michigan Patriots painstakingly examined the video from 2020 to determine how many legal votes could reasonably have been cast by dropping off ballots in the drop boxes, and the last hour of operation in 2020 the answer was about 100. The entire last day of operation showed that less than a thousand cast ballots by dropping them in ballot drop boxes. So there is no realistic way these observed ballots came from that source, and if they did not come from drop boxes, where did they come from?

Detroit/Wayne County is often the last jurisdiction to report their votes every election cycle. Republican activists have wondered whether that is a tactical decision so that they know how many votes are needed to suppress Republican votes for Senate, Governor, and for statewide proposals.

Every single case that was filed with the judicial system was thrown out without ever hearing the presentation of evidence. No Judge wanted to face the evidence collected by election integrity patriots who painstakingly documented eyewitness statements, video evidence, statistical evidence, and expert testimony showing that the 2020 election was systematically stolen.

They were told that widespread descriptions of alleged voter fraud were widespread misinformation and disinformation.

They were told that a thousand collected affidavits were irrelevant. That the observed crimes by election workers, including unlawfully expelling only Republican poll watchers, using COVID illegally to exclude election integrity officials, and illegally sending out mass absentee voter applications were unproven theories even though they were well-documented.

They were also told that a 3:30 AM van that arrived way past the 8PM legal deadline to collect ballots in 2020 was entirely normal. Many were even smeared and called ‘racists’ for just observing this voter fraud because so many major Democrat strongholds in Michigan happen to be places with a large black population.

Detroit can cheat the vote right in front of witnessing Republicans and nothing will be done about it. Gateway Pundit Publisher Jim Hoft was banned from Twitter for reporting the simple factual video of the late-night van delivery of illegal ballots.

It’s notable that the jurisdictions Democrats cheat in usually have a friendly Soros-tied district attorney, with a friendly United States Attorney, with hard-left federal judges, and a hard-left Secretary of State and state Attorney General. If you wanted to alert authorities to the fraud, you have to complain to people more likely to put you in jail for “spreading disinformation” than they are to take your complaint seriously. Every judge at every level of the state and federal judiciary has similarly shown complete disinterest and disdain for their role in preserving election integrity. A federal Detroit Obama judge even sanctioned nine attorneys who dared file cases related to election integrity last year.

One of the main reasons for voting against the Democrats is to secure election integrity - diametrically opposed to Biden's claim of attacking the democracy. (We are a constitutionally-limited Republic, after all.)

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« Reply #63 on: November 10, 2022, 10:01:07 AM »
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The telling point is that they are more favorable to Hillary, Obama, and Biden
Not sure who they are but Putin clearly hated, hated Hillary. And the Russian people as a whole appeared to have liked Trump but yes in GOP world everything is opposite unless it isn't'

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in their back pockets ready to pull out and play the Russian interference card
I didn't personally notice this as being in the wind other then the usual stories of foreign governments interfering but ok. Most Dem's I know accepted that interference happened in 2016 but likley did not overly influence the outcome. OMG they accepted the results, if begrudgingly and Hillary actually conceded. Funny how it was the GOP who did everything they could to avoid any investigation into any interference. Nothing to see here, lets move along yet can't investigate enough claims of election fraud when time and time again they come to not.  Again everything is opposite unless it isn't.

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« Reply #64 on: November 10, 2022, 10:02:05 AM »
But the Republican billionaires outspent the Democrat ones 2-1. See your thread about the money and the post there about the top donors.

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« Reply #65 on: November 10, 2022, 10:12:20 AM »
There is no doubt that they would try to interfere with our elections. The telling point is that they are more favorable to Hillary, Obama, and Biden than to Trump. Anything they can do to block Trump and help their paid-off allies is to be expected.

Did you come up with this one on your own?  Or did your operavnik tell you that? 

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« Reply #66 on: November 10, 2022, 10:14:34 AM »
Well it did take him 2 days to bring it up, so he must have been waiting for his marching orders from Headquarters.  It takes time to decode secret instructions from the Homeland.

