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General Comments / Re: 2022 Congressional Leadership

« on: November 18, 2022, 11:12:15 AM »

Can the speaker be elected with only plurality? Is the vote just a straight up and down on a proposed candidate or do the representatives vote for a specific person? Like, can a bunch of MAGAs abstaining through the selection to the democrats?

I'm wondering how easy the system makes it British Tory levels of shenanigans.

Speaker requires a majority (218).  The Speaker doesn't even have to be a member of the house.  After the 2020 election, Republicans wondered how they could skew the vote so that Trump could be Speaker.  I think Liz Cheney would be great in that role; Democrats would have to elect her with a few crossover votes from Republicans.  But, since Republicans have no agenda they don't need a Speaker who can do the job, so I think they should consider Kanye.

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General Comments / Re: The Trump Papers

« on: October 01, 2022, 03:34:57 PM »

And I still say that if the President can declassify a document by just saying so, or even thinking so, then he should be able to re-classify a document by the same methods.

So, has anyone asked President Biden if any of ex-President Trump's documents are classified, and were always classified?  And if he says "yes," isn't that the end of the story? 

Or does logic have nothing to do with this line of "reasoning?" 

It's been reported widely that Melania has divorced Trump in her mind hundreds of times already. 

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General Comments / Re: Election Results

« on: July 18, 2022, 05:49:02 PM »

The totality of Trump's lies is being systematically exposed by the January 6 Committee.  To say that Trump is an Emperor-wannabe who has no clothes becomes more distasteful with every image the committee brings forward.  https://www.clevescene.com/cleveland/photos-naked-donald-trump-statue-before-police-hauled-it-away/Slideshow/38343037

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General Comments / Re: coronavirus

« on: September 24, 2021, 02:43:44 PM »

Well boy was I wrong back in late June.  June 23 we hit 600,000 dead. I thought we would not see another 10,000 dead the rest of the year.

We hit 660,000 dead yesterday.  83 days.  I guess we will hit almost 3/4 of a million dead by the end of the year.  I thought we had it beat and then the "Freedom" people decided they wanted to die instead.

Collateral damage and casualties are expected in any war.  This is a war against the democratic institutions of government, so some of these people's family members and neighbors will inevitably suffer. Too bad, but at least they died for a cause.

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General Comments / Re: Second Battle of the Golden Fiddle

« on: January 06, 2021, 09:52:17 AM »

Thank you, Donald Trump!

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General Comments / Re: coronavirus

« on: September 17, 2020, 03:42:02 PM »

The point is a lot of people aren't going to get themselves tested because they aren't willing to go into the full quarantine but if they knew they had it they'd be more careful about their conduct. I mean you're right that if they aren't going to violate their quarantine then they don't have to worry about it. The corollary is that if anyone is hesitant about getting themselves and maybe their families and even some of their friends and coworkers quarantined then their best bet is just not to get tested. And they won't. So how does that help?

The good news is that those people are all Republicans and likely Trump voters.  I'm wondering if it will be a statistically significant component of the election results that he tells them not to vote by mail and some of them will be in the hospital on election day.  Biden's best campaign weapon is Trump, hands down.

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General Comments / Re: read any good books lately?

« on: September 17, 2020, 03:37:19 PM »

I read all of the King, Asimov, Herbert, and Heinlein works when I was young.  I tried revisiting some of the Asimov stuff and I was surprised how clunky the writing was and how flat the characters were.  Rereading some of the Herbert and Heinlein were OK.  OSC's writing that I've reread have held up reasonably well.

I haven't actually read much sci-fi or fantasy over the past years, but going off of TV during the pandemic and cutting way back on Quora and Ornery and other internet stuff, along with fewer social obligation, has freed up a lot of time these past months.

For most of the past 10 years I've mostly been reading non-fiction - histories, science, sociology, philosophy, communication, business management, leadership, health and fitness, nutrition and a handful of biographies of historic Americans and Europeans.

