Paul Pelosi got hammered ... again.

[Crunch]

Fresh off his guilty plea to the DUI, Paul has another "incident" where he got hammered. We are still early in the fog of media - too early to derive conclusions about what really happened here.

What we do know:

• A little after 2 AM, someone requested a welfare check at the Pelosi home.
• 911 operators had Paul on the phone - during the attack, he asked to go to the bathroom and that's where he keeps the charger for his phone (as I assume every single one of us does). It was during that conversation that Pelosi informed the operator, His name is David. He is a friend.
• Police arrive and an unknown person opens the front door.
• At that point, police observe Pelosi (having inexplicably left the safety of the bathroom) and David DePape, both clad only in their underwear (I would add that the level of dress is conflicting now), seemingly fighting over a hammer.
• Upon seeing police, DePape then assaulted Pelosi.
• Police broke it up and sent both to the hospital for treatment for their injuries.

OK, so that's what I know now about this incident. It may all change at any moment. What do we currently know about DePape?

• DuPape is pretty much considered a loon, deep into drug-induced mental illness according to people that knew him. His girlfriend is quoted as saying DePape thought he was actually Jesus for about a year.
• He lived in what is commonly referred to as a hippie commune that sported BLM signs, Pride flags, and marijuana signs.
• He is a nudist activist.
• He is known to abuse illegal drugs.

I'm certain more details will emerge. Right? SFPD has, I am led to believe, 30 days in which to release body cam footage. We should see that within a few weeks. Also, the Pelosi's are massively wealthy, they certainly have security footage that they can release at any time to help corroborate the story. With that footage, we should be able to answer a lot of the questions but I have a few others:

• What time did Paul get home that evening?
• Who requested the welfare check? Or is that just getting confused with Paul's call to 911?
• Where did Paul spend the evening if not at home?
• How did DePape get to the Pelosi residence? Walk? Uber? What?
• How did DePape enter the grounds and force entry into the home? The early images coming from the Pelosi home show the glass blowing about 5 feet out and away from the home. I'd like to see how that spray occurred and we should on security cam footage.
• Who's hammer were they fighting over?
• Who opened the door for police and what was their role in all this?
• Were either DePape or Pelosi under the influence of anything?

If I had to put money on it, this story will get breathless coverage for a few more days, perhaps until the election next week if the media thinks they can get away with portraying DePape as a conservative. After that, it will be memory-holed. This story will disappear as quickly as a Las Vegas shooter or a Nashville bomber.

[rightleft22]

Humanity sucks at parsing  information, and in this 'information age' their just isn't the time to hold off commenting on a event to evaluate what happened and make it a informed one.   

[Wayward Son]

Where did you get this crap, Crunch?  Alex Jones' Info Wars? 

[msquared]

Lets see what the police say.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/goes-full-conspiracy-theorist-paul-172916180.html

Don't listen to what the actual criminal says he wanted to do.

DePape himself essentially debunked the conspiracy theories in his conversations with law enforcement agents after the incident took place, according to an FBI summary released on Monday. DePape told police he wanted to hold Nancy Pelosi hostage and break her kneecaps, adding that he viewed the speaker “as the ‘leader of the pack’ of lies told by the Democratic Party.”

I agree. I think Crunch has been spending too much time on InfoWars and buying Brainpower Powder to help Alex out.

[msquared]

And the problem is even when the evidence comes out that goes against the narrative that Crunch is pushing, he will say that Pelosi and her cronies buried the real info and that there was a coverup. Just like election fraud, the lack of any real evidence is evidence of the fraud is the evidence of the fraud.

[rightleft22]

When you reason that facts and proof is evidence of the opposite where is thier room to debate?
Until that reasoning is applied against the individual that profess it I see no hope of balance being restored. History clearly demonstrates its only a matter of time that such reasoning so loudly support is always turned on those that supported it. 
 
I accuse you of stealing, my lack of proof is proof, off to jail with you. I win. Wining is what mattes.... Those arguing with that reasoning don't seem to understand what kind of world they are driving towards.

[Tom]

https://twitter.com/MattGertz/status/1586740957000728577

[TheDeamon]

https://twitter.com/MattGertz/status/1586740957000728577

So he's looking like a prior extreme lefty who may had recently been "red pilled" and snapped in the process.

