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Pete at Home

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Re: A Message from the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump:
« Reply #150 on: November 02, 2019, 10:07:50 AM »
DW, wtf? You aren’t usually the type to uncritically parrot what the leftwit mob is saying without thinking for yourself.

Trump explicitly claims that women CONSENT to having his kitty grabbing.  It’s a wishful thinking locker room brag.

If leftwits could produce a woman whom Trump had nonconsentually kitty-grabbed,
then the could reasonably claim that the line describes assault (although an educated leftwit would more correctly call it battery), arguing that Trump assumes consent like Madonna did onstage with Drake. (“I’m Madonna, bitch.” she told him when he resisted her forced kiss onstage).


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Re: A Message from the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump:
« Reply #152 on: November 02, 2019, 03:08:56 PM »
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_sexual_misconduct_allegations

I hope that wasn’t supposed to respond to my question.

The general disrespect, narcissism and misogyny implicit in Trump’s grabbing remark (like Madonna’s “I’m Madonna, bitch”) *does* generally support sexual misconduct allegations. Nevertheless, the sentence neither describes nor admits actual assault or battery.  This should be obvious, but leftwits have turned the phrase into an emperors new clothes test, just as they did the Obama undocumented voters flap. This sort of systematic public gaslighting is IMO the principal reason that Trump got elected in the first place.

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Re: A Message from the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump:
« Reply #153 on: November 02, 2019, 11:33:18 PM »
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produce a woman whom Trump had nonconsentually kitty-grabbed,
then the could reasonably claim that the line describes assault
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_sexual_misconduct_allegations

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Re: A Message from the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump:
« Reply #154 on: November 03, 2019, 08:15:30 AM »
So you’re making the accusation that Ttump is just like Bill Clinton?

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Re: A Message from the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump:
« Reply #155 on: November 03, 2019, 09:15:58 AM »
Sure, although I don't think Clinton bragged about assaulting women.  Which is irrelevant to the point being made, that notwithstanding Pete's "not a true Scottish rapist" argument, there are plenty of women alleging that Trump DID touch them sexually without consent.

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Re: A Message from the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump:
« Reply #156 on: November 03, 2019, 10:47:35 AM »
Yeah, Kavanaugh too. Literally 1000’s of allegations since he ran a rape gang when he was a teen.

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Re: A Message from the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump:
« Reply #157 on: November 03, 2019, 01:28:29 PM »
I don't think that word means what you think it means

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Re: A Message from the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump:
« Reply #158 on: November 03, 2019, 07:08:51 PM »
Sure, although I don't think Clinton bragged about assaulting women.  Which is irrelevant to the point being made, that notwithstanding Pete's "not a true Scottish rapist" argument,t



I don’t know why this is so hard for you, Donald.
I said that rape involves a violation of consent.
You are supposed to have a legal education.
Trump claimed that women consent to him grabbing them.

In your little nook of Canada, does the word “grab” signify “without consent”?
Please think harder.

I said th


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Re: A Message from the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump:
« Reply #159 on: November 03, 2019, 07:49:53 PM »
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If leftwits could produce a woman whom Trump had nonconsentually kitty-grabbed,
then the could reasonably claim that the line describes assault 
Your words, your challenge, your conclusion, Pete. Maybe you misspoke - but then own your mistake.
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Re: A Message from the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump:
« Reply #160 on: November 03, 2019, 07:54:47 PM »
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If leftwits could produce a woman whom Trump had nonconsentually kitty-grabbed,
then the could reasonably claim that the line describes assault 
Your words, your challenge, your conclusion, Pete.

What the hell does that have to do with the “no true Scotsman” fallacy? Or are you just repeating something you heard?

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Re: A Message from the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump:
« Reply #161 on: November 04, 2019, 09:11:07 AM »
WB Pete.  Had to scroll up to mid September to see what you were on about.  :P  Sorry I didn't pay enough attention to Clinton for your liking. 

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Re: A Message from the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump:
« Reply #162 on: November 04, 2019, 06:51:20 PM »
I don't think that word means what you think it means

Oh, you saw Princess Bride and can quote it. Wow, deep. Now do one about killing your father! That always proves a point. Always.

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Re: A Message from the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump:
« Reply #163 on: November 05, 2019, 05:43:46 PM »
President Donald Trump:

"False stories are being reported that a few Republican Senators are saying that President Trump may have done a quid pro quo, but it doesn’t matter, there is nothing wrong with that, it is not an impeachable event. Perhaps so, but read the transcript, there is no quid pro quo!"

