We gotta talk about Uncle Joe

[Crunch]

No, Crunch's point is that the enemies of conservatives are constantly murdering people and getting away with it.

It's a pretty incredible double standard ain't it?

smh.

Well, that's cute. You think Trump could drive a car off road and kill someone and it just be all OK?  How about Rubio? In fact, what conservative do you think gets such a pass?

[Kasandra]

No, Crunch's point is that the enemies of conservatives are constantly murdering people and getting away with it.

It's a pretty incredible double standard ain't it?

smh.

Well, that's cute. You think Trump could drive a car off road and kill someone and it just be all OK?  How about Rubio? In fact, what conservative do you think gets such a pass?

smh

[DonaldD]

So Republicans in 2001 were the enemies of conservatives, and were murdering people, got it.

[TheDrake]

No, Crunch's point is that the enemies of conservatives are constantly murdering people and getting away with it.

It's a pretty incredible double standard ain't it?

smh.

Well, that's cute. You think Trump could drive a car off road and kill someone and it just be all OK?  How about Rubio? In fact, what conservative do you think gets such a pass?

Kennedy faced an inquiry. His Presidential aspirations were thwarted. He probably should have been pursued for perjury into false statements he made to police.  He faced withering criticism from the press. In 1979, CBS aired an hour long special that took the subject head on with most of the hour devoted to the incident. "During the interview, Mudd questioned Kennedy repeatedly about the incident and at one point directly accused him of lying." I wouldn't have voted for him, in fact I can say I didn't vote for him because I was a Massachusetts resident during his tenure.

I think most would still vote for Trump in a similar situation. Just like Kennedy kept getting re-elected. They'd talk about the witch hunt against him, how he had a concussion after the accident and that's why he didn't report it, that the grand jury's failure to indict was total exoneration. If he were charged with making false statements, they'd call it entrapment and politically motivated. If CBS called him a liar, they'd call it fake news and that they're the enemy of the people. They'd point out that they can't afford to have a Democrat appoint any more judges, they'd frown upon his behavior at the incident and then move on.

[wmLambert]

...I think most would still vote for Trump in a similar situation. Just like Kennedy kept getting re-elected. They'd talk about the witch hunt against him, how he had a concussion after the accident and that's why he didn't report it, that the grand jury's failure to indict was total exoneration. If he were charged with making false statements, they'd call it entrapment and politically motivated. If CBS called him a liar, they'd call it fake news and that they're the enemy of the people. They'd point out that they can't afford to have a Democrat appoint any more judges, they'd frown upon his behavior at the incident and then move on.

Except that there is no similar situation. Trump was never racist or duplicitous. The charges against him are levied at the straw-man that has been created by the Democrats to be a Frankenstein monster they can blame for their defeat in 2016. While there is no need to invent the idea that liars have lied about him, noting that the Democrats do lie is not far-fetched. Since Trump is reversing the Democrat appointment of activist judges, the approval there is genuine. ...Not to mention the complicit media, that colors all attacks against him.

[TheDrake]

You clearly don't understand a hypothetical situation. Perhaps it helps if I spell it out with "I think most people would still vote for Trump if he were in a similar situation."

[wmLambert]

You clearly don't understand a hypothetical situation. Perhaps it helps if I spell it out with "I think most people would still vote for Trump if he were in a similar situation."

No - you don't understand. Most people will vote for Trump, and he will probably never be in any similar situation. Such a situation is outside probability. We should always dismiss the attack of "Have you stopped beating your wife?" The question is wrong, not incorrect. The question was not hypothetical - it was accusatory.

[DonaldD]

Pass the popcorn <munch><munch>

[TheDrake]

You clearly don't understand a hypothetical situation. Perhaps it helps if I spell it out with "I think most people would still vote for Trump if he were in a similar situation."

No - you don't understand. Most people will vote for Trump, and he will probably never be in any similar situation. Such a situation is outside probability. We should always dismiss the attack of "Have you stopped beating your wife?" The question is wrong, not incorrect. The question was not hypothetical - it was accusatory.

You got me. I was totally insinuating that Trump is suspected of killing an intern. Can't slip anything past you.

[wmLambert]

You clearly don't understand a hypothetical situation. Perhaps it helps if I spell it out with "I think most people would still vote for Trump if he were in a similar situation."

