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TheDrake

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Worst Job in the New Administration
« on: November 09, 2016, 10:57:44 AM »
I'm thinking about a few people who will be very unhappy, I suspect.

Press Secretary
Chief of Protocol
Mexican and Chinese Ambassadors

TheDeamon

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Re: Worst Job in the New Administration
« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2016, 11:04:55 AM »
Secretary of State in general is going to have a rough time, I think.

Although relations with Russia could get interesting. Either Trump's going to be "best buds" with Putin, or they're going to be arch-rivals, and I think that's going to be decided in short order after they first meet.

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Re: Worst Job in the New Administration
« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2016, 11:56:13 AM »
I thought it might be funny if Trump actually acts as his own press secretary.

I wouldn't put it past him.

D.W.

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« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2016, 11:59:25 AM »
That's not that far fetched.  I can't imagine him letting someone else smooth the rough edges on what he says.  How many, "No, I meant what I said." does it take before he just fires the person and leaves the position empty?

Wayward Son

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« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2016, 12:06:39 PM »
I don't think the Press Corp would stand for Trump being his own press secretary.

The man can't say a complete extemporaneous sentence to save his life.  ::)

D.W.

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Re: Worst Job in the New Administration
« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2016, 12:08:31 PM »
Like "the press" gets a say in any of this anymore?  :P

I just hope they are willing to continue covering him despite fear of frivolous lawsuit bombardment.

scifibum

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Re: Worst Job in the New Administration
« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2016, 12:21:32 PM »
No more press briefings.  It's all on Twitter.

The man doesn't believe in ideas that can't be expressed in 80 characters.

TheDeamon

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Re: Worst Job in the New Administration
« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2016, 12:34:29 PM »
I thought it might be funny if Trump actually acts as his own press secretary.

I wouldn't put it past him.

Yeah. I almost made a comment about his Press Secretary probably having the easiest job. Just step back and let Trump do all the talking.

Edit: Wait, I guess I just did make that comment.

TheDrake

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Re: Worst Job in the New Administration
« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2016, 12:57:17 PM »
The press briefing as practiced today is a daily grind, I'm not seeing Trump doing it personally. He hates the press, but I'm not sure if he'd rather spar with them, insult them, sue them or avoid them.


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Re: Worst Job in the New Administration
« Reply #9 on: November 10, 2016, 02:53:25 PM »
Adding:

Secret Service Presidential Protection

I don't think Trump will let them tell him where he can go and where he can't. Or let them separate him from his adoring fans. Add in the number of people who think he is the anti-christ.

cherrypoptart

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Re: Worst Job in the New Administration
« Reply #10 on: November 10, 2016, 03:05:31 PM »
It could have been a lot worse for the Secret Service if Hillary had won.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/424927/hillary-clinton-secret-service-treatment-abuse

"Good morning, ma’am,” a member of the uniformed Secret Service once greeted Hillary Clinton. “**** off,” she replied.

"... Within the White House, Hillary had a “standing rule that no one spoke to her when she was going from one location to another,” says former FBI agent Coy Copeland. “In fact, anyone who would see her coming would just step into the first available office.” One former Secret Service agent states, “If Hillary was walking down a hall, you were supposed to hide behind drapes used as partitions.”

Secret Service “agents consider being assigned to her detail a form of punishment,” Kessler concludes. “In fact, agents say being on Hillary Clinton’s detail is the worst duty assignment in the Secret Service.”

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And she gets lifetime Secret Service protection. Which is fine, just a nightmare for the people who put their lives on the line for her despite her abuse.

TheDrake

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« Reply #11 on: November 10, 2016, 04:00:02 PM »
I'd think twice before quoting Kessler, who doesn't seem to investigate very thoroughly or look for corroboration.

http://theweek.com/articles/444781/weird-inaccuracies-ronald-kesslers-new-book-secret-service

AI Wessex

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« Reply #12 on: November 10, 2016, 04:22:27 PM »
It could have been a lot worse for the Secret Service if Hillary had won.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/424927/hillary-clinton-secret-service-treatment-abuse

"Good morning, ma’am,” a member of the uniformed Secret Service once greeted Hillary Clinton. “**** off,” she replied.

"... Within the White House, Hillary had a “standing rule that no one spoke to her when she was going from one location to another,” says former FBI agent Coy Copeland. “In fact, anyone who would see her coming would just step into the first available office.” One former Secret Service agent states, “If Hillary was walking down a hall, you were supposed to hide behind drapes used as partitions.”

Secret Service “agents consider being assigned to her detail a form of punishment,” Kessler concludes. “In fact, agents say being on Hillary Clinton’s detail is the worst duty assignment in the Secret Service.”