It's best to think of Asimov as a pioneer, rather than an evolutionary disciple.  His works spawned half or more of the best speculative writing in the past 90 years.

Overstory is excellent for all the right reasons.  Well plotted, mysterious, satisfying and relevant.  You can't do more than he tried, and I congratulate him even on the places where he didn't quite succeed.  One of the best reads of the year.

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General Comments / Re: coronavirus

« on: July 08, 2020, 03:38:45 PM »

I suspect even the Trump supporters that lose parents to covid wouldn't hold it against Trump

I think you need to be careful about assigning blame to Trump for this whole situation. Would another President have handled it better? Maybe. Some conservatives here have argued that Biden was saying even worse stuff originally re: travel ban, but let's leave off comparisons and talk about the situation in America. It's no secret that Americans basically hold in contempt 'passive' and 'obedient' populations, nanny states, and authoritarian Asian-style governments. All the ingredients that are needed for people to do what they're told and not deviate are anathema to the American mentality. The entire world knows that Americans are rebellious, willful, and even paranoid about being told what to do. I think "don't tell me what to do!!!" (with all three exclamation points) might be the most accurate slogan for the States. In some respects this is admirable and attracts praise, especially in regard to the American drive for success and freedom. But in other respects it's a giant spectacle of shame as the world listens to news report after news report of Americans failing to be able to do things of basic civic responsibility that would be a no-brainer in Sweden or South Korea. So there are pluses and minuses, and situations where the American mentality has benefits, and others where there are drawbacks. Any situation where you really need people to agree and help each other out in a general cause is going to be a big failure in America, especially right now. The exception is a major war, as all the paranoia makes everyone too scared to go against it.

It is our greatest strength, but also our greatest weakness. But also, a handful of certain other nations also has to be taking note of this and realizing that if our citizenry is more than willing to risk covid19 infection. That it is also reasonable to assume that America retains the ability to become every bit as scary as it has been in the past when it come to numerous other wars in the past. Covid19 still terrifies the CCP and much of the rest of the world, and in the mean time America is just responding to it with a shrug at this point.

That is worse than sad and pathetic.  By your "logic" they'll respect us even more if we park our old and useless generation in parking lots and watch them die, because you have to be *really* strong to do that.  Show 'em how by offing the elders in your family that way.  Our weakness is that we're not willing to do that openly, but just kind of shrug while people die needlessly because we don't have the nerve or discipline to stop the dying.  Prove that you're not one of the weaklings, pick someone and let them die.

This place has a deep sickness.  I'm done posting here.

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General Comments / Re: coronavirus

« on: July 08, 2020, 12:28:13 PM »

Three US states now have more cases being reported than any country in the world.  Other states are close behind.  Being #1 is a good thing?

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General Comments / Re: coronavirus

« on: July 07, 2020, 05:02:33 PM »

¡Viva la revolución!

Brazil's official language is Portuguese

Not por moi.

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General Comments / Re: I love my country, but we're going through a rough patch

« on: July 07, 2020, 05:00:35 PM »

LA began reimposing restrictions before the protests even began.  And you have a big tell, where you like to insert "riots" into every discussion, as if rioting and violent protests are the root of every evil you see.

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General Comments / Re: coronavirus

« on: July 07, 2020, 04:18:34 PM »

¡Viva la revolución!

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General Comments / Re: A Message from the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump:

« on: July 07, 2020, 04:16:58 PM »

In 2015 he wasn't PotUS

He already has: LIBERATE!

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General Comments / Re: I love my country, but we're going through a rough patch

« on: July 07, 2020, 04:16:09 PM »

And weirdly, there is no evidence that the protests have caused a spike in cases anywhere, and certainly not as big an uptick as all of the beach and house parties, weddings and church services have.

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General Comments / Re: I love my country, but we're going through a rough patch

« on: July 07, 2020, 04:13:04 PM »

I think you'll find that a President who presided over widespread rioting and a plague and did precious little to stop either is going to fare poorly in an election.