No - you don't understand. Most people will vote for Trump, and he will probably never be in any similar situation. Such a situation is outside probability. We should always dismiss the attack of "Have you stopped beating your wife?" The question is wrong, not incorrect. The question was not hypothetical - it was accusatory.

You got me. I was totally insinuating that Trump is suspected of killing an intern. Can't slip anything past you.

That's all you've got? Just insult because you are wrong once again, and too full of yourself not to apologize?

Why can't you just admit that Trump is a decent human being, and most things the complicit media has said about him has been proven to be false? Why the attacks - not just at him, but at anyone who calls out the hypocrisy of attacking a good man, when you've looked the other way for Bill and Hillary, Pelosi, Schumer, Shiff, Ilhan Omar, Comey, and all the other swamp monsters who launched an unsuccessful coup attempt?

The standard operating procedure at this point is for you, or like-minded sycophants, to bully and insult with laughter by intimidation. Funny, even in a high school debate - you would be laughed off the stage with such tactics - but that is what you fall back on.

[TheDrake]

We were discussing how Teddy could stay in office after what happened. I was using our larger than life pal, who bragged that he could stand in the middle of Times square and shoot someone, and not lose a single voter, to demonstrate that even if he were to have done something egregious, that people would still vote for him. That's not an attack on him, it's an attack on his supporters.

[DonaldD]

The standard operating procedure at this point is for you, or like-minded sycophants, to bully and insult with laughter by intimidation. Funny, even in a high school debate - you would be laughed off the stage with such tactics - but that is what you fall back on.

My favorite part of this post is the unintended, oblivious irony in his use of sycophant and insult, and then the dual use of the word 'laughter' in the last paragraph.

[Kasandra]

Why can't you just admit that Trump is a decent human being, and most things the complicit media has said about him has been proven to be false? Why the attacks - not just at him, but at anyone who calls out the hypocrisy of attacking a good man, when you've looked the other way for Bill and Hillary, Pelosi, Schumer, Shiff, Ilhan Omar, Comey, and all the other swamp monsters who launched an unsuccessful coup attempt?

wmLambert, do you think you are partisan or just telling the plain truth?

[oldbrian]

And specifically while talking to The Drake, who is far from a Hillary supporter, if I remember correctly.

[TheDrake]

And specifically while talking to The Drake, who is far from a Hillary supporter, if I remember correctly.

Correct. I've criticized Bill heavily for having a relationship with a subordinate, consensual or not. I consider Hillary to be untrustworthy. I don't think I've ever voiced any particular support for Pelosi or Schumer. I've defended Schumer when he's accused of things that no evidence supports. I've been critical of Omar's comments at times. I generally agreed with all the IG report on Comey.

I also from time to time support policies and actions taken by each of these people. I don't have a scorched earth approach to any individual, even Trump. There's also no one that I support 100% of the time, even the politicians that I do support.

[TheDeamon]

Why can't you just admit that Trump is a decent human being, and most things the complicit media has said about him has been proven to be false?

I'd agree that a lot of things the media accuses him of is false.

I'd stop short of calling him a decent human being. The man is a dumpster fire.

[wmLambert]

Why can't you just admit that Trump is a decent human being, and most things the complicit media has said about him has been proven to be false?

I'd agree that a lot of things the media accuses him of is false.

I'd stop short of calling him a decent human being. The man is a dumpster fire.

No, not a dumpster fire. That is just more disinformation that was put out so loudly and so strongly that you fell for it. How many dumpster fires were begged by the DNC to run for president for their party? ...Then get smeared when he went to the GOP? How many are awarded Civil Rights Medals next to Mohammad Ali and Rosa Parks, then get accused of being a racist? You can argue anything, but you still need to acknowledge the hypocritical judgments from those who think Teddy Kennedy and Bill Clinton were just boys being boys, but Trump repeating a line from the Matt Lauer Roast becomes forever burned.

[cherrypoptart]

Joe Biden's contribution on the issue of police violence:

"Joe Biden said Monday that police under attack in the line of duty should shoot their assailants “in the leg instead of the heart” as a way to avert the killing of civilians.

“Instead of standing there and teaching a cop, when there’s an unarmed person coming at them with a knife or something, you shoot them in the leg instead of in the heart is a very different thing. There’s a lot of different things that could change,” Biden said in a meeting with community leaders at Bethel AME Church in Wilmington, Del."

https://news.yahoo.com/biden-suggests-police-could-shoot-assailants-in-the-leg-instead-of-the-heart-201750470.html

[TheDrake]

Trump was among the first group of Americans to be given the award, which recognized people from a variety of ethnic backgrounds who have made significant contributions to the country, Otto Coca, communications director for the Ellis Island Honors Society told The Associated Press Monday. But Trump was honored for his work as a successful developer in New York City and his German heritage, Coca said, not for helping inner city youth.

