Author Topic: Election Results (Read 36993 times)

msquared · « **Reply #850 on:** November 24, 2020, 12:12:11 PM »

And now PA has certified for Biden. The stage trembles as the fat lady approaches the center, warming up her voice.

msquared · « **Reply #851 on:** November 24, 2020, 12:37:40 PM »

So is this a landslide for Biden? He won the same number of EC votes as Trump did 4 years ago, when Trump claimed a landslide. Except this time Biden has the popular vote lead by 6 million, which is, I think, twice the popular vote lead Hillary had.

msquared · « **Reply #852 on:** November 24, 2020, 02:08:59 PM »

Nevada just certified their results. She's clearing her throat.

DonaldD · « **Reply #853 on:** November 24, 2020, 02:16:08 PM »

Wow, with Biden confirmed, the stock market is really taking off... (find the hidden /sarc)

msquared · « **Reply #854 on:** November 24, 2020, 02:19:18 PM »

I wonder when Trump will turn on them for having the gall not to tank the market in response to his loss. He was so sure that would happen. Just wait it will. With in 2-10 years the market will crash and it will be because they did not re-elect him.

Wayward Son · « **Reply #855 on:** November 24, 2020, 04:39:27 PM »

An NBC/Change Research poll confirms the Rueter's poll: 73% of Trump voters think Trump is the legitimate winner of the election. Only 3% believe Biden won, and 24% are unsure.

Plus 81% of Trump voters won't give Biden a chance as President. Only 19% would.

The poll consisted of 1203 respondents.

The poll also showed that 73% of the respondents would identify as being a part of Trump's party if he left the GOP. Only 28% would still identify as Republicans.

If this holds true for the general population of Republicans, then the Republican party of old is dead.

Long live the Party of Trump.

msquared · « **Reply #856 on:** November 24, 2020, 04:45:00 PM »

I wonder what will happen when Melania divorces him and writes her tell all book. Or will Trump buy her silence like he has all his other wives. I think all of the books that will come out from his insiders will doom him.

yossarian22c · « **Reply #857 on:** November 24, 2020, 05:06:23 PM »

Quote from: msquared on November 24, 2020, 04:45:00 PM

I wonder what will happen when Melania divorces him and writes her tell all book. Or will Trump buy her silence like he has all his other wives. I think all of the books that will come out from his insiders will doom him.

He'll buy Melania off, if an NDA wasn't part of her prenup to begin with. And any of the other insiders who write books aren't going to have a greater impact than all the ones who have already left and wrote books about how horrible his presidency was. I think Trump is one of the few Presidents who has had former senior officials publicly endorsing the challenger. There are enough people who still see Trump's popularity in the Republican party that they all aren't going to turn on him. And based on the 73% number of people who said they would leave the republican party if Trump left they may be making the right political calculation. It will be interesting to see if his popularity fades after his presidency or stays the same. Since Trump is best at sniping from the sidelines I don't see him declining in popularity. The only question is if the insiders can put together enough changes to the primary* to let someone else represent the Republicans in 2024, assuming Trump isn't serving a prison sentence for tax evasion.

*Things like ranked choice, approval voting, proportional allocation of delegates, or a smaller field to divide the "not Trump" vote.

Wayward Son · « **Reply #858 on:** November 24, 2020, 05:31:59 PM »

I'm still hoping Trump popularity will decrease once he leaves.

For one, the MSM won't be reporting on everything he says every day. He's no longer President, therefore no longer that significant.

For another, he won't have any power except over his follower's opinions. And without power, how long will many of his followers follow? He's just going to be another grumpy old man criticizing everything around him. There are plenty of right-wing pundits that have been doing that for years. What makes him special?

The best we can hope, of course, is if he is convicted of criminal activity, like tax fraud. Then he won't even be on the airwaves for a while (unless his prison allows broadcast equipment inside).

Without the power and the bully pulpit, I don't see much to Donald Trump post-presidency.

Aris Katsaris · « **Reply #859 on:** November 24, 2020, 05:35:42 PM »

Overly optimistic. He'll probably run again on 2024 and stoking the flames up to that point.

DonaldD · « **Reply #860 on:** November 24, 2020, 08:49:10 PM »

One refreshing result of the election, even before January 20: at least there will be one person reading the President's daily briefing, now.

