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« Reply #1850 on: April 26, 2022, 06:34:37 PM »
Gullible people think this is something real.

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Raffensperger told Channel 2 investigative reporter Mark Winne that the evidence appears to be credible, but Texas group “True the Vote” won’t reveal who their source of the information was.

“They said that they had some credible information, and we looked at it, and we said it was, and so then we asked, ‘Who are these people?’ and they said, ‘We know who they are. They talked to us, but we cant tell you who they are.,’” Raffensperger said.

Raffensperger says subpoenas that went out last week are meant to help find out how true those allegations really are.

So this burning new evidence came from a group dedicated to, among other things, trying to make sure ballots are printed only in English. Who wont tell authorities who told them about harvesting. Feels a lot like an Arizona Fishing Hole.

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« Reply #1851 on: April 26, 2022, 07:24:14 PM »
Gullible people think this is something real.

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Raffensperger told Channel 2 investigative reporter Mark Winne that the evidence appears to be credible, but Texas group “True the Vote” won’t reveal who their source of the information was.

“They said that they had some credible information, and we looked at it, and we said it was, and so then we asked, ‘Who are these people?’ and they said, ‘We know who they are. They talked to us, but we cant tell you who they are.,’” Raffensperger said.

Raffensperger says subpoenas that went out last week are meant to help find out how true those allegations really are.

So this burning new evidence came from a group dedicated to, among other things, trying to make sure ballots are printed only in English. Who wont tell authorities who told them about harvesting. Feels a lot like an Arizona Fishing Hole.

You remember Adam Schiff's whistleblower who was a Democrat operative and had his identity protected? No, I didn't think so. I also saw the video clips showing the ballot-stuffers. Does that make me a whistleblower, too? The video aired on Newsmax so yoy can claim that is suspect, too. The info on Biden's authenticated emails that proved he was a part of Hunter's graft was also there. Proven stuff - but zero time on ABC, NBC, CNN, MSNBC, and other outlets. 20 seconds total on CBS. Your side is rarely informed.

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« Reply #1852 on: April 26, 2022, 08:00:11 PM »
I think Wm has BDS (Biden Derangement Syndrome). It mutated from his OBS (Obama Derangement Syndrome).

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« Reply #1853 on: April 26, 2022, 08:16:56 PM »
...So this burning new evidence came from a group dedicated to, among other things, trying to make sure ballots are printed only in English.

Since those who apply for citizenship are required to learn English, that may be a good way to help prove their citizenship, neh? What other language do you want ballots printed in? Klingon? If you want the USA to be a melting pot, then a single language is a positive thing. If you want to encourage dissonance and ghettoism, ensure no one can talk to one another.

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« Reply #1854 on: April 26, 2022, 08:31:19 PM »
I think Wm has BDS (Biden Derangement Syndrome). It mutated from his OBS (Obama Derangement Syndrome).


On the contrary, Biden's crime family is a real thing. Do you really not know Joe had 19 meetings in the White House with Hunter's business partners? Do you really not know of the $5.1 million in undisclosed income from China, Russia and other foreign nations? Do you really not know that Joe Biden is a plagiarist and liar? ...Smartest man in the room who was the only one in his class on a full-academic scholarship, award winner, and graduated with 165 credits in the top half of his class? Lied about everything. Explain his plagiarism that cost him his first run for President. BTW, neither his father or grandfather was a coal miner. If you do not know any of this, please learn.

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« Reply #1855 on: April 27, 2022, 05:50:39 AM »
This lady always brings the goods. This is very interesting, very close to the "smoking gun" we've been looking for. As she notes, it's nothing that will hold up in court because the ballots can no longer be verified one way or the other, but the mystery of these ballot mules is unraveling thanks to the cell phone location data and security cam footage. I like how after they found out the FBI busted one of their cohorts using fingerprints left at the scene of the crime they started wearing gloves too. That's not suspicious at all.


https://nypost.com/2022/04/24/biden-is-up-to-old-election-tricks/

TheDrake

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« Reply #1856 on: April 27, 2022, 06:43:20 AM »
...So this burning new evidence came from a group dedicated to, among other things, trying to make sure ballots are printed only in English.

Since those who apply for citizenship are required to learn English, that may be a good way to help prove their citizenship, neh? What other language do you want ballots printed in? Klingon? If you want the USA to be a melting pot, then a single language is a positive thing. If you want to encourage dissonance and ghettoism, ensure no one can talk to one another.

Learning basic English at the level for citizenship is not the same thing as being able to understand a complex ballot measure. Also, the melting pot concept is an antique relic from your youth. We're not about trying to remake everyone into your image of the Ideal American.

