San Bernadino Attack

[OrneryMod]

Link to the topic on the old forums.

[Pete at Home]

"FWIW, if you believe that "radical Islam" is behind this or other such killings, you are applying a political adjective to a religious motive, or a religious explanation to a political one. I fear that we will see a new wave of reprisal attacks on non-white groups of all kinds as a result of this event. We could call those who commit those crimes radical Christians and be just as accurate."

Setting aside the fact that as usual Al Wessex is the only Ornerian using the Faux News bromide "radical Islam;" I would like to see some follow up on Al's prophesy. Where is that wave of violence that Al anticipates, Fox Newsworthy epithet in hand?  The only Arab victim of mob violence I heard of was targeted by a Black Lives Matter mob in Baltimore, not because he was Arab or Muslim but because he wasn't black, so his life didn't matter.

[AI Wessex]

You want to point to where I said that? Be specific, or I'll be inclined to slam you for inventing comments as many others have done.

[Pete at Home]

unlike Al and Pyr, I actually quote Ornerians when I attribute a saying to them in quotation marks.  I can't be more specific that that, Al.

 "I fear that we will see a new wave of reprisal attacks on non-white groups of all kinds as a result of this event. We could call those who commit those crimes radical Christians and be just as accurate"

[NobleHunter]

In terms of reprisals, some ***** set fire to the mosque just down the street. It was empty at the time, but it'd been full just a few hours earlier. It turns out I'm possessive of my neighbourhood. My hindbrain thinks it'd be poetic justice to burn arsonists at the stake.

I saw a link on twitter that anti-Muslim hate crimes are up following the Paris attacks but I didn't follow it.

[Pete at Home]

Sorry to hear about the mosque.

There were over 100 firebomb attacks on LDS church buildings from 1985 through 2004, and I am happy to report I never heard a Mormon suggest that culprits should be burnt alive.

I doubt that a Canadian mosque burning or the Paris hate crimes are reprisals for the San Bernardino attack.  Canada like France suppresses anti Muslim freedom of speech so it's harder for authorities to track your white supremacists as we track our sheet heads and other Caucasian traitors to the human race.  (And next admin maybe we will do something about non Caucasian supremacists like those Baltimore Molochists.

[NobleHunter]

I meant it was a reprisal for Paris. The arson occurred a day or two after Paris and before San Bernadino.

I'm not saying they should be burnt alive, where "should" means something that should actually happen. I'm saying I'm angry enough the idea occurs to me before I can remind myself about why it shouldn't happen.

[Pete at Home]

I didn't think you meant it.  My point was that burning a church with no one in it is vile, but not even newsworthy when it happens to white Christians, and fairly mild in comparison to attempted murder.

[Pete at Home]

Nevertheless I commend your feeling and passion for your neighborhood

[AI Wessex]

Pete:

Setting aside the fact that as usual Al Wessex is the only Ornerian using the Faux News bromide "radical Islam;" I would like to see some follow up on Al's prophesy. Where is that wave of violence that Al anticipates, Fox Newsworthy epithet in hand?  The only Arab victim of mob violence I heard of was targeted by a Black Lives Matter mob in Baltimore, not because he was Arab or Muslim but because he wasn't black, so his life didn't matter.

unlike Al and Pyr, I actually quote Ornerians when I attribute a saying to them in quotation marks.  I can't be more specific that that, Al.

 "I fear that we will see a new wave of reprisal attacks on non-white groups of all kinds as a result of this event. We could call those who commit those crimes radical Christians and be just as accurate"

It's pretty obvious I didn't use the "Faux News bromide "radical Islam"" except to mock it.  The wave of violence is not a tidal wave, but it tide has definitely risen.  Google to see for yourself so you're a little better informed; you're already well-inclined to think in a certain direction.  As often happens, I don't understand what exactly you think you're accusing me of.

[Pete at Home]

Pete:

Setting aside the fact that as usual Al Wessex is the only Ornerian using the Faux News bromide "radical Islam;" I would like to see some follow up on Al's prophesy. Where is that wave of violence that Al anticipates, Fox Newsworthy epithet in hand?  The only Arab victim of mob violence I heard of was targeted by a Black Lives Matter mob in Baltimore, not because he was Arab or Muslim but because he wasn't black, so his life didn't matter.

unlike Al and Pyr, I actually quote Ornerians when I attribute a saying to them in quotation marks.  I can't be more specific that that, Al.

 "I fear that we will see a new wave of reprisal attacks on non-white groups of all kinds as a result of this event. We could call those who commit those crimes radical Christians and be just as accurate"

It's pretty obvious I didn't use the "Faux News bromide "radical Islam"" except to mock it.  The wave of violence is not a tidal wave, but it tide has definitely risen.  Google to see for yourself so you're a little better informed; you're already well-inclined to think in a certain direction.  As often happens, I don't understand what exactly you think you're accusing me of.

following the search terms in your bad link, I see acts of vandalism analogous to and generally less severe than the ones that occurred to LDS church buildings during the SSM crapola of the last couple years.

[AI Wessex]

Does the Mormon takeover of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge headquarters count as an act of religious extremism with the potential for a terrorist style outcome?  Try imagining if Muslims were the ones doing it.

[Pete at Home]

The LDS church seemed to characterize the motives of the (presumably now EX)-LDS participants.  Denouncing them as apostates, basically.

If it were Muslim religious extremists doing that protests, everyone would be celebrating the first Islamist mass protest that didn't involve rape or murder.

As far as apostate LDS extremist violence goes, this is mild stuff. You should see the crap the exmormon pligs do.  I've said repeatedly on this forum that Elmo pligs are dangerous and deserve more attention.  I have proposed changes to corporate laws to target their repressive practices, more often than I have suggested restrictions against Sharia arbitration.  Loopholes in corporate laws let pliglords run their fiefdoms where all inhabitants are basically serfs that can be turned out should they fail to let the pliglord rape their wives and daughters.  If you had any Mormon friends at all you would know that we view thesetwerps in Oregon as dangerous religious fanatics.

[Pete at Home]

Does the Mormon takeover of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge headquarters count as an act of religious extremism with the potential for a terrorist style outcome?

Yes, but not in the way you mean. It's like the Koresh incident, which also involved religious lunatics.  But this group has taken an area even more isolated than the Waco wackos. It's more like Masada. The potential is for state terrorism. Like when Janet Reno burned alive every man woman and child in the Waco compound as a warning against future gun -hold resistances.

[AI Wessex]

If you had any Mormon friends at all you would know that we view thesetwerps in Oregon as dangerous religious fanatics.

Amman Bundy said in one of his daily interviews that he was following God's orders.  His soft-spokenness belies his claim that he is committed to staying there forever and will shoot if the BLM comes in heavy.  What they're doing is clearly illegal, so the BLM would be acting legally if they did try to oust them.  I don't view him or his band of merry True Americans as much of a threat or a beacon to others to rise up in similar frontier patriotic bulwarks, but it's a legitimate question whether this kind of action is extreme enough to consider it something more than foolishness.  So far the BLM seems to have reckoned that it's not and are staying out of it as much as possible.

Amman took a $400K loan from the government to prop up his business that it appears he never paid back and his father Cliven still owes the government over $1M in grazing fees and penalties.  I don't put these two in the class of "true Americans", more like moochers hiding behind a religious shield.  The Hammond's seem more like what Bundy claims to be.