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noel c.

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« Reply #100 on: October 21, 2020, 11:11:44 PM »
Drake,

October 19, 2020 - 01:45 PM EDT

“Schiff stands behind his remarks to CNN.

‘We know that this whole smear on Joe Biden comes from the Kremlin. That's been clear for well over a year now that they've been pushing this false narrative about the vice president and his son,’ Schiff told anchor Wolf Blitzer.

‘Clearly, the origins of this whole smear are from the Kremlin, and the president is only too happy to have Kremlin help and try to amplify it.’ “


https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/policy/national-security/521712-ratcliffe-schiff-battle-over-biden-emails-politicized-intelligence%3famp

“We know” nothing of the sort. Schiff, as Intelligence Committee chairman knew that his characterization of the Hunter emails would be taken seriously, and he leveraged that presumption to pass a whopper of a lie, a lie that members of this site were “... only too happy to help and amplify it.”.

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« Reply #101 on: October 22, 2020, 12:26:22 AM »
...“We know” nothing of the sort. Schiff, as Intelligence Committee chairman knew that his characterization of the Hunter emails would be taken seriously, and he leveraged that presumption to pass a whopper of a lie, a lie that members of this site were “... only too happy to help and amplify it.”.

We also know that Schiff has not had to answer for his other lies, so why should he fear the treat of being caught out once again?

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« Reply #102 on: October 22, 2020, 01:59:59 AM »
10% “Big Guy” cut in most damning email authenticated by copied email recipient. :

https://apple.news/AZCGZU2fWT6-9P6itqBN5mQ

“The email includes a note that ‘Hunter has some office expectations he will elaborate.’ A proposed equity split references ‘20’ for ‘H’ and ‘10 held by H for the big guy?’ with no further details.
Fox News spoke to one of the people who was copied on the email, who confirmed its authenticity.”


FBI criminal investigation cover exposed. :

“One of the documents, obtained by Fox News, was designated as an FBI ‘Receipt for Property’ form, which details the bureau's interactions with John Paul Mac Isaac, the owner of ‘The Mac Shop’ who reported the laptop's contents to authorities. The document has a ‘Case ID’ section, which is filled in with a hand-written number: 272D-BA-3065729.
According to multiple officials, and the FBI's website, ‘272’ is the bureau's classification for money laundering, while ‘272D’ refers to ‘Money Laundering, Unknown SUA [Specified Unlawful Activity]—White Collar Crime Program,’ according to FBI documents. One government official described ‘272D’ as ‘transnational or blanket.’


Predicate “criminality” presumption required to open case connected with the Hunter laptop acquisition by the FBI Baltimore branch. :

" ‘The FBI cannot open a case without predication, so they believed there was predication for criminal activity,’ a government official told Fox News. ‘This means there was sufficient evidence to believe that there was criminal conduct... If a criminal case was opened and subpoenas were issued, that means there is a high likelihood that both the laptop and hard drive contain fruits of criminal activity,’ the official said."

FBI confidentiality fire-wall breached in time for voter consideration through deft control retention of hard drive contents by Rudy Giuliani. :

“The FBI, in its letter to Johnson, wrote that ‘consistent with longstanding Department of Justice (Department) policy and practice, the FBI can neither confirm nor deny the existence of any ongoing investigation or persons or entities under investigation, including to Members of Congress... The emails in question were first obtained by the New York Post and, in part, revealed that Hunter Biden allegedly introduced his father, the then-vice president, to a top executive at Ukrainian natural gas firm Burisma Holdings less than a year before he pressured government officials in Ukraine to fire prosecutor Viktor Shokin, who was investigating the company's founder.."

And the controlled trickle of politically damaging information has fourteen more days to run. Rudi is sucker-punching the Biden campaign from a position of complete narrative domination.
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« Reply #103 on: October 22, 2020, 09:25:17 AM »
FBI letter in full.
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This responds to your letter, dated October 17, 2020, to the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) regarding the authenticity of certain information provided to your Committee, including whether such information is linked to a foreign adversary’s influence operation or is otherwise fraudulent. You also ask several questions about a laptop computer reportedly produced pursuant to a grand jury subpoena.

As you may know, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence has advised the
American public that, in advance of the 2020 election, a number of nation-states plan to use covert and overt influence measures in an attempt to sway voter preferences and perspectives, sow discord in the United States, and undermine the confidence of Americans in our democratic process. The FBI is the primary investigative agency responsible for the integrity and security of the 2020 election, and as such, we are focused on an array of threats, including the threat of
malign foreign influence operations. Regarding the subject of your letter, we have nothing to add at this time to the October 19th public statement by the Director of National Intelligence about the available actionable intelligence. If actionable intelligence is developed, the FBI in consultation with the Intelligence Community will evaluate the need to provide defensive briefings to you and the Committee pursuant to the established notification framework.

Finally, as the FBI advised the Committee in its letter, dated October 5, 2020, consistent with longstanding Department of Justice (Department) policy and practice, the FBI can neither confirm nor deny the existence of any ongoing investigation or persons or entities under investigation, including to Members of Congress. As the Inspector General firmly reminded the Department and the FBI in recent years, this policy is designed to preserve the integrity of all Justice Department investigations and the Department’s ability to effectively administer justice without political or other undue outside influences. Therefore, the FBI cannot provide any additional information in response to the enumerated questions in your letter.