Parse that!  :P

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Re: A Message from the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump:
« Reply #164 on: November 06, 2019, 11:31:12 AM »
President Donald Trump:

"False stories are being reported that a few Republican Senators are saying that President Trump may have done a quid pro quo, but it doesn’t matter, there is nothing wrong with that, it is not an impeachable event. Perhaps so, but read the transcript, there is no quid pro quo!"

Parse that!  :P

Classic Trump, "FAKE NEWS, and if I did do it its not illegal/bad anyway. I didn't do it."

As a persuasion strategy, it is much more effective on his supporters than I would have ever anticipated prior to seeing it work.

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Re: A Message from the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump:
« Reply #165 on: November 06, 2019, 12:29:45 PM »
Is there any rhyme or reason to him switching from first to third person statements?  I've never really studied rhetorical devices but the guy's seemingly chaotic style is interesting if nothing else. 

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Re: A Message from the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump:
« Reply #166 on: November 06, 2019, 03:25:39 PM »
Is there any rhyme or reason to him switching from first to third person statements?  I've never really studied rhetorical devices but the guy's seemingly chaotic style is interesting if nothing else.

What I find interesting if the only a few people can pull that off and not be dismissed out of hand. Trump speech style is calculated and one he’s worked at to master. Those that say that’s just how he is, Trump being Trump greatly underestimate him and the power of that type of rhetoric. 

Boris Johnson plays at being foolish and deliberately messes his hair before he speaks. There is intent behind the ‘madness’ and its not honesty.
Hitler was thought to be a great orator, but he wasn’t. Hitler oratory was performance not eloquence.   (not comparing Trump to Hitler)

Canadian PM Chretien had a heavy Quebec accent and whenever he found himself in a tight spot it would get really thick and confusing. His statements wouldn’t make sense, and it worked because he never said what he said. Very effective. 


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Re: A Message from the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump:
« Reply #167 on: November 13, 2019, 06:02:21 PM »
“You’re doing a fantastic job for the people of Turkey.”

--President Trump to Turkey President Recep Tayyip Erdogan

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Re: A Message from the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump:
« Reply #168 on: November 26, 2019, 04:23:41 PM »
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Pres. Trump says Bread and Butter, turkeys vying for Thanksgiving pardon, have "already received subpoenas to appear in Adam Schiff's basement on Thursday."

"But Bread and Butter, I should note that unlike previous witnesses, you and I have actually met.

LMAO


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Re: A Message from the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump:
« Reply #170 on: November 29, 2019, 11:03:48 PM »
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Pres. Trump says Bread and Butter, turkeys vying for Thanksgiving pardon, have "already received subpoenas to appear in Adam Schiff's basement on Thursday."

"But Bread and Butter, I should note that unlike previous witnesses, you and I have actually met.

LMAO

Clear the Presidential Pardon of Bread and Butter was a political action, we need to the Attorney General from the relevant state launch an in depth investigation into the background of the pardoned individuals in question and make sure there is no foul play involved in these action, and level state charges if warranted.

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Re: A Message from the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump:
« Reply #171 on: November 30, 2019, 08:05:13 AM »
I’m mildly surprised there weren’t three turkeys named quid, pro, and quo. Given Trump’s mastery of the troll, a turkey named impeachment or Schiff could have been done.

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Re: A Message from the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump:
« Reply #172 on: December 05, 2019, 01:44:03 PM »
"That was funny when I said that guy was two-faced."

President of the United States of America, Donald Trump, referring to his name-calling of Canadian President Justin Trudeau.

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Re: A Message from the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump:
« Reply #173 on: December 06, 2019, 09:45:38 AM »
"That was funny when I said that guy was two-faced."

President of the United States of America, Donald Trump, referring to his name-calling of Canadian President Justin Trudeau.

Its a interesting personality trait. The Donald loves to make fun of people and make up nick names for them, those he likes and dislikes but when someone laughs at him or calls him a name hes the biggest victim in the world. In the former case his followers love it especially if it pushes against polite correctness like making fun of the handicap. But in the latter case are outraged at how anyone could pick on Trump. 

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« Reply #174 on: December 06, 2019, 10:00:16 AM »
I'm not outraged at all.  It's stunning to me that Trump can't take an insult given how willing he is to dish them out.  He's like the classic forum poster who has to respond to every thing, every time no matter how ridiculous a position he has to take to do so.

