Author Topic: Trump Lawyer Argues President Can't Be Prosecuted for Murder While in Office  (Read 28673 times)

Crunch

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Not only is it a stupid proposition, it’s not even a real one. smh

TheDeamon

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The New York investigation stinks, but then I'm going off of memory, as I recall the State AG had previously made clear his intention to run Trump through a wringer, and not just Trump, but everyone associated with him. His basis for doing so basically boiled down to "He won an election I don't think he should have."

Presidential immunity is a side-issue in this case involving the State of NY, private citizen protections against abuse of investigative authority for purely political objectives is (un-ironically) on the agenda here.

The NY Case is almost entirely political in nature, and only exists because Trump is PotUS. Thus making it a prime candidate for a case which should wait until Trump(and the AG) are both out of office.

NobleHunter

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Re: Trump Lawyer Argues President Can't Be Prosecuted for Murder While in Office
« Reply #152 on: November 01, 2019, 11:54:26 AM »
The New York investigation stinks, but then I'm going off of memory, as I recall the State AG had previously made clear his intention to run Trump through a wringer, and not just Trump, but everyone associated with him. His basis for doing so basically boiled down to "He won an election I don't think he should have."

Presidential immunity is a side-issue in this case involving the State of NY, private citizen protections against abuse of investigative authority for purely political objectives is (un-ironically) on the agenda here.

The NY Case is almost entirely political in nature, and only exists because Trump is PotUS. Thus making it a prime candidate for a case which should wait until Trump(and the AG) are both out of office.

Which seems like a valid argument to make. That's not what Trump's lawyers are arguing though. It's the difference between "
"shouldn't" and "can't." It may be true that the Court shouldn't allow this to continue while Trump is President but that's not nearly the same thing as saying the Court can't allow the investigation to continue.

Crunch

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Re: Trump Lawyer Argues President Can't Be Prosecuted for Murder While in Office
« Reply #153 on: November 02, 2019, 08:20:21 AM »
Back to the point of this thread, Obama murdered Anwar Al-awaki and his son. You guys in a tither over Trump’s lawyer talking about it actually defended Obama literally doing it.

TheDrake

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Re: Trump Lawyer Argues President Can't Be Prosecuted for Murder While in Office
« Reply #154 on: November 03, 2019, 10:47:58 AM »
That's not remotely similar and you know it. Unless you think all collateral damage is murder. And that the soldiers are war criminals

Fenring

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Re: Trump Lawyer Argues President Can't Be Prosecuted for Murder While in Office
« Reply #155 on: November 03, 2019, 11:20:01 AM »
Unless you think all collateral damage is murder. And that the soldiers are war criminals

Taking an extreme position like this renders you incapable of fine distinctions. Instead of using words like "all" I would suggesting trying "some", and then you'll more likely find an agreeable proposition.

TheDrake

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Re: Trump Lawyer Argues President Can't Be Prosecuted for Murder While in Office
« Reply #156 on: November 03, 2019, 11:26:48 AM »
How about the cited example then? Was Obamas drone pilot a war criminal?

Fenring

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Re: Trump Lawyer Argues President Can't Be Prosecuted for Murder While in Office
« Reply #157 on: November 03, 2019, 12:47:57 PM »
How about the cited example then? Was Obamas drone pilot a war criminal?

Let's ask a different question: why is there so much burnout of drone operators, with many of them saying they didn't feel good doing what they were doing?

TheDrake

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Re: Trump Lawyer Argues President Can't Be Prosecuted for Murder While in Office
« Reply #158 on: November 03, 2019, 05:57:09 PM »
You're not wrong. https://theintercept.com/2015/11/19/former-drone-operators-say-they-were-horrified-by-cruelty-of-assassination-program/

There's still a difference between callous indifference and intent. Probably not a difference that matters to grieving relatives.

Crunch

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Re: Trump Lawyer Argues President Can't Be Prosecuted for Murder While in Office
« Reply #159 on: November 04, 2019, 07:46:04 AM »
That's not remotely similar and you know it. Unless you think all collateral damage is murder. And that the soldiers are war criminals

Al-Awaki, his son, and Amir Khan were all killed in the same strike. All were Americans, none were afforded due process. They were summarily executed  by Obama without trial or defense. They were not even indicted by a grand jury nor were any charges brought against them in criminal proceedings.

What do you call that?

TheDrake

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Re: Trump Lawyer Argues President Can't Be Prosecuted for Murder While in Office
« Reply #160 on: November 04, 2019, 01:12:25 PM »
The government made an argument. Why post it here when I know you'll just reject it? Assuming it was illegal, then the courts could be a remedy (though not a legal proceeding against the President personally) or ultimately impeachment for abuse of authority. I don't recall a whole lot of Republicans coming out to hold him accountable, in fact most of them praised him for it. I think the ACLU was the only organization that really pressed him on it.

Most people thought it was a pretty good idea to assassinate someone intent on killing Americans and unfortunate that his kid got killed.

Crunch

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Re: Trump Lawyer Argues President Can't Be Prosecuted for Murder While in Office
« Reply #161 on: November 04, 2019, 06:47:53 PM »
So if Trump “makes an argument” then you’re ready to sign off on his murdering people. TDS is ironic sometimes.

TheDrake

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Re: Trump Lawyer Argues President Can't Be Prosecuted for Murder While in Office
« Reply #162 on: November 04, 2019, 07:05:45 PM »
I thought they made a decent argument. One that a judge signed off on. Trump makes lousy arguments most of the time. I normally consider the arguments point by point. Most recently, his lawyer made an argument that a sitting President should not be subject to prosecution while in office. I agreed with that argument. I'm willing to sign off on a President killing our mortal enemies, subject to judicial and Congressional oversight.