Thank you for your support of the FBI, its mission, and its people.

This is still the official line from the FBI. I don't see anything that confirms that the NYP story. Even if the FBI is in possession of a real laptop belonging to Hunter Biden, and that's a big if. We have no way of knowing if the copy of the drive provided to Rudy and the NYP has been altered in any way.

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« Reply #104 on: October 22, 2020, 09:55:04 AM »
And the controlled trickle of politically damaging information has fourteen more days to run. Rudi is sucker-punching the Biden campaign from a position of complete narrative domination.

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More than 42 million people had voted early, either in-person or by mail, as of Wednesday afternoon

Likely 1/4 of the vote is in. With millions more voting everyday. What's Rudy's reason for holding onto damaging intel? I know you want to believe this is all legit but Rudy lacks credibility and the Hunter Biden laptop hasn't moved the polls at all yet. If Rudy is going to use this to impact anything he needs enough evidence and credibility for this to get play outside of the right wing media loop. Right now the only people who care about this story are already Trump voters. That hasn't and isn't going to help close Trump's poll numbers. I think this is a giant nothing burger that Trump and Rudy are trying to use to make it look like there is smoke but when under further investigation there's nothing there, assuming there is anything non fabricated there to begin with. His complete narrative dominance has gotten no play outside of the right wing media sphere except for people doubting its veracity.

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« Reply #105 on: October 22, 2020, 10:39:53 AM »
...Likely 1/4 of the vote is in. With millions more voting everyday. What's Rudy's reason for holding onto damaging intel? I know you want to believe this is all legit but Rudy lacks credibility and the Hunter Biden laptop hasn't moved the polls at all yet. If Rudy is going to use this to impact anything he needs enough evidence and credibility for this to get play outside of the right wing media loop. Right now the only people who care about this story are already Trump voters. That hasn't and isn't going to help close Trump's poll numbers. I think this is a giant nothing burger that Trump and Rudy are trying to use to make it look like there is smoke but when under further investigation there's nothing there, assuming there is anything non fabricated there to begin with. His complete narrative dominance has gotten no play outside of the right wing media sphere except for people doubting its veracity.

You are on the losing side here. Real journalists and the FBI have already confirmed all the main aspects of the charges against Hunter, Joe, and his crime family. Joe has explicitly lied about it. He has been confirmed as the "Big Guy" by Hunter's business partner. The only thing stopping the Biden perp walk to the prison bus is Christopher Wray and other Swamp monsters. Personally, I would love to see "Ameica's Mayor" be named as Special Prosecutor.

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« Reply #106 on: October 22, 2020, 10:47:37 AM »
It seems like somebody is using the words "real", "confirmed", "all" "charged" and "crime" to mean something different from what normal people do when they use those words.

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« Reply #107 on: October 22, 2020, 10:52:08 AM »
Time will tell, but for now, with a few notable exceptions of Murdoch rags, the media is notably not biting because the evidence that they all have is limited to what Giuliani has said and what the NY Post has reported.

Basically, they can safely report on the existence of the Giuliani claims, and on the existence of the NY Post story, but not actually about the 'substance' of those claims.  They can also report on the FBI's "no comment"...

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« Reply #108 on: October 22, 2020, 11:10:41 AM »
Time will tell, but for now, with a few notable exceptions of Murdoch rags, the media is notably not biting because the evidence that they all have is limited to what Giuliani has said and what the NY Post has reported.

Basically, they can safely report on the existence of the Giuliani claims, and on the existence of the NY Post story, but not actually about the 'substance' of those claims.  They can also report on the FBI's "no comment"...

Time has already told. What is there about proven facts that elude you? Do you think because a SCOTUS Justice hasn't ruled on it that the facts do not exist? Biden is dirty. He is compromised by our greatest foreign adversaries. Doesn't that make the time before the election ends of paramount value? Tony Bobulinski has nailed his associates. He also named six more powerful Democrats who may be dragged under with Biden.

Biden may claim he is being "smeared," but in actuality, he is being exposed. He has said "the great majority of Intelligence professionals say there is nothing there," when, in fact, they have all confirmed the charges. I sure would like to listen in to his prep work for tonight's debate.

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« Reply #109 on: October 22, 2020, 11:16:33 AM »
"proven facts" - you seem to be suggesting that significant numbers of non-Murdoch rags are running with the story.

I don't think they are, but please, point out which media entities are running with the 'story'.  Which media actually have access to the laptop in question?   And of those that do not have access to the laptop, which of them are reporting blindly on the contents thereof?

Or was that whole post a non-sequitur, and had nothing to do with my pointing out that most media are ignoring the click bait?

