What do the Grammy's prove?

[TheDrake]

From the other thread, we got the remarkable phrase - "When you're literally fighting the Forces Of Darkness as proven by the Grammys?"

"as proven by the grammys", which returns one search result about the value of social media promotion.

The extra time and work you devote to social media marketing can reap huge benefits for your event, its sponsors, exhibitors and attendees as proven by the GRAMMYs.

Rewording with "The grammys prove"

‪The Grammys prove that no matter what race, sex, age, religion or body type, I have no idea who any of these people are‬

Once again the Grammys prove to be a total joke. Why do people even care about this farce of an event

With Louis C.K.’s Win, the Grammys Prove Again That Cancel Culture Doesn’t Exist

the Grammys prove once again that they are the awards show that can't be beat.

So it isn't unique to claim that the Grammys are capable of proving something.

So what about "forces of darkness" and "grammys"

Oh here we are, the Chattanooga Times Free Press, which I assume is 100% reputable.

In C.S. Lewis' "The Last Battle," the main characters have just witnessed Tash, the terrifying god of the Calormenes, entering Narnia in answer to a summons from the villain, who called on Tash as a bluff, not actually believing in him. After the monstrous vulture-god calls this bluff, and (spoiler alert) eats the irreverent villain, the good dwarf Poggin observes, "People shouldn't call for demons unless they really mean what they say."

I doubt Satan cared much about the Grammys. As Douthat admits, plenty of experimental spirituality is more interested in possessing your wallet than your soul. Still, as the façade of secularism slips and people increasingly call (as humans always have) on invisible realities, no one should be surprised when those realities answer.

So I guess dressing up as Satan is going to trigger the apocalypse and release the four horsemen? Is that what the Grammys prove?

I really can't wait for my next incarnation. I hope I am transgender and that the whole world is bending its collective gender in any way their hips will move. Maybe I'll watch the Grammys next year.

[Ephrem Moseley]

Imagine a two-year-old who was brought up in a church watching the Grammys.

The Grammys prove that anti-Christians don't care about such toddlers.

I'm reminded of a guy that worked at a storage place I used around E 2nd and Morrison.

He had plastic surgery. Horns were embedded in his forehead. He looked like a demon.

Demons are REACTIONARY. They are a REACTION to discomfort with Christianity.

I mean, be original. Don't be about what scares our toddlers and makes them pee in their pants. That's just mean.

[Wayward Son]

It pretty pathetic when we are having more than one mass shooting every week, and you see evil in how some people look.

[Tom]

It's even weirder than that, given the song they were performing. I suppose it's more likely that a two-year-old would recognize a Satan costume as something to be scared of than that they'd understand the lyrics of "Unholy," but two-year-olds aren't likely to be watching, anyway. More realistically, if we're worried about twelve-year-olds, I think the tongue-in-cheek Satan outfits are the least problematic part of a performance of that song; it's only a few notches less explicit than "WAP." So the question becomes: are the Grammys supposed to be all-ages family entertainment (and, by extension, should the only songs they reward be appropriate for all ages).

[TheDrake]

Imagine a two-year-old who was brought up in a church watching the Grammys.

The Grammys prove that anti-Christians don't care about such toddlers.

The two year old being brought up in a church, I guess it is also an orphanage?

Regardless of where the child rearing is done, I don't think a two year old has absorbed many of the tenets of Christianity.

Of course it also doesn't prove that anti Christians don't care about the hypothetical church child, in fact they might express their love of the child by attempting to discourage their faith in what they believe to be a negative influence.

[Ephrem Moseley]

It pretty pathetic when we are having more than one mass shooting every week, and you see evil in how some people look.

That's the talking point, isn't it? It's the same one for "well why can't we have our nice family-friendly drag shows?"

Listen.

Some problems are *easy* to solve, right? Like, banning drag shows. That's easy.

Some problems are *hard* to solve, though. Like finding all the mentally ill people who have guns. That's almost impossible.

I propose that just because we cannot solve the biggest problem we have DOES NOT MEAN that we cannot solve any other problems until that biggest problem has been addressed.

What do you think?

[Ephrem Moseley]

Imagine a two-year-old who was brought up in a church watching the Grammys.

The Grammys prove that anti-Christians don't care about such toddlers.

The two year old being brought up in a church, I guess it is also an orphanage?

Regardless of where the child rearing is done, I don't think a two year old has absorbed many of the tenets of Christianity.

Of course it also doesn't prove that anti Christians don't care about the hypothetical church child, in fact they might express their love of the child by attempting to discourage their faith in what they believe to be a negative influence.

Do any children exist that are terrified of Satan costumes and might accidentally catch the Grammys?

