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Re: A Message from the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump:
« Reply #1850 on: October 21, 2020, 02:10:22 PM »
I think what you have to remember, is that both legal and illegal aliens, as well as former felons are unable to vote. They still count for representation. Part of that is allocation of funds. If your district has thousands of people in the country on Visas, or have permanent resident cards, they are still driving on the roads, their kids are still going to public schools, and still utilize local health care. Illegal immigrants are still having impact on that infrastructure also. Leave it short, and you don't have adequate funds, and that impacts all the citizens living in that area also. With respect to representation, yes I think resident aliens with documentation do deserve a voice in Washington even if they are not citizens. I can't make an argument that illegals deserve impact on legislation, but I can't separate it from all the other uses of the census data.

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« Reply #1851 on: October 22, 2020, 12:29:16 AM »
I think what you have to remember, is that both legal and illegal aliens, as well as former felons are unable to vote. They still count for representation. Part of that is allocation of funds. If your district has thousands of people in the country on Visas, or have permanent resident cards, they are still driving on the roads, their kids are still going to public schools, and still utilize local health care. Illegal immigrants are still having impact on that infrastructure also. Leave it short, and you don't have adequate funds, and that impacts all the citizens living in that area also. With respect to representation, yes I think resident aliens with documentation do deserve a voice in Washington even if they are not citizens. I can't make an argument that illegals deserve impact on legislation, but I can't separate it from all the other uses of the census data.

If they can't vote, why do votes from pets and dead people get counted?

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« Reply #1852 on: October 22, 2020, 12:34:50 AM »
You do know that Democrat clerks will allow anyone on the voter rolls who supplies a SSN and a few utility bills. When I was in laydown areas in Vegas checking Construction drivers who came in to deliver material, you could always tell who was legal and who was not. The illegals put a stolen SSN on the top line of whatever paper work they supplied in 120-pt type. Legal citizens never show their SSN. How do you propose to stop such illegals from getting on the voter rolls?

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« Reply #1853 on: October 22, 2020, 01:14:26 AM »
I think what you have to remember, is that both legal and illegal aliens, as well as former felons are unable to vote. They still count for representation. Part of that is allocation of funds. If your district has thousands of people in the country on Visas, or have permanent resident cards, they are still driving on the roads, their kids are still going to public schools, and still utilize local health care. Illegal immigrants are still having impact on that infrastructure also. Leave it short, and you don't have adequate funds, and that impacts all the citizens living in that area also. With respect to representation, yes I think resident aliens with documentation do deserve a voice in Washington even if they are not citizens. I can't make an argument that illegals deserve impact on legislation, but I can't separate it from all the other uses of the census data.

At what point did anyone in here suggest we not allocate funding for public services in an area based on population?

I know I was very careful to make clear my issue was with the apportionment of seats in the House of Representatives. "their state of residence" still has 2 senators like everybody else does. They still have a Representative that covers their neighborhood, granted in a properly apportioned House of Representatives where only citizens or people "on a citizen track" are the ones to "get the full count" for apportionment they'll be one of a lot more people making requests. But "those are the breaks" when you decide you can't be bothered to play by the rules.

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« Reply #1854 on: October 22, 2020, 10:57:18 AM »
...I was very careful to make clear my issue was with the apportionment of seats in the House of Representatives. "their state of residence" still has 2 senators like everybody else does. They still have a Representative that covers their neighborhood, granted in a properly apportioned House of Representatives where only citizens or people "on a citizen track" are the ones to "get the full count" for apportionment they'll be one of a lot more people making requests. But "those are the breaks" when you decide you can't be bothered to play by the rules.

Yes, but the short-term solution is to do what Hospitals do with patents who cannot pay. They provide treatment gratis and swallow the cost. The long-term solution is to expel illegals. If one party thinks they can benefit from leaving the illegals where they are, then they purposefully cause harm. It is better for illegals to receive aid from their actual country of residence than in the land they squat in. If they come in legally, that is different. But illegals? They have only charitable privilege - not rights of any kind.

