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noel c.

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« on: October 18, 2020, 08:16:30 AM »
The continuing embarrassment, VP son Hunter, ramps-up as Uncle Joe’s graft ties to now bankrupt Shanghai conglomerate China Energy Co. exposed in authenticated emails. Is it clear at this point why China was defended against COVID isolation by Joe’s claims of “racist” motives behind Trump travel restrictions?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8849687/amp/Hunter-Biden-emails-identify-Joe-Biden-deal-Chinese-energy-firm-report-says.html
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« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2020, 01:07:21 PM »
I will be interested to see how and if this develops.

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« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2020, 04:05:51 PM »
Fenring,

If publicity of Uncle Joe’s self-enrichment schemes is left to the major news outlets, or leftist voters, there is not a chance that this story will gain traction. Witness the reaction from this board. Fortunately the WSJ did pick it up, and waited for an ABC reaction.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/biden-corruption-and-abc-news-11602794575

Did Stephanolopus’ “moderator” function indicate any concern? :

https://youtu.be/rR-g213a-SY

1- COVID, will he take a vaccine by years end? Answer; “Yes, if the scientists are behind it.”
2- Taxes, will he raise taxes on the wealthy, and corporate America even if the “recovery“ continues? Answer; “Yes”.
3- Racism, Young black man asks why he should vote for Biden? Answer; “Because I am holy.”
4- Court Packing, Will Biden pack Court? Answer; “It all depends on how ‘this is handled‘ ”.
5- Chinese and Ukrainian graft... crickets...

Note: the audience bleachers are empty except for “voters” (political shills) who read their pre-rehearsed questions from cards.

Contrast this with ABC summary of Trump’s “townhall”. :

1- Were you warned about the dangers of a COVID pandemic? Answer; “No”.
2- Do you owe $400,000,000 to a foreign entity? Answer; “Not that I know of, it is a small fraction of what I am worth.”
3- Were you tested for the Corona virus on the day of the debate? Answer; “I am not tested every day, I cannot remember.”

ABC did point out, correctly, that very few people remain undecided at this point, This week’s in-person debate should address Biden’s “family business”, Sicilian style, managed by his talentless, cocaïne inhaling, dishonorably discharged, scion that uncle Joe claimed in the debate to be “proud of”... after equivocation about his dead son, Bo.

The electorate sees this.
« Last Edit: October 18, 2020, 04:16:02 PM by noel c. »

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« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2020, 05:04:21 PM »
Little Hunter; the gift that keeps giving. :

“The Ukrainian parliamentarian said: 'The facts that confirm international corruption are stored on the second laptop. This laptop was handed over to Ukrainian law enforcement officers, and the ‘workers’ themselves are now witnesses in criminal proceedings.'
Derkach says the workers are 'ready to tell' about international corruption involving the Bidens.  He warns: 'But most importantly! These are not the last witnesses or the last laptop.’ ”


https://apple.news/AsCVdcqnZSAaUKc1WXWTrQQ

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« Reply #4 on: October 18, 2020, 09:09:12 PM »
I guess in a few months we'll see if the Democratic Congress decides to impeach Biden, or follow the Republican lead and decide it's no big deal.  ;D

noel c.

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« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2020, 09:18:30 PM »
WS,

In all seriousness, have you decided? Does it matter to you if the Biden’s have made a business out of plundering through the public trough?

I think that the average voter may not be so complacent.

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« Reply #6 on: October 19, 2020, 09:38:53 AM »
WS,

In all seriousness, have you decided? Does it matter to you if the Biden’s have made a business out of plundering through the public trough?

I think that the average voter may not be so complacent.

Honestly given that the last story of this nature is looking to be a Russian disinformation campaign I'm unlikely to believe that Ukraine, Russia, or Rudy have access to either Hunter or Bo's old laptop computer. The timing is just about right for disinformation campaigns. Not long enough left in the campaign for them to be completely debunked but enough time to cause a news splash if people aren't being careful with their sources.

But even if the story is true I think we're better off electing then impeaching Biden than keeping Trump in office.

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« Reply #7 on: October 19, 2020, 10:18:37 AM »
I would wonder what Trumpians would think if Robert Mueller showed up one day with year old abandoned Don Jr laptop with emails proving Russian collusion. One that was apparently unencrypted, With four year old emails still on it, with a lax email retention policy. Personally dropped off at a random repair shop by Hunter himself, who presumably would have known what was on it. By a guy who has raked in millions, but somehow doesn't have access to IT professionals or chose not to use those contacts.

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« Reply #8 on: October 19, 2020, 10:26:55 AM »
I would wonder what Trumpians would think if Robert Mueller showed up one day with year old abandoned Don Jr laptop with emails proving Russian collusion.

Not that I want anyone in power who is abusing the office or is corrupt, but I don't think there's remotely any equivalence between these that you're comparing them. I assume regarding Don Jr you're talking about that meeting that went nowhere, where at worst the Trumps were hoping to get dirt on their opponents. But even if that's true, that they really were hoping to get some nice stuff to use as mudslinging, that's not even the same ballgame as taking large payouts (through family proxies) from hostile regimes in exchange (presumably) for political assistance and influence. The first is unethical, but the second is a much bigger deal, worst case scenario treason. Hardly the same. Not that I personally want either of them in power either way.