That's your cost. Right? They suffer, and it doesn't matter, because there's a principle at stake here. I guess.

What are you getting for that cost that is being paid by some of our children?

What's the benefit to our culture?

[Tom]

Do any children exist that are terrified of Satan costumes and might accidentally catch the Grammys?

I mean, do any children exist that are terrified of drums that might accidentally catch the Grammys? What about epileptics sensitive to strobe effects? What about all the four-year-olds prone to migraines that are exacerbated by guitar sounds?

What's the benefit to our culture?

One might ask what the benefit of any cultural activity is to our culture. Surely every production of, say, South Pacific brings with it certain costs. Are those costs worth it?

[Ephrem Moseley]

I mean, do any children exist that are terrified of drums that might accidentally catch the Grammys? What about epileptics sensitive to strobe effects? What about all the four-year-olds prone to migraines that are exacerbated by guitar sounds?

Disingenuous. I'm not talking about music. I'm talking about a tiny innocent immature human being who has been taught about Eternal Suffering.

Hell is real by the way. The LGBTQ in red states see it most clearly. They're in Hell. They're being driven out.

Stakes are a bit higher, dude.

One might ask what the benefit of any cultural activity is to our culture. Surely every production of, say, South Pacific brings with it certain costs. Are those costs worth it?

Well, that's what critics are for, right?

Some "cultural activities" are wonderful, we know that, we just draw the lines differently.

HOWEVER

Some "cultural activities" are atrocities.

I suggest we find the atrocities and cancel them. That's all I'm doing. You don't see any atrocities and I do.

[Tom]

I admit that I am hard-pressed to identify very many "cultural activities" as "atrocities," although there are certainly many cultural activities -- including hockey games and chess tournaments -- that I would consider inappropriate for two-year-olds.

As an aside:

Hell is real by the way. The LGBTQ in red states see it most clearly. They're in Hell. They're being driven out.

This strikes me as a remarkably incoherent conception of Hell.

[Ephrem Moseley]

I admit that I am hard-pressed to identify very many "cultural activities" as "atrocities," although there are certainly many cultural activities -- including hockey games and chess tournaments -- that I would consider inappropriate for two-year-olds.

Imagine you believed in Satan; that these images on the TV screen before you were literal demons from Hell who wanted to kidnap you and take them with you to suffer eternally.

You can't, and that's fine. You'll be incarcerated when the revolution is over. You're unsafe.

[Tom]

Imagine I believed in aliens and caught a couple episodes of The X-Files. Heck, imagine I believed in anything and had the misfortune of watching Gilligan's Island. Imagine there was a whole movie about a candy factory filled with chocolate rivers and magical bubblegum and everlasting, ever-changing sweeties that I could never have, and I had to watch it.

I submit that "being unable to distinguish fictional depictions of reality from actual experience" is the underlying problem, perhaps.

[Ephrem Moseley]

Imagine I believed in aliens and caught a couple episodes of The X-Files. Heck, imagine I believed in anything and had the misfortune of watching Gilligan's Island. Imagine there was a whole movie about a candy factory filled with chocolate rivers and magical bubblegum and everlasting, ever-changing sweeties that I could never have, and I had to watch it.

I submit that "being unable to distinguish fictional depictions of reality from actual experience" is the underlying problem, perhaps.

Drawing a parallel between Christians and the X-Files.

Nice.

[Wayward Son]

I'm talking about a tiny innocent immature human being who has been taught about Eternal Suffering.

Well, that brings up the question:  why would you worship a God that inflicts Eternal Suffering on His children? 

I mean, isn't that kinda evil.  Perhaps you are actually worshipping the other guy?

Hell is real by the way. The LGBTQ in red states see it most clearly. They're in Hell. They're being driven out.

Oh, yeah.  The way red states treat LGBTQ people, I can easily see how that would make them feel like they are in Hell. 

[Ephrem Moseley]

Well, that brings up the question:  why would you worship a God that inflicts Eternal Suffering on His children? 

You want to make an omelet you gotta break some eggs.

Also, the eggs are people (including children) who choose to believe in "human rights."

There is no such thing as "human rights." Therefore, belief in it is rightly punished.

I mean, isn't that kinda evil.  Perhaps you are actually worshipping the other guy?

I'm worshipping the Being who tortures the LGBTQ.

Oh, yeah.  The way red states treat LGBTQ people, I can easily see how that would make them feel like they are in Hell. 

Yup. Never thought I'd see Hell on Earth. It's really wonderful. I love seeing the LGBTQ in fear, and you better believe they're in fear now, particularly if the Overton Window is moving in a bad direction for them.