As usual, wm has it all twisted up. It was the Ellis Island Medal of Honor, and it was honoring his immigrant heritage not his work with current immigrants or people of color. It proves nothing about whatever his racial attitudes might be. It most certainly had nothing to do with standing up for civil rights.

It was specifically created that year to be inclusive of as many heritages as possible, Trump was there to represent German immigrants. Of course choosing Ali and Parks to highlight is designed to make it seem different. There were 80 recipients and its no surprise that Trumpians aren't talking about Trump getting his medal alongside Walter Cronkite and John Denver - also recipients.

[Kasandra]

It's not wmLambert's fault; he can't help himself. He's been blinded by the right and mistakes it for something else. 

[wmLambert]

It's not wmLambert's fault; he can't help himself. He's been blinded by the right and mistakes it for something else.

Sorry, Kasandra - but that is more projection on your part.
Answer this: https://creativedestructionmedia.com/investigations/2020/05/19/breaking-audio-tape-released-between-corrupt-former-ukrainian-president-poroshenko-and-joe-biden-discussing-corrupt-activities-john-kerry-also-on-tape/

We have Obama, Kerry, Poroshenko, and Biden discussing the investigation into Hunter Biden and the Ukraine. Biden and Obama lied about knowing what the quid pro quo was all about. Your answer? Insult me? CYA? More projection?

[DonaldD]

Sorry, Kasandra - but that is more proje-

Drink!!

[wmLambert]

Sorry, Kasandra - but that is more proje-

Drink!!

You lose again. What is your score? Have you ever won a debate with real words? Can you even spell "Projection?' Respond to the tape, and stop bloviating.

[Kasandra]

It's not wmLambert's fault; he can't help himself. He's been blinded by the right and mistakes it for something else.

Sorry, Kasandra - but that is more projection on your part.
Answer this: https://creativedestructionmedia.com/investigations/2020/05/19/breaking-audio-tape-released-between-corrupt-former-ukrainian-president-poroshenko-and-joe-biden-discussing-corrupt-activities-john-kerry-also-on-tape/

We have Obama, Kerry, Poroshenko, and Biden discussing the investigation into Hunter Biden and the Ukraine. Biden and Obama lied about knowing what the quid pro quo was all about. Your answer? Insult me? CYA? More projection?

Kind of hard to take anything seriously from a company with an editor in chief who writes articles with the titles:

"Hey Deep State A-Holes, What's Next? ...Dirty Bomb? Poison The Water? Shutdown The Electrical Grid?"
"We're At War With Communist China And Their Globalist DNC, Media Sympathizers...The Sooner We Admit It, The Better"
"China State Media Outlines Motives For Launching Virus On The West"

But you get the picture.  Their leadership is pretty spooky. He's your kind of guy, far right wing, xenophobic, anti-liberal....blinded by the right folks all the way...

[TheDrake]

I wonder if you have the integrity to address your misrepresentation of Trump's Ellis medal, wmLambert.

[wmLambert]

I wonder if you have the integrity to address your misrepresentation of Trump's Ellis medal, wmLambert.

No misrepresentation. He stood next to Mohammad Ali and Rosa Parks, and all three received the same medal. Who were the presenters? How many Democrats nominated him for that award? The pejorative change occurred in 2016 when he ran as a GOP candidate. That was the only issue.

[TheDrake]

It's not that those aren't facts, its that it is misleading to use it to defend Trump on the issue of racism and his attitude toward people of color. It's the kind of selective editing that you get so worked up about when CNN does it.

It is not at all a "Civil Rights Medal" it most certainly was not. It was also not "a civil rights medal". His nomination had nothing to do with civil rights.

[wmLambert]

It's not that those aren't facts, its that it is misleading to use it to defend Trump on the issue of racism and his attitude toward people of color. It's the kind of selective editing that you get so worked up about when CNN does it.

It is not at all a "Civil Rights Medal" it most certainly was not. It was also not "a civil rights medal". His nomination had nothing to do with civil rights.