TheDeamon · « **Reply #861 on:** November 25, 2020, 01:17:40 PM »

Quote from: msquared on November 24, 2020, 12:37:40 PM

So is this a landslide for Biden? He won the same number of EC votes as Trump did 4 years ago, when Trump claimed a landslide. Except this time Biden has the popular vote lead by 6 million, which is, I think, twice the popular vote lead Hillary had.

Not a particularly good landslide for him. IIRC CNN's exit polling said more than 34% of the people who voted Biden were voting against Trump, hardly an endorsement of Biden.

Also not helping Biden is another 19% reported Covid19 being the main reason for their voting in favor of Biden -- and with Vaccines starting to reach the public before Biden even assumes office, that one's pretty much going to likely be a non-factor for his admin after the first 100 days in office.

So nearly Half of Biden's "support" is likely to be gone either before he is even sworn into office, or shortly after he assumes it. But as for all those Trump Voters? Oh boy.

2022 is going to be fun.

yossarian22c · « **Reply #862 on:** November 25, 2020, 01:25:08 PM »

Quote from: TheDeamon on November 25, 2020, 01:17:40 PM

2022 is going to be fun.

2022 is going to depend more on gerrymandering which favors Republicans significantly. Trump won't be on the ballot so it will be politics as usual. It really just depends on which side has the bigger drop in turn out combined with how the new CD's get drawn.

The big issue in 2022 is going to be the economy. Its still to be seen how much damage Republicans are going to inflict on the economy before the vaccine normalizes things again. So can Biden get another 6 months of stimulus passed to float us until things get better or will McConnel cry austerity and let the economy tank for the first 6 months of the Biden admin.

msquared · « **Reply #863 on:** November 25, 2020, 02:21:47 PM »

So where is the Kraken that was promised? Do the Trumpist on this site still think there was massive voter fraud? If so where is the evidence that is good enough to present in court? You know, real evidence? Not supposition or third hand stories.

DonaldD · « **Reply #864 on:** November 25, 2020, 03:12:51 PM »

Quote from: TheDeamon on November 25, 2020, 01:17:40 PM

Not a particularly good landslide for him.

Shrug.

Trump was claiming a landslide victory in 2016 at every opportunity, whereas I haven't heard Biden make that claim, and Trump's victory was primarily the result of running against Hillary, another candidate with unprecedented negatives.

But in a time when the populace is so polarized, that one candidate was able to garner almost 7,000,000 more votes than the other is not insignificant.

DonaldD · « **Reply #865 on:** November 25, 2020, 04:57:34 PM »

The Inside Story of Michigan’s Fake Voter Fraud Scandal - or how the Michigan GOP publicly pretended to believe in fraud in order to avoid the wrath of Donald Trump.

An interesting read. i won't bother listing all the ways in which the article points out GOP members cravenly pandereing to Trump; the following is almost the least offensive, but it was one of the higher visibility attempts by GOP members to lay siege to the election processes:

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Everyone here knew this had been a possibility, but it wasn’t until midnight that the urgency of the situation crashed over Republicans. Trump had built a lead of nearly 300,000 votes on the strength of same-day ballots that were disproportionately favorable to him. Now, with the eyes of the nation—and of the president—fixed on their state, Michigan Republicans scrambled to protect that lead. Laura Cox, chair of the state party, began dialing prominent lawmakers, attorneys and activists, urging them to get down to the TCF Center, the main hub of absentee vote counting in Detroit. She was met with some confusion; there were already plenty of Republicans there, as scheduled, working their shifts as poll challengers. It didn’t matter, Cox told them. It was time to flood the zone.

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As things picked up at the TCF Center, with more and more white Republicans filing into the complex to supervise the activity of mostly Black poll workers, Chris Thomas noticed a shift in the environment.... Now, in the early morning hours of Wednesday, things were going sideways. Groups of Republican poll challengers were clustering around individual counting tables in violation of the rules. People were raising objections—such as to the transferring of military absentees onto ballots that could be read by machines, a standard practice—that betrayed a lack of preparation.

“Reading these affidavits afterward from these Republican poll challengers, I was just amazed at how misunderstood the election process was to them,” Thomas chuckled. “The things they said were going on—it’s like ‘Yeah, that’s exactly what was going on. That’s what’s supposed to happen.’”

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Cox, the party chair, tweeted out a video of her comrades standing outside the locked-up downtown building. “Republican poll challengers blocked from entering the TCF Center in Detroit! This is egregious!” she wrote.