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« Reply #67 on: November 10, 2022, 11:18:47 AM »
LOL!  Kinzinger is so thirsty for Boobear to lose.  He's just tweeting "Please" followed by a pic of her trailing Frisch by only 64 votes. 

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« Reply #68 on: November 10, 2022, 11:22:39 AM »
I am surprised that they have not asked for the counting to stop. I mean Election Day is over.  They should stop counting votes just like Trump said in 2020. Why are they still counting?  It must fraud. Colorado Republicans are finding votes to steal the election. I do not need any proof it is obvious.

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« Reply #69 on: November 10, 2022, 12:27:15 PM »
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In Michigan, we did see more vote-scamming. https://republicbrief.com/here-we-go-again-suspicious-ballots-arrive-way-after-legal-deadline-in-detroit/

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The Gateway Pundit has exclusive video and photographic evidence that the City of Detroit in Michigan was collecting thousands of ballots significantly after the legal deadline in 2022. This video is from the Detroit Department of Elections at 2978 West Grand. Ballots are processed there, entering and exiting through the garage in the alley behind the building.”

Wetmore reported that there were a number of ballots being discovered at 11:30 PM on election night that went on until after 1 AM on Wednesday morning.
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Have you not bothered to read what AG Barr had to say about these allegations in 2020?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPriOpIek0E

7 minutes into the video if you want to hear it.

Summary this is the process for Detroit. They collect ballots from each precinct and bring them into processing centers to count the votes.

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« Reply #70 on: November 10, 2022, 12:35:11 PM »
So they are collecting cast ballots? And this is illegal how?  I mean there is no evidence that people voted after the polls closed is there? You do know that it takes a while to collect and do the record keeping needed on site before ballots are taken in to be counted?

Did the Gateway Pundit go to any of the election sites in other areas of the state to see if ballots were being brought in after the polls closed? Probably not since that would have shown them that what was happening was normal and standard.

This has been the attack on Democracy that Trump has pushed. Normal, standard operations, that most people do not know about or normally see, are reported as being suspicious when they are not. Taking actions out of context or reporting them as being in a different context to try and prove fraud.

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« Reply #71 on: November 10, 2022, 12:51:21 PM »
So they are collecting cast ballots? And this is illegal how?  I mean there is no evidence that people voted after the polls closed is there? You do know that it takes a while to collect and do the record keeping needed on site before ballots are taken in to be counted?

Did the Gateway Pundit go to any of the election sites in other areas of the state to see if ballots were being brought in after the polls closed? Probably not since that would have shown them that what was happening was normal and standard.

This has been the attack on Democracy that Trump has pushed. Normal, standard operations, that most people do not know about or normally see, are reported as being suspicious when they are not. Taking actions out of context or reporting them as being in a different context to try and prove fraud.

That should be a good question, but you don't seem to understand your own position. The point made is that courts did not even look at evidence in 2020, and seem not to want to for the primaries or now. You cannot say what is normal and standard or whether anything is out of context or being incorrectly reported if they are never even looked at. The primary reason has been for lack of standing - but no one has explained why official poll watchers reporting violations lack standing. BTW, The money from Democrat super rich dwarfs the GOP fundraising that is based on grassroots giving. I know no one here did any deep diving at the two biggest Dem sources of revenue. Why don't you explain how Soros money got so many extreme DAs into their positions?

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« Reply #72 on: November 10, 2022, 12:56:18 PM »
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Yeah, the Biden economy is going great! The red wave this sets up may be historical

Oh boy was it ever. 

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The election process will be strengthened under Trump unless the Dems can destroy it before the Red Wave guts them.

I guess they have some extra time now? 

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Six more months of Bidenflation and economic destruction and the potential red wave that’s coming may change those restrictions.

I guess y'all gonna need more than Bidenflation.  Sad, really.

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After the MAL-raid fiasco, Trump moved up in the polls another 10 points over DeSantis. the Red Wave is more enthused than ever

They lost, that lovin feelin.   Ohhhh that loving feelin. 

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There will never be any DOJ investigation with results on Hunter unless the red wave takes control of the Legislative branch.

