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Crunch

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Paul Krugman and his computer
« on: January 08, 2020, 04:35:24 PM »
Just a couple of hours ago, Krugman tweeted:

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Well, I’m on the phone with my computer security service, and as I understand it someone compromised my IP address and is using it to download child pornography. I might just be a random target. But this could be an attempt to Qanon me.

About 90 minutes later:
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The Times is now on the case.

Ooookaaay. Right. I’d think you would notify the FBI or some other law enforcement agency, that’s what normal people do.  You know what the #1 excuse is for having child porn on a personal computer? “Someone hacked me”.

Perhaps he was hacked, got his IP stolen and his RAM splined and fully reticulated, could happen. I don’t think that tweet was effective as he’d hoped.  I’m sure the NYT will fully investigate. Fully.

TheDrake

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Re: Paul Krugman and his computer
« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2020, 05:19:28 PM »
And if had been milo yiannopoulos, you'd be screaming about how the free speech hating libs will do anything to take him down.

Kasandra

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Re: Paul Krugman and his computer
« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2020, 05:25:56 PM »
The hate, it drips off that one............

Crunch

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Re: Paul Krugman and his computer
« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2020, 02:35:10 AM »
After a full investigation, the NYT has resolved the case! Krugman tweets:
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Deleted original tweet. Times thinks it may have been a scam. Anyway, will have more security in future.

Only took 4 hours. That was efficient. So, nothing to see here right?

This is going to be interesting to watch.

I don’t see how it just goes away after only a few hours of “investigation” from Krugman’s employer. The only thing I’d believe got hacked was Krugman’s twitter account. That seems like a simple explanation for this. Some bad actor cracked Krugman’s password and did a pretty heinous smear, sounds plausible.

What doesn’t sound as plausible is Krugman finding child porn on his computer and rushing to Twitter to make the announcement. Then, announcing the NYT concludes that it’s no big deal - in only four hours. But, people panic. Do stupid stuff.
« Last Edit: January 09, 2020, 02:38:24 AM by Crunch »

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Re: Paul Krugman and his computer
« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2020, 02:53:15 AM »
And if had been milo yiannopoulos, you'd be screaming about how the free speech hating libs will do anything to take him down.

Is he still around?

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Re: Paul Krugman and his computer
« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2020, 03:09:05 AM »
Krugman probably recieved an email or popup scam - he likely didn't find anything on his computer was simply mislead by a fake scan or fake email.  This is a pretty common type of scam.

Something like this,

https://www.pcrisk.com/removal-guides/14279-i-hacked-your-device-email-scam

or this

https://www.scamwatch.gov.au/news/your-computer-is-infected-fake-anti-virus-pop-up-alert-scams
« Last Edit: January 09, 2020, 03:11:40 AM by LetterRip »

Kasandra

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Re: Paul Krugman and his computer
« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2020, 04:35:15 AM »
I had a long discussion with an IT professional who called to tell my that he had discovered that my Windows PC had been hacked.  I told him that I had noticed that it was taking longer for me to download from my favorite porn sites.  He said that was probably due to the hack.  I asked what porn sites he used most of the time, and if he could recommend any that weren't affected by the hack.  He offered to examine my PC to find the problem and wanted my IP address and password.  I was just about to give it to him when I realized that I don't have a Windows PC.  I still wanted to know what his favorite porn sites were, but he hung up.  The next day I got a call that my Social Security number had been stolen and was going to be cancelled if I didn't call back within 24 hours.  I haven't decided yet whether to make that call...

Maybe Crunch can advise me.

Crunch

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Re: Paul Krugman and his computer
« Reply #7 on: January 09, 2020, 07:31:19 AM »
I can definitely advise you! Stay off child porn sites is my advice.

Crunch

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Re: Paul Krugman and his computer
« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2020, 07:37:07 AM »
Krugman probably recieved an email or popup scam - he likely didn't find anything on his computer was simply mislead by a fake scan or fake email.  This is a pretty common type of scam.

Something like this,

https://www.pcrisk.com/removal-guides/14279-i-hacked-your-device-email-scam

or this

https://www.scamwatch.gov.au/news/your-computer-is-infected-fake-anti-virus-pop-up-alert-scams

Maybe. He was a bit vague about it.

However, if you truly think there’s child porn on your computer is tweeting it to the world the very first thing you’d do? Does that sound like a reasonable action? What would you have done?

Remember Anthony Weiner, his first defense was to claim he’d been hacked. It’s a pretty common defense.

Kasandra

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Re: Paul Krugman and his computer
« Reply #9 on: January 09, 2020, 07:43:39 AM »
I can definitely advise you! Stay off child porn sites is my advice.

:)

Kasandra

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Re: Paul Krugman and his computer
« Reply #10 on: January 09, 2020, 08:45:11 AM »
I can definitely advise you! Stay off child porn sites is my advice.

:)

Given some people's proclivity around here to believe the worst of others, let me point out that my post was meant as a joke.

LetterRip

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Re: Paul Krugman and his computer
« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2020, 02:49:27 PM »

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Re: Paul Krugman and his computer
« Reply #12 on: January 09, 2020, 03:22:19 PM »
Looks like it was a phone scam, rather than email scam.