I could swear this has been discussed in here in the past.

[TheDeamon]

I'd also like to point out that the conservatives that have not rioted in the past 50 years were people who voted for and generally supported people like Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Bush I, Dole, Bush II, McCain, and Romney.  You probably did not see many people who voted for Romney in 2012 at the riot on Jan 6.  But you did see lots of people who voted for His High Holy Builder of Walls.  That's another thing that makes it unique and thus defines it.  The fact that for 50 years conservatives by definition generally did not riot, but suddenly people who say they are conservatives are rioting because of.......  I don't know.  It's a mystery, right?

Would be an interesting study. But I think you might be surprised on what you find. Brandon Straka was one of the participants in the January 6th riot. I think he was previously discussed in here for #walkaway (from the Democratic Party) in the 2017 time-frame. He was a Democratic voter prior to 2016, and he probably had a lot of #walkaway friends there who were "Obama Democrats" in attendance as well. (Sadly it seems he fell into an extremist echo chamber) But what happened in his case actually isn't that unique, during 2020 there were some people (including Tim Pool) who were taking note "radical right wingers" seemed to have a disproportionate amount of representation coming from people who claim to have identified as Democrats or "Liberals" in the past... In other words, the conservatives from pre-2012 didn't really move. What you saw happen was a bunch of people move from being politically left of them to being what is generally considered to be to political "right" of them. In some respects, I guess we could potentially call this a quasi "born again" effect for those who've ever had occasion to deal with the "Born Again Christians."

Decent odds you'd also find a lot of the people who were involved in that event that weren't "reformed liberals" either didn't vote (even when able) in most of the presidential election cycles since 1992. Although some of the older ones may have started voting again in 2010 with the Tea Party... But I'd tend to bet a substantial portion of that group subsequently didn't vote in at least 3 of intervening federal election cycles in between... So largely people who were outside of the political system until a wave of populism under Trump caused them to re-engage with the system in the dysfunctional way that is all too common with movements involving populist leaders(To be clear: Obama was a populist as well, just on the other side of the political spectrum).

Thought so, see underline above for the more specific portion.

Once their information bubble is pierced, their world falls apart, and it's a short hop onto the express train into crazy town.

The political left needs to come out of its safe spaces, they're endangering the rest of society.

[TheDeamon]

Once their information bubble is pierced, their world falls apart, and it's a short hop onto the express train into crazy town.

The political left needs to come out of its safe spaces, they're endangering the rest of society.

On a bit of further thought. There is something that the situation of many of these former lefties turned insane right-winger.

They're people who were, for all intents and purposes, members of a cult. At least for how they had built their world around their left-wing views. And from what little I do understand about things for people that have escaped from the clutches of a cult(by whatever means, up to and including the cult being shutdown), is that they normally need considerable help "returning to the normal world." Help these people are not getting after they've had their "red pill moment" ....

Which means they do something that more than few rescued cultists have done. They escaped one, only to turn around and walk right back into another (different) one. Welcome to Q-Anon and those other whacky right-wing groups. Population: Mostly former disillusioned self-professed liberals that just left the Democratic Party.

They need help, but from anyone but the Democrats.

[cherrypoptart]

On the radio they said, though it may be fake news, but they said that apparently he's an illegal.

There have also been a number of hammer attacks particularly in the New York City subway system and though they did get some attention they didn't get anything like this level of concern from Democrats.

The idea that this is worse because it might be political is an insult to all the other people who got hit in the head by a crazy hammer wielding nutso.

[TheDeamon]

There have also been a number of hammer attacks particularly in the New York City subway system and though they did get some attention they didn't get anything like this level of concern from Democrats.

The idea that this is worse because it might be political is an insult to all the other people who got hit in the head by a crazy hammer wielding nutso.

Obviously the way to fix the problem of these rampant hammer attacks is a sweeping federal hammer control program with mandatory background checks with a 3 day waiting period, and licensing in order to use one, after demonstrating you have a justifiable need of a hammer of course.

[Wayward Son]

Well, thanks for taking all the insane lefties from us.  That explains why the left is so much saner these days, compared to the right.

Sorry about them taking over, though.   You really ought to do something about that sometime.

Of course, then who would you have left to lead you? 

[Tom]

I find it interesting that someone can be so partisan that even as he bemoans the state of his own party, he still finds a way to blame it on the other team.