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« Reply #110 on: October 22, 2020, 11:48:37 AM »
For those on the right, here's how the rest of the world is viewing this story.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/22/hunter-biden-giuliani-hard-drive-431022

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Trump’s personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, has said he obtained the materials from the laptop of Hunter Biden, the Democratic nominee’s son. They have not been reviewed or verified by POLITICO — and there are questions about the New York Post’s reporting on the matter, as well as the tabloid and other Trump-friendly outlets’ interpretations of events. There are concerns, too, about the former New York mayor’s interactions with figures linked by Trump’s own administration to Russian intelligence.
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On a more basic level, there is still no proof the email is real — Pozharskyi has not replied to multiple requests for comment about whether he wrote it — or that such a meeting ever occurred. Biden aides have strenuously denied any such meeting ever happened.
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Fox News has since reported, citing anonymous sources, that “the big guy” is a reference to Joe Biden. But there is no evidence that Hunter Biden ever struck a deal with the Chinese company, let alone that his father got a cut—income from China does not appear in Biden’s tax returns, including from the year of the alleged transaction.
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Why are other media outlets still skeptical?
First of all, other outlets haven’t gotten their hands on Hunter’s supposed hard drive, and the Trump allies who say they have it have ensured it stays that way.
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there are giant blinking warning signs about the documents, their provenance and the timing of their disclosure. For one: The primary driver of the episode is Giuliani. Giuliani has been seeking to obtain and promote anti-Biden material for two years, consorting with foreign actors deemed by U.S. intelligence and the State Department to be corrupt.
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And The New York Times recently revealed the inner machinations of the New York Post newsroom as it began crafting stories about Hunter Biden’s emails. Per the Times, veteran reporters refused to put their names on the story, and one of the two reporters whose names appeared on the byline didn’t realize she would be included as a coauthor until after the stories ran.
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« Reply #111 on: October 22, 2020, 11:56:23 AM »
What is there about proven facts that elude you?

What specific allegations do you think have been "proven"? What evidence are you using to justify the use of the word "proven"?

Please be as specific as possible.

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« Reply #112 on: October 22, 2020, 12:19:41 PM »
What is there about proven facts that elude you?

What specific allegations do you think have been "proven"? What evidence are you using to justify the use of the word "proven"?

Please be as specific as possible.

Tony Bobulinski has confirmed that Biden had meetings with the eMailers, and the FBI and real journalists have confirmed with the parties involved. The facts are not disputed. You are only clinging to the fallacy that since many MSM organs will not cover it, that it is disputed, There is no longer any disputation.

noel c.

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« Reply #113 on: October 22, 2020, 07:10:20 PM »
Y-22,

“This is still the official line from the FBI. I don't see anything that confirms that the NYP story. Even if the FBI is in possession of a real laptop belonging to Hunter Biden, and that's a big if. We have no way of knowing if the copy of the drive provided to Rudy and the NYP has been altered in any way.”


WmLambert is correct about Tony Bobulinski, he is the cc’d email recipient that I made reference to in my last post, and is making an appearance at the debate tonight as Trump’s guest.

Don’t hang your hat on the FBI’s “no comment policy” either. I addressed that in the same post. The FBI still writes receipts for property taken into custody, and Mac Issac has one with a case number that was already referenced for you. The case code indicates a high probability predicate assessment of criminal activity pertaining to White Collar money laundering. As far as worrying that Mac Issac gave Rudy a corrupted copy of the Hunter hard-drive, you are beginning to sound like Descartes. Were you this unreasonably scrupulous about provenance, or purity of transmission, when the so-called Steele Dossier was being circulated?

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« Reply #114 on: October 22, 2020, 07:36:30 PM »
One problem with early voting is that when it ends up being significantly substantiated that your guy is a corrupt crook lining his family's pockets using the authority you entrusted to him then once your vote is cast it's too late to change your mind.

That's why I'm waiting until the last minute before I vote again for Trump.

noel c.

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« Reply #115 on: October 22, 2020, 07:42:06 PM »
P.S. ,

WmLambert is also correct about the prevalent assumption that the MSM matters at all in determining, and disseminating, validation findings. The mainstream media has been methodically excluded from the Hunter Biden story precisely because they are worse than useless in ferreting out objective narratives. Most have been politically animated since choosing journalism majors in college to “make a difference”. They needed to direct their creative impulses into a less destructive life path such as Horticulture, or Feng Shui.
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« Reply #116 on: October 23, 2020, 01:24:44 AM »
The trickle continues...

Three cell phones will be presented before a Senate committee tomorrow by Tony Bobulinski. No doubt, the FBI will want to subpoena those in addition to the Hunter laptop. Fortunately for the voting public, we will see the cell phone evidence, just as we have the Hunter laptop evidence, prior to FBI lockdown. :

https://youtu.be/aiiSq7toqlQ

What was Uncle Joe’s debate answer to all of this last night : “Russia”! Yes folks, the Russians dropped that laptop off at the “blind” computer technician’s shop.

1h: 10 m: 45 s (relevant dialogue)

https://youtu.be/bPiofmZGb8o


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« Reply #117 on: October 23, 2020, 10:42:57 AM »
Against my normal reticence at scrolling video, I went to 1:10:45, and Biden was talking about Healthcare.

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« Reply #118 on: October 23, 2020, 10:50:59 AM »
https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/donald-trump-joe-biden-final-presidential-debate-transcript-2020

Please do make a quote from the debate that supports you. Otherwise you are a *censored*ing joke.

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« Reply #119 on: October 23, 2020, 11:34:52 AM »
Does it bother anyone about how the laptop has been reported to have been attained, The chain of custody?
Is Rudy a reliable narrator?