Truly egregious was Cox’s dishonesty. At the time of her tweet, several hundred of her party’s poll challengers, attorneys and representatives were already inside the TCF Center monitoring the count. By law, Republicans were allowed to have 134 challengers in the room, one for each tabulation table. In reality, the GOP had far more than that, according to sworn testimony from nonpartisan poll watchers inside the TCF Center.

msquared · « **Reply #866 on:** November 26, 2020, 11:03:28 AM »

So Powell filed her Kraken suits in GA and MI. If only she had used a spell checker.

TheDrake · « **Reply #867 on:** November 27, 2020, 01:17:28 PM »

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The court’s sharply worded opinion was written by Judge Stephanos Bibas, who was appointed to the court by Trump.
“Charges of unfairness are serious. But calling an election unfair does not make it so. Charges require specific allegations and then proof. We have neither here,” Bibas wrote.

*censored* libs!

msquared · « **Reply #868 on:** November 27, 2020, 02:18:35 PM »

All three judges were Republican appointee's. Of course since only 1 was a Trump appointee (and she is a traitor for finding against him and a terrible judge) the other 2 are just RINO's who have been out to get Trump since 2001 and 2006.

Aris Katsaris · « **Reply #869 on:** November 27, 2020, 02:22:02 PM »

I really want to see what'll happen when the cases go to Supreme Court, and what Trump's three picks will do. I expect and hope they'll all side with the other judges, and it'll be a 9-0 blowout (or 8-0 if there's a recusal), but it'll be fun to see.

msquared · « **Reply #870 on:** November 27, 2020, 02:31:01 PM »

I wonder how many times they have to be told they are wrong and are not supplying any evidence to get the idea. Oh yeah, they don't get that. To them lack of evidence is THE evidence. I mean Powell's lawsuit claimed that Dominion can change votes (even though there is a paper print out) and that it is impossible to track. How do you prove it isn't happening when there is no evidence? Even when the paper recount basically agrees with the machines?

cherrypoptart · « **Reply #871 on:** November 27, 2020, 03:57:03 PM »

Why can't our government examine the Dominion software source code?

I'm sure the NSA has people up to the task. If the source code cannot be examined then that would seem to be a problem. In fact, it would be a problem if it hasn't already been examined by our government before it was allowed in our elections. Maybe it has been examined already and it's all good. If not though, that would seem like the logical place to start.

DonaldD · « **Reply #872 on:** November 27, 2020, 04:55:38 PM »

Quote from: cherrypoptart on November 27, 2020, 03:57:03 PM

Why can't our government examine the Dominion software source code?

How is it possible that you do not already know that this is already the case?

Here is Dominion's statement in response to the wackadoodle fraud allegations

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The allegations about DVS most relevant to the election outcome in Georgia are that votes tallied on a Dominion vote tabulator were somehow manipulated on a statewide basis to elevate the count in favor of the Democratic presidential candidate. It is important to understand that this is not possible—not on a machine-by-machine basis, not by alleged hacking, not by manipulating software, and not by imagined ways of "sending" votes to overseas locations. But even if it were possible, it would have been discovered in the statewide handcount of votes.

Dominion's systems are secure as certified by the U.S. Election Assistance Commission (EAC). In fact, all voting systems must provide assurance that they work accurately and reliably as intended under federal U.S. EAC and state certification and testing requirements. Further, Dominion source code is verified and secure. Third-party test labs chosen by the bipartisan U.S. EAC and accredited by the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) perform complete source code reviews on every tabulation system that is federally certified in the U.S.

Every vote from a Dominion device in Georgia is documented on an auditable paper trail and creates a verifiable paper ballot available for hand-counting. In fact, the Georgia handcounts, independent audits, and machine tests have all repeatedly affirmed that the machine counts were accurate.

You almost have to be purposefully ignoring evidence against these allegations in order to be unclear on why they have been shown to have no merit.

Georgia's hand recount matched the Dominion machine counts. This alleged cheating, that would have switched votes to Biden? 'They' would have to have known that Georgia would be hand recounted in order not to have switched the votes specifically in Georgia, while switching the votes in other states. Sigh. This is really not that difficult.

DonaldD · « **Reply #873 on:** November 27, 2020, 05:05:21 PM »

Come on, everybody.

Trump lost by over 6 million votes country-wide. Nobody has ever lost the popular vote by nearly that much and also won the electoral college.