[TheDrake]

I think many kids would be terrified by a preacher sermonizing that you will burn in hell for all eternity if you don't remember the Sabbath day and keep it holy. Are you recommending that we stop kids from hearing that message? I mean what if they see that on TV?

[Ephrem Moseley]

I think many kids would be terrified by a preacher sermonizing that you will burn in hell for all eternity if you don't remember the Sabbath day and keep it holy.

Why do you think that?

You forget your mom's birthday, don't you?

Shame on you.

[TheDrake]

Well, would you believe me if I showed you a video of a scared kid in church, bawling her eyes out as the preacher yells things they don't understand?

What about all the infants terrified by being splashed with holy water?

[Ephrem Moseley]

Well, would you believe me if I showed you a video of a scared kid in church, bawling her eyes out as the preacher yells things they don't understand?

What about all the infants terrified by being splashed with holy water?

Would you believe me if I showed you videos of the most horrifying abortions? Like, baby delivered alive, and the "doctor" dismembers the baby?

No, you wouldn't.

Extremes mean NOTHING.

Tell me about the averages instead, ok?

[Wayward Son]

Well, that brings up the question:  why would you worship a God that inflicts Eternal Suffering on His children? 

You want to make an omelet you gotta break some eggs.

Also, the eggs are people (including children) who choose to believe in "human rights."

There is no such thing as "human rights." Therefore, belief in it is rightly punished.

But humans ain't eggs, if you haven't noticed.  So why does God have to break them? 

And why does God hate "human rights?"  Doesn't God think that humans have some intrinsic worth?  Doesn't He love people?

Or is that a lie, too. 

I mean, isn't that kinda evil.  Perhaps you are actually worshipping the other guy?

I'm worshipping the Being who tortures the LGBTQ.

Yep, you sure are.  And who tortures and hates people, according to the Bible?

Yep.  Satan.

Oh, yeah.  The way red states treat LGBTQ people, I can easily see how that would make them feel like they are in Hell. 

Yup. Never thought I'd see Hell on Earth. It's really wonderful. I love seeing the LGBTQ in fear, and you better believe they're in fear now, particularly if the Overton Window is moving in a bad direction for them.

You're so proud of making people fear, aren't you?  You're so happy to see Hell on Earth, and people in Hell.  What kind of sadist enjoys that?  Your god, who you worship so, must be so proud of you.  But his major flaw was pride, wasn't it? 

You're disgusting.

Just remember, as the Finns say: Mitä huudat metsään, metsä vastaa.

[Ephrem Moseley]

But humans ain't eggs, if you haven't noticed.

Yes they are. It's my context not yours.

And why does God hate "human rights?"  Doesn't God think that humans have some intrinsic worth?  Doesn't He love people?

God loves everyone. Some people He loves more than others. For example, God always loves the anti-LGBTQ more than the pro-LGBTQ.

God hates "human rights" because humans literally don't have rights. Humans are the slaves of God, and God is a benevolent dictator if you ain't LGBTQ.

Yep, you sure are.  And who tortures and hates people, according to the Bible?

Have you heard of the Old Testament? God tortured Abraham.

God tortures people all the time. God hates people sometimes.

They deserve it.

You're so proud of making people fear, aren't you?  You're so happy to see Hell on Earth, and people in Hell.  What kind of sadist enjoys that?

The sadist that wins the war that permanently defeat his enemies who were trying to stop his sadism.

That's what kind of sadist enjoys that.

Your god, who you worship so, must be so proud of you.  But his major flaw was pride, wasn't it? 

Nuance here. Pride in seeing God's Will done is A-OK. Pride in seeing Satan's will done is not.

You're disgusting.

Good. I hate you.

[Fenring]

What's amazing is that this is an improvement over last week.

[Carlotta2]

Nobody should let their two year old watch the Grammy’s. They aren’t old enough to see the movies being awarded.
Ephrem, I gather you are Orthodox Christian. Which communion do you belong to?

[msquared]

Carlotta,

Grammys are for music. Oscars are for movies.

[Ephrem Moseley]

Nobody should let their two year old watch the Grammy’s. They aren’t old enough to see the movies being awarded.
Ephrem, I gather you are Orthodox Christian. Which communion do you belong to?

OCA

kids sometimes watch things they aren't supposed to, are you aware of that?

[Ephrem Moseley]

What's amazing is that this is an improvement over last week.

Wait til next week.

[Carlotta2]

Ephrem of course I am aware of that. Surely you aren’t suggesting that all media not appropriate for two years olds be forbidden?

[Ephrem Moseley]

Ephrem of course I am aware of that. Surely you aren’t suggesting that all media not appropriate for two years olds be forbidden?