Those who believe Hunter and so Joe are guilty fear that it makes Joe vulnerable to blackmail or undue influence from foreign powers.
Yet the same people are not concerned at all of Trump's vulnerability to blackmail and undue influence.
-- he owes 300+ million to unknown foreign entities
-- He never separated himself from his business interests which foreign entities and various corporations have "donated" to the tune of a billion +   

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« Reply #120 on: October 23, 2020, 11:39:15 AM »
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I take full responsibility. It’s not my fault

This, in a nutshell...

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« Reply #121 on: October 23, 2020, 11:40:12 AM »
Does it bother anyone about how the laptop has been reported to have been attained, The chain of custody?
Yes.
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Is Rudy a reliable narrator?
No.
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Those who believe Hunter and so Joe are guilty fear that it makes Joe vulnerable to blackmail or undue influence from foreign powers.
Yet the same people are not concerned at all of Trump's vulnerability to blackmail and undue influence.
-- he owes 300+ million to unknown foreign entities
-- He never separated himself from his business interests which foreign entities and various corporations have "donated" to the tune of a billion +

Or that Trump has continued to refuse to release his tax returns. Did you see him in the debate last night? What a little cry baby about how unfair the IRS is to him. He could release his returns but he is choosing not to. Nothing about being audited precludes public disclosure.
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« Reply #122 on: October 23, 2020, 01:57:49 PM »
What is there about proven facts that elude you?

What specific allegations do you think have been "proven"? What evidence are you using to justify the use of the word "proven"?

Please be as specific as possible.

Tony Bobulinski has confirmed that Biden had meetings with the eMailers, and the FBI and real journalists have confirmed with the parties involved. The facts are not disputed. You are only clinging to the fallacy that since many MSM organs will not cover it, that it is disputed, There is no longer any disputation.

Biden disputed it at the debate.

Also you seem to be conflating a couple different things here. The emails about meeting Ukrainians were 2015 and Bobulinski wasn't in the picture.

The only thing he potentially has information on is the 2017 deal with a Chinese firm. We've yet to see if that deal actually happened.

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« Reply #123 on: October 23, 2020, 01:57:55 PM »
Does it bother anyone about how the laptop has been reported to have been attained, The chain of custody?
Yes.

No. Hunter brought the laptop to Mac Isaac and signed the receipt that had the caveat that unpicked up, unpaid items become the property of the repairman. Hunter returned a second time and brought in a keypad that he also signed for, then he vanished and would not respond to Isaac's attempts to contact him. After awhile Isaacs became concerned with all the news about Hunter and Joe being involved in scandal, so he copied the hard drive and brought the original to the FBI, where they opened an investigation. (Chain of evidence is the doctrine in law that allows arsonists to escape being proved guilty, when the firemen come into a burning building and overhaul a fire. They toss any flammables out the window, which breaks the chain of evidence so they can't later be checked for fingerprints and admitted as evidence. Isaac maintained control of all items, so everything is admissible.)

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Is Rudy a reliable narrator?
No.

Yes, He is a former prosecutor, with great experience, besides being "America's Mayor." When the FBI warned Isaac that he should "keep quiet or else put himself in danger" he went to wherever he could assume protection, which ended up being Rudy's legal staff.

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Those who believe Hunter and so Joe are guilty fear that it makes Joe vulnerable to blackmail or undue influence from foreign powers.
Yet the same people are not concerned at all of Trump's vulnerability to blackmail and undue influence.
-- he owes 300+ million to unknown foreign entities
-- He never separated himself from his business interests which foreign entities and various corporations have "donated" to the tune of a billion +

Or that Trump has continued to refuse to release his tax returns. Did you see him in the debate last night? What a little cry baby about how unfair the IRS is to him. He could release his returns but he is choosing not to. Nothing about being audited precludes public disclosure.

In actuality, there are no secret Chinese bank accounts. Trump was an international businessman, and as he did explain in the debate, he had an account in China for his business use, which he closed in 2015. It is Biden who got money from China with no transparency.

There are also no problems with any tax returns. Trump did turn over in-depth financial records. There is no law that says he must turn over the thousands of private business records that has accumulated. There is an audit, and his expensive legal representatives told him not to open up any documents he is not required to. He also acknowledged in the debate that although the MSM said he only paid $750 dollars in taxes, he actually paid millions of dollars. Separate verification shows he paid over a million dollars for tax in 2016, and over three million dollars in 2017. The $750 was a filing fee.

Question: has Biden filed anything on the graft he received (and verified) by Russia, China, and other foreign nations?

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« Reply #124 on: October 23, 2020, 02:04:39 PM »
There are also no problems with any tax returns.
Then why not release them?
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Trump did turn over in-depth financial records. There is no law that says he must turn over the thousands of private business records that has accumulated. There is an audit, and his expensive legal representatives told him not to open up any documents he is not required to.
Its almost like they think he has something to hide.
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He also acknowledged in the debate that although the MSM said he only paid $750 dollars in taxes, he actually paid millions of dollars. Separate verification shows he paid over a million dollars for tax in 2016, and over three million dollars in 2017. The $750 was a filing fee.
What separate verification? And since when does the IRS charge a "filing fee"?
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Question: has Biden filed anything on the graft he received (and verified) by Russia, China, and other foreign nations?

What verification? I've seen allegations but no evidence that the money got to Joe.

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« Reply #125 on: October 23, 2020, 02:10:27 PM »
Drake,

“Please do make a quote from the debate that supports you. Otherwise you are a *censored*ing joke.”