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« Reply #1855 on: October 22, 2020, 06:11:55 PM »
Somebody, please, call this man a whaaaaambulance:

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Excuse me, no, no, your first statement to me “this is going to be tough questions”.  Well, I don’t mind that. When you set up the interview you didn’t say that. You said “let’s have a lovely interview.”  And here’s what I do say: you don’t ask Joe Biden - I saw your interview with Joe - the interview with Joe Biden - it was a joke. The interview with 60 minutes.  I see Joe Biden getting softball after softball...

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« Reply #1856 on: October 23, 2020, 10:53:17 PM »
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We're not going to have a socialist president, especially a female socialist president, we're not gonna' have it, we're not gonna' put up with it.

There he goes, chasing after the women's vote again...

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« Reply #1857 on: October 24, 2020, 08:15:05 AM »
What trump calls tough questions are no Brainers for most humans who can pass something harder than naming an elephant on a cognitive test.

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« Reply #1858 on: October 24, 2020, 08:54:48 AM »
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By the way, we’re turning the corner. We are turning the corner on the virus.

It just now occurred to me what Trump might actually mean by this: maybe the "corner" that the county is "turning" is one where a critical mass of people get infected, beyond which it will be impossible to control the virus.  Maybe he thinks that if enough people get infected, transmission will become unstoppable, and at that point any effort to reduce infections would be wasted, so the country might just as well open up and get it over with - basically, the "close your eyes and think of the queen," strategy.

Maybe, just maybe, in this one case he is being honest.

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« Reply #1859 on: October 26, 2020, 12:36:56 AM »
This is such a snarky thread that posting in it is contraindicated - however, I might add I just saw an article listing the IQ of leaders and celebrities. Melania beat Michelle, and Trump beat Obama 156 to 145. I wonder what it says about people who believe liars and disinformers as easily as some here do. Biden was not mentioned at all, probably for good reason. FYI: James Woods had the highest IQ listed.

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« Reply #1860 on: October 26, 2020, 07:11:57 AM »
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By the way, we’re turning the corner. We are turning the corner on the virus.

It just now occurred to me what Trump might actually mean by this: maybe the "corner" that the county is "turning" is one where a critical mass of people get infected, beyond which it will be impossible to control the virus.  Maybe he thinks that if enough people get infected, transmission will become unstoppable, and at that point any effort to reduce infections would be wasted, so the country might just as well open up and get it over with - basically, the "close your eyes and think of the queen," strategy.

Maybe, just maybe, in this one case he is being honest.

Well, it took just a few hours for this snarky observation to have been shown as freakishly prescient, as by late morning, Mark Meadows was announcing the White House surrender to the virus.

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« Reply #1861 on: October 26, 2020, 12:54:10 PM »
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We have made tremendous progress with the China Virus, but the Fake News refuses to talk about it this close to the Election. COVID, COVID, COVID is being used by them, in total coordination, in order to change our great early election numbers.Should be an election law violation!

It's unclear whether Trump is simply lying again, or if he truly lives in another reality where the USA didn't just break the record for the highest new daily coronavirus case count since the beginning of the pandemic.

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« Reply #1862 on: October 26, 2020, 01:44:28 PM »
...It's unclear whether Trump is simply lying again, or if he truly lives in another reality where the USA didn't just break the record for the highest new daily coronavirus case count since the beginning of the pandemic.

You mean him stating we have far more testing than anyone else? When 99.98% of those testing positive get over it without most showing any symptoms, why are we locking down at all? Protect those who need protecting - but that does not mean giving Democrat Mayors and Governors dictatorial powers. Have you ever even mentioned Project Warpspeed? Have you ever mentioned a patient entering the hospital gets the hospital extra money if it is listed as Coronvirus?

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« Reply #1863 on: October 26, 2020, 01:47:36 PM »
225,000 US dead in 8 months.

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Re: A Message from the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump:
« Reply #1864 on: October 26, 2020, 01:56:47 PM »
Melania beat Michelle, and Trump beat Obama 156 to 145.

