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rightleft22

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Trumps still doing campaign rallies?
« on: August 22, 2017, 04:47:05 PM »
Why is Trump still doing rallies every few weeks?
Who pays for them, the security, and all that?   
Is this the best use of Trumps time?

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Re: Trumps still doing campaign rallies?
« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2017, 05:04:06 PM »
It's a recent trend that predates Trump, but it's not the best use of time and I'd be just as happy if it stopped.

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« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2017, 05:35:33 PM »
This is one of those things that I actively try to not get upset about.  I ask, "If it wasn't Trump, would I care?" 

The answer is pretty much a solid NO.  I wouldn't care. 

When you here senators & mayors asking the President NOT to come to their state/city, that's a pretty awful state of affairs.  On the other hand, does he really need to whip up his base to put the fear of Trumpets into those disloyal Republicans?

Welcome to the new normal.  'Election Season' seems to have turned into winter in Westeros.

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« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2017, 05:45:41 PM »
I don't really care it just seemed odd to me.
I suspect it makes someone some money.

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« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2017, 06:09:16 PM »
It's a recent trend that predates Trump, but it's not the best use of time and I'd be just as happy if it stopped.

Thanks Obama!

Edit: As a point of Trivia, it should be noted that Obama's 2008 Presidential Campaign organization still exists.

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« Reply #5 on: August 22, 2017, 06:18:22 PM »
Well, we already know some who are paying for Trump's rallies and vacations: the Secret Service.

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[T]he President and his children travel so much that 1,000 agents have already reached the limit of what the government can pay them for salary and overtime. The service is proposing to Congress to raise the amount they can pay agents from $160,000 to $187,000, but even if Congress agrees, about 130 agents would not be compensated for work they have already performed. A consequence of making agents work but not paying them has been serious attrition within the Service. When Barack Obama was president, Donald Trump constantly complained about him taking so many vacations and how much it cost the taxpayers. If Trump were to spend nearly every weekend in the White House, as Obama did, then the Secret Service would not have the problem it has now.

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« Reply #6 on: August 22, 2017, 06:43:37 PM »
Well, to be fair, one of his more recent multi-week outings wasn't entirely his doing. The White House renovation/tech update was something that had been in planing for years. Networking and wired communication tech has changed more than a little bit in the past 30 years since the last time they did that particular "Refresh" if I'm remembering the reporting correctly. From what I can find, it looks like Cat5e cable didn't even exist as a standard until some time in the 1990's, and the last time major wiring work was done in the White House was in the 1980's?

That said, he could have gone to Camp David instead of New Jersey. He could also have done a number of things differently, but this cycles back to this isn't entirely unexpected of Donald Trump. There were reasons why many of us acknowledged from the onset that he was likely to make for a terrible President.

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« Reply #7 on: August 22, 2017, 08:12:06 PM »
I don't seem to recall the, "But think of the logistics of putting THIS family in power?  We can't afford, in dollars I mean, the Trumps!", argument being pushed all that loudly.  ;)

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Re: Trumps still doing campaign rallies?
« Reply #8 on: August 23, 2017, 08:26:12 AM »
Why is Trump still doing rallies every few weeks?
Who pays for them, the security, and all that?   
Is this the best use of Trumps time?
He has to campaign. There is an unprecedented campaign against the president Trump with constant calls for his impeachment or assasination literally since the night of election. The entire media, democrats, republicans, all of them engaged in efforts to undermine and destroy the president. Trump has to get in front of Americans in a way that cannot be filtered through his opponents and rallies such as the recent Arizona one is a way to do it (through twitter is another).

No, it's not the best use of Trump's time but is is a necessary one so that those seeking to overthrow a legitimately elected president don't have a easy path.

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« Reply #9 on: August 23, 2017, 10:28:42 AM »
It is effective.
In his rallies its clear that he is not a president that cares much for the people he disagrees with in that he only preaches to the choir.
A hour speech and he most of the time he's talking about himself, how great he is, how persecuted, while re-writing past statements, leaving out little details, so that he might prove his point.
 
I wish he would just man up stop complaining and whining all presidents are targets.

I suspect it just a matter of time when his overstating hyperbole will turn against him.  Other nations leaders are already learning that you can't trust the man
When it comes to negotiating hes a one trick pony and its all in his book the art of the deal. Step one use threats play the victim, step two use threats play the victim, step three use threats...

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« Reply #10 on: August 23, 2017, 11:02:07 AM »
It is effective.
In his rallies its clear that he is not a president that cares much for the people he disagrees with in that he only preaches to the choir.
A hour speech and he most of the time he's talking about himself, how great he is, how persecuted, while re-writing past statements, leaving out little details, so that he might prove his point.
 
I wish he would just man up stop complaining and whining all presidents are targets.
Are you talking about Obama? That guy talked about himself constantly, borderline narcissism.  Maybe Hillary with her hand picked audiences and the "vast right wing conspiracy" etc, etc, etc. I honestly can't tell.

