Election Results

[msquared]

Ok Mike Lindell claimed that votes in all of Idaho's 44 counties had votes moved electronically from Trump to Biden.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/mypillow-guy-thinks-idaho-votes-163836299.html

However, at least 7 of the counties do not use any electronic voting measures at all. They are completely done by hand. Lindell claims in one county Biden should only have gotten 130 votes instead of the 188 reported. So the SOS sent someone to count the hand ballots and found the total to be 188. No electronic interference possible since it was all done by hand.

Still looking forward to Thanksgiving.

[msquared]

Poor Sydney. Everyone knows Trump does not like a loser, so he is keeping her away.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/sidney-powell-donald-trumps-no-103803790.html

[msquared]

Lynn Wood, one of Trumps staunchest Big Lie supporters thinks no planes hit the Twin Towers, the Pentagon or crashed in PA on 9/11.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/lin-wood-claims-no-plane-202900650.html

I watched on live TV as the second plane hit the second tower.  He has gone off the deep end.

[NobleHunter]

Wow. A no-planer. That's screwy even for 9-11 truthers.

[Wayward Son]

Meanwhile, Trump's rally in Georgia may have given prosecutors there new leads for charging him with election fraud.

The Brookings Institution think tank on Monday updated its analysis of Trump’s post-election conduct to include his remarks at the Sept. 25 rally in Perry, when he repeatedly blasted Gov. Brian Kemp for refusing to reverse his defeat.

The report, authored by seven legal analysts, highlights that Trump twice said he asked the Republican governor to call a “special election” to decertify his narrow defeat to President Joe Biden in Georgia.

“I said, ‘Brian, listen, you have a big election integrity problem in Georgia. I hope you can help us out and call a special election and let’s get to the bottom of it for the good of the country,’” Trump said at the rally, recounting his effort to subvert the election results.

Trump has long assailed Kemp for refusing to call a special legislative session, but the report’s authors say the remarks specifically calling for a “special election” are a new angle for investigators, one that echoes comments from advisers promoting the idea that he could have declared martial law to force states to hold new elections.

“That’s very important for the prosecution. Now they have an additional matter to investigate, which is exactly what the full scope of Trump’s attempt at election fraud and how outrageous was it,” said Norman Eisen, who was President Barack Obama’s ethics czar before becoming a special counsel to House Democrats during Trump’s first impeachment trial.

“If he’s prosecuted, I’d be very surprised if that tape of him talking about the Kemp conversation does not end up being played at trial,” Eisen added.

The report concludes that Trump’s attempts to interfere with Georgia’s result leaves him at “substantial risk of possible state charges.” It comes as the Fulton County district attorney’s office continues its 7-month-old criminal probe of Trump’s conduct in Georgia.

Overall, the report said, the charges could include criminal solicitation to commit election fraud, intentional interference with performance of election duties, conspiracy to commit election fraud, racketeering and violations of more than a dozen other state statutes.

[Seriati]

Not really election related but Trump just lost again on enforcing his staffers vague NDA's.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trumps-failed-attempt-enforce-omarosas-131821110.html

Now he has to pay her legal fee's and the other staffers can come out of the dark. 

For someone who says he only hires the best he sure seems to say they were all a bunch of loosers after the stop working for him and say how bad he was.

Well I'm assuming that this is going to be an "only applies to Trump" type of decision.  The Arbiter declared as "too vague" the following definition of confidential information:  "all information (whether or not embodied in any media) of a private, proprietary or confidential nature or that Mr. Trump insists remain private or confidential..."

Just curious are you incapable of determining the meaning of that definition?  They actually went on in the contract to spell out dozens of specific examples.  There's no way that is vague.

That part is wrongly decided.

However, the second part is not wrongly decided.  The scope is too broad to be legitimate.  The inclusion of anything "Mr. Trump insists" is much too broad.  If it had been, anything he insists in advance, then maybe.  But even still the proper solution would have been to cut the portion that was solely in Mr. Trump's discretion, as deciding that "private, proprietary or confidential nature" is too vague literally puts at risk every NDA ever drafted and enforced under NY law.  I can say that ruling is enough that I won't use NY law for an NDA ever again.