I'm not so sure. If the death rate doesn't rise with the increase in cases of covid-19 he might wiggle his way out of his poor leadership (it wasn't leadership that many who voted for him and continue to support him care about) 
I might have added hospital being overwhelmed as being a determining factor but I don't thing Trumps core followers will care about that... unless at a individual level they are personally impacted

Even hospitals being overwhelmed may not be too much of an issue as long the Federal Government has resources in place before people die to resource/bed shortages. "ICU's are full" hasn't been that bar since New York.

There also is the aspect where for a lot of Republicans and Libertarians even absent Trump support or lack thereof, will generally view Covid19 handling as primarily a state issue and in that respect, mishandling claims regarding reopening go against the various state governments, not Trump. Trump only factors in once the state is no longer to handle the situation and does or does not get federal medical help at that point.

If it's going to be a state-by-state issue he can kiss Texas and Florida goodbye.  Houston and the hospitals of the Rio Grande valley are at capacity and the latter may need to send new patients elsewhere.  Miami Dade is getting close to hospital capacity and both states are rolling back some of their "freedoms".  It's only going to get worse there and in many other states.  Texas is teetering on the blue edge, and if the coming wave hits "The Villages" in Florida hard, Republicans may lose the state for a generation. The combination of the suffering in those two states might cost them the White House for decades.  Unless, of course, Trump refuses to concede the election.

Have you noticed that almost all of the active threads on Ornery have collapsed into trying to figure out how giant the cluster*censored* for Trump has become?

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General Comments / Re: I love my country, but we're going through a rough patch

« on: July 07, 2020, 03:24:55 PM »

I think the non-fatal effects of COVID will be pretty evident by November. It's not just fatalities but the other permanent consequences of being sick. I have faith the electorate will see the magnitude of Trump's failures and reject him.

Not only the immediate and direct effects of the disease, but the economic malaise and the knock-in effects from the general anxiety of the population.  Some will look up and out beyond the US borders and will see how differently other countries have managed the pandemic.  There's every reason to expect that the US will have one of the highest, if not the highest, impact of any developed country in the world.  With about 85,000 additional deaths directly attributed to C19, the US will likely climb past 5 other countries to have the second highest death rate of any country in the world.  That simple statistic doesn't include the vast number of excess deaths that have already occurred here and the many thousands more that will happen by then.  It also doesn't include the long-term health impairments of people who recover from the disease, or the continuing severe economic impact all of us will suffer.

Gee, I'm not on message...nothing to see here...

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General Comments / Re: coronavirus

« on: July 07, 2020, 02:32:34 PM »

He's a 1%er, he'll get good medical care, unless the doctors decide to let him die and others don't stop them. Their policies could shift regardless if he ends up spending time on a ventilator. He won't be calling the shots at that point.

You can't buy your way out of a fatal response to an illness for which there is no cure and no reliable treatment.  OTOH, if you're right and every "1%er" or leader of a country can buy their way out of dying, then there really should be revolutions in some countries.

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General Comments / Re: coronavirus

« on: July 07, 2020, 01:00:41 PM »

I bet nobody saw this coming: Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro tests positive for COVID-19

It will be interesting to see how this plays out, given his bold statements about how he could shake it off. He's in a medium risk category, getting older but seemingly otherwise healthy. Its likely his case could end up similar to Boris Johnson's, wonder if that will finally change the official policy of his government.

Based on the quality of medical care in Brazil and the UK, if his case is at all similar to Johnson's, he'll die.

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General Comments / Re: coronavirus

« on: July 07, 2020, 08:40:47 AM »

The 7-day moving average for C19 deaths is now at or near its peak spanning March 1 -July 6 in Arizona, California, Florida, South Carolina, Tennessee and Texas.