Trump was and still is historically disliked as an incumbent president. His negatives were historically bad. He was also gratuitously arrogant, aggressive, and contemptuous of his opponents. He held the reigns of the country while its response to the pandemic was panned world-wide, while hundreds of thousands died and the economy tanked.

You really don't have to imagine completely baseless conspiracies to explain why so many voted to get rid of him.

msquared · « **Reply #874 on:** November 27, 2020, 05:35:22 PM »

You see that is the genius of what Powell is saying. She says that the fraud is undetectable. So she does not need proof.

cherrypoptart · « **Reply #875 on:** November 27, 2020, 06:17:18 PM »

Hannity in a re-run show today was talking about a guy who helped develop the software for Chavez to make sure his election could be rigged. The hand recounts matching the system counts is good enough in my book. Hannity didn't mention anything about all the third party testing of course. So one last question might be was that guy talking about the Chavez election just outright lying when he said the software had the capability to switch votes and that capability was used to help Chavez steal the election?

Apparently, that was the kraken.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/heres-how-hugo-chavez-dead-since-2013-became-responsible-for-trumps-election-loss

"This week, Powell finally made an offering and it quickly sunk to the bottom of the sea. On Tuesday, allied attorney Lin Wood released “the kraken” — a heavily redacted affidavit from an anonymous former Venezuelan military official who saw Chavez many years ago playing around with a supposedly rigged Smartmatic machine.

“It is a stunning, detailed affidavit because he was with Hugo Chavez while he was being briefed on how it worked. He was with Hugo Chavez when he saw it operated. He made sure the election came out his way,” Powell said on Thursday.

Powell also claimed that Soros controlled the voting machines, because the former chairman of Datamatic is also on the board of a Soros foundation — a striking echo of a claim that appeared in The Daily Caller ahead of the 2016 election.

Even if you buy these vague claims, however, Venezuela is a different country from the United States. And Smartmatic and Dominion are different companies.

To bridge these gaps, Powell has focused on the fact that Dominion bought a company called Sequoia Voting Systems from Smartmatic in 2010. The implication is that, somehow, Smartmatic installed its Hugo Chavez code in Sequoia machines, which then went on to infect Dominion’s owner systems with this crazed election-stealing ten years later."

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Just for the record, I'm not buying it. There would need to be a lot more proof and testimony than anything we've seen so far. Again though, with the hand counts matching the computer tabulations, this angle doesn't seem plausible.

wmLambert · « **Reply #876 on:** November 27, 2020, 07:24:03 PM »

I'm not really shocked, but am saddened at the gross deflection here by the Democrat Left apologists. It is so easy to find a never-Trumper who calls himself a Republican, but would not accept Trump as his President, so quoting some GOP means little.

What should bother you all is the hypocrisy of your position. You supported a non-whistle blower who was not even a witness, when you wanted to believe an innocent phone call was enough for impeachment. Now hundreds of affidavits from first-person witnesses who were sickened by criminal conduct is ignored. First-person witnesses who were there when Chavez paid for the Dominion system to ensure his illegal votes against any comers, is ignored. ...But not just ignored - impugned because the ramifications of the testimony is so Earth-shattering that your leaders merit being sent to prison for doing so.

Why do you dismiss the affidavits, outside of court? When a witness says votes were changed, it does not matter if not enough votes are flipped to change the outcome. Your side follows the old Democrat adage: the ends justifies the means. It is okay to cheat if you don't cheat enough to change the outcome. However; according to the affidavits, the vote-scamming also included flipping votes from Trump to Biden. Trump received over 80 million votes, but when the millions of flipped votes subtracted from Trump and added them to Biden, his less than 65 million became enough to surpass the Trump hacked numbers. Affidavits said that is what the Smartmatic/Dominion software was designed to do. Many people rejected the voting system as unreliable - including Democrats. But you choose to look for "testimonials" from the election officials who may go to prison if those affidavits are true. You accept them, and by so doing, define your own dishonor and hypocrisy.

All the logic in this election points to Trump winning by a landslide. Obama, beloved by his Democrat voters, couldn't whip up 65 million votes, even with his popularity and enthusiasm. Trump improved his votes in a mid-term election and won over the largest percentage of Blacks and Latinos ever - taking them away from an unenthused Biden - yet out of hundreds of thousands of votes "discovered" in a parking lot after the poll-watchers were sent home, there were no Trump votes. Discarded Trump ballots have been found in trash containers, so the fact is not that there is no evidence - but only how much lying and cheating went on. Sidney Powell has talked with many of the witnesses and offered the idea that all down-ballot Democrat candidates received 35,000 fraudulent votes.