Also your premise is wrong in the first place, making the argument null and void.

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US Legal Permanent Residents or Green Card holders for more than 15 years living in the United States can take the citizenship test in Spanish or their preferred language.

Green card holders can take the citizenship test in Spanish

But sure, you're the informed one.

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« Reply #1857 on: April 27, 2022, 03:22:29 PM »
This lady always brings the goods. This is very interesting, very close to the "smoking gun" we've been looking for. As she notes, it's nothing that will hold up in court because the ballots can no longer be verified one way or the other, but the mystery of these ballot mules is unraveling thanks to the cell phone location data and security cam footage. I like how after they found out the FBI busted one of their cohorts using fingerprints left at the scene of the crime they started wearing gloves too. That's not suspicious at all.


https://nypost.com/2022/04/24/biden-is-up-to-old-election-tricks/

She's reporting claims that she hasn't verified sourced by a right wing group. If they did all this analysis, why haven't they published all the data, reports, and images of these suspicious people. Or reported it to law enforcement in the respective states. If there really are 10,000 mules working in an organized effort to stuff ballot boxes, find 5-10 individuals. I guarantee some of them are going to flip on the operation to avoid jail time. But all the previous videos that I saw out of Georgia where the right was going crazy about people stuffing ballots ended up being a spouse dropping off 2 ballots for both parties. It was technically against the rules (in some jurisdictions) but hardly the thing of organized election fraud.

There are other holes in the narrative as well. The big one being where were they getting all these legitimate ballots from? If they stole them from voters why has no one complained? If they were running around buying them off voters then why is there no evidence of that? Why are we more concerned about election drop boxes than postal drop boxes?

All that said I generally prefer in person voting, as long as it is set up and organized so that you don't have to wait long to vote. But it really just prevents small scale fraud, people scamming 50-100 ballots on a city council race where that is enough to make a difference. And if you look at the number of people who have gotten caught doing something that small it makes you wonder why we haven't been about to catch anyone running an organized vote scamming spot on the scale of 10,000 - 100,000 votes across multiple states that is being claimed.

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« Reply #1858 on: April 27, 2022, 03:26:30 PM »
This lady always brings the goods. This is very interesting, very close to the "smoking gun" we've been looking for. As she notes, it's nothing that will hold up in court because the ballots can no longer be verified one way or the other, but the mystery of these ballot mules is unraveling thanks to the cell phone location data and security cam footage. I like how after they found out the FBI busted one of their cohorts using fingerprints left at the scene of the crime they started wearing gloves too. That's not suspicious at all.


https://nypost.com/2022/04/24/biden-is-up-to-old-election-tricks/

I wonder how many of the "mules" they identified from the cell phone tracking data are election workers, delivery drivers, mail carriers, dog walkers, or other people who have reasons to drive/walk past election boxes regularly. Again after so many completely bogus claims by the right, you really need to show your work and evidence at this point. Because every time they start showing their work the whole constructive narrative falls apart.

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« Reply #1859 on: April 27, 2022, 03:43:18 PM »
All true enough. The devil is in the details. We'll see. Hopefully.

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« Reply #1860 on: April 27, 2022, 04:13:03 PM »
Sure cherry, we'll find out its all another pile of nonsense, and you'll go back to hoping that the giant secret conspiracy will finally be revealed! Good luck with the latest Bigfoot footage while you're at it.

What exactly would it prove if we did discover that a couple of hundred ballots did get harvested? It's not exactly an A-HA! moment that reveals that Mike Pence should have thrown away the election returns, or even that any outcome was affected even locally.

Also, lets note, that somebody bringing ballots to a dropoff, while illegal, doesn't immediately confirm malfeasance or even a distortion of results. Not if the ballots were prepared by the voters legitimately and transported by someone ignorant of the law, or knowingly breaking the law but to make it convenient for some folks that didn't qualify for assistance. People who dropped off a bunch of ballots handed to them by friends - hey, you're going by the ballot collection? Could you take this for me? Doesn't make it right, but hardly the end of democracy and a stolen election.

D'Souza has committed an election felony himself, funneling contributions illegally, but you want him to prove that someone else is trying to skirt election law? Friend to Alex Jones - or at least ally, that's the guy that is going to convince you?


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« Reply #1861 on: April 27, 2022, 09:45:58 PM »
Couple of hundred? Sure, not the end of the world.

But the tens of thousands they are talking about here? Well that would be a game changer.

And if it's that many, that's not just people dropping off a ballot for a friend. That's the massive voter fraud kraken we've been promised for lo these many years.