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And she gets lifetime Secret Service protection. Which is fine, just a nightmare for the people who put their lives on the line for her despite her abuse.
My god, she is evil!  Imagine if she refused to pay her workers or skipped out on hotel bills or accused soldiers of not having the right temperament to be soldiers because they suffered from PTSD.  Imagine if she wandered into locker rooms just so she could have a peek.  Imagine if she was having an affair while she was married and tried to get her boyfriend to pose naked for $1M that she would split with him.  Trump did all of those things and a whole lot worse.

But imagine them if you can.  In the meantime, keep coming up with stories about her that give you a warm tingly feeling but don't have to be true.  Don't forget that she may have killed over 100 people and made them all look like suicide.  There's no proof about any of them, but how good it would feel to pretend. 

In the meantime a couple of pieces of friendly advice.  Don't work for him; don't sign a contract with him; if you have daughters who are pretty, don't let them near him.  Stay tuned for extra freedoms that you'll have.

TheDrake

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Re: Worst Job in the New Administration
« Reply #13 on: November 11, 2016, 10:21:16 AM »
How bad Trump is, is completely irrelevant to a discussion of whether Hillary is bad. I'm growing more and more fatigued by instances where Trump or Hillary are criticized that people defend them, not by refuting the claim or saying it is not bad, but rather by saying "Hey, look at that other one!".


AI Wessex

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Re: Worst Job in the New Administration
« Reply #14 on: November 11, 2016, 10:45:37 AM »
My comment about Cassandra applies here.

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Re: Worst Job in the New Administration
« Reply #15 on: November 11, 2016, 10:48:51 AM »
My comment about Cassandra applies here.

I fail to see what prediction you have made that everyone is ignoring. Perhaps the place to make it is in the other thread? I suppose the other reading of your comment would be that you think you're about to be taken as war loot and hauled back to Mycenae. In that case have a good trip.

AI Wessex

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« Reply #16 on: November 11, 2016, 10:51:59 AM »
Here, for example.  I may (probably will) have other warnings, but I admit the weather is nice this time of year in Mycenae.

AI Wessex

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Re: Worst Job in the New Administration
« Reply #17 on: November 11, 2016, 07:26:46 PM »
I've got it, food taster.

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Re: Worst Job in the New Administration
« Reply #18 on: November 12, 2016, 03:11:45 PM »
Give it up, Al.

She was a crappy candidate. Qualified, definitely, but not even close to what was needed to win this election.

Liberals got arrogant because Obama won two terms without realizing that he came into the whole thing as an outsider who promised to mess up the system that had failed so many. You just can't win an election these days with people who have lived in that system for 30 years.

The good news, and I say this in a non ironic fashion, but Chris Rock has already declared himself for 2020. If Trump can win, he can.

Bottom line, we haven't had an establishment politician win since 2004, and until the system and economy corrects itself, there won't be one.

TheDeamon

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Re: Worst Job in the New Administration
« Reply #19 on: November 12, 2016, 03:13:53 PM »
I've got it, food taster.

I think the Democrats would be doing everything in their power to keep Trump alive, the last thing they want is for Mike Pence to become PotUS.

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Re: Worst Job in the New Administration
« Reply #20 on: November 12, 2016, 03:21:28 PM »
Give it up, Al.

She was a crappy candidate. Qualified, definitely, but not even close to what was needed to win this election.
Not even close but came within a hair of winning?

AI Wessex

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« Reply #21 on: November 13, 2016, 12:26:02 AM »
Right, won the popular vote by more than Kennedy or Nixon (1968), but not even close, eh? 

This election will be remembered as 11/9 for the debacle that we woke to on that day.

AI Wessex

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Re: Worst Job in the New Administration
« Reply #22 on: November 13, 2016, 08:09:46 AM »
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Give it up, Al.

She was a crappy candidate. Qualified, definitely, but not even close to what was needed to win this election.

Liberals got arrogant because Obama won two terms without realizing that he came into the whole thing as an outsider who promised to mess up the system that had failed so many. You just can't win an election these days with people who have lived in that system for 30 years.
I understand the words, but can't find a way to agree with your point.  The only reason I can think of for her being "crappy" is because she isn't edgy enough for today's world where you have to capture eyeballs by changing things up in ways people don't expect.  Maybe she would have won if she had told Trump to go *censored* himself or his mistress instead of attacking him for fat-shaming Miss Universe 20 years ago.  Or if on the day before the election in her last appearance she gave Trump the finger and screamed out what her supporters were thinking, "You're going down, you piece of *censored*!"

Otherwise, you want to wedge apart "qualified" and "good" to make the case that she wore pant suits and climbed and clawed to the top of the political heap, because that itself is somehow suspect.  She wasn't nearly as exciting as the 72-year old man who also spent 30 years in obscurity as a politician, but who lit himself on fire at the start of the campaign and kept burning until he was doused at the convention.  You won't be hearing that much from him in the future but for squawking and then he'll retire and disappear altogether.

