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« Reply #1550 on: July 24, 2021, 09:27:01 PM »
Trump keeps asking his supporters for money to fight the steal.  But is he spending that money on audits or recounts or lawsuits?

Does not look like it.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trumps-pac-spent-no-money-103019150.html


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« Reply #1551 on: July 28, 2021, 02:05:54 PM »
Ok the AZ Senate audit liaison  is stepping down since the auditors will not let him in the building any more.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/arizona-senate-audit-liaison-step-150400724.html

So an audit that was supposed to be done in May is still going on at the end of July with no end in sight.  I wonder why it is taking so long to find the obvious fraud that the Repuclicans claim is there. 

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« Reply #1552 on: July 28, 2021, 03:19:16 PM »
Ok the AZ Senate audit liaison  is stepping down since the auditors will not let him in the building any more.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/arizona-senate-audit-liaison-step-150400724.html

So an audit that was supposed to be done in May is still going on at the end of July with no end in sight.  I wonder why it is taking so long to find the obvious fraud that the Repuclicans claim is there.

You wonder why the audit is taking so long when the auditors are physically prevented from conducting it? REALLY? My God.


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« Reply #1553 on: July 28, 2021, 03:37:45 PM »
They have not been prevented. They are not letting in the GOP  guy who is supposed to be checking up on them from the Senate.

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« Reply #1554 on: July 29, 2021, 02:21:10 PM »
Cyber Ninjas has finally released a lilst of their donors.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/maricopa-election-audit-donor-list-025800199.html

2 groups financed almost 75% of the audit.  The State itself only financed 2-1/2%.

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« Reply #1555 on: August 04, 2021, 12:58:43 PM »
Well the lawyers who promoted some of the false claims that the election was stolen have been punished.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/lawyers-sanctioned-over-fantastical-suit-160910315.html

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« Reply #1556 on: August 04, 2021, 03:24:08 PM »
Ok the AZ Senate audit liaison  is stepping down since the auditors will not let him in the building any more.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/arizona-senate-audit-liaison-step-150400724.html

So an audit that was supposed to be done in May is still going on at the end of July with no end in sight.  I wonder why it is taking so long to find the obvious fraud that the Repuclicans claim is there.

You wonder why the audit is taking so long when the auditors are physically prevented from conducting it? REALLY? My God.

See m^2's post above. You should really work on your reading comprehension. The auditors are prohibiting the people "who hired" them from observing the audit process. I think its safe to say any results they come up with are completely bogus. The county officials counted all the original ballots on camera why do the auditors need to prohibit the Republican legislators representative from observing their process?

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« Reply #1557 on: August 04, 2021, 03:33:56 PM »
Why is it taking so long?  Several options.

1: They have not found anything and are desperate to justify the audit.  You know they are never going to say it was a clean election, so they have to try and find something somewhere.

2. Now that we know how much money was donated for the audit, they are just working until all that money is spent.

3. They are sure if they just keep going deeper they will find something, like the Captain from the Caine Mutiny. They even want to go door to door to ask people who they voted for to verity the totals.

4. They are manufacturing bogus results to justify their audit. Audit the audit.

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« Reply #1558 on: August 04, 2021, 04:36:09 PM »
We know that they didn't find anything.  As Electoral Vote.com put it:

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Clearly, Cyber Ninjas' "audit" of the 2020 Maricopa County presidential ballots is not going well. And so, the "auditors" have latched onto a new red herring: the routers that were in use in Maricopa on Election Day. Cyber Ninjas and its allies say that if only those routers could be examined, then proof would be found that the machines made by Dominion Voting Systems were connected to the Internet, and thus allowed votes to be changed remotely from Donald Trump to Joe Biden. The careful reader will notice that if Cyber Ninjas had found what they claimed they would find in the paper ballots, there would be no need to start kvetching about routers.