But I hear ya. Don't get my hopes up. Been there, done that, walked away crying. So agreed.

TheDrake

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« Reply #1862 on: April 27, 2022, 11:39:54 PM »
Sure there were thousands of people in multiple states, but nobody got drunk and spilled the beans, they are so stealthy that they could only be detected by cell phone data.

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« Reply #1863 on: May 03, 2022, 04:49:12 PM »
Some looked into the claim WmLambert made on the last page about ballot "mules".

https://www.yahoo.com/news/fact-focus-gaping-holes-claim-200655794.html

Yeah it seems like it might not be the most reliable information.


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« Reply #1864 on: May 03, 2022, 05:19:52 PM »
Some looked into the claim WmLambert made on the last page about ballot "mules".

https://www.yahoo.com/news/fact-focus-gaping-holes-claim-200655794.html

Yeah it seems like it might not be the most reliable information.

Just as any rational person would have predicted in the first place. They strap some filter onto more or less random uncontrolled data and then splice it together with footage of people legitimately dropping off multiple ballots as allowed by law. Just like the footage of delivery trucks pulling up, consistent with the law. Or storing boxes of ballots temporarily under a table and pulling them out to process, consistent with the law.

I hope somebody gathers cellphone data of people in the vicinity of GOP election offices and areas with known drug dealers. AHA!

yossarian22c

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« Reply #1865 on: May 03, 2022, 05:30:56 PM »
All true enough. The devil is in the details. We'll see. Hopefully.

And we have seen the response. They have no evidence other than people moving near these places 10 times over 6 weeks. Not so much a smoking gun as a drag net that scooped up every election worker, delivery driver, and local residents. So much for your smoking gun and even though the rational right (which you are in a dwindling minority of) will move on. The rest of the right like wm will be bringing this up for years. Quit helping give these people oxygen and credibility.

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« Reply #1866 on: May 08, 2022, 09:56:29 PM »
Some looked into the claim WmLambert made on the last page about ballot "mules".

https://www.yahoo.com/news/fact-focus-gaping-holes-claim-200655794.html

Yeah it seems like it might not be the most reliable information.

You haven't even seen the documentary bu D'Souza, have you? Many states allow a family member to drop off family ballots, but make ballot harvesting illegal. The video shows the same person dropping off many ballots at many different ballot collection boxes in the wee hours of the night. You don't need cell-phome tracking to see the vote-scamming. The video goes to great length to document illegality. Opinion hit pieces don't negayte that.

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« Reply #1867 on: May 09, 2022, 10:23:10 AM »
Some looked into the claim WmLambert made on the last page about ballot "mules".

https://www.yahoo.com/news/fact-focus-gaping-holes-claim-200655794.html

Yeah it seems like it might not be the most reliable information.

You haven't even seen the documentary bu D'Souza, have you? Many states allow a family member to drop off family ballots, but make ballot harvesting illegal. The video shows the same person dropping off many ballots at many different ballot collection boxes in the wee hours of the night. You don't need cell-phome tracking to see the vote-scamming. The video goes to great length to document illegality. Opinion hit pieces don't negayte that.

So you found one potential vote harvester after two years of investigation. Why did they put out their information as a video documentary? Why not a detailed written report that shows sources, explains details, etc. I'll tell you why, a detailed written report has to hold water, a video is much more fuzzy, people have to try to track down your sources to see if you are manipulating data.

Also are you sure you're seeing the same person dropping off ballets at different locations at different times? Or just a couple guys who look alike? Or the same location from multiple angles? Or a pastor who is dropping off ballets for his congregants? A close family/friend dropping off ballets for elderly congregants who have trouble getting out.

There may have been a handful of vote harvesters out there. But definitely nothing on the scale of the thousands claimed. That's the problem with what your sources claim, they claimed to have found 10,000 mules across multiple states. What they have shown is circumstantial evidence for 1. And showing fraud on the order of 10s of votes doesn't invalidate the election in the slightest. No system is going to be absolutely perfect but  we can be very, very, very confident that the vote fraud wasn't on the order of 10-100 thousand votes across multiple states and all we can detect is the occasional republican double vote and illegal registration (Mark Meadows).

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« Reply #1868 on: May 09, 2022, 08:22:55 PM »
Let see NewsMax and Fox will not air the 2,000 Mules show.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/dinesh-d-souza-claims-tucker-212549727.html

I wonder why?

