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“Are you just seeing how much you can lie without everyone noticing it? That isn't even the site you linked to. It was industrial safety products . com and it does have an F rating.Yup, that site does have an F rating. Wrong site does not equal “lie”, projecting are we?
“Even if the site you linked to didn't stink of a scam it still doesn't make the n95 shortage disappear. Its well documented in numerous articles I linked to. n95's aren't available on amazon nor do any results turn up when you search for n95 masks on google and click on shopping.”I never told you that I bought these from Amazon.
“And yet you responded to a statement about SARS 2003 with data about covid-19. And also you seem to be the only person using SARS as a general diagnosis for multiple viruses.”SARS-CoV-2 is a related closely enough to SARS-CoV-1 to draw reasonable comparisons depending upon what is being looked at. What specifically are you having problems with?
“Every reference I've seen to SARS, is a specific reference to the 2003 outbreak. It is a type of coronavirus and I suppose other coronaviruses could cause similar symptoms but the CDC and WHO both seem to reference the disease SARS as a product of that particular viral outbreak. It's not used as a general diagnosis for respiratory illnesses.“COVID ((coronavirus disease)-19 is caused by “SARS(Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome)-CoV(COVID)-2”, and “SARS(Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome)-CoV(COVID)” appeared in 2003. The nomenclature pretty much says it all. Both are diseases caused by a corona virus resulting in severe acute respiratory syndrome.
“Viruses can and do mutate and jump between animals and humans from time to time. That initial mutation causes the virus to appear spontaneously.”This is encouraging. You mean they “magically appear”?
“There is no evolutionary mechanism (short of herd immunity) that can cause a virus that has spread to thousands of hosts to spontaneously mutate into something non-virulent.”No, you are wrong. I already mentioned the three general mechanisms of viral genetic drift, to wit; spontaneous mutation, recombination, and reassortment. All that is needed for a mutation to become fixed is conferral of a reproductive advantage. Here is a link if you want a more detailed description of the phenomenon you say do not exist.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/neuroscience/virus-mutationYou are wrong about viral mutation versus virulence variability also. The flu pandemic of 1918 is “extinct” as a discrete specie, but its genetic legacy is still with us. I gave you a full article on virulence, and inter-specie host mutation earlier, but I think that it went over your head. Here is a crayon version from the Washington Post. :
“But the strand of the flu didn’t just disappear. The (1918) influenza virus continuously mutated, passing through humans, pigs and other mammals. The pandemic-level virus morphed into just another seasonal flu. Descendants of the 1918 H1N1 virus make up the influenza viruses we’re fighting today.“https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/history/2020/09/01/1918-flu-pandemic-end/%3foutputType=amp“The achievement is real.”Yes, you keep saying that, but your “evidence” remains a matter of personal faith, or revelation. Only the human smallpox virus clade has, or can be, declared “eliminated” through human intervention. That is because it was so specialized as a human pathogen that no other animal could act as a host. Notwithstanding, as also pointed out earlier, even that 181 year “achievement” comes with an asterix. The SARS-CoV, and SARS-CoV-2 have, by contrast, been found occurring naturally in Horseshoe bats, Masked palm civets, and Racoon dogs, additionally; it was discovered that people could infect their pet dogs, cats, and hamsters.
“... still coronaviruses similar that live in various animals and the virus could mutate in such a way to jump from animal to human again with similar consequences. But the coronavirus that caused SARS was eliminated”Well, at least some valid information is sticking in your head. Repetition will not help you on your conclusion though. I assume that you mean “eliminated” through human intervention? No, all you can say is that SARS-CoV-1 is not currently active in human hosts.
“... in the human population, at least for now. If the achievement weren't real, people would be getting sick. The virus would be spreading and people would be dying. The coronavirus that caused SARS didn't spread that easily and was most infectious when people had serious symptoms, so it was much, much easier to control than covid-19.Really?
“The virus would be spreading“, and
”people would be getting sick“, but people are not dying from the 1918 H1N1 virus either. Why?
“Oh, now you have shown me the error of my ways. I don't know why I would accept the prevailing opinion almost every epidemiologist who has studied the spread and containment of SARS.“You are being equivocal regarding the 2003 outbreak. “Containment” is not the same as “extinction”. I can see epidemiological support for the former. The latter is your own fabrication, offered as “proof”, based upon a negative.
“You clearly have all the evidence that the virus miraculously mutated in such a way to become non virulent but still provide immunity to the virulent form.“There the prophet of doom goes with the “miraculous“ again. The myraid of naturally occurring attenuated viruses actually do precisely what you are calling a miracle, to wit.; confer immunity against virulent forms through spontaneous mutation, recombination, or reassortment. The same principle is employed in the lab to manufacture live virus vaccines, minus spontaneous mutation.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3314307/“The virus mutated into a perfect vaccine. You have absolutely nothing to back up your theory.”No, you have the relevant citations. SARS-CoV-1 could now be non-virulent, and confer immunity, or not. Alternatively, it could still be fully virulent to humans, and just be hanging out in a bat-cave waiting to show up in a Chinese wet market. I am pretty confident that it did for some period, and has become “extinct” given the rapid mutation rate of corona viruses. Natural evolutionary mechanisms have had too much time to work on the original genome.
“The article you linked to about virulence and mutations was about when viruses jump species. It didn't do anything to support your claim.”I am purposely avoiding the possibility of inflicting insult given your sensitivity. Do you understand what viral genetic recombination means, and the role animal intermediaries have upon viral evolution?