You seem so easily entertained. Use the text if you prefer, but the audio is priceless (minute 48). I don’t know what that counter was reading. Rudy’s alleged role as a Russian dupe was effectively dispelled with DNI John Ratcliffe‘s categorical rebuttal of Democratic claims that the Hunter Biden scandal is part of a Russian disinformation conspiracy.

I also liked the way Joe emphatically asserted that he has ... “never taken money from a foreign government, not once”. Technically he is telling the truth, but using his son as a proxy for political graft is even worse. Tony Bobulinski has already commented upon this Biden extortion tactic, and more will come out in the Senate gearing. Bobulinski is now being requested to make himself available to the FBI for questioning.

Y-22,

“Or that Trump has continued to refuse to release his tax returns.

I would refuse disclosure of my tax returns too. Where does the notion that strangers are entitled to examine private financial records come from?

“Those who believe Hunter and so Joe are guilty fear that it makes Joe vulnerable to blackmail or undue influence from foreign powers.
Yet the same people are not concerned at all of Trump's vulnerability to blackmail and undue influence.
-- he owes 300+ million to unknown foreign entities
-- He never separated himself from his business interests which foreign entities and various corporations have ‘donated’ to the tune of a billion + “


This seems rather shotgun in its approach to excusing Joe. Get specific.

“Does it bother anyone about how the laptop has been reported to have been attained, The chain of custody?”

Yes, I wish Hunter would have turned the computer into the FBI himself. Apparently, there are bounds to his stupidity.

RL-22,

“Did you see him in the debate last night? What a little cry baby about how unfair the IRS is to him. He could release his returns but he is choosing not to. Nothing about being audited precludes public disclosure.”

If a tax liability is still being determined, there is not much to disclose. I wish that he would have just told Biden to copulate with himself.

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« Reply #126 on: October 23, 2020, 02:15:52 PM »
What is there about proven facts that elude you?

What specific allegations do you think have been "proven"? What evidence are you using to justify the use of the word "proven"?

Please be as specific as possible.

Tony Bobulinski has confirmed that Biden had meetings with the eMailers, and the FBI and real journalists have confirmed with the parties involved. The facts are not disputed. You are only clinging to the fallacy that since many MSM organs will not cover it, that it is disputed, There is no longer any disputation.

Biden disputed it at the debate.

Also you seem to be conflating a couple different things here. The emails about meeting Ukrainians were 2015 and Bobulinski wasn't in the picture.

The only thing he potentially has information on is the 2017 deal with a Chinese firm. We've yet to see if that deal actually happened.

Tony Bobulinski wrecked Joe Biden's excusatory lie that he never talked to Hunter about his foreign entanglements. Joe Biden lied again at the debate. Tony gave hard evidence that he was in meetings with Joe, Hunter, and Jim Biden in talks with a Chinese money man, and testified that Joe Biden is "The Big Guy," in Hunter's emails that received a cut from all the family's illegal graft. Actual journalists who are looking to pick up a Pulitzer for real investigative reporting have vetted the claims, and Joe just says Trump takes everything out of context. Joe is toast.

At the debate, Trump said to Biden that, "I ran because of you." Can a President run the country from a jail cell? Biden, his son, his brother, and other members of the Biden crime family may end up in orange jump suits. If this gets pushed beyond the election and Biden somehow manages to win, all these perps will get a pass. Can you live with yourself if that happens?

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« Reply #127 on: October 23, 2020, 02:21:01 PM »
Drake,

“Please do make a quote from the debate that supports you. Otherwise you are a *censored*ing joke.”

You seem so easily entertained. Use the text if you prefer, but the audio is priceless (minute 48). I don’t know what that counter was reading. Rudy’s alleged role as a Russian dupe was effectively dispelled with DNI John Ratcliffe‘s categorical rebuttal of Democratic claims that the Hunter Biden scandal is part of a Russian disinformation conspiracy.


Oh so now you're redirecting me from "1h: 10 m: 45 s" to minute 48. No thanks. I gave you the transcript, why don't you quote the words? I don't need to see someone's facial expressions. I'm feeling charitable so I'll do it for you.

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But the point is this, folks. We are in a situation where we have foreign countries trying to interfere in the outcome of our election. His own National Security Advisor told him that what is happening with his buddy… Well, I shouldn’t… Well, I will. His buddy Rudy Giuliani. He’s being used as a Russian pawn. He’s being fed information that is Russian that is not true. And then what happens? Nothing happens. And then you find out that everything that’s going on here, about Russia is wanting to make sure that I do not get elected the next President of the United States, because they know I know them, and they know me.

Let's see what the question was again?

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All right. We’re going to move on to our next section, which is national security. And I do want to start with the security of our elections and some breaking news from overnight. Just last night, top intelligence officials confirmed again that both Russia and Iran are working to influence this election. Both countries have obtained US voter registration information, these officials say, and Iran sent intimidating messages to Florida voters. This question goes to you, Mr. Vice President. What would you do to put an end to this threat? You have two minutes, uninterrupted.

Trump's answer to the same question was a non-sequitur.

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Well, let me respond to the first part, as Joe answered. Joe got $3.5 million from Russia and it came through Putin, because he was very friendly with the former mayor of Moscow and it was the mayor of Moscow’s wife. And you got $3.5 million. Your family got $3.5 million. And someday you’re going to have to explain, why did you get three and a half? I never got any money from Russia. I don’t get money from Russia.