It certainly did. Do you realize you are also demeaning Rosa Parks and Mohammad Ali by saying their Civil Rights Award were bogus? Trump was singled out for his business dealings across America, and he has received over 52 achievement awards worldwide for his positive actions. He has always been mentioned as one of the only mega-businessmen who supported minority employees to rise to break the glass ceiling. The Leftist IT community does all it can to lessen his well-known civil rights successes, but they make themselves look small in the process. That straw-man you hate is pretty bad - but it is not Trump.

[NobleHunter]

I suppose it's that evil leftist IT that keeps you from finding a link to this Civil Rights Award.

[TheDrake]

INTEGRITY    The nominee should be a person of integrity who has done, or been the impetus for, an honorable act that exemplifies their character and reputation

PASSION   Discuss how passion has led the nominee to focus their lives on a social cause, an ideological concept, a humanitarian philosophy, etc.

GRAVITAS   Consider if the nominee received any academic, professional and humanitarian accolades. Please mention any objective peer-reviewed awards or citations, innovations, inventions or humanitarian recognitions

HUMANITARIAN  Detail the nominee’s commitment and efforts on behalf of humanitarian causes. Humanitarian efforts should be considered beyond financial contributions. Please describe how their personal time and passion have helped move their cause forward

ETHNIC HERITAGE   Describe how the individual honors their ethnic heritage, how they promote it and/or what have they contributed to

That's the criteria. At no point do they require any civil rights involvement. Muhammad Ali, Rosa Parks, Walter Cronkite, Hillary Clinton, Janet Reno, and Arnold Palmer have all been recipients. These are the current criteria, at least, it is impossible to know if it has been modified over time. Note that the ethnic heritage section is about their own ethnic heritage, in Trump's case it would be German.

Rosa Parks received a Spingarn Medal from the NAACP, the Martin Luther King Jr. award from the NAACP, The Peace Abbey Courage of Conscience award for commitment to social change, the Presidential Medal of Freedom award, and the Congressional Gold Medal. Those are real awards for civil rights.

[wmLambert]

INTEGRITY    The nominee should be a person of integrity who has done, or been the impetus for, an honorable act that exemplifies their character and reputation

PASSION   Discuss how passion has led the nominee to focus their lives on a social cause, an ideological concept, a humanitarian philosophy, etc.

GRAVITAS   Consider if the nominee received any academic, professional and humanitarian accolades. Please mention any objective peer-reviewed awards or citations, innovations, inventions or humanitarian recognitions

HUMANITARIAN  Detail the nominee’s commitment and efforts on behalf of humanitarian causes. Humanitarian efforts should be considered beyond financial contributions. Please describe how their personal time and passion have helped move their cause forward

ETHNIC HERITAGE   Describe how the individual honors their ethnic heritage, how they promote it and/or what have they contributed to

That's the criteria. At no point do they require any civil rights involvement. Muhammad Ali, Rosa Parks, Walter Cronkite, Hillary Clinton, Janet Reno, and Arnold Palmer have all been recipients. These are the current criteria, at least, it is impossible to know if it has been modified over time. Note that the ethnic heritage section is about their own ethnic heritage, in Trump's case it would be German.

Rosa Parks received a Spingarn Medal from the NAACP, the Martin Luther King Jr. award from the NAACP, The Peace Abbey Courage of Conscience award for commitment to social change, the Presidential Medal of Freedom award, and the Congressional Gold Medal. Those are real awards for civil rights.

Sure, there are lots of awards given out for Civil Rights actions. Rosa Park's main credit is for refusing to give up her seat on a bus. After she was credited for that, she was invited everywhere and spoke at many events. Ali was a Black boxer. Didn't Trump pardon the Black boxer Jack Johnson? (Whom Obama did not?) There are many things that can be considered laudable, and Trump has always put his money where his mouth is. Ali was like that. Thinking about what actions may fall into your purview of what is a Civil Rights moment, is pretty nebulous. Trump promoting so many minorities and women because of their ability, and not their skin color is certainly in that "good thing category".

I have not been able to find a transcript of what was said to accompany his Award, but can you imagine them just counting how many buildings he constructed?

When Bill Clinton was caught lying about Monica, he and Hilary were counseled by Jesse Jackson, who forgave him for his transgressions. Then He and Hillary walked to church every Sunday holding a Bible. For you, I guess that merited an award.

[NobleHunter]

So that's a no, you can't come up with Trump getting a "Civil Rights Award."