[msquared]

Boy did Crunch get a lot wrong.

https://currently.att.yahoo.com/att/shocking-details-blow-conspiracy-theories-224734505.html?.tsrc=daily_mail&uh_test=1_11

Mirandized statement of the guy who did it. Answers a bunch of Crunch's questions but that will not matter.

[rightleft22]

On the radio they said, though it may be fake news, but they said that apparently he's an illegal.

There have also been a number of hammer attacks particularly in the New York City subway system and though they did get some attention they didn't get anything like this level of concern from Democrats.

The idea that this is worse because it might be political is an insult to all the other people who got hit in the head by a crazy hammer wielding nutso.

Curious as to why anyone feels the need to pass along 'information' that they haven't verified AND suspect could be false. The Loaded question that isn't a question, just invites doubt and permission to avoid the real issue

speaking of Loaded Questions I don't recall Republican's shout out about all the hammer attracts that take place does that mean they are ok with hammer attacks?  Sure your argument 'proves' Democrats who are just hypocrites on the subject while the GOP stands firm by not giving a *censored*.

The idea of being insulted on behalf of those that have been hit on the head with a hammer is... but Really you don't the difference... A person who is villainized and threatened daily family is attract but lets not examine that, we might find ourselves accountable.  No this is just the same as any attack on a person with a hammer, nothing to see here, don't look at me to change my behavior.  Oh have you heard, this may be fake news, but someone said it so...  Trump apparently enjoys getting his junk stepped on

[Crunch]

Where did you get this crap, Crunch?  Alex Jones' Info Wars? 

Mulitple media outlets. You should get your information from more than just NPR.   

[Crunch]

Boy did Crunch get a lot wrong.

https://currently.att.yahoo.com/att/shocking-details-blow-conspiracy-theories-224734505.html?.tsrc=daily_mail&uh_test=1_11

Mirandized statement of the guy who did it. Answers a bunch of Crunch's questions but that will not matter.

Actually, the details I put above are mostly corroborated  - you didn't read the story you linked, did you? Have you figured how this is Trump's fault yet? LOL

One thing you may want to notice, I said it's too early to derive conclusions about what really happened here. Guess what, my little conspiracy nut, it's still too early.

[Crunch]

On the radio they said, though it may be fake news, but they said that apparently he's an illegal.

I believe it has been confirmed that he is in the US illegally - a Canadian that waaaay overstayed his visa.  I suppose this means he should get a free pass like the other illegals. Right?

[Crunch]

In none of the stories you guys are so sure is accurate to the finest detail does it answer my questions.

What time did Paul get home that evening?
Who requested the welfare check? Or is that just getting confused with Paul's call to 911?
Where did Paul spend the evening if not at home?
How did DePape get to the Pelosi residence? Walk? Uber? What?
How did DePape enter the grounds and force entry into the home? The early images coming from the Pelosi home show the glass blowing about 5 feet out and away from the home. I'd like to see how that spray occurred and we should on security cam footage.
Who's hammer were they fighting over?
Who opened the door for police and what was their role in all this?
Were either DePape or Pelosi under the influence of anything?

[Crunch]

On the radio they said, though it may be fake news, but they said that apparently he's an illegal.

There have also been a number of hammer attacks particularly in the New York City subway system and though they did get some attention they didn't get anything like this level of concern from Democrats.

The idea that this is worse because it might be political is an insult to all the other people who got hit in the head by a crazy hammer wielding nutso.

Curious as to why anyone feels the need to pass along 'information' that they haven't verified AND suspect could be false. The Loaded question that isn't a question, just invites doubt and permission to avoid the real issue

Are you serious?!?! I mean, really? Why would they do it? Come on.

A person who is villainized and threatened daily family is attract but lets not examine that, we might find ourselves accountable.  No this is just the same as any attack on a person with a hammer, nothing to see here, don't look at me to change my behavior. 

Are you taking about Pelosi or Kavanaugh? Maybe Scalise or Paul?

[Tom]

I said it's too early to derive conclusions about what really happened here.

Then it's probably best to shut the *censored* up, don't you think?

[Crunch]

So he's looking like a prior extreme lefty who may had recently been "red pilled" and snapped in the process.

That is the case. His "partner" says she was a hardcore Pelosi supporter and that DePape was left of even that.