Which isn't in any way an answer that addresses what he plans to do about Russian interference in the election - regardless of the validity of the statement, which is dubious at best.

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George Mesires, Hunter Biden’s lawyer, told the Washington Post that Biden was not a “co-founder” of Rosemont Seneca Thornton and had “no interest in it”—and “therefore [the] claim that he was paid $3.5 million is false.”

Hunter Biden co-founded an investment firm called Rosemont Seneca Advisors, but there’s no evidence that it has any relationship with Rosemont Seneca Thornton.

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« Reply #128 on: October 23, 2020, 02:25:13 PM »
I would refuse disclosure of my tax returns too. Where does the notion that strangers are entitled to examine private financial records come from?

I'll put my tax returns out via docusign to any of you that wants them, redacting only my personal information. Who needs to hide things? I worked for X dollars, claimed Y deductions, and paid my bill. What's so mysterious? Unless you're cheating the American people out of revenue, or embarrassed being caught lying about what you earned, or claiming dependents your family and friends didn't know about.

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« Reply #129 on: October 23, 2020, 02:30:22 PM »
There is an investigative report circulating now, but little confirmation of just which intel agency leaked it. It looks like the FBI - but without more info, it is just a useful tool to see what is out there. It names all the players. If it is the FBI, then some patriot is afraid the info will be buried until after the election.

https://www.baldingsworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/KVBJHB.pdf

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« Reply #130 on: October 23, 2020, 02:35:31 PM »
There is an investigative report circulating now, but little confirmation of just which intel agency leaked it. It looks like the FBI - but without more info, it is just a useful tool to see what is out there. It names all the players. If it is the FBI, then some patriot is afraid the info will be buried until after the election.

https://www.baldingsworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/KVBJHB.pdf

Or some foreign agent hoping the country will be locked in another 4 years of the Trump quagmire.

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« Reply #131 on: October 23, 2020, 02:46:34 PM »
wmLambert,

You are correct that there is no law requiring him to release his tax returns. I would have said it would be his sense of honor. He said he would release them and he has not.  He did not clarify his statements with " I will release financial documents as required by law". he said he would release his tax returns.  And he has not. He lied.

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« Reply #132 on: October 23, 2020, 02:58:20 PM »
Does it bother anyone about how the laptop has been reported to have been attained, The chain of custody?
Yes.

No. Hunter brought the laptop to Mac Isaac and signed the receipt that had the caveat that unpicked up, unpaid items become the property of the repairman. Hunter returned a second time and brought in a keypad that he also signed for, then he vanished and would not respond to Isaac's attempts to contact him. After awhile Isaacs became concerned with all the news about Hunter and Joe being involved in scandal, so he copied the hard drive and brought the original to the FBI, where they opened an investigation. (Chain of evidence is the doctrine in law that allows arsonists to escape being proved guilty, when the firemen come into a burning building and overhaul a fire. They toss any flammables out the window, which breaks the chain of evidence so they can't later be checked for fingerprints and admitted as evidence. Isaac maintained control of all items, so everything is admissible.)

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Is Rudy a reliable narrator?
No.

Yes, He is a former prosecutor, with great experience, besides being "America's Mayor." When the FBI warned Isaac that he should "keep quiet or else put himself in danger" he went to wherever he could assume protection, which ended up being Rudy's legal staff.

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Those who believe Hunter and so Joe are guilty fear that it makes Joe vulnerable to blackmail or undue influence from foreign powers.
Yet the same people are not concerned at all of Trump's vulnerability to blackmail and undue influence.
-- he owes 300+ million to unknown foreign entities
-- He never separated himself from his business interests which foreign entities and various corporations have "donated" to the tune of a billion +

Or that Trump has continued to refuse to release his tax returns. Did you see him in the debate last night? What a little cry baby about how unfair the IRS is to him. He could release his returns but he is choosing not to. Nothing about being audited precludes public disclosure.

In actuality, there are no secret Chinese bank accounts. Trump was an international businessman, and as he did explain in the debate, he had an account in China for his business use, which he closed in 2015. It is Biden who got money from China with no transparency.

There are also no problems with any tax returns. Trump did turn over in-depth financial records. There is no law that says he must turn over the thousands of private business records that has accumulated. There is an audit, and his expensive legal representatives told him not to open up any documents he is not required to. He also acknowledged in the debate that although the MSM said he only paid $750 dollars in taxes, he actually paid millions of dollars. Separate verification shows he paid over a million dollars for tax in 2016, and over three million dollars in 2017. The $750 was a filing fee.

Question: has Biden filed anything on the graft he received (and verified) by Russia, China, and other foreign nations?

You pivoted away from Issues that Trump
-- owes 300+ million to unknown foreign entities
-- never separated himself from his business interests which foreign entities and various corporations have "donated" to the tune of a billion +

Your very concerned about Biden's unproven issue while you whitewash Trumps issues that leave him vulnerable.

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« Reply #133 on: October 23, 2020, 03:11:07 PM »
There is an investigative report circulating now, but little confirmation of just which intel agency leaked it. It looks like the FBI - but without more info, it is just a useful tool to see what is out there. It names all the players. If it is the FBI, then some patriot is afraid the info will be buried until after the election.

https://www.baldingsworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/KVBJHB.pdf

Man you sure are gullible. The document is attributed to "Typhoon Investigations". Wonder who they are?