But without the wrongly decided part he'd have to give Trump a partial win.

[msquared]

More evidence that Trump tried to use the Justice Dept as his personal tool to over turn the election.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/report-cites-details-trump-pressure-120632391.html

[Wayward Son]

Meanwhile, the House Oversight and Reform Committee is holding a hearing Thursday about the Arizona audit.  And guess who won't be showing up testify?

Doug Logan, CEO of Cyber Ninjas, who also won't provide the committee with documents about the audit, nor surrender documents and communications about the audit to the Arizona courts.

There is nothing like transparency in an election audit.  And this audit certainly has nothing like transparency...

[msquared]

An interesting take on Republicans and RINO's.  I agree with his take.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/please-authoritative-definition-rino-meaning-100000147.html

[Wayward Son]

And Trump has told his former aides not to comply with Congressional subpoenas. 

What is it called when you tell a witness not to testify?  Is it the same term as when you tell a witness not to testify in court? 

[TheDeamon]

Wow. A no-planer. That's screwy even for 9-11 truthers.

I've heard the claim in relation to the Pentagon ages ago, but the WTC themselves is new to me.

[wmLambert]

AZ Audit Could Not Find the Identity of 86,391 Voters – They Don’t Appear to Exist and 73.8% Are Democrat or No Party Affiliation

There is plenty of "there" there regardless of the Left-leaning Biden apologists here in this forum.

The AZ audit found 698,229 ballots with issues. Biden won by 10.547 votes.

[wmLambert]

From the Conservative Brief: "A top Democrat on the Senate Judiciary Committee says a preliminary investigation does not show that then-President Donald Trump was the mastermind of a “scheme” to get his Justice Department to work on overturning the results of the 2020 election.

Rhode Island Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse, a member of the committee, told Chuck Todd, host of NBC’s “Meet the Press” on Sunday, that according to an interim report released by the panel last week regarding allegations involving the former president, so far nothing has been found to indicate any nefarious plots directed by Trump."

[wmLambert]

More legal action:

Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger's office told Just the News that his office had also opened an inquiry into the disclosure by Fulton County officials but believed it was time for federal prosecutors to review chronic election irregularities inside the state's largest county, which includes the city of Atlanta.

"After 20 years of documented failure in Fulton County elections, Georgians are tired of waiting to see what the next embarrassing revelation will be," Raffensperger said in a statement. "The Department of Justice needs to take a long look at what Fulton County is doing and how their leadership disenfranchises Fulton voters through incompetence and malfeasance."

He added, "The voters of Georgia are sick of Fulton County's failures."

State officials told Just the News that Fulton County's elections chief fired two workers who were seen shredding the voter applications on Friday and then disclosed the problem to Raffensperger's office earlier Monday.

Georgia law requires election officials to preserve all documents related to primary or general elections for 24 months after the election. The shredded documents are believed to be voter applications to vote in this fall's local elections in Fulton County, officials said.

In addition, U.S. Attorney General Merrick Garland recently warned all voting jurisdictions nationwide, including those conducting audits into the November 2020 vote, that destruction of election evidence related to federal officeholder elections could also violate federal laws.

"The Civil Rights Act of 1960, now codified at 52 U.S.C. §§ 20701-20706, governs certain '[f]ederal election records,'" Garland wrote this summer. "Section 301 of the Act requires state and local election officials to 'retain and preserve' all records relating to any 'act requisite to voting' for twenty-two months after the conduct of 'any general, special, or primary election' at which citizens vote for 'President, Vice President, presidential elector, Member of the Senate, [or] Member of the House of Representatives,' 52 U.S.C. §20701. The materials covered by Section 301 extend beyond 'papers' to include other 'records.'"

[kidv]

From the Conservative Brief: "A top Democrat on the Senate Judiciary Committee says a preliminary investigation does not show that then-President Donald Trump was the mastermind of a “scheme” to get his Justice Department to work on overturning the results of the 2020 election.