Even Tucker would not show it or talk about it. And we know there is almost no crap Tucker wouldn't promote.

msquared

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« Reply #1869 on: May 10, 2022, 07:40:44 AM »

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« Reply #1870 on: May 10, 2022, 08:03:20 AM »
There is no credibility to D'Souza. He's been shown to edit things in a shady way, pull quotes out of context, and the material generally represents a big money grab. If his intent is really to expose terrible vote fraud, why isn't it released into the public domain? I'm sure as hell not giving him $20 so I can have my arguments fall on deaf ears. As for the video in question that purports to show the same person dropping multiple ballots "in the middle of the night", I'd review it if it were available. I'm assuming its just a one minute montage, and not available in any trailers.

D'Souza might have just shown us multiple angles of the same event. He may have lied or been ambiguous about what time of day or date such things happened. Don't try to hold your breath for the indictments.

I did enjoy seeing Trumpers who stood in the rain to watch this nonsense. While at least one of them apparently stole intellectual property in the form of copyrighted material.

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« Reply #1871 on: May 10, 2022, 12:37:57 PM »
There is no credibility to D'Souza. He's been shown to edit things in a shady way, pull quotes out of context, and the material generally represents a big money grab. If his intent is really to expose terrible vote fraud, why isn't it released into the public domain? I'm sure as hell not giving him $20 so I can have my arguments fall on deaf ears. As for the video in question that purports to show the same person dropping multiple ballots "in the middle of the night", I'd review it if it were available. I'm assuming its just a one minute montage, and not available in any trailers.
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I made the same assumptions about D'Souza without knowing anything about him. Just the fact that he put his argument out in only video form. Charging $20 a pop for it is hilarious. That alone shows he doesn't care anything about voting integrity, just getting his share of the right wing big lie graft. 

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« Reply #1872 on: May 10, 2022, 06:18:58 PM »
...What exactly would it prove if we did discover that a couple of hundred ballots did get harvested? It's not exactly an A-HA! moment that reveals that Mike Pence should have thrown away the election returns, or even that any outcome was affected even locally.

Go to any of the free streams of 2000 Mules and follow the science. We now have indisputable confirmation that in 4 vote-scammed states, there were more than enough illegal scammed ballots to more than offset Biden's stolen election. 207K ballots illegally put in drop-boxes by mules in AZ which Trump only lost by 10,457 votes. 83K in WI to offset 20,682, 200K in PA to offset 80,555 votes, and 226K in MI to offset 154,188.

The official cameras documenting all the drop-boxes showed the same felons (documented by cell-phone verification and tracking) that followed them from multiple drop-boxes in different counties depositing multiple ballots in each box - then go back to Democrat depots where they picked up more ballots and went to new boxes in the middle of the night to avoid witnesses. However; some cameras caught these mules in daylight hours brazenly committing felonies. After one day when the police brought up fingerprints of some illegal ballots, all the mules appeared with blue gloves to hide their prints. They also photographed their own felonies in order to get paid for each ballot. Many felons have been interrogated. They received money for each ballot, but they had to prove them. According to the numbers, Trump won by a landslide.

Now you may say many of the late-night ballots dropped off at counting centers could have been mixed with a few Trump votes. We know from many eyewitness reports that these late-night deliveries were almost 100% Biden votes, which were challenged at the time of being improbable. Many obvious forged ballots only had the Presidential votes selected.

Anyone have any input here? It sure looks cut and dried. The Democrats stole the election, and we are suffering under an illegal regime.

https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/2000-mules-watch-the-full-movie/

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« Reply #1873 on: May 10, 2022, 06:34:00 PM »
2000 Mules stated that Trump should have received 305 electoral votes to 233 for Biden.

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« Reply #1874 on: May 10, 2022, 07:40:14 PM »
More harm to our society will occur if massive election fraud can be proven than would happen if we all just went on assuming it didn't and couldn't happen just like more harm to society will occur if it's ever proven that vaccines have a lot more adverse reactions in a lot more people than most in our society realize. Not saying either of those things are true, just that if they were there would be people not wanting that knowledge getting out and taking hold of the masses. Even if the vaccines cause a lot more problems than we realize they still do millions of times more good than harm. Even if the massive voter fraud happened, the loss of trust in our government and possible civil unrest that results from that information being confirmed will, to many people including most in power right now, Democrats and Republicans alike, make things a lot worse than just sweeping it under the rug as long as that's possible.

Obviously I'm on the side of finding out and putting out the truth regardless of the consequences, but there are strong forces at work intent on keeping that from ever happening, starting with not looking too hard in the first place. Same thing with, and this one's a freebie, UFOs, which I don't believe are extra-terrestrial by the way, but that would be something similarly society shaking. More society shaking actually, but in the same vein.