Speaking of replying to certain things being contraindicated...I do not believe for a minute that Trump has a 156 IQ score. Not that scoring well necessarily means you're brilliant; I suspect many of the people you'd meet at Mensa score well and are idiots in various relevant ways (low EQ, no ability to apply theory, no creativity, etc). Actually I have a hard time believing that Obama is a 145 either. He's bright, but I've never heard him say anything that showed him to be particularly intelligent.

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« Reply #1865 on: October 26, 2020, 02:09:49 PM »
Is there any evidence whatsoever that any of them have sat down for an IQ test in the past 40 years?  If so, I missed it.  Has Trump even provided his school transcripts? Again, no.  The 156 'estimate' came from assumptions that 'somebody on the internet' came up with, based on Trump being accepted at Wharton, the required SAT scores involved, and an estimate of how SAT scores map to IQ.

Except Trump was not accepted as a freshman at Wharton, but was rather a transfer student, and Wharton doesn't list SAT scores among its requirements for students transferring in.  And of course, we all know that standards are never stretched for the wealthy, and the wealthy never pay other people to take their SATs for them anyway...

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« Reply #1866 on: October 26, 2020, 02:19:56 PM »
You mean him stating we have far more testing than anyone else? When 99.98% of those testing positive get over it without most showing any symptoms, why are we locking down at all? Protect those who need protecting - but that does not mean giving Democrat Mayors and Governors dictatorial powers. Have you ever even mentioned Project Warpspeed? Have you ever mentioned a patient entering the hospital gets the hospital extra money if it is listed as Coronvirus?
The assumption that the rest of the world is not properly accounting for their cases, and more specifically, deaths associated to COVID-19, is seriously provincial on your part.

The USA leads the world win COVID-19 deaths, and that isn't because people are getting tested.

As for this ridiculous claim: "When 99.98% of those testing positive get over it without most showing any symptoms" - the case fatality rate in the USA is greater than 0.2% for every age group above 30 years.  So unless you don't consider death as a symptom, your estimate is off by more than an order of magnitude for the vast majority of the population.

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« Reply #1867 on: October 26, 2020, 02:54:56 PM »
Maybe if I did the math for you: 99.98% without symptoms would mean 2 people in 10,000 with symptoms.

There have been at least 225,000 deaths attributed to COVID-19.  If the only symptom of the illness were death, that would mean, for each of those 225,000 deaths, there would have to have been 4999 asymptomatic infections. That would require there to have been more than 1 billion infections in the USA alone.

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« Reply #1868 on: October 26, 2020, 11:02:16 PM »
Is there any evidence whatsoever that any of them have sat down for an IQ test in the past 40 years?  If so, I missed it.  Has Trump even provided his school transcripts? Again, no.  The 156 'estimate' came from assumptions that 'somebody on the internet' came up with, based on Trump being accepted at Wharton, the required SAT scores involved, and an estimate of how SAT scores map to IQ.

Except Trump was not accepted as a freshman at Wharton, but was rather a transfer student, and Wharton doesn't list SAT scores among its requirements for students transferring in.  And of course, we all know that standards are never stretched for the wealthy, and the wealthy never pay other people to take their SATs for them anyway...

Yet Obama was 145.  Go figger.

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« Reply #1869 on: October 27, 2020, 12:01:24 AM »
"Whoosh!" (the sound of words flying right over William's head)

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« Reply #1870 on: October 27, 2020, 02:49:27 AM »
Is there any evidence whatsoever that any of them have sat down for an IQ test in the past 40 years?  If so, I missed it.  Has Trump even provided his school transcripts?

If you're relying on school transcripts to predict IQ, you're in for a nasty shock. Some of the people held to among the world's most brilliant... Had abysmal grades in school, at just about every level.

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« Reply #1871 on: October 27, 2020, 02:52:45 AM »
The assumption that the rest of the world is not properly accounting for their cases, and more specifically, deaths associated to COVID-19, is seriously provincial on your part.

Well hey, in a world where China's media happily reports that they've tested a city of 10 million people for Covid19 in response to some isolated cases in the area and they can proudly report that nobody came back with a positive test result. What is there to do but throw in the towel.