I suspect it just a matter of time when his overstating hyperbole will turn against him.  Other nations leaders are already learning that you can't trust the man
When it comes to negotiating hes a one trick pony and its all in his book the art of the deal. Step one use threats play the victim, step two use threats play the victim, step three use threats...
Having gotten China and the rest of the UN Security Council to go along with NK, I think your observation on what other leaders are learning is just wishful thinking or you've been victimized by the propaganda that floods the media.
« Last Edit: August 23, 2017, 11:05:01 AM by Crunch »

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« Reply #11 on: August 23, 2017, 11:19:54 AM »
It is effective.
In his rallies its clear that he is not a president that cares much for the people he disagrees with in that he only preaches to the choir.
A hour speech and he most of the time he's talking about himself, how great he is, how persecuted, while re-writing past statements, leaving out little details, so that he might prove his point.

At this point, from what I'm seeing, the Crazy Train has already departed the station and the (exteme) Left-Wing was fully boarded. I'm becoming increasingly convinced that they're either wildly disconnected from reality(possible), or they're trying to deliberately throw the 2018 elections in favor of the Republicans.

With the fervor that "Anti-Trump" (Which often has little to actually do with Trump--and Americans are generally smart enough to realize this) is going after various things, no Congressional district that voted Trump in 2016 is likely to flip the other way. If anything, I'd say a number of Hillary districts may flip towards the Republicans as people become increasingly horrified by what the alt-Left(for lack of a better term) is up to. Which by the way, is going to be no favor to the Democratic candidates. They're going to be put in the position of either having to support the alt-Left and alienate voters towards the center, or denounce the alt-Left and potentially alienate what otherwise probably was a large pool of "sure thing" voters for themselves.

2018 is looking like it's going to be one heck of a zoo, and the DNC is heading for one heck of a train-wreck. 2018 should be an easy pickup for the Dems, but some of their own base is doing stuff that's very likely to have the Democrats on the defensive due to the political offensives being undertaken by their auxiliaries.

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« Reply #12 on: August 23, 2017, 12:14:56 PM »
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The entire media, democrats, republicans, all of them engaged in efforts to undermine and destroy the president.

It might help if Trump himself wasn't such an active participant in the effort. ;) :D

Which is simply another way of saying, what makes you think the effort isn't completely justified because Trump is the most incompetent President in living memory, if not in the history of the Presidency?

If the man is actually a fool, and is screwing up the nation internally and internationally, what do you expect the entire media, democrats, republicans and everyone else who loves this nation to do?  Sit back and enjoy the show?  ::)

Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it isn't true.

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« Reply #13 on: August 23, 2017, 12:15:18 PM »
The threat of the DNC under-preforming has nothing to do with the fringe and everything to do with it's "leadership".  (which is either lacking or out of touch)

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« Reply #14 on: August 23, 2017, 02:53:39 PM »
Crunch your playing the fool if you think the communication style of Obama taking about himself and Trump are the same

As for how it will end for the authentic left I suspect the movie ‘Beatriz at Dinner’ is correct in its outcome.
History will repeat itself and no one will have learned a fracking thing.

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« Reply #15 on: August 23, 2017, 04:25:32 PM »
Well, we already know some who are paying for Trump's rallies and vacations: the Secret Service.

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[T]he President and his children travel so much that 1,000 agents have already reached the limit of what the government can pay them for salary and overtime. The service is proposing to Congress to raise the amount they can pay agents from $160,000 to $187,000, but even if Congress agrees, about 130 agents would not be compensated for work they have already performed. A consequence of making agents work but not paying them has been serious attrition within the Service. When Barack Obama was president, Donald Trump constantly complained about him taking so many vacations and how much it cost the taxpayers. If Trump were to spend nearly every weekend in the White House, as Obama did, then the Secret Service would not have the problem it has now.

The article I quoted apparently was not entirely accurate.

Per Snopes, it won't be until near the end of the year that the agents will have reached their salary limit.  This is a similar problem to what was experienced last year, during the election.  And it is not clear that Trumps vacations significantly contributed to this; the original article stated that the financial shortfall was "in large part due to the sheer size of President Trump’s family and efforts necessary to secure their multiple residences up and down the East Coast."

So while there is a shortage of allocated funds to pay for Secret Service overtime, it does not appear to be because of Trump's rallies and vacations.  Although we can be sure that they are not helping the situation. ;)

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« Reply #16 on: August 23, 2017, 04:55:42 PM »
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The entire media, democrats, republicans, all of them engaged in efforts to undermine and destroy the president.

It might help if Trump himself wasn't such an active participant in the effort. ;) :D

Which is simply another way of saying, what makes you think the effort isn't completely justified because Trump is the most incompetent President in living memory, if not in the history of the Presidency?