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« Reply #9 on: October 19, 2020, 11:04:12 AM »
Y-22,

“Honestly given that the last story of this nature is looking to be a Russian disinformation campaign I'm unlikely to believe that Ukraine, Russia, or Rudy have access to either Hunter or Bo's old laptop computer.”

Hunter’s attorney seems to be the individual interested in retrieving the hard drive, and nobody but Joe seems to believe this 50 year old juvenile has overcome his drug habit. His situational awareness is apparently too compromised to worry about things like that.

“The timing is just about right for disinformation campaigns. Not long enough left in the campaign for them to be completely debunked but enough time to cause a news splash if people aren't being careful with their sources.”

Do you have an issue with the sources?

“But even if the story is true I think we're better off electing then impeaching Biden than keeping Trump in office.”

I think that last year’s impeachment circus cheapened a very serious corrective recourse. Beyond that, you would elect an individual who is beholden to, and blackmailable by, China?
« Last Edit: October 19, 2020, 11:06:28 AM by noel c. »

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« Reply #10 on: October 19, 2020, 11:10:26 AM »
Fenring:
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The first is unethical, but the second is a much bigger deal, worst case scenario treason. Hardly the same.

Noel:
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Beyond that, you would elect an individual who is beholden to, and blackmailable by, China?


What if it was a legitimate business run directly by the president's child and the scion in question asked Chinese officials and businesses for sweetheart deals because 'my father is now the President'?  Would that be any different?


I asked William Lambert this question and few days ago and he ignored it.

BTW, Noel, how many syllables are in your name?

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« Reply #11 on: October 19, 2020, 11:14:45 AM »
“The timing is just about right for disinformation campaigns. Not long enough left in the campaign for them to be completely debunked but enough time to cause a news splash if people aren't being careful with their sources.”

Do you have an issue with the sources?

Yes.

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« Reply #12 on: October 19, 2020, 11:21:26 AM »
What if it was a legitimate business run directly by the president's child and the scion in question asked Chinese officials and businesses for sweetheart deals because 'my father is now the President'?  Would that be any different?

In other words, what if Joe and Hunter are just businessmen who among other things work with major Chinese companies? Well I suppose I could believe that if it was just Hunter, but how does 'the big guy' have time to do his government job in the U.S. and also be a partner in a major Chinese firm? Or what are they paying Joe for anyhow? But yes, it's possible this is 'just business' and the email merely exhibits a wow factor that their partner might become President. So that would be a not-worst-case-scenario.

That said, Trump was torn to shreds merely about the fact that his American enterprise was potentially doing business in Russia, and that was 'proof' that he was in bed with the Russians. I can't imagine what the reaction would have been if he was actually a co-owner or a director in a Russian company. I think you can see how those are not the same at all.

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« Reply #13 on: October 19, 2020, 11:42:35 AM »
..I asked William Lambert this question and few days ago and he ignored it.

I ignored it because it has been already asked and answered. I've said many times that Trump's kids are business professionals with long records of competence and success. Biden's? Not so much.

BTW, Old Brian, Radcliffe said there is zero evidence that Russians have anything to do with the Hunter Biden laptop. It was perfectly and legally turned over to the Swamp-infested FBI when obvious felonies were discovered during the impeachment hearings - and the FBI sat on the info without revealing it as required by law to the Trump legal team. When he tried to find out the status on it, they warned him to keep quiet for his own safety. At that point he took it to the legal teams where it should have already been presented to them by the FBI.

There is nothing shaky about anything that might discredit the laptop info. The laptop is confirmed by Hunter as his. It is legally the property of the legally blind repairman due to the signed contract and the forfeiture law. His turning a copy of the hard drive over to the FBI was legal and responsible. The FBI's conduct may have been criminal. He followed the chain of custody procedures, so there is zero reasons to dismiss the laptop as anything but legal and accurate evidence.

That evidence has many things on it that should cause the Justice department to immediately arrest and detain Hunter and his family, including "The big guy." Child porn is just one of the red flags.

Everything has been verified so far. Nothing is in doubt. Hunter's only option is to hide, or turn himself in. If he does that, would he fall on the sword, or is the info in the laptop sufficient to arrest Joe Biden?
« Last Edit: October 19, 2020, 11:48:49 AM by wmLambert »

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« Reply #14 on: October 19, 2020, 01:48:25 PM »
I would wonder what Trumpians would think if Robert Mueller showed up one day with year old abandoned Don Jr laptop with emails proving Russian collusion.

Not that I want anyone in power who is abusing the office or is corrupt, but I don't think there's remotely any equivalence between these that you're comparing them. I assume regarding Don Jr you're talking about that meeting that went nowhere, where at worst the Trumps were hoping to get dirt on their opponents. But even if that's true, that they really were hoping to get some nice stuff to use as mudslinging, that's not even the same ballgame as taking large payouts (through family proxies) from hostile regimes in exchange (presumably) for political assistance and influence. The first is unethical, but the second is a much bigger deal, worst case scenario treason. Hardly the same. Not that I personally want either of them in power either way.