Never mind the best covid19 tests out there have false positive rates that are significant fractions of the 1% range, if not higher.

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« Reply #1872 on: October 27, 2020, 11:14:48 AM »
And for a new low in Presidential ads: the Trump campaign says that Biden is literally a zombie.

Yeah, I know, it's supposed to be funny.  I'm sure Donald and all Republicans would be rolling on the floor if Biden put out an ad saying Trump was a pedophile (wink-wink, just kidding).  ;D  And I guess it was inevitable that he would call Biden a monster after calling Harris one.  At least he specified what kind of monster this time. :) 

How anyone can have any respect for this jerk is beyond me.  ::)

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« Reply #1873 on: October 27, 2020, 11:15:46 AM »
Is there any evidence whatsoever that any of them have sat down for an IQ test in the past 40 years?  If so, I missed it.  Has Trump even provided his school transcripts?

If you're relying on school transcripts to predict IQ, you're in for a nasty shock. Some of the people held to among the world's most brilliant... Had abysmal grades in school, at just about every level.
I think you're missing the point - William's contention that Trump has an IQ of 154 came from some rando on the internet making that argument based on Wharton's SAT requirements, and the fact that Trump got accepted to Wharton.

So, you're taking exception with William's argument, not mine :)

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« Reply #1874 on: October 27, 2020, 11:17:15 AM »
The assumption that the rest of the world is not properly accounting for their cases, and more specifically, deaths associated to COVID-19, is seriously provincial on your part.

Well hey, in a world where China's media happily reports that they've tested a city of 10 million people for Covid19 in response to some isolated cases in the area and they can proudly report that nobody came back with a positive test result. What is there to do but throw in the towel.

Never mind the best covid19 tests out there have false positive rates that are significant fractions of the 1% range, if not higher.
So China's ability to test has what relationship to Canada's or France's or Taiwan's or Australia's reported numbers..?

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« Reply #1875 on: October 27, 2020, 11:20:59 AM »
That zombie add looks like something out of SNL, except funny.  But is he a 28 Days later zombie or a Night of the Living Dead zombie.

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« Reply #1876 on: October 27, 2020, 12:50:54 PM »
Definitely not a 28 Days Later zombie. 

There is no imaginable way that Biden could run that fast.  ;D

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Re: A Message from the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump:
« Reply #1877 on: October 27, 2020, 01:59:56 PM »
Since the Sixty Minutes interview, we see they are still at it. According to 60 Minutes, President Trump’s press secretary, Kayleigh McEnany, gave us a heavy book that she described as the president’s health care plan. It was filled with executive orders and congressional initiatives, but no comprehensive healthcare plan. https://cbsn.ws/34qeB0b

However; Kayleigh McEnany noted that: Sixty Minutes is misleading you!!

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Notice they don’t mention that I gave Leslie 2 documents: a book of all President @realDonaldTrump has done & a plan of all he is going to do on healthcare — the America First Healthcare Plan which will deliver lower costs, more choice, better care.

Where are the fact checkers?


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« Reply #1878 on: October 27, 2020, 02:27:31 PM »
It's nearly four years into Trump's presidency.  When are we going to see this supposed plan?  If he is going to overturn the ACA it should be in place and ready to go .

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« Reply #1879 on: October 27, 2020, 02:32:17 PM »
Is there any evidence whatsoever that any of them have sat down for an IQ test in the past 40 years?  If so, I missed it.  Has Trump even provided his school transcripts?

If you're relying on school transcripts to predict IQ, you're in for a nasty shock. Some of the people held to among the world's most brilliant... Had abysmal grades in school, at just about every level.

IQ tests have been arguable since they first began. However; MENSA has many factors to allow the mentally gifted to join. I agree that Einstein had bad grades (of a sort) but he was also highly accredited in other areas. Idiot Savants can do miraculous things, but aren't accepted in general. In one area, their mentality is off the charts, but in basic survival skills they can't survive without help. Behavioral Psychologists are better at rating intellect, but all algorithms are suspect because the human condition is so varied.