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« Reply #1875 on: May 11, 2022, 01:20:52 PM »
2000 Mules stated that Trump should have received 305 electoral votes to 233 for Biden.

Great, I'm stating Trump should have won 0 electoral votes. Pay me $1,000,000 for me to show my work. No refunds.

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« Reply #1876 on: May 11, 2022, 01:21:46 PM »
...What exactly would it prove if we did discover that a couple of hundred ballots did get harvested? It's not exactly an A-HA! moment that reveals that Mike Pence should have thrown away the election returns, or even that any outcome was affected even locally.

Go to any of the free streams of 2000 Mules and follow the science.
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Are you advocating us to engage in copyright infringement?

wmLambert

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« Reply #1877 on: May 11, 2022, 06:35:27 PM »
...Are you advocating us to engage in copyright infringement?

No. I want you to pay the $19.95 as advertised, because unless you pay for something you can't believe it is legitimate. But while that transaction is under way, you can look at the free streams to learn what you should know.

For those acting like the cell data is unbelievable, the videos were from the official government cameras watching over the drop-boxes, and the cell data did validate the ID of those Felons caught on camera. Were the blue gloves also unbelievable? I liked how the one Mule walked to the drop box without ever looking around her but walked straight to the trash to throw away her gloves after depositing the scam ballots without even looking for it. Sure looked like she knew where it was beforehand, which means she was there before throwing away other gloves, which the witnesses interviewed were given to them at the Democrat depots handing out illegal ballots.

Admit it. The vote was dirty and the Democrats had a huge effort of vote-scamming that had over 50,000 Mules in on it. The $5 to $50 dollars handed out per ballot (as attested to by witnesses) was an enormous price tag to not be a Party initiative. We have the Biden Crime Family being abetted by an enormous criminal enterprise. If you don't stand against it, then you are a part of the crime.

You also should realize that there were non-official scamming going on by other Democrats who believed the ends justified the means. The normal vote-scamming was present - but the drop-box Mules took this to a new but verifiable level. 305 to 266 just from looking at a few key states. As poorly as Biden campaigned from his basement and the lack of coverage of the Biden Crime Family, I doubt Biden could have won a single state fairly.

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« Reply #1878 on: May 11, 2022, 07:08:17 PM »
Admit Lambert--D'Souza is a liar and you don't care.  You'll happily repeat his lies without ever looking at any criticism or checking to see if D'Souza is trustworthy.  As long as it fits your agenda, you don't care if the accusations are made out of whole cloth or not. 

So don't go lecturing us about us being "part of the crime."  It's that kind of rhetoric that makes people go to pizza parlors looking for pedophile rings in the basement when the place has no basement.  ;D  The biggest crime is how Republicans spread lies and then encourage people to commit crimes based on those lies.  That is something no one has a defense against.

So show some integrity yourself.  Vet what you read and stop spreading this B.S.  Start living again in the real world, for God's sake!  >:(

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« Reply #1879 on: May 11, 2022, 07:33:00 PM »
Admit Lambert--D'Souza is a liar and you don't care.  You'll happily repeat his lies without ever looking at any criticism or checking to see if D'Souza is trustworthy.  As long as it fits your agenda, you don't care if the accusations are made out of whole cloth or not. 

So don't go lecturing us about us being "part of the crime."  It's that kind of rhetoric that makes people go to pizza parlors looking for pedophile rings in the basement when the place has no basement.  ;D  The biggest crime is how Republicans spread lies and then encourage people to commit crimes based on those lies.  That is something no one has a defense against.

So show some integrity yourself.  Vet what you read and stop spreading this B.S.  Start living again in the real world, for God's sake!  >:(

You just aided and abetted vote-scamming. If they go to prison, maybe it will splash over to you. Nothing D'Souza showed was out-of-line. As for who spreads lies. It was you and your Party activists who pushed the Steele Dossier which was paid for by Hillary and the DNC. Did you not notice that besides the scientific explanations in 2000 Mules was the use of the least probable guestimates? They proved some Mules delivered many illegal ballots but settled on afairly small number for each drop, even taking away a number that they may have legally been able to deliver from their immediate families (in dozens of different drop-boxes.)

It was you and your Party activists who said the Hunter laptop was Russian disinformation when it was known to be his and under FBI investigation.

It was you and your Party activists who never mentioned Tony Bobulinski as a whistleblower who was an eyewitness to the Biden Crime Family's crimes.

So, yes, you deserve to be lectured on being "part of the crime."