Another question I have .... what has Depape been doing the last year or so? Where did he do and what did he get into that reversed 20+ years of hard-core extremist left-wing ideology? Dude's a nutter so it'll be hard to be sure what drove him but it would be interesting to know.

Here another question I have. He's supposed to be this converted conservative assassin and that is based largely on "his" blogs. Blogs that did not exist only 2 months ago and were only made public last Friday (again, we're in the fog so details may change). The blog entries had zero viewers and zero comments and consisted of a headline with sometimes a picture or 1-2 lines of text. The blog was taken offline Saturday. I wonder how that blog was registered in his name with clearly bogus addresses/contact info and how he paid for its registration.

[Crunch]

I said it's too early to derive conclusions about what really happened here.

Then it's probably best to shut the *censored* up, don't you think?

Cry more.

[cherrypoptart]

And it means that when the Democrats wonder aloud what could have been done to stop this attack instead of going to their first instinct of restricting free speech especially if it's political against speech against the left what they could have done was enforce our immigration laws instead of offering this guy a sanctuary city. Uphold the law instead of attack the Constitution. That would have stopped this attack along with many other hammer attacks by people who should have been taken off our streets a long time ago because of their many violent violations of the law.

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/suspect-arrested-in-manhattan-subway-hammer-attack-charged-with-hate-crime/3591873/

"Suspect Arrested in Manhattan Subway Hammer Attack, Charged With Hate Crimes

Sources told NBC New York that the suspect has more than 30 arrests in his criminal history"

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/02/26/us/new-york-subway-hammer-attack/index.html

https://nypost.com/2022/03/30/nyc-subway-hammer-attack-victim-breaks-silence-wants-bail-reform-undone/

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I fully support taking this guy who attacked Nancy's husband off the street for decades not for whatever he posted which the Democrats seem to think is the main offense but for hitting someone in the head with a hammer, just like a lot of other violent criminals are doing all over the place. That should be the priority concern. And then in this case deport him. I wonder though what do the Democrats think should be the outcome here and why. Jail for life but maybe but not because of the hammer but instead for his politics while the other hammer guys get the kid gloves because they never posted anything online? That seems about the size of it and frankly it's disappointing.

[Tom]

I'm not crying, Crunch. I just think you're being an enfant provocateur and, frankly, more than a little disingenuously idiotic. I know you're consistently posting in bad faith, here, so I don't expect any better from you, but I'd like to avoid having you get disillusioned with your current thought leaders and suddenly waking up a hardcore tankie and SJW.

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what they could have done was enforce our immigration laws

This is a profoundly stupid take, cherry. Are you suggesting that we should reduce hammer attacks against congresspeople and their spouses by kicking Canadians on expired visas out of the country?

(As a side note: I would argue that it is not hypocritical for people to focus more on a politically-motivated attack on a sitting politician than on a couple other random acts of violence. Remember how rapidly Congress moved to protect SCOTUS from, God forbid, peaceful protests?)

[cherrypoptart]

"Are you suggesting that we should reduce hammer attacks against congresspeople and their spouses by kicking Canadians on expired visas out of the country?"

So far there has been exactly one such attack and it was done by an illegal Canadian so it he had gotten deported this attack could have been prevented. So basically yeah. Nancy and her husband support the sanctuary city policy that harbored him so at least in this case they were hoisted by their own petard.

[cherrypoptart]

"Here another question I have. He's supposed to be this converted conservative assassin and that is based largely on "his" blogs. Blogs that did not exist only 2 months ago and were only made public last Friday (again, we're in the fog so details may change). The blog entries had zero viewers and zero comments and consisted of a headline with sometimes a picture or 1-2 lines of text. The blog was taken offline Saturday. I wonder how that blog was registered in his name with clearly bogus addresses/contact info and how he paid for its registration."

I don't want to go all tin-foil hat on that but I just saw that exact scenario in Homeland. They had whole buildings full of people just making up social media profiles. And there's always the possibility that this guy hated Nancy because he thinks she's too far to the right. Now he does have some stuff attributed to the supposed right wing but there are plenty of leftists who fly with those birds as well. Anti-Jewish. 9-11 truthers. The right doesn't have a monopoly on all of the ideas the left wants to pin them with.