I studied the Philosophy of Persuasion under Professor James V. McConnel at Michigan, and we looked at this stuff. It is possible to bracket a person's intellect. Libb Thims put together a list of the smartest people of all time based on both IQ and accomplishments. Richard "Rick" Rosner is top with scores between 140 and 250. Marilyn vos Savant came in second at 157 to 228. To establish these ratings, one must have intellectual markers that prove one's capacity and also accomplishments.

Using the Thims protocol, rating celebrities and the famous can be done, as long as school records and a history of their lives are available. The only assumed IQ tests we talked about that are not believable according to this methodology is Obama's because his school records are under lock and key, with zero product of his writings. He had no articles in the Crimson, of which he was an editor. His two autobiographies are believed to have been ghost-written for him by William Ayres, so all conjecture is moot.

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« Reply #1880 on: October 27, 2020, 02:34:14 PM »
It's nearly four years into Trump's presidency.  When are we going to see this supposed plan?  If he is going to overturn the ACA it should be in place and ready to go .

Ask Sixty Minutes and the other MSM outlets. If they don't publish what Trump has given them, then we don't see it. But you can always go to his official website - but that is too much work, neh?

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« Reply #1881 on: October 27, 2020, 02:38:14 PM »
Why not give it to Congress so it can be reviewed?  Or tweet it? That should take most of a morning for him.

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« Reply #1882 on: October 27, 2020, 02:42:50 PM »
i went to his site and did not find anything on his healthcare plan.  Care to link to it?  I see there is a spot in is Promises Kept about healthcare, but do not see a plan listed.

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« Reply #1883 on: October 27, 2020, 02:49:08 PM »
It's nearly four years into Trump's presidency.  When are we going to see this supposed plan?  If he is going to overturn the ACA it should be in place and ready to go .

Ask Sixty Minutes and the other MSM outlets. If they don't publish what Trump has given them, then we don't see it. But you can always go to his official website - but that is too much work, neh?

Here's what the whitehouse website has about healthcare.

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Obamacare is hurting American families, farmers, and small businesses with skyrocketing health insurance costs. Moreover, soaring deductibles and copays have made already unaffordable plans unusable. Close to half of U.S. counties are projected to have only one health insurer on their exchanges in 2018. Replacing Obamacare will force insurance companies to compete for their customers with lower costs and higher-quality service. In the meantime, the President is using his executive authority to reduce barriers to more affordable options for Americans and U.S. businesses.

That's it, then some links to speeches. No document laying out a plan and how it would work.

I couldn't even find an issues tab on Trump's campaign website.

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« Reply #1884 on: October 27, 2020, 02:51:51 PM »
i went to his site and did not find anything on his healthcare plan.  Care to link to it?  I see there is a spot in is Promises Kept about healthcare, but do not see a plan listed.

Yes, it is there. It is written about as well, as a program working through the House and Senate committees. Of course, the House blocks it. The one part that is questionable is the decree by Trump that the States need to accept PreConditions, when some States don't want to. https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/american-health-care-act-good-start/

It's been out there for over three years and is constantly changing, trying to accommodate Nancy's ravings to get it passed.

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« Reply #1885 on: October 27, 2020, 02:55:15 PM »
Ok that is a White House site, not official site.

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« Reply #1886 on: October 27, 2020, 02:57:11 PM »
That is a link to a Washington Post article from over 3 years ago.  Really? 

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« Reply #1887 on: October 27, 2020, 02:59:13 PM »
i went to his site and did not find anything on his healthcare plan.  Care to link to it?  I see there is a spot in is Promises Kept about healthcare, but do not see a plan listed.

Yes, it is there. It is written about as well, as a program working through the House and Senate committees. Of course, the House blocks it. The one part that is questionable is the decree by Trump that the States need to accept PreConditions, when some States don't want to. https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/american-health-care-act-good-start/

It's been out there for over three years and is constantly changing, trying to accommodate Nancy's ravings to get it passed.

"Trump's plan" is a link to a paywalled Washington post article from 3 years ago?