Turns out, they have a wordpress blog.

So legitimate! The gravitas is just dripping off the pages! They didn't even bother to register a domain name for $15, their contact address is @protonmail. Their archive page contains exactly one document - about Hunter and Seneca.

But, and I truly thank you for this giant laugh, I clicked on the footnote 5 link.

It supported the report statement:

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On February 17 2012, BIDEN met with Xi, then Vice-President (but soon to be China President) in
California.5

Now, there's no dispute that Biden met Xi in public at a school for international studies. But the part that's funny is that the article is about a manipulated photo. It is probably no coincidence that the manipulated photo, changing the legend on the t-shirt to "I <heart> China", was tweeted by the Trump campaign. Now if you were a legitimate threat assessment firm getting paid a fat contract for your specialist analysis, is that REALLY going to be your source for a well established fact?

You could cite CNN or WP, for example.

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« Reply #134 on: October 23, 2020, 04:17:49 PM »
Drake,

“What's so mysterious? Unless you're cheating the American people out of revenue, or embarrassed being caught lying about what you earned, or claiming dependents your family and friends didn't know about.“

Or; any number of situations in which public disclosure of tax records could create a competitive disadvantage.

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« Reply #135 on: October 23, 2020, 04:22:34 PM »
Hard to misrepresent yourself to the banks if all your tax information is out there.

Though if he was worried about keeping "trade secrets" maybe he shouldn't have promised to release his returns.

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« Reply #136 on: October 23, 2020, 04:49:09 PM »
...You pivoted away from Issues that Trump
-- owes 300+ million to unknown foreign entities
-- never separated himself from his business interests which foreign entities and various corporations have "donated" to the tune of a billion +

Your very concerned about Biden's unproven issue while you whitewash Trumps issues that leave him vulnerable.

Are you kidding? Trump's business is in a blind trust. What does "never separated himself from his business interests with foreign entities" mean in your disinformational mind? The main donators to the Democrats are the Billionaires who think they own Joe Biden. In the Debate, Biden said his average donation was $43. Liar. The Billionaires do the same thing that the Chinese and Russians do: give the money to his family or PACS where he gets a cut.

Trump is a billionaire. He can handle his money legally. Biden is not a wealthy man on paper, yet he lives like one.

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« Reply #137 on: October 23, 2020, 05:02:30 PM »
...thank you for this giant laugh, I clicked on the footnote 5 link.

It supported the report statement:

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On February 17 2012, BIDEN met with Xi, then Vice-President (but soon to be China President) in
California.5

I clicked on:
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On May 2, BIDEN remarked, “They can't figure out how they're going to deal with the corruption that exists within the system. I mean, you know, they're not bad folks, folks. But guess what, they're not, they're not competition for us.”
On May 3, it was reported that BHR invested in Face++, a Chinese surveillance company which develops facial recognition software for law enforcement in China, including targeting ethnic minority Muslims Xinjiang.

In September 2019,
BIDEN said this of HUNTER’s busines deals:

“I have never spoken to my son about his overseas business dealings.

That is not 2012. He said it last night again, yet Tony Bobulinski said he witnessd such meetings where he was completely informed. Biden is still toast. Why do you defend him?

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« Reply #138 on: October 23, 2020, 05:10:00 PM »
He doesn't smell like toast...

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« Reply #139 on: October 23, 2020, 05:20:12 PM »
Darn those fake news reporters at fake news Foxnews the fake fake news organization: Jacqui Heinrich: Fox News

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Jacqui Heinrich
@JacquiHeinrich

I completed searching all of Tony Bobulinski’s emails. They establish:
  • the “Chairman” is China.
  • NO ROLE for Joe Biden in emails/docs
  • Tony Bobulinski states himself there are NO OTHER MEMBERS besides Hunter Biden, Jim Biden, Rob Walker, James Gillar, and Bobulinski
1:18 AM · Oct 23, 2020·Twitter for iPhone

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« Reply #140 on: October 23, 2020, 05:55:50 PM »
...thank you for this giant laugh, I clicked on the footnote 5 link.

It supported the report statement:

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On February 17 2012, BIDEN met with Xi, then Vice-President (but soon to be China President) in
California.5

I clicked on:
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On May 2, BIDEN remarked, “They can't figure out how they're going to deal with the corruption that exists within the system. I mean, you know, they're not bad folks, folks. But guess what, they're not, they're not competition for us.”
On May 3, it was reported that BHR invested in Face++, a Chinese surveillance company which develops facial recognition software for law enforcement in China, including targeting ethnic minority Muslims Xinjiang.

In September 2019,
BIDEN said this of HUNTER’s busines deals:

“I have never spoken to my son about his overseas business dealings.

That is not 2012. He said it last night again, yet Tony Bobulinski said he witnessd such meetings where he was completely informed. Biden is still toast. Why do you defend him?

Why would I believe anything else in this bogus "report", knowing who wrote it and how piss poor their research is? I'm not really going to go line by line to refute each and every thing that they commented on.

Why are you defending Typhoon as a legitimate source of information, when their whole deal and editorializing is clearly politically motivated?