I'm talking about the believability of a chain of evidence, not the potential moral or criminal scope of the offence.

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« Reply #15 on: October 19, 2020, 02:07:12 PM »
I'm talking about the believability of a chain of evidence, not the potential moral or criminal scope of the offence.

I see, ok. I thought you meant something more like would Trumpians accuse Don Jr of being a criminal or something. If it's just a question of would they believe it at all even with evidence in front of them, at this point I don't even know what would convince anyone of anything that knocks against their current position. It's really just too easy to ignore or pretend you don't know when you'd actually have to change yourself by admitting it. I think a good case of this can be found among Republicans regarding Iraq 2.0's lack of truth behind the WMD's, and on the Democrat side more recently the fact of the DNC having cheated the entire 2016 primary process. No one will stop and say, "hey, that's not ok, I don't care which side I'm on!" Because, oh yeah, they so do care, and won't do anything that takes leverage away from their side.

noel c.

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« Reply #16 on: October 19, 2020, 02:49:17 PM »
Oldbrian,

“What if it was a legitimate business run directly by the president's child and the scion in question asked Chinese officials and businesses for sweetheart deals because 'my father is now the President'?  Would that be any different?“

- It could if Hunter had any business experience in the energy industry. The fact that he hired an attorney to run this operation as a legal structure indicates to me that he is a cipher proxy for “the big guy”.

- It could be different if the “big guy” was not allocated a percentage of revenue according to an authenticated email.

- It could be different if Joe’s brothers, Frank and James, had not accused the father/son pair of being "grifters", and using this tag-team method of gaming the system for years.

“BTW, Noel, how many syllables are in your name?“

One syllable.

(Y-22) ”The timing is just about right for disinformation campaigns. Not long enough left in the campaign for them to be completely debunked but enough time to cause a news splash if people aren't being careful with their sources.”

(Noel) Do you have an issue with the sources?

(Y-22) ”Yes“.

Does the fact that Hunter’s attorney is demanding the return of Hunter’s hard drive persuade you of its provenance?

As an aside; it appears that the New York Post story from last week has grown legs. Director of National Intelligence, John Ratcliffe, said on Monday that Schiff's assertion that the story is “being run from the Kremlin” is unsupported by intelligence assets. You may be a victim of wishful thinking.
« Last Edit: October 19, 2020, 02:51:41 PM by noel c. »

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« Reply #17 on: October 19, 2020, 02:53:38 PM »
(Y-22) ”The timing is just about right for disinformation campaigns. Not long enough left in the campaign for them to be completely debunked but enough time to cause a news splash if people aren't being careful with their sources.”

(Noel) Do you have an issue with the sources?

(Y-22) ”Yes“.

Does the fact that Hunter’s attorney is demanding the return of Hunter’s hard drive persuade you of its provenance?

And the only source for that is Steve Bannon. The answer is yes, I have problems with the sources.

noel c.

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« Reply #18 on: October 19, 2020, 03:03:40 PM »
Y-22,

“And the only source for that is Steve Bannon. The answer is yes, I have problems with the sources.”

There is plenty of time prior to the election to verify correspondence by Hunter’s attorney, and to perform a forensic analysis of the hard drive.

What will be your position on Uncle Joe’s viability as a presidential candidate if the allegations are proven beyond a reasonable doubt?

noel c.

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« Reply #19 on: October 19, 2020, 03:12:14 PM »
... Although I think the photograph found on the drive of Hunter asleep in bed with a crack pipe is pretty compelling.

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« Reply #20 on: October 19, 2020, 03:37:35 PM »
Nothing burger
Fake news

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« Reply #21 on: October 19, 2020, 04:27:39 PM »
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There is plenty of time prior to the election to verify correspondence by Hunter’s attorney, and to perform a forensic analysis of the hard drive.

What will be your position on Uncle Joe’s viability as a presidential candidate if the allegations are proven beyond a reasonable doubt?

And what will you do when it is not proven beyond a reasonable doubt?  What will you do when it is proven beyond a reasonable doubt that this was a forgery only intended to try to fool people like you into believing a lie, like the whole Obama birth certificate scandal?  What will you do then, noel? :)

noel c.

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« Reply #22 on: October 19, 2020, 05:00:56 PM »
RL-22,

“Nothing burger
Fake news“


Is this a conclusion based upon real scrutiny, or hope?

WS,

“And what will you do when it is not proven beyond a reasonable doubt?  What will you do when it is proven beyond a reasonable doubt that this was a forgery only intended to try to fool people like you into believing a lie... “

You expect the hard-disk to be “forged“?

“... like the whole Obama birth certificate scandal?  What will you do then, noel?”

I never bought into the Kenya birth story. The reason that Barry would not release his Long-Form birth certificate is that it contradicted his book. He was illegitimate.

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« Reply #23 on: October 19, 2020, 05:20:07 PM »
RL-22,

“Nothing burger
Fake news“


Is this a conclusion based upon real scrutiny, or hope?