She wasn't exciting, but in its way I am invigorated by her example.  I've been a liberal for almost 50 years, but willing in recent years to let others gain traction measured by the inch for causes I agree with through their hard work while I have "done other things".

So I'll make my first prediction of the post-election period, that liberals are waking up to the new reality that we'll all have to work to put things back on track harder than those who snatched it away from us all did.  My guess is that once Trump starts doing some of the things he said he will that there will be a lot more people on "our side" than there are now; everyone with children or grandchildren should want to help.  We won't be able to undo all of the destruction he does, like Iraq can't reconstitute the national monuments that ISIS knocks down, but we can rebuild and move forward.

I'm going to try to stop whining about things that happened before 11/9 and focus on what might happen over the next two years culminating in the next Congressional election.  Then we'll see what happens after that.

yossarian22c

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Re: Worst Job in the New Administration
« Reply #23 on: November 13, 2016, 09:16:26 PM »
AI, she was a crappy candidate b/c she has been under attack for 20+ years by the opposition.  She was a lightning rod for the opposition and a perfectly centrist policy wonk for Dems.  The relentless attacks aren't her fault and don't make her a bad person or a bad fit for president but they do make her a bad candidate because of the where there's smoke there's fire attitude a significant portion of the American population has towards political scandals.  So it doesn't matter how valid the criticisms were from the 90's on the fact that a sizable portion of the Republican based believed them and a reasonable portion of swing voters would have doubts because of them mean that she ends up a bad candidate because she galvanizes the opposition base, causes doubt (whether justified or not) with swing voters, and fails to excite her base (b/c she is a perfectly centrist politician who is more hawkish than a lot of her party would like on foreign policy).  Take her resume and remove the 20+ years of attacks and she would have been a very good to excellent candidate.

AI Wessex

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« Reply #24 on: November 13, 2016, 10:02:17 PM »
Interesting and a measure of truth. They chipped away at her surface enough to devalue her without touching her core, made her seem like a used car.  Meanwhile Trump played the new car salesman and enough people bought the act and what he was selling.

Kate McKinnon did an interesting take on the song Hallelujah by Leonard Cohen on SNL last night.  She sang it in the character of Hillary, but offered it as an tribute to both of them.  The best lines about her were the verse,

“I did my best
It wasn’t much.
I couldn’t feel
So I tried to touch.
I told the truth
I didn’t come to fool ya.”

Anyone who isn't tone deaf will see that there's a lot loaded in those few words.  It may be one of the best elegies she could have.
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TheDrake

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Re: Worst Job in the New Administration
« Reply #25 on: November 14, 2016, 11:44:43 AM »
There's a reason why Hillary drew the attacks and that they had steam, at least for those of us that don't vote straight ticket. She has little to no integrity, and I think it is because she sees truth and deception as a means to doing what she thinks is good for the country. You can look at her support for DOMA, her on-demand southern accent, her adoption of Bernie's planks when she started to be concerned about losing to him, relating a falsified account of being shot at, cheating Sanders out of a fair contest based on policy, fighting the email stuff every step of the way with denials, protests of ignorance, and claims that turned out to be false. Being "for" the TPP before being "against" it. You can add to this list, but supporters have excuses for all of these examples and any others.

Find more people like Sanders and Warren, Democrats, and you might pick up a vote from me next time.

scifibum

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« Reply #26 on: November 14, 2016, 12:03:30 PM »
Warren might be a good candidate against an incumbent Trump.  Others have said she's too negative, but I imagine there will be just as much frustration and anger available in four years, and Trump won't be able to ride that wave as an incumbent.  But then again it wouldn't surprise me a bit for Trump to get tired of the job and decline to run again, even if he manages to avoid impeachment for that long.

Pete at Home

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Re: Worst Job in the New Administration
« Reply #27 on: November 18, 2016, 05:28:39 PM »
Give it up, Al.

She was a crappy candidate. Qualified, definitely, but not even close to what was needed to win this election.
Not even close but came within a hair of winning?

She got 10% more of the popular vote than Bill did.

Hillary was not a weak candidate, I'm, not compared to the history of candidates.  Change how she dealt with Sanders, or BLM pissing on MLK's grave to adopt scare tactics ... and Hillary could have killed any of the original fielding candidates.

AI Wessex

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« Reply #28 on: November 18, 2016, 08:17:19 PM »
It's possible that if she had shot someone on 5th Avenue she might have gotten more votes.

Pete at Home

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« Reply #29 on: November 18, 2016, 09:52:16 PM »
Did everyone else get that I used the term "kill" metaphorically?

TheDrake

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« Reply #30 on: November 19, 2016, 12:05:43 AM »
Pete, yeah, but maybe defeated would have been the better verb to avoid confusion.

AI Wessex

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« Reply #31 on: November 19, 2016, 07:36:09 AM »
Did everyone else get that I used the term "kill" metaphorically?
I got it and used it as metaphorically as Trump did.  Did he really mean he could do that?