D'Souza is not the liar. That would be Joe Biden. We have documentation of his lies and plagiarism going back all the way to pre-Government days. Before throwing out slurs about GOP, explain away Obama, Clinton, Biden, Harris, Brennan, Clapper, Hayden, Rice, Comey, Pelosi, Schumer, Schiff and others as they have lied repeatedly and never apologized.

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« Reply #1880 on: May 12, 2022, 06:28:31 AM »
...Are you advocating us to engage in copyright infringement?

No. I want you to pay the $19.95 as advertised, because unless you pay for something you can't believe it is legitimate. But while that transaction is under way, you can look at the free streams to learn what you should know.
Please justify why it is necessary to pay for something for it to be legitimate?  And are you also stating that if you pay for something then it must be legitimate? Given that I'm not paying anything to read your posts - does that mean I shouldn't believe them?

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« Reply #1881 on: May 12, 2022, 09:48:12 AM »
Please justify why it is necessary to pay for something for it to be legitimate?  And are you also stating that if you pay for something then it must be legitimate? Given that I'm not paying anything to read your posts - does that mean I shouldn't believe them?

What's the name for a true conclusion that comes from a false premise? Like, you shouldn't believe wmLamert's posts but not because they're free.

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« Reply #1882 on: May 12, 2022, 12:06:08 PM »
Admit Lambert--D'Souza is a liar and you don't care.  You'll happily repeat his lies without ever looking at any criticism or checking to see if D'Souza is trustworthy.  As long as it fits your agenda, you don't care if the accusations are made out of whole cloth or not. 

So don't go lecturing us about us being "part of the crime."  It's that kind of rhetoric that makes people go to pizza parlors looking for pedophile rings in the basement when the place has no basement.  ;D  The biggest crime is how Republicans spread lies and then encourage people to commit crimes based on those lies.  That is something no one has a defense against.

So show some integrity yourself.  Vet what you read and stop spreading this B.S.  Start living again in the real world, for God's sake!  >:(

You just aided and abetted vote-scamming. If they go to prison, maybe it will splash over to you. Nothing D'Souza showed was out-of-line. As for who spreads lies. It was you and your Party activists who pushed the Steele Dossier which was paid for by Hillary and the DNC. Did you not notice that besides the scientific explanations in 2000 Mules was the use of the least probable guestimates? They proved some Mules delivered many illegal ballots but settled on afairly small number for each drop, even taking away a number that they may have legally been able to deliver from their immediate families (in dozens of different drop-boxes.)
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Please explain this to me. According to you D'Souza has clear evidence that the election was stolen. He has all this damning evidence from video and cell phones. So why does he makes a documentary instead of writing a detailed report that documents everything with links to the appropriate video along with the cell phone tracking data and sending it to the attorney generals in each of the states and the FBI. Why? Is his motivation profit or truth?

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« Reply #1883 on: May 12, 2022, 01:00:18 PM »
What's the name for a true conclusion that comes from a false premise?

It's called affirming the consequent, for any logic nerds like me :p

Structurally it's taking an A-->B implication, and stating that B is true, and therefore A is true, whereas A-->B works only in the opposite direction. Only in an A<-->B structure (A "if and only if" B) can you use the implication in both directions.

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« Reply #1884 on: May 12, 2022, 08:07:58 PM »
What's the name for a true conclusion that comes from a false premise?

It's called affirming the consequent, for any logic nerds like me :p

Structurally it's taking an A-->B implication, and stating that B is true, and therefore A is true, whereas A-->B works only in the opposite direction. Only in an A<-->B structure (A "if and only if" B) can you use the implication in both directions.

The Democrat apologists have one primary fallacy which is almost a given with them: Politics of Personal Destruction. Instead of responding to facts and objective evidence, the advocate is reviled as being unfit to be believed. For example, Although Linda Tripp personally witnessed documents being illegally removed from Vince Foster's office (later to be discovered in Hillary's personal office), Her statements will not be considered because she was also a witness to the Billy Dale railroad in the Travelgate scandal, which must mean it is an extreme right wing conspiracy and she must be a bad person. Paula Jones can not be believed because she had Republican attorneys. George W. Bush can not be believed as an advocate trying to fix the California energy crisis, because he was an oil man and must be greedy. Lack of logic - attack

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« Reply #1885 on: May 12, 2022, 08:31:00 PM »
...According to you D'Souza has clear evidence that the election was stolen. He has all this damning evidence from video and cell phones. So why does he makes a documentary instead of writing a detailed report that documents everything with links to the appropriate video along with the cell phone tracking data and sending it to the attorney generals in each of the states and the FBI. Why? Is his motivation profit or truth?