Rhode Island Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse, a member of the committee, told Chuck Todd, host of NBC’s “Meet the Press” on Sunday, that according to an interim report released by the panel last week regarding allegations involving the former president, so far nothing has been found to indicate any nefarious plots directed by Trump."

"It describes how Trump considered ousting then-acting Attorney General Jeffrey Rosen with then-acting Assistant Attorney General Jeffrey Clark, who promised to pursue his baseless voter fraud claim. Rosen and his team refused to support the scheme and Trump's White House Counsel Pat Cipollone threatened to quit early January, according to the report.

"We have a very complete picture of the extent to which Trump was personally involved in this," Whitehouse said of the eight-month investigation. "This is a question in which you can actually connect the president of the United States to the scheme."

"The second thing that we know is that it focused very heavily on Georgia. So, that relates and feathers into the Georgia prosecution that's underway, I should say the investigation that's underway, down in Fulton County," he added."
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/georgia-ripe-area-for-new-doj-probe-on-trump-effort-to-overturn-election-sen-whitehouse/ar-AAPlvFs (bold added)


This Washington Examiner piece appears to be specifically what WmLambert is citing and distorting:

"Whitehouse told host Chuck Todd that investigators have "a very complete picture of the extent to which Trump was personally involved in this," and he noted Trump's overtures to Georgia officials about the election results is the focus of a separate investigation looking into whether the former president and his allies broke state laws.

But the Rhode Island Democrat said the question of who actually masterminded the DOJ "scheme" remains unclear, and he pondered how it was funded.

"What we don't know is who was really behind this," Whitehouse said. "The text of the transcript and the body English of the witnesses suggests that they had very little regard for this character Jeffrey Clark, who was nominally going to be the new attorney general. They doubted his qualifications to even have that role."

"So, it's a possibility, I suppose, that he [Trump] saw this moment and grabbed it, but it's an equally real possibility that he was a cog in a larger machine, and we've got a lot of work to do to figure out how that machine ran through this period, who was behind it, where the money came from, and what's been going on," [Whitehouse] added.

Todd pressed this point, asking, "And you think it's somebody other than Donald Trump? I mean — you know, when I hear that, you're essentially saying you believe there's somebody else involved, somebody else was pulling the strings. Who could that be besides Donald Trump?""

https://news.yahoo.com/whitehouse-admits-trump-may-not-010600474.html (posting article by Washington Examiner)

[rightleft22]

Blind Loyalty is blind. Context. truth, facts does not matter.
The art of the deal, pick out what you want and already 'know' and ignore the rest.  All fair in greed and war... until the snake you let in bites you

[wmLambert]

"It describes how Trump considered ousting then-acting Attorney General Jeffrey Rosen with then-acting Assistant Attorney General Jeffrey Clark, who promised to pursue his baseless voter fraud claim.

Baseless? We now know there was proven voter fraud.

[wmLambert]

Blind Loyalty is blind. Context. truth, facts does not matter.
The art of the deal, pick out what you want and already 'know' and ignore the rest.  All fair in greed and war... until the snake you let in bites you

What is most important here is that you chose to ignore the information that disproves your claim that everything was done correctly, and that there was no instance where the numbers added up to a stolen election for Biden. You shouldn't dismiss facts with conjecture - especially when you are proven wrong.

[wmLambert]

What is very evident, is that the election was not done transparently or verifiably. The Democrats should move to support all actions to improve election reliability. It is informative how their main goal is to protest anything that makes it hard to cheat.

[yossarian22c]

"It describes how Trump considered ousting then-acting Attorney General Jeffrey Rosen with then-acting Assistant Attorney General Jeffrey Clark, who promised to pursue his baseless voter fraud claim.

Baseless? We now know there was proven voter fraud.

Where? Who? How?

Or are you referring to the couple republicans found guilty of double voting.

[rightleft22]

What is most important here is that you chose to ignore the information that disproves your claim that everything was done correctly, and that there was no instance where the numbers added up to a stolen election for Biden. You shouldn't dismiss facts with conjecture - especially when you are proven wrong.

Thanks you validated my point.