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General Comments / Re: I love my country, but we're going through a rough patch

« on: July 07, 2020, 06:44:03 AM »

If you watch FOX almost all you hear about is left-wing violence and anarchy, never anything these days about C19, never anything about legitimate social grievances.  They are stoking fears of left-wing revolt and may indeed be hoping that they can provoke a backlash of violence and counter-revolt by what you call short- and long-fuse right-wing viewers. Last night they featured an interview with the couple in the 11,000sf mansion who threatened to shoot mostly black marchers who walked down their street.  They will become heroes on FOX, and I expect to see them on the channel frequently alongside pictures of them holding their weapons.

There are rumbles among thoughtful people from both Parties who are afraid Trump will engineer an emergency requiring him to suspend or invalidate the November election so he can stay in office indefinitely.  He'll need help from Republicans in Congress and the Supreme Court, but some fear that if they don't go along with him that he will simply ignore them.  The leaders of the military are in his pocket now, so martial law is not a far-fetched possibility.

Personally, I don't believe that will happen.  I think he'll simply try to steal the election.  It wouldn't be as much fun as shooting black people and arresting Nancy Pelosi, but it's easier.

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General Comments / Re: coronavirus

« on: July 07, 2020, 06:32:08 AM »

Experts in the US anticipate that Fauci may have been conservative in his estimate that we will reach 100,000 new infections each day.  Cities are running out of tests and hospitals are near or at capacity for C19 patients in a few states, and more will follow.  Now Fauci has been barred from appearing on CNN and MSNBC, and FOX won't invite him.  You know the government is corrupt when no one in the Administration will even talk about it.  Last night he was featured in an interview with Francis Collins, the head of the NIH, which was excerpted on MSNBC.

The Trump Administration is not trying to lower fears about C19, it's trying to make people forget about it, even while scientists and medical experts are saying a second wave is starting even before the first wave has finished.  FEMA has stopped supplying testing supplies to cities that are running out of their current stock, OSHA won't investigate worker safety claims about plants, stores and offices that are forcing employees to work in high risk C19 areas.

Meanwhile, the average age of recent hospital admissions of people with C19 infections has dropped to around 40 or below in many states.  That's not just positive tests.  The Governors of Florida and Texas won't reverse their course to increase public safety measures, and blame the people who are getting sick for following or not following their state guidelines.

What the hell is wrong with these people?

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General Comments / Re: Misleading or false claims by the media

« on: July 06, 2020, 01:55:28 PM »

In fairness, it was an honest mistake like all the others.

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General Comments / Re: DNC on twitter: 4th of July Celebrations glorify white supremacy.. Wait *delete*

« on: July 06, 2020, 11:01:24 AM »

Did I say they didn't have the right? I did not. I'm saying you don't need to threaten to kill somebody, no matter how justifiable, just because they decided to walk down your driveway. I'd personally let someone steal every single thing from my house before I'd end a life over it. I'd let someone spraypaint my garage, tip my car over, and piss in my cheerios and I still wouldn't kill someone over it.

Would you even let them take the crystal ball in your house - the one enabling you to know they'd be friendly while taking these things and wouldn't rape your wife and kill you?

Kill them. Kill them all.

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General Comments / Re: We gotta talk about Uncle Joe

« on: July 06, 2020, 10:59:35 AM »

Totalitaritism is not actually a thing.  It's a cognitive failure connecting ideas to words, usually indicating a lack of understanding of or aversion to the concept the person is trying to express.  Other examples that support this view:

"Discgrace" - referring to members of the non-FOX media and press
"Melanie" - His wife's name
"tarrifs" - referring to relaxing tariffs in discussions with Xi
"Marine Core" - Talking about visiting Marine Corps Miramar base
"dieing mediocre career" - Comment about Alec Baldwin
"President Rajoy" - Referring to Spanish Prime Minister Rajoy; Trump made the mistake twice in the meeting
"Sometimes protest is needed in order to heel,and heel we will!"
"covfefe" - Tweet about negative press coverage he receives

Bonus:

"Promote the possibility of lasting peach" - Israel and Palestinians

There are dozens more.

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General Comments / Re: DNC on twitter: 4th of July Celebrations glorify white supremacy.. Wait *delete*

« on: July 06, 2020, 10:30:27 AM »

It is a nice change from the hyper-partisan atmosphere that CBS and the rest of the MSM wants to push.