WS,

“And what will you do when it is not proven beyond a reasonable doubt?  What will you do when it is proven beyond a reasonable doubt that this was a forgery only intended to try to fool people like you into believing a lie... “

You expect the hard-disk to be “forged“?

“... like the whole Obama birth certificate scandal?  What will you do then, noel?”

I never bought into the Kenya birth story. The reason that Barry would not release his Long-Form birth certificate is that it contradicted his book. He was illegitimate.

You didn't answer the question.
What would you do it this Hunter thing isn't true or can't be proved to be true?

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« Reply #24 on: October 19, 2020, 05:25:14 PM »
The reason that Barry would not release his Long-Form birth certificate is that it contradicted his book. He was illegitimate.

Is that also the reason that George W. Bush didn't release it?

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« Reply #25 on: October 19, 2020, 05:40:24 PM »
RL-22,

“You didn't answer the question.
What would you do it this Hunter thing isn't true or can't be proved to be true?”


Nothing could be “done”, just like nothing came of that ridiculous impeachment circus last year.

Your turn...

Seriously, would you vote for a presidential candidate who concealed an ill-gotten stake in the Chinese economy?

Aris,

“Is that also the reason that George W. Bush didn't release it?”

George W. Bush: born July 6, 1946 (74 years)

Parents married: January 6, 1945, at the First Presbyterian Church in Rye, New York

Not likely.

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« Reply #26 on: October 19, 2020, 06:18:06 PM »
Y-22,

“And the only source for that is Steve Bannon. The answer is yes, I have problems with the sources.”

There is plenty of time prior to the election to verify correspondence by Hunter’s attorney, and to perform a forensic analysis of the hard drive.

What will be your position on Uncle Joe’s viability as a presidential candidate if the allegations are proven beyond a reasonable doubt?

Right now the allegation is Hunter got 1 meeting for a Ukrainian and there's something about some money from China as well. For the meeting, honestly with everything Trump's done it doesn't even raise a flag on the scale of corruption anymore. The money is a different issue, but honestly I don't think its any more serious than any of the shady money issues Trump had. The Russian oligarch who bought a house for $50 million from Trump only to rip it down and rebuild something else. Trump's properties in Panama and some in New York that have been linked to money laundering for organized crime. But if graft were proven I would just call for Biden to be impeached and say hello to President Harris.

How about you, will you be any more skeptical of the right wing propaganda machine when this is shown to be bogus? Rudy and Bannon aren't reliable sources.

This story is so implausible. When Trump was making a stink about Hunter Biden and Ukraine. Hunter just happens to spill some water on a computer with incriminating evidence. Instead of going ahead and destroying the thing so the evidence goes away he decides to:
1) Take it to a blind computer repairman.
2) Leave his name but no contact info.
3) Never return to pick up the computer.
4) Then the repairman who conveniently can't identify who actually dropped the computer off because he's blind decides to peruse the computer files for old emails instead of wiping the drive and selling it off.

This story is so implausible.

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« Reply #27 on: October 19, 2020, 06:23:31 PM »
Here is an interesting contrast: in 2016, the FBI had an open investigation into Russian interference in the election, with specific sub-inquiries into a number of people in the Trump campaign, sub-inquiries that began as early as July 2016.  This investigation of Russian interference was made public, but the possible involvement of Trump campaign members was kept under wraps until after the election, and none of those people were named at the time.

Today, we have the Director of National Intelligence talking to Fox News, making political statements about an ongoing investigation into Hunter Biden, two weeks before the election and attempting to link something to his father, the presidential candidate.

There's no point in debating the veracity of any of the actions investigated, but there is no question that the investigations existed, nor the timing of them being made public.  It's obvious, though, that this is another example of Trump cronies abusing their power and position for political gain in ways not done previously.

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« Reply #28 on: October 19, 2020, 07:03:03 PM »
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You expect the hard-disk to be “forged“?

I'm sure the hard-disk is quite legitimate.

It's the information on it that I suspect is forged.  ;D

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« Reply #29 on: October 19, 2020, 07:46:28 PM »
..There's no point in debating the veracity of any of the actions investigated, but there is no question that the investigations existed, nor the timing of them being made public.  It's obvious, though, that this is another example of Trump cronies abusing their power and position for political gain in ways not done previously.

There is no point in you debating documented sources as undocumented. We have explicit statements by legal teams that the laptop came into possession of the legally blind computer repairman in Delaware, and that the chain of evidence was secured throughout. That the repairman's multiple attempts to contact Biden to come get the repaired equipment is not a mystery, since at the time Hunter was hiding from being served on the paternity of a child he fathered. When the repairman gained possession of it, the impeachments were starting which made him nervous about the sensitivity of what he now owned. He found many felonious behaviors and emails that contradicted what was going on in the impeachment hearings. He took it to the FBI and they never got back to him, except to tell him to not do nothing about it for his own safety. Afraid for his life, and not trusting any reporters, he found the Giuliani legal team to help him. Nothing wrong in doing so. His propety, knowledge of felonies, child pornography, and other sensitive data drove his legal decisions.