Obviously truth, whereas yours is Politics pf Personal Destruction, neh? My minor in philosophy and logic makes me livid when I see obvious debate fallacies used to disinform. Use the other side of debate and look at the logic. The Left controls most main stream media sources - so much truth is unavailable to those who only get their info from political activists.

The evidence from video and cell phones worked together to confirm each other - and is damning. D'Souza realizes that verified content which is not seen is useless when the media ignores it. Detailed reports were given to the judicial where they are  unwatched as lacking standing. The media is complicit in ignoring anything that endorses Trump. The average man on the street still thinks Russia colluded with Trump, when the only collusion was with Hillary and the DNC. The televised Presidential debates ignored truth as it has now been confirmed. Every metric polled to say Biden could not have won if the Hunter laptop had been acknowledged as true. ...Let alone the object of much of that being the Biden Crime Family getting paid off by China, Russia, and other illegal sources.

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« Reply #1886 on: May 13, 2022, 07:04:53 AM »
That doesn't answer the question. Why isn't this ironclad proof in the public domain, and why isn't it sparking legitimate investigations by republican attorneys general, since the proof is so unassailable? None of that has anything to do with media bias, and absolutely nothing to do with anything Biden related.

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« Reply #1887 on: May 13, 2022, 08:22:01 AM »
Well finally proof of ballot scamming. This is why Republicans are so sure it is happening. They are the ones doing it.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/gop-staffers-fired-wake-potential-225700710.html

So we have Mark Meadows registered to vote in 3 states. We have multiple verified cases of Republicans voting twice or voting for dead people.

All of this furor over voter fraud is just transference. They cheated and still lost. How emberassing.

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« Reply #1888 on: May 13, 2022, 10:34:31 AM »
Just like Mike Lindell filing all of those lawsuits that get thrown out because they do not have the evidence.  When it is Republicans there is evidence.  Mark Meadows should be prosecuted for election fraud.  While D'Souza and Lindell keep saying they have evidence, they are not willing to present it to any valid lawyers/courts to actually do anything about it.

It looks like to me Lindell is spending all of his money so that when he looses his defamation cases, he is broke.

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« Reply #1889 on: May 13, 2022, 10:36:16 AM »
Well finally proof of ballot scamming. This is why Republicans are so sure it is happening. They are the ones doing it.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/gop-staffers-fired-wake-potential-225700710.html

So we have Mark Meadows registered to vote in 3 states. We have multiple verified cases of Republicans voting twice or voting for dead people.

All of this furor over voter fraud is just transference. They cheated and still lost. How emberassing.

Without the left going full blown investigation mode and law suit crazy they still found good evidence against a guy who potentially committed ballot fraud for a few dozen votes. They found the voters, interviewed them, identified the records of where the ballots where sent, all things I like to call evidence. Can you track down the 30 votes he cast and undo the effect, no. But just goes to show this stuff is detectable.

If there are 100,000s of thousands of votes like this submitted by Democrats why can't anyone find the evidence of it. 30 votes was detectable. I don't understand how anyone can claim that it is reasonable that this was done to the tune of 300,000 votes across 4-6 states that received a lot of scrutiny and you can't turn up one person as guilty as this Republican. Or hell, find a democrat as guilty as Mark Meadows. Apparently he decided to register in as many swing states as possible. Won't take long to see if he voted in multiple states as well.

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« Reply #1890 on: May 18, 2022, 12:09:07 PM »
https://www.npr.org/2022/05/17/1098787088/a-pro-trump-film-suggests-its-data-are-so-accurate-it-solved-a-murder-thats-fals

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Trump's official spokesperson, Liz Harrington, said True The Vote "solved a murder of a young little girl in Atlanta. I mean, they are heroes." Fans of the film have echoed that message on social media.

That claim is false.

Authorities in Georgia arrested and secured indictments against two suspects in the murder of Secoriea Turner in August 2021.

In response to NPR's inquiries, True The Vote acknowledged it had contacted law enforcement more than two months later, meaning it played no role in those arrests or indictments.

Amazing they were able to tip off law enforcement to an arrest they had already made.

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"The GBI did not receive information from True the Vote that connected to the Secoriea Turner investigation," said Nelly Miles, the GBI's Director of the Office of Public and Governmental Affairs.

An attorney for Secoriea Turner's family told NPR they had never heard of Engelbrecht's and Phillips' analysis either.

Also seems like they forgot to tip the police off to the arrest they made months earlier.

But onto the main claim about mules.