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« Reply #1888 on: October 27, 2020, 03:20:47 PM »
You're going to have a hard time demonizing Pelosi for blocking trumps Healthcare plans when she was the minority leader for the first two years of trumps presidency. You may have overlooked the part where the actual legislation on Healthcare couldn't get past a republican senate. It erased a bunch of things, but with no replacement.

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« Reply #1889 on: October 27, 2020, 03:49:50 PM »
You're going to have a hard time demonizing Pelosi for blocking trumps Healthcare plans when she was the minority leader for the first two years of trumps presidency. You may have overlooked the part where the actual legislation on Healthcare couldn't get past a republican senate. It erased a bunch of things, but with no replacement.

To be fair, for Trump's first two years, he was dealing with "never Trump Republicans" in Congress and the Democrats being insane with TDS.

For the last 2 years he's been dealing with TDS Democrats in the House not allowing anything to happen.

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« Reply #1890 on: October 27, 2020, 03:58:56 PM »
...for Trump's first two years, he was dealing with "never Trump Republicans" in Congress and the Democrats being insane with TDS.

It was Paul Ryan's "Never-Trumpism" that allowed the House to go over to the Democrats and let Pelosi take over. So much could have been so much better if he had supported his President. Can you imagine the greatness that could have been even better without the House being in the hands of saboteurs?

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« Reply #1891 on: October 27, 2020, 04:51:45 PM »
You're going to have a hard time demonizing Pelosi for blocking trumps Healthcare plans when she was the minority leader for the first two years of trumps presidency. You may have overlooked the part where the actual legislation on Healthcare couldn't get past a republican senate. It erased a bunch of things, but with no replacement.

To be fair, for Trump's first two years, he was dealing with "never Trump Republicans" in Congress and the Democrats being insane with TDS.

For the last 2 years he's been dealing with TDS Democrats in the House not allowing anything to happen.

And all that kept him from posting a coherent health care strategy on the white house webpage or his reelection website?

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« Reply #1892 on: October 27, 2020, 04:54:27 PM »
You're going to have a hard time demonizing Pelosi for blocking trumps Healthcare plans when she was the minority leader for the first two years of trumps presidency. You may have overlooked the part where the actual legislation on Healthcare couldn't get past a republican senate. It erased a bunch of things, but with no replacement.

Dunno if anyone saw this segment, but it's sort of crazy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqPltMpWIwo&ab_channel=CNN

Pelosi is basically accusing Blitzer of ignorance, and practically of treason (to his side), for taking her to task in this sort of direct manner. In fact I don't know whether her statements are completely accurate or not (i.e. that the minutiae of the proposed bill were in fact so bad that it had to be blocked at that stage), but she gets really shaken up at him. At first glance it looks like she really wasn't expecting to have this kind of interview and got tilted.

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Re: A Message from the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump:
« Reply #1893 on: October 27, 2020, 07:49:20 PM »
You're going to have a hard time demonizing Pelosi for blocking trumps Healthcare plans when she was the minority leader for the first two years of trumps presidency. You may have overlooked the part where the actual legislation on Healthcare couldn't get past a republican senate. It erased a bunch of things, but with no replacement.

Dunno if anyone saw this segment, but it's sort of crazy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqPltMpWIwo&ab_channel=CNN

Pelosi is basically accusing Blitzer of ignorance, and practically of treason (to his side), for taking her to task in this sort of direct manner. In fact I don't know whether her statements are completely accurate or not (i.e. that the minutiae of the proposed bill were in fact so bad that it had to be blocked at that stage), but she gets really shaken up at him. At first glance it looks like she really wasn't expecting to have this kind of interview and got tilted.

She was bullying in her remarks. The main reason her first proposals were marked down was because of her inclusion to bail out Democrat Mayors and Governors who have over-promised union retirement benefits, that have nothing to do with Coronavirus. Her haring off at child-care benefits and earned income tax credits is ridiculous. Wolff nailed the only reason she is blocking the funds, and that is for Trump's name not to appear on any checks before the election.