Guiliani has stated over and over, that they wanted the State courts to overstep, so they could get the cases to SCOTUS as quickly as possible. Instead of understanding te strategy, you call the complicit fraud as more proof that Trump lost.

Saddened.

msquared · « **Reply #877 on:** November 27, 2020, 07:32:49 PM »

Still no proof supplied. Nothing that stands up in court. You keep deflecting as well. Almost every court case has been thrown out or withdrawn. In court they have presented no evidence that would convince any judge, even one appointed by Trump.

Trump lost fair and square. You just have sour grapes and are a sore looser.

Powell has not supplied any evidence to back up her claims. She should invest in a spell checker though.

Aris Katsaris · « **Reply #878 on:** November 27, 2020, 08:20:53 PM »

Quote from: wmLambert on November 27, 2020, 07:24:03 PM

All the logic in this election points to Trump winning by a landslide. Obama, beloved by his Democrat voters, couldn't whip up 65 million votes, even with his popularity and enthusiasm.

It's almost as if more people vote when you allow and encourage mail-in voting.

Also people were not enthusiastic for Biden, but they were VERY enthusiastic against Trump. Indeed I assure you people on the 'left' hate Trump much more than they loved Obama.

Also let me note as an example that the New Hampshire 2020 Democratic primaries, had about 20% more votes than the equivalent 2016 primaries of the same state.

So if I add 20% to the votes Hillary got in 2016 in New Hampshire (about 350,000), it turns I get a number (about 420,000) that's very close to the votes that Biden got in 2020 in new Hampshire. (about 425,000)

Gee, it looks as if the election results do make sense, if you take into account how much more invested Democrats were in defeating Trump than they were in 2016.

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You are no longer speaking about the supposed raids on the supposed servers in Frankfurt and Spain?

Well I'm sure Trump has all the proof he needs from those raids, so I wish you the best of luck in bringing that evidence to the Supreme Court.

How much would you bet that the Supreme Court will grant Trump his win, and at what odds would you be willing to make a bet?

cherrypoptart · « **Reply #879 on:** November 27, 2020, 09:05:32 PM »

I suppose one obvious line of inquiry would be did Chavez win his elections fair and square then using the same company or subsidiary?

Or did the same company or its subsidiary that we used help Chavez to cheat and win but played it fair and square in our own election, perhaps removing the backdoor from the code in the software they used for the U.S.?

Or was it never there in the first place and Chavez didn't rig the vote using it, perhaps winning fairly or cheating some other way?

That's a slightly separate issue from whether or not they flipped any votes in our election. Have they ever flipped any votes in any election anywhere?

Or is that so called Chavez election witness to the vote flipping full of malarkey?

Aris Katsaris · « **Reply #880 on:** November 27, 2020, 09:28:03 PM »

Cherry, three years ago, Maduro was accusing Smartmatic of being the stooge of USA, when it said that the Venezuelan elections were rigged, and that the results the company had disagreed than the ones claimed by the Venezuelan regime.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/aug/03/venezuela-president-says-smartmatic-bowing-to-us-in-turnout-claims

Now Trump is accusing the same company of supposedly conspring with Venezuela, that Venezuela 3 years ago accused of conspiring with Trump. Or... not the same company, but rather a different company that they try to argue is related, because they somehow want to bring Venezuela into this?

Except, you know, in the Venezuela case we have the company disagreeing with the Venezuelan authorities' tally, and now we have the company agreeing with every state authority's tally, and merely disagreeing with Trump who can guess what the right number of votes must have been based not on any tally or anythjng, but based on his gut feeling.

msquared · « **Reply #881 on:** November 27, 2020, 09:33:34 PM »

Remember, Trump has disowned Powell. So while I am sure Trump does not mind her spreading chaos and misinformation, he can say it is not his doing. Even though she was on his team when she first claimed this conspiracy.

msquared · « **Reply #882 on:** November 27, 2020, 10:07:44 PM »

One WI county recount, demanded by Trump, gained Biden net votes.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/recount-wisconsin-county-demanded-trump-021011966.html

TheDeamon · « **Reply #883 on:** November 28, 2020, 02:38:28 AM »

Quote from: Wayward Son on November 24, 2020, 05:31:59 PM

I'm still hoping Trump popularity will decrease once he leaves.

For one, the MSM won't be reporting on everything he says every day. He's no longer President, therefore no longer that significant.