The info already released demonstrate there were flagged events recorded that demanded police action by the Feds. There was never any hint of disinformation. The laptop was Hunter Biden's. The repairman tried to get it back to him, but Hunter was in hiding. The chain of custody was intact which makes everything legally admissible in court. No one from Biden's camp has denied that the laptop was Hunter's, nor that the emails released were not accurate. On top of that, we now have corroborating testimony from China and other countries to verify the emails, meetings, and contacts.

We also have recorded videos of Joe Biden denying what he was proved to have done. There is little to give him cover. The man lied and has to answer for it. Adam Schiff can not claim Kremlin conspiracy when his own intelligence gatherers said they did not tell him that. He made it all up. It is illegal for Joe to take money from foreign sources. They certainly have the evidence to blackmail him in the future.

The internet is churning now with "inside information" coming from the DNC. It is evident that they have given up on Biden being their candidate, and are deciding who to replace him with. The DNC is crunching numbers of whom to replace him with. The numbers generated so far say Hillary/Harris has the inside track at 60%. Warren/Harris at 20%. Bernie/Harris at 10%. Harris and anybody else at 10%.

Every news outlet is in receivership of the laptop data and communicating with their legal departments over release. Once released, the US Justice officials will have zero choice but to arrest Hunter. Joe or Hunter will not make it to election day as free men.

The censorship we are witnessing is that the info from the hard drive is Corroborating evidence, and is being scrutinized to make the cases against them airtight and to prove guilt "without a doubt."
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« Reply #30 on: October 19, 2020, 08:30:16 PM »
The internet is churning now with "inside information" coming from the DNC. It is evident that they have given up on Biden being their candidate, and are deciding who to replace him with. The DNC is crunching numbers of whom to replace him with. The numbers generated so far say Hillary/Harris has the inside track at 60%. Warren/Harris at 20%. Bernie/Harris at 10%. Harris and anybody else at 10%.

You're really tapped into the right wing propaganda machine. Or maybe its the Russian propaganda arm. You and I certainly spend time on different parts of the internet anyway.

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Every news outlet is in receivership of the laptop data and communicating with their legal departments over release. Once released, the US Justice officials will have zero choice but to arrest Hunter. Joe or Hunter will not make it to election day as free men.

I haven't seen a single news source say they have actually seen the data other than the NYP. Also the data they have is purportedly a copy of the original laptop, which the FBI has. So what the NYP has is something that claims to be a copy of a laptop Hunter Biden dropped off with some sex tapes and incriminating evidence and decided to not go back and get.

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« Reply #31 on: October 19, 2020, 09:22:11 PM »
...You're really tapped into the right wing propaganda machine. Or maybe its the Russian propaganda arm. You and I certainly spend time on different parts of the internet anyway.

That is the Left wing inside information that is being leaked to provide avenues for their proposed actions. The laptop info is only restricted on some Social Media. It has been available to journalists for awhile. The holdup is them trying to soften the Biden implosion and how to manage it. Get on the right side of this now, while you can. You don't want to be holding the short end of the stick.

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« Reply #32 on: October 19, 2020, 09:31:27 PM »
...You're really tapped into the right wing propaganda machine. Or maybe its the Russian propaganda arm. You and I certainly spend time on different parts of the internet anyway.

That is the Left wing inside information that is being leaked to provide avenues for their proposed actions. The laptop info is only restricted on some Social Media. It has been available to journalists for awhile. The holdup is them trying to soften the Biden implosion and how to manage it. Get on the right side of this now, while you can. You don't want to be holding the short end of the stick.

So if it doesn't happen, and Biden isn't replaced by anyone in the presidential elections, you'll admit you were very very wrong?

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« Reply #33 on: October 19, 2020, 09:47:12 PM »
...So if it doesn't happen, and Biden isn't replaced by anyone in the presidential elections, you'll admit you were very very wrong?

Probably not. They need a workable strategy to maintain power, and I'm not sure they can find it by changing out Biden before the election. What that means is a no-win situation for them, and the odds that they will try to finesse the charges against Biden to get past the election, then fix things after the fact.

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« Reply #34 on: October 19, 2020, 09:53:13 PM »
...So if it doesn't happen, and Biden isn't replaced by anyone in the presidential elections, you'll admit you were very very wrong?

Probably not. They need a workable strategy to maintain power, and I'm not sure they can find it by changing out Biden before the election. What that means is a no-win situation for them, and the odds that they will try to finesse the charges against Biden to get past the election, then fix things after the fact.

They're legally constrained, the constitutional process once paired with the statutory law, they don't have any strong options for replacing Biden until 12:01PM on January 20th, 2021 should he win the election.

In theory some options could open immediately after the ratify the election results in Congress, but until they ratify Biden as President and Harris as the VP so the Electoral College results are no longer relevant tot he selection process, they can't do much without creating more Constitutional headaches.


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« Reply #35 on: October 19, 2020, 10:15:38 PM »
...So if it doesn't happen, and Biden isn't replaced by anyone in the presidential elections, you'll admit you were very very wrong?