Roll Tide

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Thanks to the Dems biased polling, no one actually responds to poll-takers to the point no one can take results at face value. We'll see by the red wave in the next two weeks, won't we?

I wanna know, have you ever seeeen the wave??? 



This is why I can't have nice things. Bad karma. 

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« Reply #73 on: November 10, 2022, 12:57:28 PM »
Why don't you explain how Soros money got so many extreme DAs into their positions?

Roll Tide

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« Reply #74 on: November 10, 2022, 01:02:52 PM »
Why do you keep comparing the super rich to the grass roots? Why not compare super rich to super rich? Because that shows Republican super rich gave twice what Dems gave.

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« Reply #75 on: November 10, 2022, 01:04:30 PM »
The procedures in elections are looked at all the time, just not by the partisan hacks trying to tear down the system. That is why they are rejected with out hearing, because the election officials are able to show that nothing happened.

These sworn affidavits are by people who have no idea of what is supposed to happen.

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« Reply #76 on: November 10, 2022, 01:23:45 PM »
So they are collecting cast ballots? And this is illegal how?  I mean there is no evidence that people voted after the polls closed is there? You do know that it takes a while to collect and do the record keeping needed on site before ballots are taken in to be counted?

Did the Gateway Pundit go to any of the election sites in other areas of the state to see if ballots were being brought in after the polls closed? Probably not since that would have shown them that what was happening was normal and standard.

This has been the attack on Democracy that Trump has pushed. Normal, standard operations, that most people do not know about or normally see, are reported as being suspicious when they are not. Taking actions out of context or reporting them as being in a different context to try and prove fraud.

That should be a good question, but you don't seem to understand your own position. The point made is that courts did not even look at evidence in 2020, and seem not to want to for the primaries or now. You cannot say what is normal and standard or whether anything is out of context or being incorrectly reported if they are never even looked at. The primary reason has been for lack of standing - but no one has explained why official poll watchers reporting violations lack standing. ...

It was looked at by the DOJ and AG Barr. And you know what the conclusion was? It is all a bunch of BS.

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« Reply #77 on: November 10, 2022, 02:12:57 PM »
This is why I can't have nice things. Bad karma.

See?  Now Boobear is ahead 433 votes. 

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« Reply #78 on: November 10, 2022, 03:05:57 PM »
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BTW, The money from Democrat super rich dwarfs the GOP fundraising that is based on grassroots giving.
Well, this is true -- but only because, depending on your definition of "grassroots," less than a tenth of GOP funding comes from grassroots donations.

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« Reply #79 on: November 10, 2022, 06:42:28 PM »
Seems like a bunch of conservatives are starting to realize that the party has a Trump problem.

My guess is they’re praying for him to die suddenly in the next few minutes before the 2024 presidential heats up.

If he doesn’t then it’s going to get really interesting.

News Flash, most of them likely realized it a long time ago.

The problem they have is how many of their party processes work at the local/state level nationwide, and in particular state Primary races. This is also something that the Republicans are uniquely vulnerable to, the Dems have the same problem, as AOC attempted to leverage things to far less success on their end.

The "problem" is they've invested in both a First-past-the-post system for their primaries, and many other party organizational votes. Which means that when you have a race with more than 5 people running in it. (Such as in the 2016 Presidential Primary Race for republicans where they had over a dozen at the start) If the candidates are "compelling enough" for their relevant constituency it becomes really easy for a 20/20/20/20/20 type split to happen at 5 candidates.  6 way becomes 16.7/16.7/so on

Which is where Trump was a problem from the onset. He "had a following" prior to his political run, he brought that following with him into the Republican Party which initially excited the leadership as it brought in "new blood," all well and good, in theory. But when you're in a 10+ way primary race that is first past the post where you appealed to... say 8% of existing Republican primary voters, and brought in enough new people to the party to make it so you have a solid 21% of the primary vote in that state... Even though potentially 92% of the original membership(or 79% of the new membership total) would vote against that candidate, he became their candidate all the same--because of first past the post.