He has absolutely no ability to just publically laugh it off, or even to make a self deprecating joke to smooth it over.  It is a definite weakness and a flaw that I wish he'd work on.

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Re: A Message from the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump:
« Reply #175 on: December 06, 2019, 11:03:52 AM »
I believe there is a link between self-deprecating humour and overall psychological well being. I also think Trump's over-the-top ego is not all that unique in private sector CEOs, and that there's a potential link to psychopathy in people who exhibit those kinds of traits*.




*I am not a psychologist.

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Re: A Message from the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump:
« Reply #176 on: December 06, 2019, 11:25:42 AM »
By private sector, do you perhaps mean privately held companies? Ceos of public companies tend to know all the right moves, and often display humility whether genuine or not. In my opinion, sole proprieters of local companies display these traits most.

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« Reply #177 on: December 06, 2019, 11:57:34 AM »
By private sector, do you perhaps mean privately held companies? Ceos of public companies tend to know all the right moves, and often display humility whether genuine or not. In my opinion, sole proprieters of local companies display these traits most.

Usually private sector is the counterpoint to government employees, or to companies working off of government money (like nonprofits working off grants). My most common use of the phrase "private sector" comes when I observe how poorly run a a department is or how much an employee doesn't care about doing the job properly, and usually my comment is something to the effect that "wow, this wouldn't pass muster in the private sector." The reason being, misbehaving in the private sector often results in getting hell from your boss or being fired, and this starts at the top where some kind of efficiency is needed in order to turn a profit.

My takeaway, at least, when ScottF mentioned psychopathy in the private sector is that in the private sector one often has to bust heads and make cold, calculated decisions (layoffs, cuts, re-assigning resources, etc, even aggressive sales practices) to cut it, and psychopaths are probably well-suited to this type of comportment. Whereas in nonprofits or government jobs it's doubtful that such militant department leadership is the norm.

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Re: A Message from the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump:
« Reply #178 on: December 06, 2019, 12:33:56 PM »
Oh, I know what private sector generally means, but it didn't make sense to me in context, so I asked to clarify.

It's a common misconception that only an abrasive hard ass can make the tough decisions and guide a company to success.

Level 5 leaders are empirically shown to have better results and build enduring companies.

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The good-to-great executives were all cut from the same cloth. It didn’t matter whether the company was consumer or industrial, in crisis or steady state, offered services or products. It didn’t matter when the transition took place or how big the company. All the good-to-great companies had Level 5 leadership at the time of transition. Furthermore, the absence of Level 5 leadership showed up as a consistent pattern in the comparison companies. Given that Level 5 leadership cuts against the grain of conventional wisdom, especially the belief that we need larger-than-life saviors with big personalities to transform companies, it is important to note that Level 5 is an empirical finding, not an ideological one.

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Re: A Message from the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump:
« Reply #179 on: December 06, 2019, 01:02:25 PM »
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I'm not outraged at all.

I was generalizing but used the word 'followers' intentionally instead of supporters.

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Re: A Message from the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump:
« Reply #180 on: December 06, 2019, 03:02:34 PM »
I believe there is a link between self-deprecating humour and overall psychological well being. I also think Trump's over-the-top ego is not all that unique in private sector CEOs, and that there's a potential link to psychopathy in people who exhibit those kinds of traits*.

There is indeed a link.  Basically the ability to 'forgive' insults and percieved slights is oxytocin dependent (via two paths, one associated with empathy).

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2008/05/neurochemistry-forgiving-and-forgetting

https://www.bustle.com/articles/184793-how-forgiveness-works-and-why-its-good-for-you

The lack of empathy in Psychopathy/sociopathy/narcissism is due to a mutation of the oxytocin receptor.  So they are incapable of forgiveness in the way that normal people are. This is why you see it is common for them to hold grudges and exact revenge over stuff that others think are fairly trivial matters.  Narcissists are particullarly sensitive to percieved humilation and are particularly prone to seeking revenge.
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Re: A Message from the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump:
« Reply #181 on: December 06, 2019, 05:47:57 PM »
"That was funny when I said that guy was two-faced."

President of the United States of America, Donald Trump, referring to his name-calling of Canadian President Justin Trudeau.

Its a interesting personality trait. The Donald loves to make fun of people and make up nick names for them, those he likes and dislikes but when someone laughs at him or calls him a name hes the biggest victim in the world.

Not the biggest in the world.  Just the biggest on the right. 