[Tom]

it was done by an illegal Canadian so it he had gotten deported this attack could have been prevented.

It's amazing how that logic holds up when you apply it to, well, absolutely anything. "Think of how many incidents of cannibalism could have been prevented if we just put everyone named Dahmer in jail at birth!"

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So you're suggesting that two months ago, someone decided to crack the skull of Nancy Pelosi's husband to make people disappointed in increasingly violent right-wing rhetoric and framed a leftist loser by faking some blog entries?

Yeah, you definitely don't want to go all tin-foil hat on that, I agree.

[rightleft22]

Are you taking about Pelosi or Kavanaugh? Maybe Scalise or Paul?

I can, without any hypocrisy, say that I find threats of violence and vilification of anyone by any form of media abhorrent. And if someone targeted in this manner, a Pelosi or Kavanaugh, and is attacked  or family member is attacked. I'd want the attacker to be investigated and the law applied. I would also expect those media outlets that may have, even if unintentionally (benefit of the doubt) contributed to the messaging to take a good long hard look at themselves and the role they may have played.

I am also willing to wait for the investigation to conclude and the information made public before pretending I know stuff that I don't really know at all.

Can you say the same?
 

[cherrypoptart]

"So you're suggesting that two months ago, someone decided to crack the skull of Nancy Pelosi's husband to make people disappointed in increasingly violent right-wing rhetoric and framed a leftist loser by faking some blog entries?"

When you put it like that... I concede that point. It was just interesting that Homeland had something similar, not quite the same though in any case.

But the left does the same thing and worse, says the same and worse with even more violent results than this, deadly results, and yet they never once ask themselves if maybe they should tone down the vitriol of their rhetoric. It's a bit too convenient, contrived, and predictable. Never let an incident go to waste.

[Tom]

says the same and worse with even more violent results than this

I'm going to dispute this.

[rightleft22]

"So you're suggesting that two months ago, someone decided to crack the skull of Nancy Pelosi's husband to make people disappointed in increasingly violent right-wing rhetoric and framed a leftist loser by faking some blog entries?"

When you put it like that... I concede that point. It was just interesting that Homeland had something similar, not quite the same though in any case.

But the left does the same thing and worse, says the same and worse with even more violent results than this, deadly results, and yet they never once ask themselves if maybe they should tone down the vitriol of their rhetoric. It's a bit too convenient, contrived, and predictable. Never let an incident go to waste.

Ok the left is worse and should do better, you win. Now thier is no excuse for your tribe to do some soul searching and work to do better and set a example of how we ought to behave.

[cherrypoptart]

> says the same and worse with even more violent results than this

"I'm going to dispute this."

There was the rash of police officer assassinations going around culminating in five being murdered in Dallas as a result of the anti-police rhetoric coming from Democrats. Throw in the months of Black Lives Matter riots along with dozens of deaths and billions in damage and you've got yourself a progressive party.

Now I said the rhetoric was vitriolic. I didn't say Democrats didn't believe it or that it wasn't true. They were accusing the police of systemic racism and a campaign of murder against black  people; men, women, and children. The violence and murder against police as a direct response was predictable and even while it was happening there were no calls from the left to soften their tone.

[cherrypoptart]

"Now there is no excuse for your tribe to do some soul searching and work to do better and set a example of how we ought to behave."

I mean... honestly I don't have that kind of juice. People are just intense nowadays because there is so much at stake and they see the velocity of change taking their lives from bad to worse to total despair, and that's on both the left and the right. They are talking their own personal truth. The foundation in reality of that truth is debatable, and that's for both sides. But when feelings become truth what can you do? Can you tell people they aren't allowed to say it how they see it?

And if the standard is that you can't say something if it might cause a crazy person to do something violent, then there is hardly anything that anyone will be able to say at all.

[TheDeamon]

Ok the left is worse and should do better, you win. Now thier is no excuse for your tribe to do some soul searching and work to do better and set a example of how we ought to behave.

Not going to entirely disagree with this.

But it still stands that even if we're dealing with a "red pilled left-wing cultist" scenario here, the burden still ultimately falls on the political left for encouraging people to ensconce themselves into such fragile mental fortresses of solitude that once the walls are breached, they lash out before their new found "compatriots on the right" have a chance to even realize they exist, never mind try to assimilate them, or bring them back to reality.