But because these people are new, energized, and highly involved in the local political process--something most "rank and file" members don't generally do. This creates a new problem. Local party chapters suddenly find that 30, 40, sometimes 50% of the people showing up to party organizational meetings/events are beholden to that guy, and very vocally so. Enough so that it potentially drives out anywhere from 5 to 15% of the previously active party members. Which means they now control the local(city/county) party offices, where they now begin to work their way into the statewide party positions, where you end up with things like the Wyoming GOP and some of the other nuttiness that has recently passed through the RNC.

(and also in this mix, there is the matter that the GOP also had its earlier round with the Tea Party less than a decade earlier, so while they may not fully "mesh" with Trump's goals or his devout followers(much like the governors of Virginia and Florida both try to avoid association with Trump), they also are more than happy to f--k the RNC and the National Party organization for the *censored* they pulled in 2012 and 2014. So you only really needed, say, 25% "pure trump" another 15% of "pure tea party" and another 15%-ish of local party officials who decided to hybridize between the two and the GOP of 2008 finds itself completely locked out of "their party" where the non-governmental levers of power are concerned.

But as Mitch McConnel, and every other National Level Republican is reliant on support from the RNC, which has been taken over by an unholy alliance of Trump and Tea Party types, it makes them very wary of going after Trump. Because going after Trump means the RNC is likely to come after them.

Or, at least it was, up until this past week. The Tea Party Faction is hopefully going to return to their senses and distance from Trump and his acolytes, which should help the non-trump portions of the GOP/RNC reconsolidate power, but it's going to take a couple years to work through. Although as Virginia attested to last year, and Florida this year, among a handful of other races. It is clear the Republicans can win without Trump. It is even more clear that Trump is a boat anchor for the party, not an asset.

However, the RNC is filled with Trump activists and party bylaws are likely to allow many of them to stick around for at least the better part of another year just yet. So it is going to be a difficult to turn the party around between now and when the Presidential Campaign season kicks off again. And the last thing the Republicans need is another Primary campaign season where Trump can hope for his opponents to weaken each other sufficiently that his base can carry him through the primaries.

It will be "interesting" to see what horse trading happens on the national stage between Republicans. Realistically, if they're serious about not having Trump on their ballot in 2024, they need to make sure there are no more than 2 people challenging Trump with any meaningful support/backing. Which means the politicians will have to do something which is very hard for most of them to do, stand aside and let somebody else run.

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« Reply #80 on: November 10, 2022, 06:48:32 PM »
The justification for the narrative is that this should have been a cake walk for the GOP. Almost all the historical indicators were against the Democrats. The GOP should not have suffered several high profile losses and should have easily taken the House and Senate.

This. The midterm election cycle was only going to train wreck for the Republicans this cycle if "the Republicans" were the ones to crash the train. And all indicators are that what caused the crash with factors that only existed because of one Donald Trump. He can try to blame shift all he wants, but this is entirely on "Team Trump" and their desire to prove they're the bestest ever. When it is clear a great many voters differ greatly with that point of view.

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« Reply #81 on: November 10, 2022, 06:53:33 PM »
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That's pretty good for a guy who gets lost in the middle of his speeches and has a disapproval rating around 53-56%.  Apparently the only thing that sucks worse than an octogenarian Democratic President during massive inflation and losing a war is the Republican Party.  I'd hate to be a Republican in the House now.  Just waiting for the bloodbath of 2024.  I'd go independent.

There is no bloodbath coming the other way either. Gerrymandering at its finest. Only 10%-15% of seats are competitive and Democrats need to win most to have the majority. 350+ seats are not flipping parties short of miracles or uniquely unqualified candidates (see Boebert).

Pretty much, incumbent advantage is huge. Unless the Democrats field a Presidential candidate with a lot more voter appeal than Joe Biden in 2024, a Republican who wins a House race in 2022 has to do something monumentally stupid to not be able to win re-election in 2024.

Of course, much the same applies if the Republicans don't manage to prevent Trump from running on their ticket in 2024. Democrats in office as of this last cycle will likely still be in their House seat in 2025 if they want it.