For another, he won't have any power except over his follower's opinions. And without power, how long will many of his followers follow? He's just going to be another grumpy old man criticizing everything around him. There are plenty of right-wing pundits that have been doing that for years. What makes him special?

I doubt it's going to play out that way. Trump is amazing for media ratings, and "Sleepy Joe" is boring by comparison. The MSM is going to be giving Trump any platform he wants to use because they know that the moment he opens his mouth, it's ratings for them. Even better from the partisan side of things, it might help keep the Republicans on Defense as they have to try to figure out how to distance from Trump being Trump without angering his support base.

DonaldD · « **Reply #884 on:** November 28, 2020, 08:35:04 AM »

Once Trump is out of power, the media just might treat him like any other self promoter with an audience - Rush Limbaugh, maybe, or if worse comes to worst, Jon Voight. If and when he announces a run for 2024, that would all change.

msquared · « **Reply #885 on:** November 28, 2020, 09:25:44 AM »

Want to bet he announces at noon on Jan 20. 2021. I don't see a conflict with anything going on at that time or day, do you?

Grant · « **Reply #886 on:** November 28, 2020, 10:19:22 AM »

I don't think L'Agrippeur de Chatte is going to run again in 2024. He would be 78 years old. Biden didn't even want to run when he was 74. They pretty much made him. He might say he will to make a bunch of $$$. Basically what he intended his entire run to be in the first place until the noble Plebs raised him up as their champion against the Patricians. Ave, Liberatoris! Ave, Distructor Patriciae!

There is a bunch of noise, and running against Harris or whomever primaries Harris, may be a different prospect than running against Biden, but my prediction is that in 4 years, the noble Plebs will want to move on to some new champion against the elite. My bet would be Cruz, but that's still way out there. Junior may try to run, but I don't think he has the same magic pied piper chops he dad had.

Meanwhile, on Earth-2, Jeb Bush is preparing for his second inauguration.

msquared · « **Reply #887 on:** November 28, 2020, 09:08:44 PM »

Another PA suit tossed with prejudice.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/pa-supreme-court-dismisses-gop-003224863.html

msquared · « **Reply #888 on:** November 29, 2020, 03:16:09 PM »

And the WI recount in the 2 counties comes up with basically the same results A waste of 3 million dollars on Trumps part (or his followers, since Trump is not paying for this. He is so generous with other peoples money).

Wayward Son · « **Reply #889 on:** November 30, 2020, 02:02:34 PM »

Quote from: msquared on November 29, 2020, 03:16:09 PM

And the WI recount in the 2 counties comes up with basically the same results A waste of 3 million dollars on Trumps part (or his followers, since Trump is not paying for this. He is so generous with other peoples money).

It's a bit worse that that. Biden gained 87 votes from the recount.

Electoral Vote.com calculations say that that means Trump paid about -$34,500 per vote.

msquared · « **Reply #890 on:** November 30, 2020, 07:01:07 PM »

The National Review, that bastion of liberal think, says Trump should accept his loss.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/national-review-slams-trump-disgraceful-212348173.html

msquared · « **Reply #891 on:** November 30, 2020, 08:54:25 PM »

So Trump supporters, what are the new sources you are reading saying about all of the law suits the Admin has been loosing in every state? What is the take on those from those sources?

wmLambert · « **Reply #892 on:** November 30, 2020, 09:46:17 PM »

Now that the lawsuits are hitting their stride, let's look at the points you ignore. Please note that those who may be culpable will deny everything. Powell's lawsuit states (with proof):

!. Dominion and Smartmatic voting machines being created to help Hugo Chavez win elections.
2. Venezuelan whistleblower's direct testimony about the two systems, including Chavez's requirements that the software hide vote manipulation from audits.
3. The computers were also connected to the internet so that manipulation could occur from remote locations.
4. Gov. Kemp SOS Raffensberger, and the Georgia Board of Elections hastily bought Dominion Voting Systems and hardware despite warnings.
5. Gov. Kemp gave guidance, presumably using Covid as justification, to election officials to ignore the state's strong, specific statutory voting safeguards for absentee ballots.
6. Numerous eyewitnesses testified that they didn't verify signatures, check security envelopes, or allow challengers to observe the count.
7. They also allegedly destroyed documentary evidence that the law required them to retain in connection with mail-in voting.
8. Lied about a massive leak at the State Farm Arena that required them to shut down the count.
9. China and Iran spied on the election (and possibly manipulated it.)
10. Trump-hating Eric Coomer helped develop Dominion.
11. Almost 100,000 absentee ballots in Georgia were recorded as requested and were included in the vote count - except that there's no record they were ever returned to counjty election boards.
12. Agents of China and Iran accessed the computers.
13. Biden allegedly won the state by 12,670 votes. If proven, the allegations in the complaint show that, at minimum, Trump lost almost 100,000 votes due to election fraud. Because this number exceeds Biden's margin of victory, it requires that the election be put aside.