I warned for decades that Right wingers would eventually catch onto the leftist language of righteous victimization and that the combination of leftwit tactics and Rightwad agenda would put the national discourse out of its misery.  I hate being right.

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Re: A Message from the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump:
« Reply #182 on: December 06, 2019, 05:52:36 PM »
I believe there is a link between self-deprecating humour and overall psychological well being. I also think Trump's over-the-top ego is not all that unique in private sector CEOs, and that there's a potential link to psychopathy in people who exhibit those kinds of traits*.

There is indeed a link.  Basically the ability to 'forgive' insults and percieved slights is oxytocin dependent (via two paths, one associated with empathy).

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2008/05/neurochemistry-forgiving-and-forgetting

https://www.bustle.com/articles/184793-how-forgiveness-works-and-why-its-good-for-you

The lack of empathy in Psychopathy/sociopathy/narcissism is due to a mutation of the oxytocin receptor.  So they are incapable of forgiveness in the way that normal people are. This is why you see it is common for them to hold grudges and exact revenge over stuff that others think are fairly trivial matters.  Narcissists are particullarly sensitive to percieved humilation and are particularly prone to seeking revenge.

Interesting.  Wouldn't that mean that Pathonarcs experience marijuana differently?   I'm picturing something like the Blade Runner Empathy test on weed :)

Maybe that would explain why our last narcicist in chief "didn't inhale"
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Re: A Message from the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump:
« Reply #183 on: December 06, 2019, 07:02:11 PM »
"They got rid of the lightbulb that people got used to. The new bulb is many times more expensive, and I hate to say it, it doesn't make you look as good. Of course, being a vain person, that's very important to me. It gives you an orange look. I don't want an orange look. Has anyone noticed? So we'll have to change those bulbs in rooms where I'm in."

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Re: A Message from the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump:
« Reply #184 on: December 07, 2019, 11:07:53 AM »
"They got rid of the lightbulb that people got used to. The new bulb is many times more expensive, and I hate to say it, it doesn't make you look as good. Of course, being a vain person, that's very important to me. It gives you an orange look. I don't want an orange look. Has anyone noticed? So we'll have to change those bulbs in rooms where I'm in."

Funny parody.  I could definitely see people falling for this one.

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Re: A Message from the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump:
« Reply #185 on: December 07, 2019, 12:04:54 PM »
Damnit - it wasn't a parody?  Looks like he was doing a joke (also a shocker since it is a bit self depricating humor).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_iFi1qH8Cg

As to 'why get rid of plastic straws' - it is because they jam the gears of recycling and processing equipment.
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Re: A Message from the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump:
« Reply #186 on: December 07, 2019, 04:44:55 PM »
It’s really not much of a shocker, Trump does self deprecating jokes all the time. There are articles written about it.

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Re: A Message from the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump:
« Reply #187 on: December 12, 2019, 04:59:14 PM »
Nothing to quote--you just got to see this for yourself.

A legend in his own mind. :)  (And proof positive that he's in great shape.  Why, he has the body of the 16-year-old!)  ;D

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Re: A Message from the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump:
« Reply #188 on: December 20, 2019, 01:38:08 PM »
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A far left magazine, or very "progressive," as some would call it, which has been doing poorly and hasn't been involved with the Billy Graham family for many years, Christianity Today, knows nothing about reading a perfect transcript of a routine phone call and would rather.....

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Re: A Message from the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump:
« Reply #189 on: December 20, 2019, 01:53:54 PM »
It’s really not much of a shocker, Trump does self deprecating jokes all the time. There are articles written about it.

You think he's being funny, but to most people he's out of touch and regurgitates an inane and distorted sense of reality that he swallows whole from FOX.  Remember his claim that wind turbines aren't safe because they kill nearly a million birds a year?  That was a hoot.  Cars kill about 200 million a year, but he didn't bring up that old chestnut.
But wind turbines do cause cancer, right?  Wow, why didn't I think of that one!  How about people  having to flush their toilets 15 times because the water just trickles out.  I think I cracked a rib on that one.  I'm a stable genius!  Ha, ha, Mr. Ed is yelling neigh! neigh! in professional appreciation...

When you tell and repeat close to 100 lies a week to national audiences with a straight face, some of them have to be jokes, right?  He should probably have his own show where he can say anything he wants...wait, he already does!

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Re: A Message from the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump:
« Reply #190 on: December 20, 2019, 05:50:59 PM »
It’s really not much of a shocker, Trump does self deprecating jokes all the time. There are articles written about it.

