ERIC-Is the GOP really interested in stopping voter fraud?

[Mynnion]

I've been reading about this over the last week or so.  I found some vague conspiracy theories that ERIC was a tool of the left but nothing suggesting how the data was being manipulated or what purpose it would have.  WIKI describes it as:

ERIC's technical staff matches that data against data from all the other member states and Social Security death data. ERIC identifies voters who have moved, voters who have died, and voters with duplicate registrations within a state's database.

The GOP is constantly mentioning dead voters or voters from other states.  How are they going to monitor this information that seems critical to catching fraud without a system that produces the information?  Does the GOP really care about voter fraud or is it just lip service to provide plausible deniability when a candidate loses?

https://www.npr.org/2023/03/06/1161374479/electronic-registration-information-center-eric-florida-missouri-west-virginia

[msquared]

Obviously lip service.  Just look at AZ.  10,000 hours spent looking into election fraud claims and almost 0 examples of real fraud. The real frauds are Trump/Lake/Fincham et al.

[yossarian22c]

Mark Meadows just wants to make sure he can register and vote in multiple states.

[yossarian22c]

The worst part is there are real things we should do to ensure election security. Basically scantron with risk limiting auditing is about as good as it gets. More technology doesn't help. But the voting/tech companies make a lot more money off the touch screen voting computers, so they tend to form corrupt relationships with the people purchasing the equipment. But we should all still be voting the way we took the SAT decades ago.

[NobleHunter]

Canada/Ontario still uses some variation on paper and pencils. Though our elections are usually much less complicated than yours. We only vote for one position in federal and provincial elections and I think only 3 or 4 in municipal elections (mayor, councillor, school board trustee, plus maybe something else?).

[yossarian22c]

Canada/Ontario still uses some variation on paper and pencils. Though our elections are usually much less complicated than yours. We only vote for one position in federal and provincial elections and I think only 3 or 4 in municipal elections (mayor, councillor, school board trustee, plus maybe something else?).

My local county still uses Scantron. But the push for new voting systems in some places is to push away from that and it is all money driven. America's elections are messed up by primaries and gerrymandering. That is a much tougher nut to crack than anything around election security. Election security is probably more at risk from the crazy right wing who are running off good election officials and trying to take their place than any technology or policy. If the "insiders" believe that the other side commits fraud with no evidence to back it up they are more likely to do things like not certify the election or throw out ballets cast for the wrong candidate. Obviously any votes for a Democrat must be fraudulent.

[TheDrake]

The worst part is there are real things we should do to ensure election security. Basically scantron with risk limiting auditing is about as good as it gets. More technology doesn't help. But the voting/tech companies make a lot more money off the touch screen voting computers, so they tend to form corrupt relationships with the people purchasing the equipment. But we should all still be voting the way we took the SAT decades ago.

Yeah because people filling out ovals with a number 2 pencil is flawless.

Touch screen, physical print, and scan is plenty safe.

[yossarian22c]

Ohio is out. Last month they were saying this. Now they’re leaving. The lack of caring about reality on the right has consequences.

Just last month, in an interview with NPR, LaRose called ERIC "one of the best tools that we have for maintaining the accuracy of our voter files."   

[yossarian22c]

https://www.npr.org/2023/04/05/1167971349/georgia-election-funding-ban

Georgia Republican lawmakers approved a measure last week that would outlaw local officials from seeking almost all third-party funding to help cover the costs of running elections.

GOP-led Arkansas recently enacted a similar ban on outside money in elections.

The bills are the latest in a series of measures passed by Republicans at the state level to crack down on outside funding in elections. Their efforts have been fueled in part by false claims about the 2020 election and come as election officials across the country complain about persistent funding needs.

Republicans want to underfund agencies. Ban philanthropists from filling the gap. Then they will make crazy conspiracy theories about why it took longer to count the votes. The solution here is for the state and federal government to fully fund elections. Privately funded government agencies probably aren't a great solution. But they are filling a needed gap.

[Pete at Home]

I've been reading about this over the last week or so.  I found some vague conspiracy theories that ERIC was a tool of the left but nothing suggesting how the data was being manipulated or what purpose it would have.  WIKI describes it as:

ERIC's technical staff matches that data against data from all the other member states and Social Security death data. ERIC identifies voters who have moved, voters who have died, and voters with duplicate registrations within a state's database.