Of course, I don't quite understand what they hope to prove with the routers.  If the count of the paper ballots was very close to the electronic count, then what votes did the routers change?  :o  Did they change the same amount of Biden votes to Trump as Trump votes to Biden, just to confuse everyone?  ;D  What a nefarious plot that would be!  ;D

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« Reply #1559 on: August 05, 2021, 04:31:35 PM »
The lawyers who pushed the Big Lie keep loosing and getting punished.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/federal-judge-sanctions-lawyers-brought-162535750.html

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« Reply #1560 on: August 08, 2021, 09:31:29 PM »
So Trump's campaign is refunding people they basically ripped off.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-campaign-refunds-millions-donors-235042836.html

Almost $140 million refunded in 1-1/2 years. The victims of the grift fight back.

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« Reply #1561 on: August 09, 2021, 01:55:59 PM »
Audits are hard when the auditors are constrained in their performance. But the audits do have results,  Anyone notice that there is video evidence that election officials changed ballots from Trump to Biden? https://conservativebrief.com/later-altered-47924/?utm_source=CB&utm_medium=PP

The proof is available, but few media will look at it. Fewer online anti-audit posters will bother.

With the internet firmly in the hands of Democrat activists, searches lean only to dead ends, when the info is really there. I doubt many here took the time to find any eyewitness affidavits and read them. Of course, if any did, they were first looking to challenge them rather than accept them.

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« Reply #1562 on: August 09, 2021, 02:03:39 PM »
First two sentences:

New records obtained by Just the News allegedly show that Georgia ballots rejected by Dominion voting machines were later altered during the adjudication process.

The report alleges that ballots marked in the 2020 presidential election for Donald Trump were awarded to Joe Biden by a panel of humans during adjudication.

They use the word alleged twice. Does not seem like proof.

Audits are not hard unless you are looking for something that does not exist. The Stop the Steal side keeps saying "Prove it didn't happen" when they should be proving it did happen.


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« Reply #1563 on: August 09, 2021, 02:09:29 PM »
Audits are hard when the auditors are constrained in their performance. But the audits do have results,  Anyone notice that there is video evidence that election officials changed ballots from Trump to Biden? https://conservativebrief.com/later-altered-47924/?utm_source=CB&utm_medium=PP

The proof is available, but few media will look at it. Fewer online anti-audit posters will bother.
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I followed your link. There is no video evidence I saw there. Just a claim that some votes that were rejected by voting machines were deemed to be votes for Biden by a group of adjudicators. It was also about Georgia and not Arizona.

I saw no evidence that any of the votes were changed from Trump to Biden.

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« Reply #1564 on: August 09, 2021, 03:53:39 PM »
Same here.  The "Images can be seen here" link only went to an Adjudication Log, which just listed ballots that were questioned.

Perhaps you could link directly to the video?  Or quote the relevant paragraph?

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« Reply #1565 on: August 10, 2021, 03:25:13 PM »
Rudy will send you a shout out for $199.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/rudy-giuliani-joins-cameo-asks-161752594.html

I wonder how long Rudy could defend himself if Trump just paid the legal fees he ows Rudy?

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« Reply #1566 on: August 10, 2021, 04:43:12 PM »
I wonder how long Rudy could defend himself if Trump just paid the legal fees he ows Rudy?

That reminds me of a Simpson Episode - Bill Gates offers to 'buy out' Homer's internet/software company - and a bunch of henchmen (computer nerds) come in and destroy the place (breaking his pencils, knocking things on the floor etc') and the Gates character says "Oh, I didn't get rich by writing a lot of checks".


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H27rfr59RiE

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« Reply #1567 on: August 10, 2021, 06:15:54 PM »
OAN mathamatical genius lied about his background and is a swing set installer.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/dominion-says-oans-expert-mathematician-202718829.html


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« Reply #1570 on: August 13, 2021, 07:34:38 AM »
Well it is Aug 13 and the Cyber Symposium is over. I have been checking the news and I don't see anything about Trump heading to the White House to take back over.  Also no word from the Supreme Court about reinstating Trump.  And Biden and Harris are still listed as President and VP.  Did I not get the memo? Wasn't today the day? My Buddy (TM) Mike L said it would be today.

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« Reply #1571 on: August 13, 2021, 10:54:10 AM »
With the internet firmly in the hands of Democrat activists, searches lean only to dead ends, when the info is really there. I doubt many here took the time to find any eyewitness affidavits and read them. Of course, if any did, they were first looking to challenge them rather than accept them.