Aris Katsaris · « **Reply #893 on:** December 01, 2020, 02:23:24 AM »

I have to say that the prior probability I assign on a joint Venezuela-Iran-China conspiracy to steal the elections for the Democrats in cahoots with a Republican governor, is quite quite low. Why would you even need 3 foreign countries to tamper with systems? That just seems like just naming all the countries that are enemies in Trump's worldview -- regardless of whether it makes sense for them to be working with each other.

Also, wmLambert, the fact that you claimed there were raids in servers on Spain and Frankfurt that "proved" Trump won with 410 electors, and now you're seemingly trying to have us forget about that nonsensical thing you claimed, makes any subsequent claims of yours about other things having been "proven" very very suspect. Frankly you've proven yourself an untrustworthy judge of what constitutes "proof".

msquared · « **Reply #894 on:** December 01, 2020, 07:48:29 AM »

And what happens when a judge throws out that suit because she really did not supply any evidence? Claims that the system is set up so that fraud can not be found is a hell of a claim and impossible to prove one way or another. But in a court of law it is on her to prove it, not just claim it.

And you still did not answer my question. How are they describing Trump's terrible performance so far in the courts?

yossarian22c · « **Reply #895 on:** December 01, 2020, 10:39:51 AM »

Quote from: wmLambert on November 30, 2020, 09:46:17 PM

Now that the lawsuits are hitting their stride, let's look at the points you ignore. Please note that those who may be culpable will deny everything. Powell's lawsuit states (with proof):

You're going with Powell's lawsuit that was so outlandish Trump wanted no part of it?

A couple things really wrong with this lawsuit in Georgia.
1) They did a hand recount and got the same results so there is evidence the machines didn't change votes. So that refutes any malfeasance from your points 1-3, 9, 10, and 12.
2) Your asserting that Republicans rigged the election for Biden.
3) This lawsuit was so absurd and unfounded Trump fired Powell from his legal team.

According to the Republicans running the election there was signature verification.

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"The reality is Georgia strengthened signature match," a spokesman for Raffensperger's office said in a statement. "Absentee ballots are matched by Georgia Bureau of Investigation trained elections officials twice before a ballot is cast."

So there goes points 4-7.
Not sure why a leaky pipe that paused counting for a couple hours is evidence of massive voter fraud.

That leaves us with the 100,000 votes you reference in 11. I have no idea what you're talking about there and can't find a reference to it.

Also should the congressional races be set aside too? Should the Qanon congresswomen's election be invalidated?

wmLambert · « **Reply #896 on:** December 01, 2020, 01:07:12 PM »

Supposedly, China purchased Dominion on October 18th. Biden's victory would certainly benefit them.

https://twitter.com/MEMRIReports/status/1333327936380936192

BTW: it is amusing how so many Democrat apologists here deny that the Democrats actually conspired to steal the election as hundreds of eyewitnesses have stated. I guess it was all coincidence and hard work from unenthusiastic Biden supporters, neh?

msquared · « **Reply #897 on:** December 01, 2020, 01:14:37 PM »

Ok so you use a twitter link as proof of something but the twitter thing is about Covid and not Dominion? How about a real source?

yossarian22c · « **Reply #898 on:** December 01, 2020, 01:14:49 PM »

Quote from: wmLambert on December 01, 2020, 01:07:12 PM

Supposedly, China purchase Dominion on October 18th. Biden's victory would certainly benefit them.

https://twitter.com/MEMRIReports/status/1333327936380936192

And you're off to the next twitter conspiracy.

msquared · « **Reply #899 on:** December 01, 2020, 01:16:57 PM »

You mean witnesses who might be biased against Biden winning? Why couldn't it have been hard work of Biden supporters and anti Trump people? And if they were going to steal the Presidential election, why not steal the senate as well? I mean why make it a run off in GA when they could have just made the 2 Dems running win their races.