The GOP is constantly mentioning dead voters or voters from other states.  How are they going to monitor this information that seems critical to catching fraud without a system that produces the information?  Does the GOP really care about voter fraud or is it just lip service to provide plausible deniability when a candidate loses?

https://www.npr.org/2023/03/06/1161374479/electronic-registration-information-center-eric-florida-missouri-west-virginia

The GOP is genuinely concerned with fraud and should be, for various reasons that I won’t go into here since I don’t know how long I can be here. Just say—look to Arizona.

However, the GOP needs to understand how the DNC is pulling unprecedented votes from, since the GOP can do the same thing:

I volunteered for Stacy Abrams in 2018 & had her software on my phone. Went door to door in rural Georgia. Finding out who lives where, who is committed to vote. Vote history.

Then there’s just a lot of ballot harvesting & delivery.

It should not be legal IMO. No one should need to be pestered into voting. But it’s legal, not fraudulent, & if the GOP WANTS TO WIN, they need to do it as well.

But they need to get police help or get security because of the Aunty Fascist militia.🥶

[msquared]

Pete

What evidence of fraud in AZ has been found?  Everything that I have seen says there is no evidence. Not the state run audits, not the Cyber Ninja's audits, not the 10,000 hours of invesitagtion by the Republican AG.  No evidence of mass voter fraud.

[Pete at Home]

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The GOP is genuinely concerned with fraud and should be, for various reasons that I won’t go into here

Takes a while to get through a stone wall.

No response to what I did say? 0/2

[msquared]

Ok I mean not sure why you wouldn't be here but you use AZ as an example of why the Republicans should be concerned about fraud with out giving evidence.

And the words "Vote harvesting" have a particular meaning.  And it is not what most Republicans think it is. Or what happened. You may not like it but if the law allows people to help shut ins and others to get their votes in and counted, I think we should all be for that.  With out mail in voting, or early voting, my Mom would not have voted Republican in the last 4 elections.

[Pete at Home]

I meant, look to Arizona because the resistance to discovery in my experience usually means someone is hiding something that will eventually come out. It’s like telling you the direction the sun’s going to come up. There’s no evidence of my theory at 2 in the morning. That’s all I want to say now. Look east for sunrise & to Arizona for voter fraud evidence that will come.

Your 2nd paragraph restates my point. Did you misunderstand me? Republicans need to understand it & imitate it. DNC isn’t going to all shut-ins & others that don’t want to vote, like people w warrants. Only the ones pledged to vote Democratic. So Republicans need to do their part too.

Btw, I thought that Stacey Abrams was cheated out of the election too, even though now that I’ve seen how “bail reform” works I’m glad we lost.   

[msquared]

There was resistance to the audits, at least the extra audits, becuase there was no evidence for fraud.  And that has been proven time and time and time again. And still people like Lindell and Lake say there was.  Every audit says no. 10,000 hours of investigation by the Repbulican AG says no. A audit that hand counted the votes, run by a hostile company says no.  What evidence will convince Lake and Lindell that there was no fraud? Apparently nothing.

Lindell even claims that in Idaho EVERY county had votes moved by the machines from Trump to Biden. EVERY county. Even the 4 counties that do not use any machines due to their small size. There they hand count paper ballots. And one of those counties even went back and recounted them. Found out Biden picked up 2 votes or something like that. So even in counties where no machines were used, and went for Trump, LIndell says the machines moved votes from Trump to Biden. NO proof will convince them.

[Tom]

Here in Wisconsin, the Republican-mandated audits found nothing but cost $7M in legal fees, paid mostly to one conservative law firm.

[Pete at Home]

Next time don’t change the rules at the last minute, throw out RNC poll workers, and move machines so only one works in the GOP area. That’s more than enough evidence to reasonably want an investigation. If they didn’t commit fraud then they went out of their way to elicit suspicions, which is just what I’d recommend the GOP do in retaliation next election. Turnabout is the only way to get both sides to want fair play

In 2018 my landlord hanged himself upstairs while I hired somebody to help me clean downstairs. Cops thought my cleaning was proof of foul play. If I’d been cleaning upstairs it might have been

[msquared]

Again, 10,000 hours of Republican investigation into these claims says they are false.  You do know that Republicans controlled the elections, I think, in all counties? Even Maricopa county was run by GOP election officials.

[Pete at Home]

Do you have any of that from a source that did not claim that Kyle Rittenhouse crossed state lines with an assault rifle to shoot three black men?

You know, non state media.

[msquared]

You mean other than the Cyber Ninjas report?  And of course the States AG is State sponsered, so I guess that is out, huh?

[Pete at Home]

No; the state is the state. I’m happy to hear what the state has to say, so long as it isn’t wearing the molding cut out face of what used to be a free press.