[Wayward Son]

AZ Audit Could Not Find the Identity of 86,391 Voters – They Don’t Appear to Exist and 73.8% Are Democrat or No Party Affiliation

There is plenty of "there" there regardless of the Left-leaning Biden apologists here in this forum.

The AZ audit found 698,229 ballots with issues. Biden won by 10.547 votes.

I'll bet you $10 to your favorite charity that this claim is full of sh*t like most of your other claims, and that this "audit" did not show that  86,391 voters don't exist and yet voted in Arizona.  Or don't you have the guts to back up your beliefs with a bit of pocket change? 

Why do you even listen to these cretins?  You really believe that the Arizona election officials are so stupid or corrupt or incompetent that they would miss 86,391 bogus votes?  That the checks every state has in place with registration and verification can be easily circumvented and are useless?

Wake up, man!  You're being taken.  They are making you a fool, telling you obvious lies, and you're swallowing them hook, line and sinker.  What are you getting out of this?  It's certainly not a reputation as a smart guy who knows stuff other people don't.  You are making yourself look like a dupe who will believe anything some con man will tell him, so long as it agrees with what you'd like to be true.  Have you no self-respect?  Have you integrity?  Have you no shame?

That is complete and utter BS.  I'll bet ($10) that if you did a 30 second search you'd find out that what you read was a lie.  Why don't you do that?  Why don't you at least look to see if these outrageous claims just might be misrepresented, and someone just might be feeding you line?  Why do you want to believe a lie so much that you will pass on lies like that one??

It frustrating.  Conservatives who have prided themselves on their intelligence falling for crap like that.  It was funny for a while, but after four years of listening to a President that fell for crap that like, and then started making his own crap ("I won the election"), it has gotten downright dangerous.  Guys like you are liable to start a revolution come 2024 because you won't check or question or think about what you believe.  You just follow anything that happens to agree with your hopes and prejudices. 

Use some of that skepticism you use on Liberals and Democrats and apply it to your own side.  You'll find out that a lot of what you've been told is pure sh*t.  Because this country can't survive with a big chunk of it's people believing stuff that just ain't true.  And who are willing to fight and die for lies.

Because you can't run a country on lies for long.

[TheDrake]

Wow. Lamberts reality is now so disconnected I can no longer find his sources. That number 698,229 ballots is so specific that I was certain I would find the crazy people behind it. I'm not sure what Patriot dark web site it comes from, or if the numbers are purely made up in one of his own fever dreams.

[jc44]

After reading wmLamberts message, my first thought was "so of that 73% how many are no-party?", which he hadn't broken out, so I went and looked for the actual report.. The only report I could find was the one on Maricopa county which is published on the AZ senate republican website (https://www.azsenaterepublicans.com/cyber-ninjas-report).  Vol III gives the actual numbers which unsurprisingly assign "fraud" in mail-in ballots generally to democrats (by a few %), but also assigns "fraud" in in-person ballots to republicans (in dead people voting: republicans 50%, democrat 30%, 20% other). So if read in full its a mixed bag and I don't have the experience to critique it though there are plenty of websites that have or have cherry-picked parts of it out there.

Aren't Cyber Ninjas meant to have done a statewide audit?  Why can't I find a report for that?

[msquared]

No they only did Maricopa County since that is the largest county and it voted for Biden.  Most of the audits across the country have been in blue counties in red states. They are trying to find Democratic fraud.

[wmLambert]

What is most important here is that you chose to ignore the information that disproves your claim that everything was done correctly, and that there was no instance where the numbers added up to a stolen election for Biden. You shouldn't dismiss facts with conjecture - especially when you are proven wrong.

Thanks you validated my point.

No you actually validated my point. The Georgia audit proved voter fraud beyond a doubt. The issue is not the fraud, but the standing of anyone asking about it.

The Fulton County Superior Court refused to hear the results of the audit. It cited: “…no single voter is specifically disadvantaged if a vote is counted improperly, even if the error might have a mathematical impact on the final tally and thus on the proportional effect of every vote.” https://www.scribd.com/document/532146174/Fulton-County-Audit-Ruling-to-Dismiss-Case#from_embed

The alleged grievance was considered “only” a generalized grievance so individuals can not have standing to correct the voter abuse..

