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TheDrake

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Re: Ukraine International Airlines flight PS752
« Reply #50 on: January 19, 2020, 05:54:35 PM »
No analogy is perfect.

Pete at Home

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« Reply #51 on: January 20, 2020, 09:14:23 AM »
The UN expression of self determination doesn't depend on such an assertion. Such would apply to Scotland, for instance, if they wanted to exit the UK. They'd have a vote, it would be recognized by all the nations and then they'd have to figure it out.

Right. And this doesn’t happen with Tibet, or anywhere without a war, right?

TheDrake

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Re: Ukraine International Airlines flight PS752
« Reply #52 on: January 20, 2020, 10:49:39 AM »
Ukraine and Georgia became independent without a war, at least for a while. Canada. Australia. India, at least not in the traditional sense. But its not about what has come before in the first place, its about what the future should look like. Obviously there are some limits. My HOA can't have a vote and decide to secede peaceably from the United States. I won't try to put parameters on where the line should be drawn.

TheDrake

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Re: Ukraine International Airlines flight PS752
« Reply #53 on: February 03, 2020, 12:12:26 PM »
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Iran has ceased co-operation with Ukraine in its investigation into the downing of Ukrainian passenger jet PS752 by Iranian missiles last month.

It comes after leaked remarks suggested Iran knew immediately that it had struck the plane.

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The recording is of a conversation between an Iranian pilot who was landing shortly after the doomed Ukrainian passenger jet took off, and the control tower in Tehran.

In an audio clip published by a Ukrainian YouTube channel, the Aseman Airlines pilot says he is seeing lights in the sky ahead.

"Is this an active area? There's lights like a missile. Is there anything?" he says.

"Nothing has been reported to us. What's the light like?" the controller replies.

The pilot says: "It's the light of a missile."

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TheDeamon

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Re: Ukraine International Airlines flight PS752
« Reply #54 on: February 03, 2020, 03:01:18 PM »
As I said earlier, I think they gathered all the evidence to see if they could conceive of a way to sanitize the wreckage of any evidence that pointed back to them, and preferably pointing the finger elsewhere. But after their preliminary examination concluded, they determined a cover-up wasn't viable and acknowledged their role.

That report is consistent with that theory. They knew almost immediately what happened, they just hoped they could find a way to escape taking the blame.

TheDrake

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Re: Ukraine International Airlines flight PS752
« Reply #55 on: February 03, 2020, 03:12:15 PM »
But that doesn't explain ending cooperation. It sounds like there is something additional that they are hiding. They've been reluctant to release black box recordings. That might mean they actually communicated with the flight before shooting it down, or it might just be that they don't want the tragic details released for publicity reasons.

TheDeamon

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« Reply #56 on: February 03, 2020, 03:17:43 PM »
But that doesn't explain ending cooperation. It sounds like there is something additional that they are hiding. They've been reluctant to release black box recordings. That might mean they actually communicated with the flight before shooting it down, or it might just be that they don't want the tragic details released for publicity reasons.

Possible, it could be that they're reluctant to release the recordings to Ukraine because it'll underscore that Iran likely knew almost immediately what happened and point out that the delay in acknowledging it means they likely sought to cover it up initially. But they're being stupid about as per usual, as their refusal to simply get it over and done with simply points out they're still trying to cover things up. Mostly the initial cover-up at this point.