And you never take the time to actually post what affidavits you are talking about or what they allege.

If all the searches are dead ends how do you know the information is really there? Why is Fox news unable to get their hands on all this info? Why aren't Trump's lawyers who are getting sanctioned and disbarred able to present this info in their defense? Maybe this information doesn't really exist and the people who are telling you it does are lying to you.

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« Reply #1572 on: August 13, 2021, 10:07:20 PM »
10PM? Do you know where your ex President is?  Not in the White House is my guess.

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« Reply #1573 on: August 18, 2021, 09:22:21 AM »
So in a county in CO a Republican County Clerk and two other people entered a secure area after hours and made copies of the hard drives there, in violation of law and then shared the info on them on line.

Now the County has to get all new machines.

The Clerk is a Trump supporter.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/election-controversy-colorados-mesa-county-122010642.html

More signs that for Trump followers the ends justify the means, even if the ends do not show what they want.

The Rule of Law only applies to others, not Trump supporters.

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« Reply #1574 on: August 18, 2021, 03:59:50 PM »
So we continue to see why gop voters are concerned about voting for dead people. Because they are doing it.

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/another-gop-voter-caught-casting-ballot-dead-relative-n1276965

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« Reply #1575 on: August 20, 2021, 06:49:51 AM »
Well Boebert was caught not reporting her husbands "consulting" work for energy companies. To the tune of almost 1 Million dollars over 2 years.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/rep-lauren-boebert-failed-disclose-200942251.html

No conflict of interest there.

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« Reply #1576 on: August 20, 2021, 02:28:10 PM »
And a second court has ordered Cyber Ninjas to release all their records, including emails, related to the Arizona audit.

You just know that Dominion and Smartmatic lawyers will be going over those records with a fine-toothed comb for any mention of those companies.  ;D

Not to mention the point-by-point comparison of Cyber Ninjas audit with a real audit, which some have all ready released the outlines of.

It's gonna be fun.  ;D

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« Reply #1577 on: August 24, 2021, 02:42:13 PM »
So the AZ audit report which was due this week is being postponed due to the Cyber Ninjas getting Covid and so bad that no one at the company can publish the report.  And I thought Ninjas were so sneaky that even virus's could not find them. That must have been pirates.

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« Reply #1578 on: August 24, 2021, 07:20:23 PM »
That'll make for some fresh conspiracies. Since covid isn't real Soros and the Clintons must have had them killed to suppress the report that never gets finished and released because everyone is dead.

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« Reply #1579 on: August 24, 2021, 09:44:37 PM »
https://www.newsweek.com/california-police-find-300-recall-election-ballots-suspect-vehicle-gavin-newsom-1622339

Not relevant to the previous election, but this is happening in the current recall election for California's Governor.

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« Reply #1580 on: August 24, 2021, 10:09:22 PM »
Audits are hard when the auditors are constrained in their performance.
Even harder to get audit results when what you're carrying out is plainly not remotely an audit, but a "there must be a pony in here someplace, or failing which I can surely sculpt one from all this horsepoop" exercise.

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With the internet firmly in the hands of Democrat activists, searches lean only to dead ends, when the info is really there.
Interesting claim.  With great personal effort and self-sacrifice I'll skip over the implied conflation or confusion between "the internet" and "the web", and "the web" and "web searches", and ask whether you can remotely stand even a single instance of that being the case?  A document -- that you know to exist and can verify the existence of -- and a reasonable search term that fails to find it in all major search engines should suffice to get past the first Gate of Truth.

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« Reply #1581 on: August 25, 2021, 08:30:38 AM »
https://www.newsweek.com/california-police-find-300-recall-election-ballots-suspect-vehicle-gavin-newsom-1622339

Not relevant to the previous election, but this is happening in the current recall election for California's Governor.

So looks like an identify thief stole mail (presumably for the purposes of identity theft) and that mail contained ballots.

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« Reply #1582 on: August 25, 2021, 08:41:04 AM »
Yeah reading the story makes calling this election fraud a bit of a stretch.