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« Reply #82 on: November 11, 2022, 02:08:12 PM »
I havn't been following the Wisconsin Senate race.  (I mean, it's fuggin Wisconsin).  I know plenty of people in Wisconsin care about what is going on in Georgia, but the people of Georgia just really don't think about Wisconsin. At all.  I think most Georgians think the Packers play somewhere in Minnesota. 

So Johnson/Barnes just doesn't get the media attention that Walker/Warnock gets.  But I found one individual in Atlanta who had a take on the race.  Brent Peabody, a foreign policy writer and Harvard grad student had this to say: 

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An unpopular but needed take-- Dems would have won this seat (Wisconsin Senate) if we nominated a mainstream Democrat who never wore an Abolish ICE shirt, or appeared on Russian state TV to trash America.  The irony is that progressives have (rightly!) lamented the need to rely on Manchin and Sinema to do stuff, and if they had stood down in Wisconsin, we wouldn't need to.
 

Personally, I've never heard of Mandela Barnes.  Or Sarah Godlewski. 

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« Reply #83 on: November 11, 2022, 02:22:25 PM »
I think, more accurately, Dems would have won if they hadn't had the audacity to nominate a black man from Milwaukee. The attack ads that inescapably blanketed the state were pretty blatant in their messaging. One quote -- which I'm citing verbatim, here -- that stuck with me was: "Mandela Barnes, he's not one of us. Can we really trust him to make the right choices?" Another great one, which ostensibly addressed Barnes' opposition to cash bail, was "Mandela Barnes stands with criminals and thugs. He doesn't stand with you."

Also, I think Barnes shot himself in the foot by not going after Johnson's more obvious weaknesses. Most of his criticisms centered on Johnson's support for the January 6th insurrection and his pro-life stance, but Wisconsinites are actually a lot more critical of hypocrisy. I think if he'd released ads pointing out that Johnson promised to only serve two terms but was running for a third after using his position to enrich himself enormously, or how he was widely regarded as one of the most reliable Russian assets in Congress, or how he'd failed to get even a single piece of legislation on behalf of the state passed in eight years, he'd have found a wider audience. The people who cared about abortion and treason were already not voting for Johnson; he needed to convince the low-information voters who didn't know and/or didn't understand why Johnson is generally considered one of the worst sitting Senators.
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« Reply #84 on: November 11, 2022, 04:58:00 PM »
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but Wisconsinites are actually a lot more critical of hypocrisy

This made me literally spit my water all over my keyboard.

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« Reply #85 on: November 11, 2022, 05:02:37 PM »
Taking a week to count votes should be a federal elections offense for each state's SOS and should be punishable by death by stoning or exile to the Amundson-Scott Station for life. 

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« Reply #86 on: November 11, 2022, 05:13:56 PM »
The thing about Wisconsinites, Lloyd, is that they're VERY disapproving of hypocrisy, but they're also very stupid. So you need to constantly remind them that it's happened.

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« Reply #87 on: November 11, 2022, 05:17:29 PM »
I think, more accurately, Dems would have won if they hadn't had the audacity to nominate a black man from Milwaukee.

I think it is even more accurate to say that he was simply running for the wrong party.  If he had run as a Republican and appeared on Russian TV, or wore a shirt that said "abolish the FBI", he would be a Republican star.  Still don't know if he would have won, though. 

Of course there is also the racism inherent in the 50,000 Democrats in Wisconsin who voted for Tony Evers but did not vote for Barnes. 

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« Reply #88 on: November 11, 2022, 05:28:04 PM »
You would not BELIEVE the amount of chatter that particular phenomenon has caused here in Wisconsin. No one knows someone who voted an Evers/Johnson ticket. Everyone I know has ASKED people if they voted an Evers/Johnson ticket, and no one admits to having done it. Journalists and pollsters are literally scouring the state trying to find these hypothetical Evers/Johnson voters, and no one can find anyone willing to own up to it. Some people are saying it's evidence of voter fraud, either in favor of Johnson or Evers. Others, like me, just assume that it's continued evidence that being an incumbent is apparently enough for idiots to vote for you.