If the man is actually a fool, and is screwing up the nation internally and internationally, what do you expect the entire media, democrats, republicans and everyone else who loves this nation to do?  Sit back and enjoy the show?  ::)

Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it isn't true.
You're staunchly and demonstrably post-factual, applying ideological litmus tests to what you consider "true" and clearly conflating your highly biased opinion with truth. Just because you think it doesn't make it true. ;D

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« Reply #17 on: August 23, 2017, 04:58:45 PM »
Crunch your playing the fool if you think the communication style of Obama taking about himself and Trump are the same

As for how it will end for the authentic left I suspect the movie ‘Beatriz at Dinner’ is correct in its outcome.
History will repeat itself and no one will have learned a fracking thing.
When it came to talking about himself, which was your critique, nobody holds a candle to Obama. Entire articles are written about Obama's narcissism. Call me names all you want, won't change the reality of what happened.  As for how it will end, I suspect Charlotesville is the preview although I suspect a few #resist true believers are going to learn quite a few lessons.

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« Reply #18 on: August 23, 2017, 05:08:35 PM »
So while there is a shortage of allocated funds to pay for Secret Service overtime, it does not appear to be because of Trump's rallies and vacations.  Although we can be sure that they are not helping the situation. ;)
The, let's say "irony" for now, of this is that I am certain you had no issue with this type spending in the Obama era, not for campaign style venues or lavish vacations, or long golfing trips. In fact, you probably approved and justified it. Tell me I'm wrong. ;D

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« Reply #19 on: August 23, 2017, 06:13:21 PM »
Evidently Brietbart dug this gem up:

From the Revolutionary Communist Party of the United States:

http://revcom.us/a/503/this-nightmare-must-end-the-trump-pence-regime-must-go-en.html

Although I find it funny that a site(revcom.us) that is openly Stalinist in turn links to:

https://refusefascism.org/

Because everybody knows that Stalinists are so much kinder and gentler than Nazis/Fascists, right?

And that site also seems to be calling for a mass revoltprotest in November of this year.

https://refusefascism.org/2017/08/06/this-nightmare-must-end-the-trumppence-regime-must-go/

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« Reply #20 on: August 23, 2017, 06:14:11 PM »
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When it came to talking about himself, which was your critique, nobody holds a candle to Obama.
Nobody has to call you names Crunch.  Just read what you post.  (Similar to Trump)

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« Reply #21 on: August 23, 2017, 06:45:30 PM »
So while there is a shortage of allocated funds to pay for Secret Service overtime, it does not appear to be because of Trump's rallies and vacations.  Although we can be sure that they are not helping the situation. ;)
The, let's say "irony" for now, of this is that I am certain you had no issue with this type spending in the Obama era, not for campaign style venues or lavish vacations, or long golfing trips. In fact, you probably approved and justified it. Tell me I'm wrong. ;D

Actually, I didn't think one way or the other about them, since they did not seem excessive.

But I'm glad to see that you feel the same way about Trump's frequent vacations as you did about Obama's. :)

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« Reply #22 on: August 24, 2017, 09:18:56 AM »
Actually, I didn't think one way or the other about them, since they did not seem excessive.
You did think about them, you commented heavily on them and fully supported the most lavish and expensive vacations possible with massive personal entourages.  8)

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« Reply #23 on: August 24, 2017, 09:21:21 AM »
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When it came to talking about himself, which was your critique, nobody holds a candle to Obama.
Nobody has to call you names Crunch.  Just read what you post.  (Similar to Trump)
Passive aggressive snark, clearly I've upset you. I'm not sure what it was that specifically got you there so please accept my generalized apology. :)

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« Reply #24 on: August 24, 2017, 10:30:04 AM »
Actually, I didn't think one way or the other about them, since they did not seem excessive.
You did think about them, you commented heavily on them and fully supported the most lavish and expensive vacations possible with massive personal entourages.  8)

And my half-dozen or so posts came to the conclusion that they were not excessive, pretty much in line with vacations that previous Presidents had taken.  So, after defending the President from what I saw as unjustified criticism, I pretty much forgot about it.

After all, there was apparently enough money in the Secret Service budget to cover those vacations.

G2, on the other hand, was absolutely outraged at the cost of those vacations, no matter how much Obama personally paid for the trips, especially after Obama had promised to show leadership in cutting back.

Poor guy must be apoplectic by now over seeing Trump taking vacations almost every weekend (after criticizing Obama for how much golf he played) and holding rallies just to boost his ego. ;)

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« Reply #25 on: August 24, 2017, 12:43:32 PM »
No apologies necessary Crunch.  I would not ask a tiger to change his stripes.  Name calling is either a tool of shame, to provoke changes of behavior, or warning labels to others.  Any post by you taken in isolation serves to prove one futile and the other unnecessary.