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« Reply #1583 on: August 25, 2021, 11:47:26 AM »
Even if he had stolen the mail for election fraud, how could he have forged the 300 signatures?  ;)

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« Reply #1584 on: August 25, 2021, 12:39:17 PM »
Well the voter fraud case in Florida has had its first guilty plea.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/candidate-pleads-guilty-alleged-florida-164408055.html

For those not in the know some Republicans ran a shadow candidate as a Independent with the exact same last name as the incumbent Democrat candidate, hoping to siphon off votes from the real candidate and help the Republican win.

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« Reply #1585 on: August 25, 2021, 01:31:18 PM »
More law breaking by conservative lobbying groups giving out false info to suppress the black vote in 2020.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/conservative-hoaxers-face-5-1m-152755529.html

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« Reply #1586 on: August 25, 2021, 03:35:01 PM »
More law breaking by conservative lobbying groups giving out false info to suppress the black vote in 2020.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/conservative-hoaxers-face-5-1m-152755529.html

How do you suppose they thought they would get away with that one? You're going to robocall people and nobody will notice or know how to report it?

Breitbart and their readers don't seem to care about this one. Weird.

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« Reply #1587 on: August 25, 2021, 08:24:28 PM »
Not a good day for "Kraken" Sydney Powell or Lin Wood or Rudy G.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/judge-sanctions-sidney-powell-other-220308680.html

It looks like Rudy may not be the only lawyer to loose his license. And pay court costs and other fees. And maybe more. I wonder if Trump will help them out?  I mean he is sitting on close to $100 million raised for just this purpose (law suits fighting the election results). Why wouldn't he spend that money on this?  Oh yeah, he does not care about them. They are useful idiots who he will kick to the curb as soon as they are not useful to him anymore and that point is fast approaching.

 

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« Reply #1588 on: August 25, 2021, 08:33:56 PM »
Relocate and venue-shop to the Florida bar?  Also be a short commute for pleading to Trump for him to pay his legal bills.  Or suing him to do so, if they eventually decide to bite the hand that promised to feed.

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« Reply #1589 on: August 25, 2021, 10:43:18 PM »

It looks like Rudy may not be the only lawyer to loose his license. And pay court costs and other fees. And maybe more.

My favorite part is the 12 legal CE hours they were ordered to take. 

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« Reply #1590 on: August 25, 2021, 11:52:28 PM »
A fortnight's remedial after-class detention for those retroactively flunking law-school basics.

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« Reply #1591 on: August 26, 2021, 07:47:56 AM »
I want to ask the Trump supporters on the site a question.  Why isn't Trump spending the money he raised to fight the election results on fights against the election results?  Please give me an example of where Trump funded one of these recounts/court cases?  I mean he has not paid Rudy G for his legal work yet.  As far as we can tell he did not donate any money to the AZ recount/audit?  He has not offered to pay the feess/costs that Powell/Wood are going to have to pay for their friviolous suit in MI.

What is he doing with the money he raised to fight the results? Where is it going?  Other than to his own pocket?

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« Reply #1592 on: August 26, 2021, 08:33:22 AM »
What is he doing with the money he raised to fight the results? Where is it going?  Other than to his own pocket?

I hope he uses it to start up a Trump video media venture.  Start with a Trump after lunch show where he sits down and rants with some guest.  Move on to a Saturday morning cartoon featuring Trump and his loyal sycophants as superheroes.  Etc.  All the loyal Trumpist favorites.  He'll make a *censored* ton of money.  Probably the only business venture he will ever be successful at. 

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« Reply #1593 on: August 26, 2021, 01:19:55 PM »
What is he doing with the money he raised to fight the results? Where is it going?  Other than to his own pocket?
Bonus question:  is this even legal?  And if not, is there any prospect of him facing any consequences for it?

Or is this a little like, to adapt the old saw about the amount of money people owe to the bank they don't have, one legal issue, you have a problem;  a thousand legal issues, the legal system has a problem.

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« Reply #1594 on: August 26, 2021, 01:30:27 PM »
They could try and get him on fraud if he actually spent any of it on other ideas, but I think the actual fund is set up so he can just siphon the money to his re-election campaign or pay for trips and other expenses with their money, not his.  If he gets taken to court then he has the fund pay out some little bit to some audit and claims persecution. 