You think he's being funny, but to most people he's out of touch and regurgitates an inane and distorted sense of reality that he swallows whole from FOX.  Remember his claim that wind turbines aren't safe because they kill nearly a million birds a year?  That was a hoot.  Cars kill about 200 million a year, but he didn't bring up that old chestnut.
But wind turbines do cause cancer, right?  Wow, why didn't I think of that one!  How about people  having to flush their toilets 15 times because the water just trickles out.  I think I cracked a rib on that one.  I'm a stable genius!  Ha, ha, Mr. Ed is yelling neigh! neigh! in professional appreciation...

When you tell and repeat close to 100 lies a week to national audiences with a straight face, some of them have to be jokes, right?  He should probably have his own show where he can say anything he wants...wait, he already does!

No link...

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Re: A Message from the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump:
« Reply #191 on: December 20, 2019, 06:56:39 PM »
It’s really not much of a shocker, Trump does self deprecating jokes all the time. There are articles written about it.

You think he's being funny, but to most people he's out of touch and regurgitates an inane and distorted sense of reality that he swallows whole from FOX.  Remember his claim that wind turbines aren't safe because they kill nearly a million birds a year?  That was a hoot.  Cars kill about 200 million a year, but he didn't bring up that old chestnut.
But wind turbines do cause cancer, right?  Wow, why didn't I think of that one!  How about people  having to flush their toilets 15 times because the water just trickles out.  I think I cracked a rib on that one.  I'm a stable genius!  Ha, ha, Mr. Ed is yelling neigh! neigh! in professional appreciation...

When you tell and repeat close to 100 lies a week to national audiences with a straight face, some of them have to be jokes, right?  He should probably have his own show where he can say anything he wants...wait, he already does!

No link...

Which part are you needing proof of?  Those things are all more or less common knowledge 🤔

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Re: A Message from the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump:
« Reply #192 on: December 20, 2019, 07:22:06 PM »
Which part are you needing proof of?  Those things are all more or less common knowledge 🤔

Because common knowledge has never been wrong in the history of common knowledge. :)

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Re: A Message from the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump:
« Reply #193 on: December 20, 2019, 07:27:58 PM »
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No link...

Nyuk, nyuk.  I've already dismissed that pushback, so you not responding stands on its own.  No offense, Crunch, but if you don't have anything to bring to the discussion, maybe you should just sit and watch.

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Re: A Message from the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump:
« Reply #194 on: December 21, 2019, 07:46:11 AM »
Which part are you needing proof of?  Those things are all more or less common knowledge 🤔

Because common knowledge has never been wrong in the history of common knowledge. :)
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That's ironically un-self-aware, since Crunch's superpower appears to be parroting common knowledge that is really just folklore.  You seem to be agreeing here.  You can check the things I cited and find that all of them are documented and true except for what I attributed to Mr. Ed.  He's too smart to get involved.

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Re: A Message from the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump:
« Reply #195 on: December 21, 2019, 09:12:24 AM »
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No link...

Nyuk, nyuk.  I've already dismissed that pushback, so you not responding stands on its own.  No offense, Crunch, but if you don't have anything to bring to the discussion, maybe you should just sit and watch.

You dismissed it? Link please, otherwise we must assume you made that up. Your rules, enjoy them!!

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Re: A Message from the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump:
« Reply #196 on: December 21, 2019, 09:22:02 AM »
Let's try it the other way 'round since you're playing at being a skeptic.  What did I say that you know is not true?  I'll check back in a few days to see if you've come up with anything.

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Re: A Message from the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump:
« Reply #197 on: December 21, 2019, 09:45:26 AM »
Let's try it the other way 'round since you're playing at being a skeptic.  What did I say that you know is not true?  I'll check back in a few days to see if you've come up with anything.

Let me save you time. Its the quantity of lies. While it may be arguable Trump tells 100 lies a week, his supporters will pick that list apart and argue 70 of them are really just opinions and another 15 are minor or not important. The people who make those lists would do better if they valued quality over quantity.

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« Reply #198 on: December 21, 2019, 11:14:20 AM »
If the new standard is all-I-say-is-true-and-documented then I'd also need "but to most people he's out of touch..." backed up. I'd be curious as to what sources indicate most people feel this way.

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« Reply #199 on: December 21, 2019, 11:51:55 AM »
Unless you meant most of the people you know, most of the people in media, or something like that?