Of course I am. What's wrong with that?

Do whatever you want in your own home; that's fine. Invite your friends. If they have kids, fine, bring them, and do what you want; just please don't break the law.

The Overton Window for what's acceptable for public broadcast needs to be severely narrowed in my opinion.

[Ouija Nightmare]

24/7 VeggieTales for everyone.

[Ephrem Moseley]

24/7 VeggieTales for everyone.

Okay let's start there.

We can add shows if we all agree.

I suggest Mr. Roger's Neighborhood.

Does anyone want to add drag shows? Because I don't. I'm personally A-OK with broadcasting "Mrs. Doubtfire" publicly. I am not A-OK with "The Birdcage."

[DJQuag]

Yo so I know I just said I don't read your posts, and most I don't, when you start screeching. That one was short and sweet, on topic. And you mentioned Mr Rogers. I agree. Kids today should still be watching reruns of that. I bet you like his lessons on tolerance and loving different people, about not holding hate in your heart. Right?

Anyway, I loved Mrs Doubtfire when I was nine years old but watching it as an adult, it comes across a bit different. The man-child gets divorce put on him for understandable reasons, gets upset that because he doesn't have a job or a suitable home he only gets visitations, and then he makes a choice.

To dress up and infiltrate the home of his ex and children. To try and manipulate his ex. To get found out by his kids and bring them into the manipulation. To top it off, he finds out his ex's new boyfriend has a severe allergy to...what was it, cayenne pepper? And makes sure it gets put in his food. So let's call that attempted murder. Tongue in cheek, but he also led on that poor bus driver!

Anyway, film ends on a happy note with none of the consequences, it was the early 90's. What I find hilarious is the fact that one part of the happy ending is that Robin William's character gets hired for good money to dress up as a woman and make a widely watched show for young children where he teaches them good morals.

Did you even *watch* this movie, Ephrem?

[TheDrake]

I wonder which bathroom Mrs Doubtfire used in public?

[DJQuag]

I wonder which bathroom Mrs Doubtfire used in public?

Lol him forgetting which costume he was wearing literally led to him going back to his boss's table wearing the wrong one and telling nine year olds that race horses need to pee a lot.

[TheDrake]

I wonder which bathroom Mrs Doubtfire used in public?

Lol him forgetting which costume he was wearing literally led to him going back to his boss's table wearing the wrong one and telling nine year olds that race horses need to pee a lot.

How dare you misgender her!

[Ephrem Moseley]

Did you even *watch* this movie, Ephrem?

Key learning moment here.

I'm the most progressive Orthodox Christian who has ever existed.

I want *everything* that Jesus could possibly be okay with, and also, hey, I'm a sinner and I was baptized and I confess all the time...so...

I PUSH BOUNDARIES. Every single one that looks fun to me. I go too far sometimes. My family corrects me at some point.

I'm actually really a very fun guy at parties, if we're talking about art, and not politics.

[Tom]

I had a college friend who got little devil bumps put on his forehead, actually, in his mid-twenties. He didn't ask me before he did it, obviously, and probably wouldn't've thought much of any reasons I'd've given him to not do it. It did of course have an almost immediate negative effect on his life; rightly or wrongly, people concluded things about his character based on his decision to very visibly distinguish himself in that way, and he slowly found himself shut out of social and professional opportunities. And as he grew inexorably more and more isolated, he doubled down on it; he was just too edgy for the squares, he observed, and he pushed boundaries. He no doubt thought he was very fun at parties. He eventually developed a heroin habit, had a psychotic break, was hospitalized for seven months, had a number of his bodymods removed, and now sells insurance in Iowa.

[Ephrem Moseley]

I had a college friend who got little devil bumps put on his forehead, actually, in his mid-twenties. He didn't ask me before he did it, obviously, and probably wouldn't've thought much of any reasons I'd've given him to not do it. It did of course have an almost immediate negative effect on his life; rightly or wrongly, people concluded things about his character based on his decision to very visibly distinguish himself in that way, and he slowly found himself shut out of social and professional opportunities. And as he grew inexorably more and more isolated, he doubled down on it; he was just too edgy for the squares, he observed, and he pushed boundaries. He no doubt thought he was very fun at parties. He eventually developed a heroin habit, had a psychotic break, was hospitalized for seven months, had a number of his bodymods removed, and now sells insurance in Iowa.

Physical presentation can repel.

My physical presentation doesn't repel.

My words do, though.

Both are forms of communication.

Some forms of communication seek to primarily protect single beautiful females, and some don't.

Devil bumps are in the latter category, yes?