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« Reply #89 on: November 11, 2022, 10:28:34 PM »
Why are they not listing Alaska as Republican?  I know they do not know who won, but a Republican is going to win since they are in first and second place for the ranked choice voting. Not sure why they just don't call it Republican.

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« Reply #90 on: November 12, 2022, 08:35:27 AM »
Ann Coulter has weighed in on Trump and the party and she is very clear.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/ann-coulter-blames-trump-gop-050902267.html

"Shut the *censored* up, forever."  Quite a turn of words. I wonder how she really feels.

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« Reply #91 on: November 12, 2022, 09:45:33 AM »
She is such a disappointment. Her big problem with Trump is that he didn't actually build a total Great Wall of America and stop illegal immigration almost 100%. She's the type of person they consider when they talk about "managing expectations". I would go so far as to blame or if you're on the other side call it credit maybe her for Trump losing the election. That may grant too much weight to her influence but with close elections like that one you never know. So is she happier now with Biden? Happier now with the border and illegal immigration as it is compared to how it was under Trump? Perfectionism like hers and politics like our country's don't mix and not being practical and realistic is a recipe for great disappointment both in the people like her who would rather burn it down than work with what you've got and disappointment in the results you end up getting as we are seeing with Biden compared to Trump. Trump didn't betray her by not building her Total Wall; she betrayed herself because of her hysterical nature.

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« Reply #92 on: November 12, 2022, 09:45:45 AM »
Having said that, she could be correct now that the best chance for Republicans of victory might actually be for Trump to pass the torch and fully get behind DeSantis. But she was absolutely wrong to turn on Trump before the last election. It all depends on if Trump can actually win or not if he runs. I have my doubts. There are too many lies about him in the media and too many people who believe them and the last time they didn't take him seriously and put the microphone in front of his mouth and the camera in his face every chance they got. This time around they won't give him that free coverage. People won't be able to know what he actually says and instead the media will twist and lie about it while only giving the information secondhand. They'll do the same with any Republican candidate but with Trump their 'roid raged hate is literally violently out of control as we saw with the media - Democrat collusion in the incitement of the months long deadly anti-Trump Covid spreading during a lockdown Black Lives Riots.

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« Reply #93 on: November 12, 2022, 09:45:50 AM »
Cherry

The issue is Trump will not do what is best for the Republicans since he is not a Republican. He is a Trumpist. He will not put Party first since he only sees himself first.

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« Reply #94 on: November 12, 2022, 10:13:44 AM »
People can be disappointing. If he does that in the way that many fear I would be disappointed in him too. But whatever happens if he ends up being the primary winner even if he burns it all down the way he did last time to accomplish it, at that point the choice is binary and if Republicans ride to the election on their high horse and don't vote for him it's over because the Democrats have proven, twice now, they will vote for a cabbage if he's their nominee.  Trump lost because of the never Trumpers like McCain and Romney and now Coulter and their whole crowd who took his personal insults personally or got hysterical about him not being the all powerful messiah of their fantasies and then put their, sorry to be so indelicate but the best words in the common vernacular of the day is butt hurt, so they put their butt hurt above their own stated positions on issues.

In the end, the best thing for Republicans is victory. Trump has already proven that with the Supreme Court. No matter what Trump didn't accomplish, Hillary also wouldn't have accomplished it and would have made a mess of things just like Biden but also the Supreme Court would be a disaster for conservatives right now. Ann Coulter and the never Trumpers should reflect on that and give it serious consideration.

Now who gives us our best chance for that victory at this point going into the primary is a fair subject for deliberation. I guess the main thing is no matter who it is get behind them, especially if it's not Trump. But also especially if it is Trump. And if it's not Trump then if he tries to destroy conservatives by going third party and not getting behind the nominee, at that point I'd have to turn on him too. But we're not there yet. That would be the real test of Trump's mettle. So far I believe he does believe he's doing what's best for America. He'll keep trying and maybe even win again. I think DeSantis probably has the better shot though. They both need to make their cases and listen to the people.