How else are voters granted state constitutional equal protection due process claims?

If only the government has the ability to represent generalized citizenry, how does one sue the government for redress?

[wmLambert]

AZ Audit Could Not Find the Identity of 86,391 Voters – They Don’t Appear to Exist and 73.8% Are Democrat or No Party Affiliation

There is plenty of "there" there regardless of the Left-leaning Biden apologists here in this forum.

The AZ audit found 698,229 ballots with issues. Biden won by 10.547 votes.

I'll bet you $10 to your favorite charity that this claim is full of sh*t like most of your other claims, and that this "audit" did not show that  86,391 voters don't exist and yet voted in Arizona.  Or don't you have the guts to back up your beliefs with a bit of pocket change? 

Why do you even listen to these cretins?  You really believe that the Arizona election officials are so stupid or corrupt or incompetent that they would miss 86,391 bogus votes?  That the checks every state has in place with registration and verification can be easily circumvented and are useless?...

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/10/breaking-arizona-attorney-general-fires-off-letter-secretary-state-demands-documents-based-forensic-audit-results/

The Audit Documented:
255,326 Not Located on EV33 File
86,391 Ballots Related Invisible Voters
57,734 Cyber Ninjas Ballot Issues
17,126 Duplicated Ballot Envelopes
9,589 More Ballots than Envelopes
2,580 Signature Issues on Envelopes
         428,746 Sum of Ballots with Issues

The Canvas documented:
173,104 Estimated Fraudulent Ballots
96,389 Estimated Ballots Not Counted
          269,493 Sum of Ballot Issues fro0m Canvas

          698,239 Total Ballots with Issues

10,547 Biden Margin Awarded

Please send $10 to the Salvation Army, the only charity I know that gets 100% of donations to the people in need.

[LetterRip]

Apparently the site you are referencing is using a fraudulent version of the Cyber Ninja's report,

A doctored version of Cyber Ninjas' draft report on the 2020 election contains false information, according to CEO Doug Logan.

Logan, who led the ballot review for Arizona Senate Republicans, says he never recommended that Maricopa County's 2020 election be decertified, which is included in an edited version of Logan's report posted on far-right media outlet The Gateway Pundit.

The edited version claims that "57,734 ballots with serious issues were identified in the audit" and, therefore, "the election should not be certified, and the reported results are not reliable."

The real results of Logan's review did not claim an issue with that number of ballots, and did not show evidence of fraud. The hand count of ballots affirmed President Joe Biden's win in the county.

[...]

Logan told The Arizona Republic on Monday that the version of the report posted on the far-right media website "is not one I ever wrote, nor was it ever part of our drafts reviewed with the Senate."

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/elections/2021/09/28/doctored-audit-report-2020-maricopa-county-election-contains-false-information-cyber-ninjas-ceo-says/5893164001/

[rightleft22]

Didn't take much checking to show that The Gateway Pundit is not a reliable source.  Lots of red flags

Tell me why I should trust that "news media" site? And or why you do... besides that  it confirms "information" you already "know" and want/need to be true.

[LetterRip]

For those interested, here are the 'reports',

https://www.azsenaterepublicans.com/cyber-ninjas-report

Section I is the 'Executive Summary'
Section II is methodology
Section III is the detailed findings

Haven't read them completely yet, and the search functionality seems to be partially broken (not all words, numbers, etc. are indexed).

[TheDrake]

So meticulous they couldn't even spell "tens" correctly.

These issues are not likely mutually exclusive but give a very good indication that the 2020 Election in Arizona was full of tenss of thousands of invalid ballots.

[Wayward Son]

Before I send the money off to the Salvation Army, I have a question.

When they say 86,391 Ballots Related Invisible Voters, how did they determine they were "invisible?"  Did they compare it to a database of voters?  If so, what database was it?

For my $10, I think you could at least answer that.

[Wayward Son]

Meanwhile, a Georgia judge dismisses the last remaining major Georgia lawsuit over the election.