Probably not. They need a workable strategy to maintain power, and I'm not sure they can find it by changing out Biden before the election. What that means is a no-win situation for them, and the odds that they will try to finesse the charges against Biden to get past the election, then fix things after the fact.

So, wait you said "Hillary/Harris has the inside track at 60%. Warren/Harris at 20%. Bernie/Harris at 10%. Harris and anybody else at 10%"

That's a total of 100%, so even with roundings there should be probably 1% chance or less of Biden remaining on the presidential ticket, no?

What site can I place a bet that Biden will remain on the presidential ticket? Doesn't it mean that I'll roughly be able to get $100 out of every $1 I put in, if I make a bet that Biden will actually remain on the ticket, and it so happens?

Or I'll take bets here. Anyone willing to take this bet: I give you 5$ if Biden is dropped off the presidential ticket before the elections, you give me 100$ if he isn't? After all, it's nearly 100% certain that he'll be dropped right? Easy money for you.

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« Reply #36 on: October 19, 2020, 11:06:36 PM »
...you said "Hillary/Harris has the inside track at 60%. Warren/Harris at 20%. Bernie/Harris at 10%. Harris and anybody else at 10%"

That's a total of 100%, so even with roundings there should be probably 1% chance or less of Biden remaining on the presidential ticket, no?

What site can I place a bet that Biden will remain on the presidential ticket? Doesn't it mean that I'll roughly be able to get $100 out of every $1 I put in, if I make a bet that Biden will actually remain on the ticket, and it so happens?

Or I'll take bets here. Anyone willing to take this bet: I give you 5$ if Biden is dropped off the presidential ticket before the elections, you give me 100$ if he isn't? After all, it's nearly 100% certain that he'll be dropped right? Easy money for you.

I think you need a refresher course in assumption. They were talking about how the DNC may select someone if Biden is tossed. I doubt they have a real mechanism for doing so, but if they do, for each set of candidates there is a chance of going through if nominated. The examples given were which ones may have the inside track if Biden is behind bars. It also doesn't mean who could legally be entered on nationwide ballots. My thought is they would need to elect a prisoner to win at all.

Their main strategy is to do everything they can to keep him from being indicted before the election, and then worry about quashing Justice if elected. Their main concern is not Biden, but the down-ballot. Pelosi wants back in as majority leader, and Schumer wants the Senate. Those are the penultimate goals. They need a President on the ballots to generate votes for the House and Senate. Biden was always a low probability nominee, just better than Bernie.


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« Reply #37 on: October 19, 2020, 11:20:16 PM »
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"It is evident that they have given up on Biden being their candidate, and are deciding who to replace him with. The DNC is crunching numbers of whom to replace him with. The numbers generated so far say Hillary/Harris has the inside track at 60%. Warren/Harris at 20%. Bernie/Harris at 10%. Harris and anybody else at 10%."

The above quote was you, wmLambert, not anyone else.

Or to put it otherwise, you've really rapidly backpedalled from "It's evident that Biden will be replaced" to "Biden is almost certainly NOT going be replaced"

Tell you what, I'm actually reversing the odds of that previously offered bet. I give you 100$ if Biden is replaced on the ticket before the elections, you give me 5$ if he isn't. Deal? 

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« Reply #38 on: October 20, 2020, 01:04:07 AM »
Y-22,

(Noel): “What will be your position on Uncle Joe’s viability as a presidential candidate if the allegations are proven beyond a reasonable doubt?”

(Y-22): “... honestly with everything Trump's done it doesn't even raise a flag on the scale of corruption anymore. The money is a different issue, but honestly I don't think its any more serious than any of the shady money issues Trump had. The Russian oligarch who bought a house for $50 million from Trump only to rip it down and rebuild something else.”

Leaving aside the distinguishing difference pertaining to conflicted national loyalties in the Biden story, this statement is a paradigmatic example of my problem with alleged Trump “corruption”. Without knowing anything other than what you have just written, I can say that not only is this clearly legal, but it is what property developers do. Can you conceive of a rationale behind this oligarch tearing down the structure that would enhance his investment? What non-nefarious reasons might exist for an astute business person to do precisely this?

“Trump's properties in Panama and some in New York that have been linked to money laundering for organized crime.”

Are you saying that Trump took tainted bank transfers in exchange for property? How does one know an inter-bank transfer is tainted? Unless seedy looking mafioso are hauling in mail bags of cash to escrow companies, I don’t know how this accusation could stand up.

“This story is so implausible. When Trump was making a stink about Hunter Biden and Ukraine. Hunter just happens to spill some water on a computer with incriminating evidence. Instead of going ahead and destroying the thing so the evidence goes away he decides to:
1) Take it to a blind computer repairman.
2) Leave his name but no contact info.
3) Never return to pick up the computer.
4) Then the repairman who conveniently can't identify who actually dropped the computer off because he's blind decides to peruse the computer files for old emails instead of wiping the drive and selling it off.”