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Re: A Message from the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump:
« Reply #1894 on: October 28, 2020, 09:40:15 PM »
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we're getting your husbands back to work.

It's a start.  Now he just to start his outreach to women from the 1960s, the 1970s, the 1980s, the 1990s...

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Re: A Message from the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump:
« Reply #1895 on: October 28, 2020, 10:53:18 PM »
This election is so clear... Trump loves his country, and does what he can to benefit the people. He has put his business dealings on hold and donated his salary, while Biden lives in a ten million dollar home with four other places he can hang his hat, all on the salary of a Senator or VP. He met with Chinese, Ukrainian, Russian, and other foreign rulers to extort wealth to his family who then kick back to him. He says he never took a cent from any foreign nation - knowing full well he channeled millions of dollars to his family and then took his cut from them, which purchased all his homes and expensive clothes. He also knew Hunter was involved with child sex, and he and his wife covered up his own predations on his niece. Worse, China knew also and has Biden by the short hairs.

He called China not our enemy, and their growth is good for us, and then sent most of our manufacturing jobs there, as Obama then called our dearth of manufacturing the "new normal." Obama said Trump could never return many manufacturing jobs - and what magic wand did he have that he thought he could. Yet Trump removed the Obama/Biden regulations and taxes that drove them out, which miraculously brought them back.

Biden claims the Obama/Biden recovery was the basis for Trump's good record - yet the Obama/Biden recovery was the slowest in 90 years. Trump's recovery was miraculous for real. Highest market in history. Lowest unemployment numbers ever. Lowest for minorities, women, and the middle class. His tax cuts most rewarded the lower income quintiles, and his plans to aid minority communities, rebuild the neglected military, and fix the VA. Everything he did was great. MAGA.

China set a virus on us from a lab in Wuhan owned by Soros and Gates, but Trump's quick reaction blocked immigration from infected areas, and Biden and the Democrats fought him every inch of the way. He provided ventilators, PPEs, and extra hospital space to everyone - including Blue cities and states that hated him. His Operation Warpspeed has vaccines starting up in record time, with logistics for delivery already in place.

Biden has adopted the Green New Deal as the framework for his policies, and has agreed to turn the country socialist. ...Into a another Venezuela. McConnell has accepted the Democrat strategy to eliminate Cloture and put Originalists into every level of Justice. Trump has named great jurists, and Biden is afraid to name a single possibility for fear of offending his base.

The lockdown is decidedly punitive in Blue areas, which have the worst results against Coronavirus. Other places have opened business and realized having the sniffles is not the end-all and be-all. The Dems have moved Heaven and Earth to block all the good that Trump has accomplished in spite of their intransigence.

Biden is dirty and a traitor to his nation, yet the MSM and other Dems enable all his crimes - and repeat any political spin.

...The election is so clear.
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Re: A Message from the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump:
« Reply #1896 on: October 28, 2020, 11:14:46 PM »
Sure he has.  It's not like the secret service and others in his administration and the GOP haven't paid millions of dollars directly to his properties over the past 4 years... that's quite the hold.

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Re: A Message from the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump:
« Reply #1897 on: October 29, 2020, 08:31:22 AM »
It's gotten to the point where Trump is inadvertently producing and putting out Biden ads on Twitter.

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Re: A Message from the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump:
« Reply #1898 on: October 29, 2020, 11:08:52 AM »

I think a balanced report - Did Trump keep his promises
https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/1812959299659

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Re: A Message from the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump:
« Reply #1899 on: October 29, 2020, 11:15:39 AM »
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Biden is dirty and a traitor to his nation, yet the MSM and other Dems enable all his crimes - and repeat any political spin.
I find what I suspect is your blindness to your own unconditional support of Trump and Republicans while condemning the Dems fascinating. You dismiss all charges against trump and then reverse those arguments to condemn Biden.  You cannot fathom how people might think that Trump is dirty and a traitor to his nation
For you everything is All or Nothing. No nuance with no abiltiy to discriminate

Seriously  you should spend some time reevaluate you sources of information.