Perhaps they should try to be more fair and balanced like FOX.

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General Comments / Re: coronavirus

« on: July 06, 2020, 09:48:17 AM »

The ratio of hospitalizations by age has shifted somewhat dramatically from older patients toward younger ages, from over 50% in April to about 25-30% recently.  Given the way younger people are partying lately, the trend will continue.

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General Comments / Re: DNC on twitter: 4th of July Celebrations glorify white supremacy.. Wait *delete*

« on: July 06, 2020, 09:33:01 AM »

Also on the Boogaloo front:
Compare(1 minute run):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZ3P7Jmv-y4

The CBS station goes to great lengths to make it look right wing by framing and editing their shots to not show the (peaceful) BLM presence among their number. And where couldn't do so, try to claim the BLM presence was there to counter protest(they weren't).
 
Meanwhile The Daily Mail in the UK reports(they also provide 3 minutes of video to support it):
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8490489/Armed-Black-Lives-Matter-activists-right-wing-groups-unite-gun-rights-rally.html

Armed Black Lives Matter activists and right-wing groups came together in Richmond, Virginia on Saturday in a united show of support for the 2nd Amendment at an Open Carry rally.

At least 200 people, the majority proudly toting rifles, semi-automatic weapons and other firearms, gathered outside Capitol Square to protest against gun control and the violation of constitutional rights.

The rally, organized by activist group Virginia Knights, also served as a memorial for Duncan Lemp, a 21-year-old man who was fatally shot in his Maryland home in March during a no-knock police raid. ...

There is a more complete 10 minute video of coverage that was posted to Youtube by Ford Fischer, but they've evidently taken it down for "violating community standards"
https://t.co/W0sPcClrnS?amp=1

Looking for the "root tweet" with a compilation to the various video clips he posted.
Here's one that works, how about some Boogaloo boys joining BLM is a "White Supremacy sucks!" chant: (109 seconds in, in case the time stamped link breaks)
https://youtu.be/IQd-iQC7Uzo?t=109

Why do you have a problem with armed BLM supporters doing exactly what hundreds of armed militia and 2A activists did on Saturday at Gettysburg?

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General Comments / Re: DNC on twitter: 4th of July Celebrations glorify white supremacy.. Wait *delete*

« on: July 06, 2020, 09:30:28 AM »

Thing is, that was a private road the protesters were marching through.

Can you say "Private property" and "trespassing?" Those protesters were not on a public right-of-way. This isn't comparable to someone on your front sidewalk. It is more comparable to someone walking through your backyard, in a neighborhood without alleys.

A private road is not private property.  The marchers did not destroy the iron gates to gain entrance (they were open, as they always are), did not step on anyone's private property, did not approach or threaten the owners of the mansion.  Castle doctrine doesn't require someone to retreat, but that only applies to their privately owned property.

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General Comments / Re: DNC on twitter: 4th of July Celebrations glorify white supremacy.. Wait *delete*

« on: July 06, 2020, 09:11:06 AM »

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/doj-arrests-man-alleged-vandalism-andrew-jackson-statue/story?id=71578899

Jason Charter, who self identifies in social media profiles as a supporter of the anti-fascist movement antifa, was charged Friday with two counts of destruction of federal property based on videos that appear to show him participating in the vandalism of both the statue of Confederate general Albert Pike as well as the Jackson statue.

=https://twitter.com/JasonRCharter/status/1279938763272183811?s=20Jason Charter:

Antifascism is an idea not group. It means to be against fascism. No one can be a leader of a group that does not exist.

No hard evidence of Antifa.

Inciting a riot. Hurling a Molotov cocktail. Plotting to sow destruction. Those are some of the most serious charges brought by federal prosecutors against demonstrators at protests across the country in recent weeks.

But despite cries from President Trump and others in his administration, none of those charged with serious federal crimes amid the unrest have been linked so far to the loose collective of anti-fascist activists known as antifa.