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Are you kidding? Trump's business is in a blind trust.

What level of cognitive dissonance do you have to achieve to make the assumption that the Bidens talked about business, but the Trumps never do?

Also, I don't think you know what a blind trust is, because Trump ain't got one.

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So what is a blind trust? Here's where we get into the legal bits. The reality is that many Americans don't really know what a trust is, much less a blind trust. That's because, of course, most of us don't directly and knowingly deal with trusts in our daily lives (even though they're all around us - that's a post for another time).

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In contrast, a blind trust keeps certain kind of information - like asset makeup and management - secret from trust beneficiaries. With a blind trust, the beneficiaries do not know the assets held in trust and they have no power to participate in the management or distribution of those assets. The control of the blind trust is held by a trustee (or trustee) who typically has complete discretion over the trust management.

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He doesn't have just one or two investments that could be potential sources of conflict. Rather he has a mix of assets, including real estate like Trump Tower and Mar-a-Lago,  and other investments all over the world, with the potential to be sources of conflict. He can't simply transfer those assets into a blind trust because, as Dillon noted, "President Trump can't unknow he owns Trump Tower."

There's nothing blind about trying to host the G7 at Doral.

forbes

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« Reply #141 on: October 23, 2020, 06:00:02 PM »
...You pivoted away from Issues that Trump
-- owes 300+ million to unknown foreign entities
-- never separated himself from his business interests which foreign entities and various corporations have "donated" to the tune of a billion +

Your very concerned about Biden's unproven issue while you whitewash Trumps issues that leave him vulnerable.

Are you kidding? Trump's business is in a blind trust. What does "never separated himself from his business interests with foreign entities" mean in your disinformational mind? The main donators to the Democrats are the Billionaires who think they own Joe Biden. In the Debate, Biden said his average donation was $43. Liar. The Billionaires do the same thing that the Chinese and Russians do: give the money to his family or PACS where he gets a cut.

Trump is a billionaire. He can handle his money legally. Biden is not a wealthy man on paper, yet he lives like one.

Your wrong on that. Trumps said during the 2016 election that he was gong to place his business into a blind trust but he never did it.

"Trump has served as president while holding on to his hundreds of businesses. He has continued to promote his Trump-branded properties, spending roughly a third of his presidency on his business interests."

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« Reply #142 on: October 23, 2020, 06:29:09 PM »
Your wrong on that. Trumps said during the 2016 election that he was gong to place his business into a blind trust but he never did it.

"Trump has served as president while holding on to his hundreds of businesses. He has continued to promote his Trump-branded properties, spending roughly a third of his presidency on his business interests."

I'm frankly curious whether William will be able to acknowledge this point.  It's not exactly contentious...

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« Reply #143 on: October 23, 2020, 10:32:08 PM »
Your wrong on that. Trumps said during the 2016 election that he was gong to place his business into a blind trust but he never did it.

"Trump has served as president while holding on to his hundreds of businesses. He has continued to promote his Trump-branded properties, spending roughly a third of his presidency on his business interests."

I'm frankly curious whether William will be able to acknowledge this point.  It's not exactly contentious...

I'm frankly curious how far you will go to sell out your honor and integrity. Trump told us all that his kids were put in charge of everything and no one has doubted that except Dems who don't believe the sun rises in the East. Trump works harder than any one we've ever seen in the Oval Office, and has more honor than Schiff, Pelosi, Schumer, Biden, Kamala, and any other Dems you never challenge. What is your rationalization for why you refuse to accept reality?

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« Reply #144 on: October 23, 2020, 10:37:02 PM »
So that's a "no".

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« Reply #145 on: October 24, 2020, 09:13:29 AM »
Putting your kids in charge is not a blind trust. You get that right? Especially when they are involved with day to day things of the government.

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« Reply #146 on: October 24, 2020, 09:32:36 AM »
Putting your kids in charge is not a blind trust. You get that right? Especially when they are involved with day to day things of the government.

And a blind trust would imply someone managing a stock or asset portfolio you don’t know the contents of. Trump still knows what companies and properties are part of Trump inc.

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« Reply #147 on: October 26, 2020, 12:20:30 AM »
...a blind trust would imply someone managing a stock or asset portfolio you don’t know the contents of. Trump still knows what companies and properties are part of Trump inc.

Are you totally clueless? If you owned any major company that is in the news every day, you can be removed from running it, but still be aware of what happens with it. Blind doesn't mean your eyes get plucked out. You do want the best you have to run things for you in your absence.

Biden claims he knows nothing about any dealings his son had, even though hard evidence proves otherwise. Yet, you believe the most pejorative reports from proven liars. Give Trump that same trust. Of all the politicians who ever made promises as a candidate, name anyone who has followed through as well as Trump has? He has earned our trust.

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« Reply #148 on: October 26, 2020, 09:45:46 AM »
Congratulations! You've identified why Trump can't effectively put his companies into a blind trust. Which would be why he didn't even try. Not that he's done even the minimal divestment he claimed.

For the record, I don't hold the lack of a blind trust against Trump (though if he lied about doing it that's another thing), since it was patently obvious he couldn't effective put his assets into a blind trust before he was elected.

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« Reply #149 on: October 26, 2020, 09:59:33 AM »
Again it is not what he did it is that he lied about it.