Isn't it amazing how no judge--conservative, Republican, Trump-appointed, American--ever found any evidence of major fraud.

Which is why it's called the Big Lie.  Because America's Biggest Liar keeps saying he won the election. 

[Mynnion]

That would be because everyone that does not agree with The Big Lie is immediately labeled as untrustworthy.  If you are only interested in someone that agrees with your views I guess that makes more sense.

[msquared]

I also like how any Republican who does not agree with Trump and the Big Lie are labeled RINO's and Never Trumpers. No matter that they supported Trump in his re election, the only thing that matters is following Trump and what he says no questions asked. No wavering. No possibility of having a different opinion and still being a good Republican. Just ask Liz Cheney and the 10 house members who voted to impeach.

[TheDrake]

That would be because everyone that does not agree with The Big Lie is immediately labeled as untrustworthy.  If you are only interested in someone that agrees with your views I guess that makes more sense.

Why should people challenging the election be thought of as trustworthy when they are so often demonstrably wrong and in so many ways?

[msquared]

The transparent audit in AZ is not so transparent. The Senate has been trying for months to hide the communications between them and Cyber Ninjas. And like Trump, has continued to loose in the courts.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/arizona-senates-election-review-records-181102674.html

[msquared]

Trump admits he is "Former President".

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-concedes-being-former-president-232000090.html

[msquared]

And again Trump shows his lack of knowledge of history is epic.

https://currently.att.yahoo.com/att/trump-gets-taken-school-botching-025448647.html?.tsrc=daily_mail&uh_test=1_11

[rightleft22]

If only his followers cared. As one of his followers said they will love whatever comes out of his mouth.   

[yossarian22c]

And again Trump shows his lack of knowledge of history is epic.

https://currently.att.yahoo.com/att/trump-gets-taken-school-botching-025448647.html?.tsrc=daily_mail&uh_test=1_11

This is the kind of mistake Biden makes all the time too.

If I was speaking off the cuff I may make the same error, forgetting which document Jefferson wrote and that he was ambassador to France during the constitutional convention.

Big shrug. In the pantheon of idiotic and dangerous Trump statements and actions over the last 4 years this isn't even in the top 1,000.

[msquared]

Except it was not off the cuff verbal statement. It was a written release.

[Wayward Son]

That's because Trump uses neither his inner nor outer editor. 

[msquared]

An Independent Audit of WI show no real fraud.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/nonpartisan-wisconsin-audit-finds-2020-210058144.html

[msquared]

Another case of voter fraud.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/column-crying-fraud-republicans-silent-120009082.html

Again by a Republican.

So far from what I have found, every case of vote fraud has been by a Republican. Are they just dumber than Democrats at how to do this?

[Mynnion]

The Democrats did ask for proof of fraud 

[msquared]

Trump looses in court again, wanting his suit against Twitter to be tried in FL instead of CA, which is what the T&C he agreed to when he signed on says.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/florida-federal-judge-says-trumps-051802354.html

So Trump does not like the rules (which are the exact same rules on hit Truth platform) so he wants them changed just for him because he was the President.   But he is not President now. So he has to follow the rules.

We all know how this will turn out. Trump either looses the suit but claims victory or ends the suit and claims victory.

[TheDrake]

But just watch, we'll eventually get one of these isolated cases that happens to be a democratic party voter and Newsmax will have it in all caps meme font.

DEMOCRAT FRAUD EXPOSED!!!

[Mynnion]

They have all the proof of fraud they need.  It is already well documented.  The fact that those guilty voted for Trump is irrelevant.  If his supporters do it the evil commie Democrats must be doing it bigly.

[wmLambert]

Why bother asking for justice here? Most of you posters know the Democrat party has a history of voter fraud and has always pretended innocence.

You can all look at the results of Biden's short term already to see how woefully inadequate he is for the job. Harris is worse. the numbers turned in by Trump during the election were far greater than any previous attempts - yet the insane numbers from the Democrats raised no concern for you.

I'm afraid that 90% of the people could vote for Trump and the Democrats would still steal it.