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« Reply #1595 on: August 26, 2021, 02:00:29 PM »

Bonus question:  is this even legal?  And if not, is there any prospect of him facing any consequences for it?


Perfectly legal.  When the brave proles opened their wrists to drip their blood into the maw of the great Cheetoh Justice Machine the small print clearly stated that the money was going to whatever their Chatte Grabbing Lord Protector of America wanted it to go to. 

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The fine print at the bottom of some emails disclosed that large portions of the donations would go to Trump’s leadership PAC, Save America, which was created in the days after the election. Unlike contributions to a regular PAC, money in leadership PACs can be used “to fund basically anything,” explains the Washington Post’s Philip Bump.

“The money in the Save America PAC, unlike money contributed to a standard campaign committee, can be used to benefit Trump in innumerable ways,” wrote Bump. “Memberships to golf clubs. Travel. Rallies. Even payments directly to Trump himself, as long as he declares it income.”

And people think he's not smart.  He's the greatest liar and conman in American history.  He is a shoe-in for Ocean's 14. 

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« Reply #1596 on: August 26, 2021, 02:02:25 PM »
Yeah, I realize there's some Lionel-Hutz-grade small print on the terms of the donations.  "TRUMP LEGAL DEFENCE FUND(*)   (((( (*) Notalegaldefencefund.  Moneymaybeusedtopayoffpornstars.  Dictatorchicdecorindluded.  Notermsandconditionsapply. ))))"

But in this little part of the world, while I'm not sure it's quite fraud -- the bar for that seems to be unintuitively high everywhere -- it sounds awfully close to the wind on false advertising.  Does it pass the "idiot in a rush" test to solicit money for legal fees, then divert it into a slush fund?

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« Reply #1597 on: August 26, 2021, 02:14:07 PM »
I want to ask the Trump supporters on the site a question.  Why isn't Trump spending the money he raised to fight the election results on fights against the election results?

I think the problem is that Trump supporters are a cynical lot, and don't expect politicians to be honest. :(

So when Trump takes money to fight the election results and doesn't use it for that purpose, they just say to themselves, "Oh, well, all politicians do such things.  So what if Trump does it, too?  You can't expect them to tell the truth or do what they say they will."

Of course, if a Democrat did something like that, they'd be all over him, complaining about what a liar the guy is.  They'd also use it to paint Democrats as hypocrites.  "You complain about Trump not spending the money the way he promised, but you're guy did it, too!  And you let him get away with it!  So you can't complain about Trump!!"  ;D

After four years of lies and corruption, you know that Trump supporters simply don't care what Trump does.  A Trump ambassador telling Ukraine that they won't get their war funds unless they announce an investigation about Hunter Biden?  So what?  Every President uses his office to help himself get re-elected.

Paying off a woman he had sex with so she would keep her mouth shut?  So what?  Democrats do that all the time, and they don't get punished for it.

Saying an election was stolen from him and inciting a crowd to attack the Capitol?  So what?  Democrats say stuff that incites crowds, too, and they sometimes riot.  Democrats are never held accountable for that; why should Trump be held accountable?

No matter what Trump did and does, Democrats and Liberals are still worse, and have done or would do worse.  So, so what if Trump takes their money and uses it for something else?  At least it wasn't a Democrat who did it to them.

Come on, Trump supporters?  Am I right, or what? :)

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« Reply #1598 on: August 26, 2021, 02:41:39 PM »
Pretty much what I put in my sealed-envelope predictions for what they might say.  To be prefixed with "I'm not a Trump supporter, but" if given by the Trump-support-adjacent.

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« Reply #1599 on: September 01, 2021, 08:53:14 AM »
Well  Ron Johnson of Wisconsin says Trump lost because Republican voters did not vote for Trump.

https://currently.att.yahoo.com/att/sen-ron-johnson-seen-video-063014303.html?.tsrc=daily_mail&uh_test=1_11

You know, that is not what you would call fraud. That is what you would call loosing.