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True The Vote said it used the data to track the movements of people in key swing states around the time of the 2020 election. D'Souza, Engelbrecht and Phillips claim this location-tracking data show thousands of people making suspiciously large numbers of stops at mail-in vote dropboxes in the 2020 election. They allege those individuals, the "mules" of the title, were making multiple stops because they were actually stuffing the dropboxes with stacks of completed ballots - a practice that critics call "ballot harvesting."

The film also features video surveillance footage of some ballot dropboxes. But, as D'Souza himself has acknowledged, the film does not show any person on camera going to multiple dropboxes. So the film primarily relies on their claims about geotracking data, which D'Souza has argued are "more reliable than video footage."

So with all their "mules," data, and video they failed to identify the same person going to multiple drop boxes even once.

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Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensberger, a Republican, said his office had already examined one instance flagged by True The Vote, in which a man delivered multiple ballots to a dropbox. Raffensberger said they found no wrongdoing. "We investigated, and the five ballots that he turned in were all for himself and his family members," said Raffensperger.


And when their claims are investigated, no wrong doing.

I'm shocked, shocked, that putting out a for profit film ends up being hollow and devoid of fact. Just another right wing graft on the Trump cult.


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« Reply #1891 on: May 18, 2022, 12:20:59 PM »
It is the same reason Mike Lindell is not able to get any of the Attorney's General of any state, even those run by Republicans, to sign on to any of his lawsuites.  Because he has not case and no evidence.

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« Reply #1892 on: May 19, 2022, 07:49:46 AM »
Trump thinks Dr Oz should just declare victory now and them claim that his other GOP opponents are cheating if they keep counting.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-pressed-dr-oz-declare-054034790.html

Typical Trump.  Is one step ahead and claims victory when there is still 100 yards to go.  I bet he thinks Rich Strike cheated.

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« Reply #1893 on: May 19, 2022, 03:54:54 PM »
Bad new for election fraud in WI

https://www.yahoo.com/news/judge-gives-wisconsin-gop-leader-194402321.html

These people doing the investigations seem to think what they are doing is private work. They complain about lack of transparency, but then are so opaque as to black out.  You would  think they would want to publish what they are doing, but they want it all kept secret. With Public funds.

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« Reply #1894 on: May 19, 2022, 05:34:39 PM »
"I have no control over him."

Well, you must have written a really bad contract if you don't have any way to demand his work product. That's not how contracting works. At a minimum it should be a breach of contract and a demand for damages and a return of the taxpayers money.

"In response to another lawsuit, Vos has produced roughly 20,000 deleted records related to the investigation. The case on Wednesday pertained to records held by Gableman."

But trust us, that's the last of the records we deleted! I wonder if Vos was one of the people howling about Clinton's deleted email.

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« Reply #1895 on: May 20, 2022, 10:53:09 AM »
Trump suspected he was going to loose the election and was working on ways to overturn it months before it happened.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-hand-wrote-strategy-notes-142741752.html

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« Reply #1896 on: May 20, 2022, 12:33:54 PM »
Mike Lindell is having a tough week as well.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/judge-sanctions-mypillow-ceo-mike-150326207.html

I truly think this guys end game is to spend all of his money on these frivolous law suits so that there is no money when the defamation suits get found against him.

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« Reply #1897 on: May 25, 2022, 03:16:08 PM »
Republicans continuing their effective campaign to demonstrate election fraud by committing it.

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Five of 10 Republican candidates for the gubernatorial nomination in Michigan are ineligible to appear on the ballot because of invalid signatures on their nominating petitions, the Michigan elections bureau said in a report Monday, upending the race little more than two months before the August primary.

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The elections bureau noted that this level of fraud — both in the number of invalid signatures submitted and the number of campaigns affected — was unprecedented. Some of the fraudulent petition sheets tended to show “no evidence of normal wear,” or showed evidence of having been “round-tabled,” a practice in which each person in a group takes turns signing one line of a petition in an attempt to make the signatures appear authentic, the bureau said.

Unfortunately for them, they are also showing that widespread fraud isn't that hard to detect. I'll be waiting to see the Republicans propose voting restrictions that would stop their fraud, like preventing the use of paid signature gathering. Weird that Breitbart hasn't put this in all caps. I wonder what they'd do if some folks from ACORN had submitted those petitions?

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« Reply #1898 on: May 25, 2022, 03:23:58 PM »
It's not really fraud when white people do it. Especially rich white people like Mark Meadows.  They mean well. And that is what counts. And by meaning well I mean they support Conservative view points.

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« Reply #1899 on: June 10, 2022, 11:28:34 AM »
Well Ivanka thought there was no fraud.  Fairly sure Jared thought there was no fraud.