Because the other "part of the problem" with the "Random redpill" event is that there is no conservative around to take note of the event and provide guidance(or even aware that active guidance is desperately needed by the person in question)... And since that former leftist cult member only "knows" the left-wing caricature of the political right, where do you think they're going to turn to learn more about "conservatives" now? The very people the left loves to portray Conservatives as being, when they're anything but.

Honestly, I felt the claim that leftism in the US being compared to a member of a cult was bad taste hyperbole. But it seems to be increasingly clear that it is too true for far too many people. Hopefully more conservatives wake up to that fact and start taking measures to address it. But for now we're still grappling with the huge wave of whack-jobs we received when Trump was ascendant back in 2016, nevermind the complete insanity that was 2020.

This is a problem created by left, perpetuated by the left, and sadly one the "right" was being somewhat willfully blind to. We're starting to catch on, but the deck is very strongly tilted against us because the last thing the left wants to do is mellow out on their caricatures.... Because they're too busy fighting with their newly "born again" right-wing counterparts previously from the left.

[Tom]

the burden still ultimately falls on the political left for encouraging people to ensconce themselves into such fragile mental fortresses

Ask me how surprised I am that you've somehow managed to reach this utterly predictable but entirely ridiculous conclusion.

[Crunch]

I'm not crying, Crunch. I just think you're being an enfant provocateur and, frankly, more than a little disingenuously idiotic. I know you're consistently posting in bad faith, here, so I don't expect any better from you, but I'd like to avoid having you get disillusioned with your current thought leaders and suddenly waking up a hardcore tankie and SJW.

Yeeessss, that's it. Your tears, they sustain me.

[Crunch]

Are you taking about Pelosi or Kavanaugh? Maybe Scalise or Paul?

I can, without any hypocrisy, say that I find threats of violence and vilification of anyone by any form of media abhorrent. And if someone targeted in this manner, a Pelosi or Kavanaugh, and is attacked  or family member is attacked. I'd want the attacker to be investigated and the law applied. I would also expect those media outlets that may have, even if unintentionally (benefit of the doubt) contributed to the messaging to take a good long hard look at themselves and the role they may have played.

I am also willing to wait for the investigation to conclude and the information made public before pretending I know stuff that I don't really know at all.

Can you say the same?

Absolutely, I can wait on the investigation results. That's been an obvious point I've made in multiple posts. But, that does not mean I cannot ask questions about what happened, look for clarity and understanding. You can take whatever NPR says and believe in without question, I have questions I'd like to see answered.

[msquared]

So you are asking questions, just like Tucker Carlson, right? Even after the answers are reported, you keep asking them.  Implying things by saying what is the harm in asking.

[rightleft22]

Yes it wasn't clear you were asking questions as genuine inquiry to finding the truth but it seemed the intent was to obscure  the truth.
If your intent was genuine inquiry then I apologize

[Crunch]

OK, new information.  Turns out the Pelosi's had a metric crap-ton of cameras around the house and those cameras were actively monitored by Capitol Police. Capitol Police had no idea anything unusual was going on until the lights from police cars became visible on the security system. How's that? They were miraculously unengaged at just the perfect moment - very similar to Epstein's demise. Let's see the recordings. They were made using taxpayer dollars and monitored by government employees, we have the right to see this.

I'm willing to accept that DePape made his way across town and through the entire security system around the residence without generating any interest whatsoever. It seems very unlikely but not impossible. Let's also accept the idea that it's possible that DePape, there on a "suicide mission" (the first of many planned apparently) simply let Pelosi wander around the house, to the bathroom, etc.  Dude was a loon, I can see that.  I will also accept the idea that during the struggle for the hammers, DePape or Pelosi called a time out, answer the door to police, then got back into position to call time in and complete the assault so that the police are witnesses. Maybe that is the way it went down.

Or, is it that a degenerate alcoholic like Paul Pelosi went out on the town while his wife was out? Hung out in the bars until closing time then brought home a guest for a "no loads refused" party (or whatever he's in to) where things escalated out of control? Maybe that is the way it went down.

Like the Jussie Smollett hoax, there are some things that just don't fit together yet.

