Fenring, I disagree that you can impute how a group believes based on some social media postings - if you did that, for the past few years there has been a greater volume of more hostile social media posts in favor of the belief system on the right rather than the left (in part due to concerted action of those wanting to promote pro-Republican beliefs, a group that our intelligence agencies agrees includes the Russian government).
So you disagree that you can "impute" that but you'll do it anyway? I get you think you have science on your side, cause you can cite to any number of studies showing Republicans are worse than Democrats. Big surprise against an academic background where members of the left outnumber members of the right, what 95:5? and members of the media by similar numbers? Not going to be alot of self critical studies that show the left is irrational when the researchers are all writing the studies to "show" the opposite. Which is why its generally easy to show the flaws in the feel good studies you cite to.
By the way, it's flat error (I assume you are not deliberately lying) to claim that our Intelligence organizations say the Russians want to promote Republican ideals. They actually say that the Russians want to disrupt our government, and they have certainly achieved that by helping both the Dems (hello Trump Dossier) and the Repubs, by playing the two sides off each other. It's probably beyond their wildest dreams how successfully they've manipulated the Dems and the media to completely pursue and make credible a story of Russian manipulation controlling our free election.
But you then go to question how "conservatives or Republicans couldn't imagine how to ever find common cause with these kinds of people". That's a crazy standard, particularly based on anecdotal evidence that I recognize you may really feel, but may reflect less than a few percent of Democrats.
Less than a few percent? My personal view is at least 50% of the politically active members of the left. Certainly, when one adds up the various organizations, protestors, town hall disruptors, activists, writers - likers of writers, those polled who want a resistance or there to be no compromise, those who write about refusing to "normalize" and push that position, it's closer than your estimate.
Imagine if we applied that standard consistently,
Would love to see you apply standards consistently.
...and instead people on Side A hating someone because of an action they took, people on Side B asserted that the President from your party was foreign-born (and thus not a legitimate President of the US), Muslim, and may be the anti-Christ? Because arguably all of those in this context are the same or worse than "hate", and more than 50% of Republicans asserted the first two hateful claims, and more than 25% asserted the third.
In reverse order, there's no way 25% asserted he was the anti-Christ, that's a fringe view even among religious fundamentalists, who are themselves fringe.
Muslim? Been hashed out many times, there's a technical argument on it about his father, but no good reason to doubt his own statements on religion. But what happened to your consistent standards? The "evidence" of Obama being a Muslim exists in greater depth than the evidence that Trump "colluded with the Russians" yet you believe the latter absolutely, and think the former is practically offensive. How about some consistency on your belief of baseless accusations?
Birth location is a legitimate inquiry under our laws. There was definitely reason to suspect he was not borne where he claimed based on statements made by his relatives. However, there's literally no way to prove it one way or the other and therefore no reason no to accept the validity of his birth certificate. Not sure why you think sharing tax records is mandatory - when it's literally not - but proving your birth isn't - when it's literally a Constitutional requirement - should I chalk that up as another win for consistently applied?
That's not a few social media posts or a few percent - that's a majority of Republicans who had those beliefs during the Obama Administration. So by your rules, how should Democrats feel about Republicans who make common cause with that other half of their party?
Lol. You should keep feeling however you keep telling each other to feel. Nothing like spending you life in an echo chamber telling each other what the "other side" feels and thinks rather than asking them about it directly. Even on your "hot topics of nonsense" you could have found reasonable grounds on which reasonable people would entertain such views, "holding" them is too strong a word. It's not like the left doesn't do the same thing on any number of topics where they jump to crazy conclusions.
The honest answer is the point at which I would stop supporting Trump is if he stops deporting illegals. Obama allowing the invasion of America was a greater betrayal than anything that Democrats have ever fantasized Trump doing.
Cherry, if that's really your fundamental point, how would you compare President George W Bush to President Obama? Because illegal immigration into the United States grew by many millions under Bush, while Obama increased the level of deportations and the number of illegal immigrants in the US declined.
What a misleading quote. I can't give you good faith on this anymore, since your Deporter in Chief formulation of the statistics has been addressed on these boards before, citing to them now is pretty much relying on statistics you know are discredited. Obama virtually ended deportations from the interior of the country, he certainly completely undermined enforcement of the actual laws of the country everywhere but the border.
He did that against a backdrop of a majority of both parties wanting more enforcement of the laws against illegal immigration.
He gets zero credit in a real debate for increasing deportations.