[TheDrake]

Of course, you don't have to take my interpretation of it. You could ask the guy who actually works for the society granting the award.

We reached out to the Ellis Island Honors Society, which administers the award. The society is a non-political organization promoting diversity and understanding among religious and ethnic groups, as well as the restoration and maintenance of Ellis Island.

Spokesperson Otto Coca told PolitiFact that Trump was one of several people to be awarded the Ellis Island Medal of Honor in 1986 – the first year it was given out (and the same year Parks and Ali were also recipients). Trump was chosen for professional contributions that benefited New York City as a developer, as well as for his German heritage.

"That post is ridiculous and an outright lie," Coca said.

In the first year, "people were honored with the award for what they stood for more than what they did," Coca said. Parks, for example, was honored for standing up to adversity. Trump’s recognition came from "doing well for the city of New York" from his business.

The medal has changed over the years, Coca said, and now recipients are chosen for philanthropic efforts as well as other contributions.

[wmLambert]

We reached out to the Ellis Island Honors Society, which administers the award.
... Trump was chosen for professional contributions that benefited New York City as a developer, as well as for his German heritage.

I guess you just forgot to include the little fact that "...According to an Oct. 16, 1986, New York Times article, those named for the award were selected from more than 15,000 nominations." Yeah, Trump got in because he was just a builder in NY.

[Fenring]

Yeah, Trump got in because he was just a builder in NY.

This should surprise you? Obama got the Nobel Peace prize just for having the job of President, he hadn't even built buildings! So yes, I don't see how it should be shocking that awards can be given out to high profile people because they are high profile. Sort of like how universities award honorary doctorates to celebrities but not to regular citizens.

[wmLambert]

Yeah, Trump got in because he was just a builder in NY.

This should surprise you? Obama got the Nobel Peace prize just for having the job of President, he hadn't even built buildings! So yes, I don't see how it should be shocking that awards can be given out to high profile people because they are high profile. Sort of like how universities award honorary doctorates to celebrities but not to regular citizens.

Yeah, Obama received the Nobel Peace Prize because the Leftist awards committee wanted to heap undeserved praise on him. Trump was awarded the Ellis Island Award for "patriotism, tolerance, brotherhood, and diversity." ...All measurable actions that actually happened.

Trump has over 54 of those awards. Might be some that are real, neh?

[Kasandra]

Trump has over 54 of those awards. Might be some that are real, neh?

That's less than the number of times he's been sued since becoming President.

Before he became President:

An analysis by USA Today published in June 2016 found that over the previous three decades, Donald Trump and his businesses have been involved in 3,500 legal cases in U.S. federal courts and state court, an unprecedented number for a U.S. presidential candidate. Of the 3,500 suits, Trump or one of his companies were plaintiffs in 1,900; defendants in 1,450; and bankruptcy, third party, or other in 150. Trump was named in at least 169 suits in federal court. Over 150 other cases were in the Seventeenth Judicial Circuit Court of Florida (covering Broward County, Florida) since 1983. In about 500 cases, judges dismissed plaintiffs' claims against Trump. In hundreds more, cases ended with the available public record unclear about the resolution. Where there was a clear resolution, Trump won 451 times, and lost 38.

The topics of the legal cases include contract disputes, defamation claims, and allegations of sexual harassment. Trump's companies have been involved in more than 100 tax disputes, and on "at least three dozen" occasions the New York State Department of Taxation and Finance has obtained tax liens against Trump properties for nonpayment of taxes. On a number of occasions, Trump has threatened legal action but did not ultimately follow through.[

One could argue his record does merit some sort of award.

[TheDrake]

[quoted]Trump has over 54 of those awards. Might be some that are real, neh?[/quote]

You're going to have to help me out with a source on that one.