• What time did Paul get home that evening?
• Who requested the welfare check? Or is that just getting confused with Paul's call to 911?
• Where did Paul spend the evening if not at home?
• How did DePape get to the Pelosi residence? Walk? Uber? What?
• How did DePape enter the grounds and force entry into the home? The early images coming from the Pelosi home show the glass blowing about 5 feet out and away from the home. I'd like to see how that spray occurred and we should on security cam footage.
• Who's hammer were they fighting over?
• Who opened the door for police and what was their role in all this?
• Were either DePape or Pelosi under the influence of anything?
• How did Capitol Police miss the entire event?

[Crunch]

So you are asking questions, just like Tucker Carlson, right? Even after the answers are reported, you keep asking them.  Implying things by saying what is the harm in asking.

Remember the Witmer kidnapping hoax? Sandman hoax? Jussie Smollet hoax? Bubba Wallace hoax? Duke lacrosse? On and on and on. How many of these do you need to go through before you start thinking it's prudent to ask a few questions? Maybe you don't care what's going on as long as it fits your narrative, lots of people in that boat. Doesn't mean asking questions implies anything.

And what is the harm in asking what's going on here? If there was a deranged dude on the loose in San Fran (the capital city of deranged) then we should take a hard look at how this dude was radicalized from a card-carrying green party member that was left of Nancy to a conservative assassin acting on orders from Donal Trump - I assume that's your take on all this since it's the point being made in the media.

[TheDeamon]

the burden still ultimately falls on the political left for encouraging people to ensconce themselves into such fragile mental fortresses

Ask me how surprised I am that you've somehow managed to reach this utterly predictable but entirely ridiculous conclusion.

Because creating what are essentially cultists is a good thing?

That's bad regardless of what their political slant might be.

Just because the mess is being dumped on my political doorstep doesn't mean I cannot fault the source of the issue even as I start to address what I can do for cleanup on my end of things.

[NobleHunter]

Yes it wasn't clear you were asking questions as genuine inquiry to finding the truth but it seemed the intent was to obscure  the truth.
If your intent was genuine inquiry then I apologize

Given all the editorializing, I think it's pretty clear genuine inquiry isn't the point.

[Crunch]

Yes it wasn't clear you were asking questions as genuine inquiry to finding the truth but it seemed the intent was to obscure  the truth.
If your intent was genuine inquiry then I apologize

I am genuine in my attempt to understand this. It's a fascinating story, just like the Smollett hoax was. I don't think we have a very good understanding at all about what happened here yet. The timing, only about 10 days before the election where it's looking likely the democrats may lose control of congress is just so convenient. A staged hail mary attempt? Maybe this attack went down for real and they're trying to make lemons out of lemonade? Maybe DePape is exactly what he seems, a deranged, drug addled, nutjob that managed to defeat security systems and was on the first of his dozen or so suicide missions. At this point, anything is possible.

[Crunch]

Yes it wasn't clear you were asking questions as genuine inquiry to finding the truth but it seemed the intent was to obscure  the truth.
If your intent was genuine inquiry then I apologize

Given all the editorializing, I think it's pretty clear genuine inquiry isn't the point.

Then you must have the answers to my questions! Don't keep me waiting, post'em up!

[NobleHunter]

Your ability to draw incorrect conclusions is astounding.

[yossarian22c]

Your ability to draw incorrect conclusions is astounding.

And transparently intentional.

[yossarian22c]

In none of the stories you guys are so sure is accurate to the finest detail does it answer my questions.
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How did DePape enter the grounds and force entry into the home? The early images coming from the Pelosi home show the glass blowing about 5 feet out and away from the home. I'd like to see how that spray occurred and we should on security cam footage.
Who's hammer were they fighting over?
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Here's an article that answers a couple of your questions.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/11/02/trump-watters-pelosi-glass/

DEPAPE stated that he broke into the house through a glass door, which was a difficult task that required the use of a hammer
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The officer in D.C. quickly pulled up additional camera angles from around Pelosi’s home and began to backtrack, watching recordings from the minutes before San Francisco police arrived. There, on camera, was a man with a hammer, breaking a glass panel and entering the speaker’s home, according to three people familiar with how Capitol Police learned of the break-in and who have been briefed on or viewed the video themselves.

So break in. Depape brought a hammer to break the glass. We can assume it was his hammer they were fighting over.

That blows away many of the crazy conspiracy theories presented. Most the rest of your questions are distractions and don't matter at all to what happened.