Author Topic: Deciphering Putin's new announcement -- Putin pisses on Trump?  (Read 3108 times)

Pete at Home

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Since the death of Saddam Hussein, Vladimir Putin has been the world leader most concerned with projecting personal strength, masculinity, and virility. 

So why this feeble "admission"?

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-40122943

Putin knows that we know -- that the whole world knows, to the extent that it's paid attention -- about Putin's tactic of sending in "little green men", Russian soldiers out of uniform, to do his bidding in the Ukraine, while denying that they are acting under Putin's orders.

Isn't this latest announcement basically Putin's way of claiming responsibility for the hacking?

What does he get out of this?  A more divided America, no doubt.  But more importantly I think it's convenient for Putin to help the leftist west to believe their own lies.  If Putin appears to have made Trump, that's more power projection for Putin, and he, not the EU, becomes the most powerful face in Europe.

Could it be true?  Is it unreasonable for me to assume that Putin's sending a false flag here?   

Well look where the "investigation" is taking us:  The grand conspiracy theory is now netting in Nigel Farage, a Brexit guy.

Suspicious, anyone?  Doesn't the list of suspects look like a left-wing wet dream hitlist?  Let me guess --  next on the Trump-Putin conspiracy list will be Ann Coulter, Milo Yanopolis, and Mel Gibson, right?

Maybe I should shut up or I'll end up on the suspects list too.


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rightleft22

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Re: Deciphering Putin's new announcement -- Putin pisses on Trump?
« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2017, 02:49:58 PM »
WTF

Wayward Son

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Re: Deciphering Putin's new announcement -- Putin pisses on Trump?
« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2017, 03:28:58 PM »
Isn't this the same country that suggested that Seth Rich hacked the DNC, rather than itself? :D

They really gotta get their story straight.

Meanwhile, it would be best to focus on what the evidence says rather than what lying politicians say.  It'll help you sleep better at night. ;)

Pete at Home

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Re: Deciphering Putin's new announcement -- Putin pisses on Trump?
« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2017, 03:41:52 PM »
Isn't this the same country that suggested that Seth Rich hacked the DNC, rather than itself? :D

They really gotta get their story straight.

Meanwhile, it would be best to focus on what the evidence says rather than what lying politicians say.  It'll help you sleep better at night. ;)

What evidence?  The servers that the DNC refused to turn over to the FBI for days after the hack?  How do you separate that "evidence" from the evidence of lying politicians?

And what is Wasserman-Schultz covering now? See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IT5unqVfCKE

Oops.  Sorry, DNC's hacked that one.  This one's still up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAHGsyt2kZA
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Re: Deciphering Putin's new announcement -- Putin pisses on Trump?
« Reply #4 on: June 01, 2017, 03:49:46 PM »
Isn't this the same country that suggested that Seth Rich hacked the DNC, rather than itself? :D

They really gotta get their story straight.


Check your source.  Russia didn't create that allegation.  Also, Julian Assange backs the Seth Ridge source story.  Ridge was a Sanders supporter. He leaked evidence of what the DNC did to Sanders.  Simple and elegant.  Occam approves.
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Re: Deciphering Putin's new announcement -- Putin pisses on Trump?
« Reply #5 on: June 01, 2017, 04:55:35 PM »
Well, let's just say I trust our lying politicians much more than the lying, murderous, hostile Russian politicians, Pete. :)

And I don't trust Assange far less than I do Comey and the rest of the FBI.

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Re: Deciphering Putin's new announcement -- Putin pisses on Trump?
« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2017, 05:30:14 PM »
Isn't this the same country that suggested that Seth Rich hacked the DNC, rather than itself? :D

They really gotta get their story straight.


Check your source.  Russia didn't create that allegation.  Also, Julian Assange backs the Seth Ridge source story.  Ridge was a Sanders supporter. He leaked evidence of what the DNC did to Sanders.  Simple and elegant.  Occam approves.

That requires the DNC having a tech staff inept enough to be hacked by a poli-sci major but sophisticated enough to fabricate evidence good enough to fool the FBI all in a couple of days. Occam does not approve.

Pete at Home

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Re: Deciphering Putin's new announcement -- Putin pisses on Trump?
« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2017, 07:54:49 PM »
Isn't this the same country that suggested that Seth Rich hacked the DNC, rather than itself? :D

They really gotta get their story straight.


Check your source.  Russia didn't create that allegation.  Also, Julian Assange backs the Seth Ridge source story.  Ridge was a Sanders supporter. He leaked evidence of what the DNC did to Sanders.  Simple and elegant.  Occam approves.

That requires the DNC having a tech staff inept enough to be hacked by a poli-sci major but sophisticated enough to fabricate evidence good enough to fool the FBI all in a couple of days. Occam does not approve.

It's not called "hacking" when the polisci major is working in your office with security clearance.  That's what "leak" means.

As for the tech staff, asked and answered above.  They could have hired specialists by the hour to prep for FBI.  If you have millions of dollars in the kitty, and your tech staff fail you, do you have them advise you when you know you were hacked, or do you call in someone else?  Think about it.

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Re: Deciphering Putin's new announcement -- Putin pisses on Trump?
« Reply #8 on: June 02, 2017, 12:36:32 AM »
Isn't this the same country that suggested that Seth Rich hacked the DNC, rather than itself? :D

They really gotta get their story straight.

Meanwhile, it would be best to focus on what the evidence says rather than what lying politicians say.  It'll help you sleep better at night. ;)

Well, it would be inline with the initial assertions made by the Democrats back at the start, that the Russians have a strategic goal of sowing chaos, discontent, and lack of faith in the electoral processes of nations they consider to be either rivals or competitors. So as a psych-op it's win-win for Putin because at this point it causes both sides to "double-down" on their already staked out positions, while Putin and company can laugh their ass off back in Moscow.

They'll probably try to find another way to stir this pot some more once things seem to either calm down a bit, or one side seems to be gaining an upper hand in things.

Which I think was the bigger point in this "Reveal" because the lack of substantive evidence being produced made it look like things were not going to go anywhere, and the people pushing it were starting to back down/lose interest to some degree. So Putin just attempted to stoke their fires once again by "confessing" to having dastardly designs on the American political process.

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Re: Deciphering Putin's new announcement -- Putin pisses on Trump?
« Reply #9 on: June 03, 2017, 10:42:54 PM »
Sp Megyn Kelly evidently had a face to face (panel) meeting with Putin on Friday which will air on Sunday, but the advance releases have Putin walking this back a bit. Which goes back to sowing uncertainty in the process.

Saying "A patriotic Russian may hacked it" evidently isn't him obliqely saying the FSB or other government agency did so. He also reiterates there's virtually no proof that Russia was involved, and that anyone could make use of Russian IP's if they desired. Going so far as saying Megyn Kelly's own (underaged) daughter could probably do so.

Which is in line with comments made in here earlier. Computer-Proxy attacks are not unprecedented, they've been going on for decades, so saying they know the attacker sent the data to Russia doesn't prove anything about where the attacker actually was. Proxies and VPN's make it so the data could have gone anywhere after reaching that designated IP. Without obtaining the logs of the systems located at those IP's, your evidence chain ends there.

This 1990's era hacking stuff, if you're a "black hat" you never attack directly from where you actually are, that's what botnets and proxies registered under fake/stolen identities are for. The only ones who do that are the "White Hats" and Governments that don't care if they're caught.