Wikipedia has this list

Humanitarian Award by the National Jewish Health (1976)[13]
Tree of Life Award by the Jewish National Fund (1983)[14]
Ellis Island Medal of Honor recognizing his German heritage and professional contributions as a developer to New York City (1986)[15]
Golden Raspberry Award for Worst Supporting Actor by the Golden Raspberry Award Foundation for his appearance in Ghosts Can't Do It (1991)[16]
President's Medal by the Freedom Foundation (Washington) for his support of youth programs (1995)[17]
Gaming Hall of Fame (1995)[18]
Star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame (2007)[19][20]
Muhammad Ali Entrepreneur Award (2007)[21]
Unicorn Children's Foundation Shining Star Award (2008)[22]
Multiple AAA Five Diamond Awards for his hotels.[23][24]
Palm Tree Award by the Palm Beach Police Foundation (2010)[25]
Presidential Hero Award by the Lois Pope LIFE Foundation (2011)[26]
WWE Hall of Fame (Class of 2013)[27]
New Jersey Boxing Hall of Fame (2015)[28]
The Algemeiner Liberty Award for contributions to Israel–United States relations (2015)[29]
Marine Corps–Law Enforcement Foundation Commandant's Leadership Award (2015)[30]
Time Person of the Year (2016)[31]
Financial Times Person of the Year (2016)[32]
Friends of Zion Award by The Friends of Zion Museum (2017)[33]
Sports Business Journal Most Influential Person in Sports Business (2017)[34]
Golden Raspberry Award for Worst Actor and Golden Raspberry Award for Worst Screen Combo (shared with "His Self Perpetuating Pettiness") by the Golden Raspberry Award Foundation for his appearances in Death of a Nation and Fahrenheit 11/9 (2018)[35]
The Center For Biological Diversity's 12 Annual Rubber Dodo Award as "top eco-villain" (2018; conferred 2019)[36][37]
Temple Coin featuring Trump (alongside King Cyrus) from the Mikdash Educational Center in honor of Trump recognizing Jerusalem as the country's capital (2018)[38]
Beitar Trump Jerusalem F.C., renamed themselves, adding Trump's name for recognizing Jerusalem as country's capital (2018)[39]
Atlantic City Boxing Hall of Fame (2018)[40]
Wounded Warrior Project Award in commemoration of Trump's support for the group during the 2018 Soldier Ride (2018)
Time 100 Most Influential People in the World (2019)[41]
Bipartisan Justice Award for signing the First Step Act into law (2019)[42]

Which one's are you referring to? Is there another list somewhere? I looked at his official biography on trump.com, and it doesn't mention the Ellis award let alone 54 more like it.

I'll give him the Bipartisan Justice Award without reservation, I've consistently applauded him for the First Step Act. I can acknowledge when someone I don't like does something I do like. Of course to claim that, you'll have to reconcile the fact that the people who honored Trump also invited Kamala Harris to speak the next day.

[wmLambert]

[quoted]Trump has over 54 of those awards. Might be some that are real, neh?

You're going to have to help me out with a source on that one.

Yeah, I saw that list from Wikipedia, also, but I was looking for the citation that went with the Ellis Island Award, and came across the "54" awards in the process. Going back in my search history didn't help much. Somewhere in the footnotes, but couldn't nail it down.

In my reading and research on Trump, one point that keeps reappearing is the fact that everyone who knows him calls him a good man. Those who disagree with his political decision to run as GOP rather than Democrat look for pejorative data - and going through it all looking to understand and get it right just makes your head hurt seeing all the disinformation.

[Kasandra]

In my reading and research on Trump, one point that keeps reappearing is the fact that everyone who knows him calls him good man.

SOROS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[wmLambert]

In my reading and research on Trump, one point that keeps reappearing is the fact that everyone who knows him calls him good man.

SOROS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Okay, we now know that Kasandra is a Sorosaphile. Do you realize who you are aligning yourself with? Do you really want to praise him and his actions and his quoted words? We can go there if you want to, but you will get embarrassed pretty quickly. Or do you want to do the deflection thing and come up with wealthy GOP donors as if they are the same thing?

[TheDrake]

In my reading and research on Trump, one point that keeps reappearing is the fact that everyone who knows him calls him a good man.

Fully discredited. There are people who worked for him who call him a bad guy.

[Kasandra]

In my reading and research on Trump, one point that keeps reappearing is the fact that everyone who knows him calls him good man.

SOROS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Okay, we now know that Kasandra is a Sorosaphile. Do you realize who you are aligning yourself with? Do you really want to praise him and his actions and his quoted words? We can go there if you want to, but you will get embarrassed pretty quickly. Or do you want to do the deflection thing and come up with wealthy GOP donors as if they are the same thing?

No you don't.  All you can reasonably discern from my criticism of your extremely one-sided and hate-filled posts is that I'm a bigotophobe.  You align yourself with Trump, which pretty much discredits you with most people in the country.  For a man who is so beloved and who has done such marvelous things for the country, why is his approval rating lower than any other present in modern times?  Could the answer be.....