Maybe you have the wrong story. It should be noted that Mr. John Paul Mac Isaac, the computer technician, did not invite these “reporters” to his shop, as is made clear in the video. He did not want to talk to them, yet they persisted.

https://youtu.be/y9rMR3NnRfg

In order:

1) Mr. Issac is not “blind”. He stated that he has a progressive medical condition affecting his eyesight which, compounded by the difficulty caused through COVID mask concealment, prevented his immediate recognition of Hunter. Honestly, I would not recognize Biden out of context, either one of them, and my eyesight is fine. I stood in the airport next to Ron Howard, and Desi Arnez Junior for ten minutes before my traveling companion pointed their presence out to me.

2) Hunter did leave contact information. That is how the technician realized who the owner was. When the contents of the solid state hard-drive from the Model 2016 MacBook Pro, (with a Beau Biden Foundation sticker over the Apple logo), were individually dragged, and dropped, during the data recovery process, legal issues were raised in the mind of the tech which he believed justified involvement by law enforcement. This was not the first time he had done so. Apparently, he previously worked as a technician for Apple Inc. directly, and reported child pornography under similar circumstances.

3) Biden was not given the option of recovering his laptop. As to his stupidity; drug addicts are not known for good judgement. This is the same Hunter Biden who only recently lost a paternity suit to Lunden Alexis Roberts, and had argued against the hearing going forward because of COVID-19, and the fact that his wife, Melissa Cohen, was pregnant. I see the trail of bad judgement that you describe as not only tenable, but predictable, with this dolt.

4) There is nothing “convenient” about data recovery. The man did exactly as Biden requested per the work-order. This ”happened” to result, of necessity, in seeing everything recovered as part of the process. Circumstances were such that “wiping the drive“, as you suggest, would have amounted to destruction of evidence. Incidentally, the original drive was liquid damaged, and not salable even if the intent was to part out the computer.

“How about you, will you be any more skeptical of the right wing propaganda machine when this is shown to be bogus? Rudy and Bannon aren't reliable sources.“

If the hard disk proves to be inauthentic, then that is the end of the discussion for me. If your assumption that fraudulent representations were made regarding it are correct, then Rudi is in huge legal trouble which, as an ex-prosecutor, I am sure he fully understands. I don’t think he is an idiot, but I have experienced greater disillusionment in my life.

My resulting disappointment would not let me go this far. :
“But if graft were proven I would just call for Biden to be impeached and say hello to President Harris.“

To vote for a person that is known to behave in a manner justifying post-electoral impeachment is just too cynical for my taste, especially if Harris cannot win on her own merits, as your putative replacement president. That would be inherently undemocratic.
« Last Edit: October 20, 2020, 01:18:33 AM by noel c. »

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« Reply #39 on: October 20, 2020, 07:39:03 AM »
"COVID mask concealment"... you seem to be contending that Biden was wearing masks back in mid 2019.  Now that would have not only been an abundance of caution, but also impressive prescience.

CBS news interviewed Mr MacIsaac and yes, he does characterize himself as "legally blind".

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MacIsaac, the owner, said several times how he felt Mr. Trump was treated unfairly during his impeachment trial and suggested if the alleged documents are true, the "sham" impeachment was reason to release them. He also repeatedly mentioned his girlfriend left him after he voted for Trump in 2016.

Yeah, yeah - fake news, blah, blah, blah.

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« Reply #40 on: October 20, 2020, 08:01:01 AM »
Donald,

“COVID mask concealment... you seem to be contending that Biden was wearing masks back in mid 2019.  Now that would have not only been an abundance of caution, but also impressive prescience.
CBS news interviewed Mr MacIsaac and yes, he does characterize himself as ‘legally blind’.”


It is possible I misinterpreted the audio. He clearly states that he had 100 times greater difficulty seeing faces than a year before. Legally blind does not mean functionally blind, as most people understand.

“MacIsaac, the owner, said several times how he felt Mr. Trump was treated unfairly during his impeachment trial and suggested if the alleged documents are true, the "sham" impeachment was reason to release them. He also repeatedly mentioned his girlfriend left him after he voted for Trump in 2016.
Yeah, yeah - fake news, blah, blah, blah.”


He voted for Trump! You mean like half of America? That settles it, he has to be lying.

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« Reply #41 on: October 20, 2020, 08:10:14 AM »
Or less than half.

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« Reply #42 on: October 20, 2020, 08:14:22 AM »
Msquared,

“Or less than half.“

At least you understand how the electoral college works now, correct? It will be important to any candidate wanting to win the presidency.

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« Reply #43 on: October 20, 2020, 08:18:58 AM »
Well, he actually admitted that some of his actions were motivated by how unfairly the president was being treated: "MacIsaac, the owner, said several times how he felt Mr. Trump was treated unfairly during his impeachment trial and suggested if the alleged documents are true, the "sham" impeachment was reason to release them."  So yeah, that is somewhat relevant.

Especially when you consider the damning email, an email about having a coffee, was a 4-year old email, that was accidentally viewed and just so happened to have been identified as "significant" ("oh my goodness - this 4 year old email, that just happened to open accidentally on my screen, shows this guy asking about meeting again, and thanking him for the previous meeting! This requires immediate analysis!") 

Is it possible?  Maybe.  Is it likely?  Are there other explanations that fit the facts?  Hmmm...