If it is Trump he's got a high hurdle to clear with the misperception that the media and Democrat lies have placed in the minds of almost half of the American people. The only way I see that happening is if Biden keeps doing what he's doing, destroying the quality of life for Americans so totally that people say man, normally I'd vote for a cabbage over a Republican but this time I just can't even because it's so bad. But if it didn't happen this time it's hard to imagine how much worse Biden has to make things for it to happen next time. Almost apocalyptical.

And we may even become a victim of our own success if we take the House and that prevents the agenda of Biden's string pullers from becoming a total reality. Then people will look around and say oh it's not so bad, not even realizing or crediting the brakes the Republicans put on the Biden train that saved us from it steaming over a cliff.

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« Reply #95 on: November 12, 2022, 10:40:36 AM »
The difference is that Don the Wallbuilder PROMISED to build a wall, and then said he was going to have Mexico pay for it.  It was the center piece of his early campaign and is specifically the reason why he catapulted to the lead over all the other establishment candidates in late July and early August of 2015.  It was what made L'Orange.  Nobody else was stupid enough to promise to build a wall or that Mexico would pay for it.  Nobody else really considered immigration, illegal or otherwise, to be a major campaign issue in 2016.  Nobody else could lie like Il Don.  He noted a discrepancy between a fringe in the Republican party and the other candidates, and he inserted himself into that empty space.  He played to a particular crowd, not pointing any fingers here, who bought into the entire manufactured threat of the "hordes" and "caravans" and how it was going to destroy the fuggin country.  That was his big hook. 

So they guy gets himself elected by lying and promising things that no intelligent candidate would promise because they know they couldn't deliver or because they know the problem is mostly manufactured and not a huge priority, but hey it's okay, because Uncle Joe is WORSE.  But according to the numbers Uncle Joe is apprehending and expulsing far more illegal immigrants in 2021 than Lord Wallbuilder did in 2019.  All trends point to the total number of illegals in the US has been steadily dropping since 2007. 

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« Reply #96 on: November 12, 2022, 11:20:29 AM »
Grant

Fake news. Don't you listen or watch Fox? There are millions upon millions of criminals entering the US every day, some as young as 1-2 years old (criminals all of their lives). Every single one of them a hardened gang member bent on robbery, rape and mayhem.

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« Reply #97 on: November 12, 2022, 11:24:51 AM »
Fake news. Don't you listen or watch Fox?

I'm waiting for my onanism to finally cause blindness before I start listening to Fox.  After all, I can read.  I hate to let all those words and actual research go to waste. 

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« Reply #98 on: November 12, 2022, 11:40:38 AM »
"...their whole crowd who took his personal insults personally..."
Imagine that.

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« Reply #99 on: November 12, 2022, 01:44:47 PM »
Well, the Trumpinistas have begun to circle their wagons for Il Don.  Of course the NatCs were going to.  Plus those who apparently sold their souls for their seats.  JD Vance.  Kari Lake though she hasn't won yet.  The hard core alt-right.  Bannon and Crowder and Gorka.  The Trumpinistas.  Anybody heard from Giuliani?  Or has he finally thrown himself into the East River?  Monoterpine Glycoside.  The regulars. 

McCarthy hasn't mentioned Hiz Mighty Geniusesness once yet.  Goes on to do an interview on Fox with tool Jesse Watters saying how he offers to work with Uncle Joe while a big chyron under talks about investigating the Biden family.  The time is running out on the last time he kissed a ring.  Already the Freedom Caucus (IE the NatCs) want to force McCarthy to make some rule changes and promise their star chambers and impeachments.  Crap that McCarthy probably knows is useless and will hurt them in 2024 but whatever. 

The knives have definitely come out for Cocaine Mitch.  Thirsty and Flash have already called for a postponement of leadership elections.  I'm not quite sure why.  Even with Walker and Laxalt joining their little band of raiders, they probably couldn't muster more than 15 votes against Cocaine Mitch.  The rest of the Senate Republicans are not stupid and have some dignity. 

I'm just glad that elections only happen every 2 years and the rest of the time I don't have to pay attention to this stuff and focus on real things.  The circus is nonstop in DC, but it's just a show.