SOROS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[wmLambert]

In my reading and research on Trump, one point that keeps reappearing is the fact that everyone who knows him calls him a good man.

Fully discredited. There are people who worked for him who call him a bad guy.

No, Sorry. When I worked in Vegas, working with a Construction Management company, the subs always tried to cut corners and get away with it, Trump and other good CMs and Owners get signed work orders, and when the subs try to cheat, they get caught. When they get caught, they blame people like Trump for their own perfidy, and tell their workers it wasn't their fault pay checks got shorted. Sure, such people complain - but they didn't really work with Trump. From what I saw and heard - Trump was considered one of the good guys. There were plenty who weren't, but Trump wasn't one of them.

In Construction Law, all disputes get mitigated, and I don't recall any big incidents where Trump ever did anything wrong. Companies do file bankruptcy. Echelon was a huge project that went under when Dubai World backed out of their funding. Tischman was the CM, but did nothing wrong. Neither Tischman nor Dubai World did anything wrong, but I'm sure the tens of thousands of lost jobs didn't make for happy campers.

[TheDrake]

I worked for Trump for about three years in the late 1980s, as president and chief operating officer of the Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino in Atlantic City. I saw him regularly in meetings, phone calls, and updates of day-to-day operations.

After I resigned in April 1990, I wrote a book about my time with him, Trumped: The Inside Story of the Real Donald Trump, His Cunning Rise and Spectacular Fall, in 1991. In the book, I told stories about Trump’s leadership style that would come to echo his presidency years later.

I witnessed him make public phone calls that he insisted were private and use those conversations to humiliate and corner the person on the other end. I witnessed him demand loyalty from those who worked for him. I witnessed him make impulsive decisions as a result of his short attention span.

Jack O'Donnell

No, I get it. Everyone who knows him calls him a good man, except for those who don't, and they are wrong so they don't count.

[wmLambert]

...Jack O'Donnell

No, I get it. Everyone who knows him calls him a good man, except for those who don't, and they are wrong so they don't count.

Yeah, read about Jack O'Donnell. He held off bad-mouthing Trump for thirty years, then came out in 2016 to denounce him with a book timed for the politics of the moment. It makes sense to listen to what he has to say, but take the time to do due diligence. That Gaming Commission test on the casino floor is what got him fired. He said it caught him by surprise. Maybe so. I never met O'Donnell. Of the many people who know Trump the best, I bet you can find someone else that is the new anti-Trump hero.

I know there are literally hundreds of well-known people who knew Bill and Hillary well who denounce them, yet that has never been important. Now Biden is being outed. The whole straw-man invention of Trump requires such people. Do your best to find them. But also recognize the hypocrisy in the effort.

[TheDrake]

I'm not surprised you cant admit the violation of your premise.

[Crunch]

“Do we really think this is as good as we can be as a nation? I don’t think the vast majority of people think that,” the former vice president added. “There are probably anywhere from 10 to 15 percent of the people out there that are just not very good people, but that’s not who we are.

I guess the good news is the "basket of deplorables" has declined. I dunno, this messaging was pretty effective for Hillary, Uncle Badfinger should ramp it back up.

[wmLambert]

I'm not surprised you cant admit the violation of your premise.

Why are you Trump haters so focused on disinformation? Any anti-Trump meme that pops up gets your full attention, but any good news or laudatory facts are ignored. Ignoring here is strange because Democrats (who are most of the Trump-haters) ignored the conduct of their champions in the exact opposite direction. Kerry, Clintons, Gore, Biden are all hampered by excess baggage, but it can be ignored. However; a Hollywood comedienne calls Trump orange, and you pick it up as a battle cry. My premise is against disinformation. When I see it, I try to fix it. the result is ridicule and insult. I understand it is a losing battle for me in many ways, because the search engines are stacked against me. But so what? Facts are still facts, and unless you put on blinders and refuse to see reason, you should entertain truth when it is presented to you.

When I say all the people who know Trump (including his ex-wives) say he is a good man, you leap to the search engines to find something, anything, to counter the truth. Trump is a hugely popular president, and the people who support him are attacked by deceived, unknowledgeable lemmings who don't have a clue about how they are being misused. The result is more ignorance - not less.

[TheDrake]

He wrote the fing book in 1991. He didn't pop up in 2016.

And you still can't fathom what the word "all" means. To refute "all" you only need one counter example.