And I have no idea why one would focus on him not being as blind as he said he is.  He admitted to not being able to identify "Biden" visually; he only knew who he claimed to have been dealing with when "Biden" gave his name.

Personally, I would be really, really, leery about hanging my hat on any of this, because it is so questionable for so many reasons.  It makes me wonder why people are so keen on accepting it as unvarnished truth.

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« Reply #44 on: October 20, 2020, 08:23:02 AM »
Donald,

“Personally, I would be really, really, leery about hanging my hat on any of this, because it is so questionable for so many reasons.  It makes me wonder why people are so keen on accepting it as unvarnished truth.”

Fortunately for you, and anyone else interested, the claims are subject to falsification.

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« Reply #45 on: October 20, 2020, 08:24:22 AM »
noel

I have always understood how the EC works.  What makes you think I didn't? How is that relevant to my comment on your statement?

You said "Half of America voted for Trump." That is not true.

First no every American voted, so his percent of the vote as a percent of the total population is well below half. 

Now that is common in American politics. I do not think any American president has gotten half of the total population to vote for him (maybe Washington?).

However, even among people who did vote, Trump did not get half of the votes.  He did get enough votes in the right stats to win the EC.

But to say half the people voted for him is not true.

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« Reply #46 on: October 20, 2020, 08:56:18 AM »
Donald,

“Personally, I would be really, really, leery about hanging my hat on any of this, because it is so questionable for so many reasons.  It makes me wonder why people are so keen on accepting it as unvarnished truth.”

Fortunately for you, and anyone else interested, the claims are subject to falsification.

And fortunately for the timing of the claims and the limited release of the data to only Trump friendly media outlets its unlikely for the whole story to go down in flames until after the election. Trump's people (Bannon and Rudy) saw how effective the Weiner laptop was and were trying the same play again. Or maybe they and a legally blind computer tech were duped by a foreign disinformation campaign. I mean the alleged child porn should be a giant red flag. I'm not saying Hunter is the sharpest tool in the shed but I think he's smart enough not to hand a laptop with child porn to a computer tech and then never return to get it.

There's also the location. In 2019 when this laptop was dropped off in Delaware while Hunter was living in LA. So I'm going to say this is almost certainly fake news.

Depending on how sophisticated the fake is will determine how long it takes to show its a fake. Was it a foreign intel set up or just a local Trump supporter out to get Biden? A foreign intelligence service could get enough authentic photo's of Hunter, hack some social media, maybe get a few authentic emails, and insert enough disinformation and fake photos and videos to make it take a while to sort out what's real and what's fake.

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« Reply #47 on: October 20, 2020, 10:05:34 AM »
Donald,

“And fortunately for the timing of the claims and the limited release of the data to only Trump friendly media outlets its unlikely for the whole story to go down in flames until after the election.”

Do you consider the FBI Baltimore Field Office a “Trump friendly media outlet”? They have possession of the original hard drive.

“Trump's people (Bannon and Rudy) saw how effective the Weiner laptop was and were trying the same play again. Or maybe they and a legally blind computer tech were duped by a foreign disinformation campaign. I mean the alleged child porn should be a giant red flag. I'm not saying Hunter is the sharpest tool in the shed but I think he's smart enough not to hand a laptop with child porn to a computer tech and then never return to get it.“

Never underestimate people’s capacity for stupidity.

“There's also the location. In 2019 when this laptop was dropped off in Delaware while Hunter was living in LA. So I'm going to say this is almost certainly fake news.”

Either the drive is his, or it is not. Speculation on Hunter’s travel history is irrelevant to that fact.

“Depending on how sophisticated the fake is will determine how long it takes to show its a fake. Was it a foreign intel set up or just a local Trump supporter out to get Biden? A foreign intelligence service could get enough authentic photo's of Hunter, hack some social media, maybe get a few authentic emails, and insert enough disinformation and fake photos and videos to make it take a while to sort out what's real and what's fake.“

You are beginning to sound neurotic. We all trust the FBI, right?

Msquared,

A spread of 2% in the popular vote is close enough to “half”, that to make an issue out of it indicates some lack of appreciation for how campaigning works. It is unfortunate for Hillary that you were not present to advise her. The relevance of my comment is that you do not act as if you understand the difference in importance between the electoral, and popular vote. Trump won an election that was Hillary’s to lose. Get over it.

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« Reply #48 on: October 20, 2020, 10:15:59 AM »
I am over it. You seem to have me confused with someone who says Trump did not win 2016. He did. I have never said otherwise.  I have never claimed he stole the election or any such comments.

And that was a very Trumpian answer.  I clearly stated why your statement was incorrect. More than half of the US did not vote for him. Even less than half of the people voting voted for him.

That is an objective fact.  But of course you would not admit to hyperbole in your statement.

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« Reply #49 on: October 20, 2020, 10:45:20 AM »
Msquared,

“That is an objective fact.  But of course you would not admit to hyperbole in your statement.“

Hyperbole: “an extravagant statement or figure of speech not intended to be taken literally, as ‘to wait an eternity.’ “

The difference between two percent, and an eternity, is what separates our concepts of hyperbole. Give it a rest msquared.