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2020/01/paul-krugmans-no-good-very-bad-internet-day/

Now Crunch can criticize him for being an idiot, but not a pedophile. It must be so disappointing for him.

Kasandra

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Re: Paul Krugman and his computer
« Reply #13 on: January 09, 2020, 03:40:50 PM »
I just hope he didn't let them fix his PC.

Seriati

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« Reply #14 on: January 09, 2020, 05:43:05 PM »
I had a long discussion with an IT professional who called to tell my that he had discovered that my Windows PC had been hacked.  I told him that I had noticed that it was taking longer for me to download from my favorite porn sites.  He said that was probably due to the hack.  I asked what porn sites he used most of the time, and if he could recommend any that weren't affected by the hack.  He offered to examine my PC to find the problem and wanted my IP address and password.  I was just about to give it to him when I realized that I don't have a Windows PC.  I still wanted to know what his favorite porn sites were, but he hung up.  The next day I got a call that my Social Security number had been stolen and was going to be cancelled if I didn't call back within 24 hours.  I haven't decided yet whether to make that call...

I had a long talk with that guy one time, for some reason he hung up on me after I asked him to stay on the line while I finished my trace to verify his identity. 

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« Reply #15 on: January 09, 2020, 07:24:35 PM »
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I had a long talk with that guy one time, for some reason he hung up on me after I asked him to stay on the line while I finished my trace to verify his identity.

They do get a little tetchy...

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Re: Paul Krugman and his computer
« Reply #16 on: January 10, 2020, 07:56:57 AM »
Looks like it was a phone scam, rather than email scam.

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2020/01/paul-krugmans-no-good-very-bad-internet-day/

Now Crunch can criticize him for being an idiot, but not a pedophile. It must be so disappointing for him.

Hardly, trafficking in child porn is the worst and I’d be happy to see it stop. I also threw out the likely story being his Twitter account was hacked. You just can’t avoid the logical fallacy can you? smh

But, buried in the linked story:
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We attempted at the time to reach out to Professor Krugman and CUNY to get more details but got no response.

That’s why they say, “it appears that Krugman finally realized it was a scam”. They’re guessing. We still don’t know what really happened since others making the same guess as you is not, you know, proof of something. It’s the argumentum ad populum logical fallacy for those that care and pretty much par for the course here.

Krugman has stopped talking about it although still posts on Twitter. So it’s not the Twitter hack I thought it was. At this point we really don’t know what happened.

It could be Krugman is an idiot, god knows he demonstrates it often enough, and thought he was downloading child porn and that the best was to manage it was to suddenly announce it to the world then refuse to talk about it further. That’s pretty damn stupid.

Or, it could be that he’s following Anthony Weiner’s playbook.

 

Kasandra

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Re: Paul Krugman and his computer
« Reply #17 on: January 10, 2020, 08:24:13 AM »
It could just be that it's your worst nightmare, and coincidentally, your best case scenario.

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« Reply #18 on: January 10, 2020, 09:50:55 AM »
You hardly framed hacking as the likely story. You said perhaps he was hacked, and then it could happen. In later posts you talk about people making bogus claims about being hacked. You've doubled down on that theory just now.

Which means you think it is more likely that he's trying to cover up his felony by tweeting about it than that he fell for a scam. I'm assuming that even if he did come out with a clear statement, backed by NY times it security, you'd intimate that they're helping him cover up his child porn addiction. The fbi could get involved and clear him, and it would be the deep state protecting their media.

Basically put, you and others deranged enough to believe this will continue to smear a Nobel laureate as a guy who downloads kiddie porn, just because you don't like what he has to say.

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Re: Paul Krugman and his computer
« Reply #19 on: January 10, 2020, 11:06:55 AM »
Well, actually he's a Nobel Prize laureate who unnecessarily drew attention to himself in order to, uh...well, not sure how to finish that sentence.

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« Reply #20 on: January 10, 2020, 11:21:17 AM »
Could be he was trying to get out in front of the story, rather than having to react on the defensive. I still think that's kind of dumb.

As for the logical fallacy, I didn't base any of my arguments on lots of people saying it. I looked at two competing theories, evaluated the likelihood of each, and chose the one I felt was better supported by the facts. LR did well to find an article that laid out a logical case for that theory, and I didn't feel it was necessary to see how many people were making that argument. I haven't been seeing any material on the situation independent of what's been presented here on this thread, and I haven't done any research into other sources. So I don't even really have an idea of how many people support which theory.

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Re: Paul Krugman and his computer
« Reply #21 on: January 10, 2020, 12:17:16 PM »
Unless the supposed hack was particularly sophisticated, it would be easy to verify that that images on his computer had been downloaded at that time or earlier.  He may not be knowledgeable enough to know how to check that (most, if not all, dummies are), but the Times IP department certainly would look at that.  Not to mention that his computer might have regular backups that could be checked.  The only way this goes sideways for Krugman is if earlier images show up and he has no rationale for how they got there.  That's a huge stretch for anyone other than Crunch.