A review of the arrests of dozens of people on federal charges reveals no known effort by antifa to perpetrate a coordinated campaign of violence. Some criminal complaints described vague, anti-government political leanings among suspects, but a majority of the violent acts that have taken place at protests have been attributed by federal prosecutors to individuals with no affiliation to any particular group.

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General Comments / Re: DNC on twitter: 4th of July Celebrations glorify white supremacy.. Wait *delete*

« on: July 06, 2020, 09:02:41 AM »

https://www.ksat.com/news/local/2020/06/06/3-members-of-anti-government-group-antifa-arrested-after-looting-a-target-in-austin-fbi-says/

AUSTIN – Three people have been arrested for looting, burglarizing and damaging property at an Austin Target store, according to the FBI.

The three individuals are known members of the anti-government group ANTIFA, FBI officials said.

And with regards to the Portland "protests" that have been trying to burn down the Federal Building there... Saying those guys aren't likely to be connected to AntiFa is probably quite the stretch goal, given how large their presence is in the area.

A single comment from the FBI is ricocheting around the conservative blogosphere and suddenly Antifa is behind this and other violent events.  I searched google for the names of the three people who were arrested & Antifa and can't find anything.  To be honest, I'm not willing to give full credence to the FBI claim at this point.  I'll need some sort of confirmation that isn't suspect.

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General Comments / Re: DNC on twitter: 4th of July Celebrations glorify white supremacy.. Wait *delete*

« on: July 06, 2020, 08:58:19 AM »

Yeah, maybe 50% of prosecutors might be linked to Soros money.

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General Comments / Re: DNC on twitter: 4th of July Celebrations glorify white supremacy.. Wait *delete*

« on: July 05, 2020, 09:51:04 PM »

I see you're very comfortable in that rabbit hole you're in. Suspected AntiFa members have been getting apprehended, but as they're very good at 5th Generation Warfare, it's very difficult to pin them down as being part of one specific group or another, especially when working off of arrest reports alone. They'll have to be charged and go to trial before many of their affiliations are understood, but as the courts are largely shut down due to Covid19 (convenient that), it's hard to produce any documentation to support it.

This is the same reasoning by which we know Clinton killed Vince Foster, Hillary routes trafficked children through a pizza parlor, Obama was conspiring with the UN to take guns away from all US citizens, and let's toss in every single thought that crosses the minds of people who follow QAnon.  In other words, the reason we know - beyond any doubt - that Antifa exists and is carrying out attacks is because no one ever admits to being party of that ultra-shadowy "organization".  We know it.  WE KNOW IT!  That's how we know it!  Boogaloo?  Not a radical right wing organization, even though they advertise themselves and have identified themselves when they are arrested....just proof that there is a hoax perpetrated by the Communist Network News.

Good grief!

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General Comments / Re: DNC on twitter: 4th of July Celebrations glorify white supremacy.. Wait *delete*

« on: July 05, 2020, 04:18:05 PM »

It's not your document and not yours to defend, but let's move on since you can't set that self-serving righteous indignation aside.  How do you feel about the hundreds of armed 2Aers who showed up at Gettysburg to defend the honor of the Confederacy?  Do they have the right to be vigilantes and shoot people who they think are violating their documents?  FWIW, they were there specifically because of a web hoax alleging that Antifa would be there to damage the place.  As even you have to admit, so far nobody has actually seen any Antifa, but the right keeps using them as a boogeyman to accuse the left of harboring violent intentions.

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General Comments / Re: DNC on twitter: 4th of July Celebrations glorify white supremacy.. Wait *delete*

« on: July 05, 2020, 03:01:30 PM »

Rather than go back and forth, I'll just say that the principles of said document allow and encourage you to feel the pride that you do, despite hardships and maltreatment suffered by your ancestors.  It does not encourage you to disparage or denigrate those who also have suffered and continue to do so despite the principles of said document.  They are not you, and they have grievances that they continue to suffer today because the principles of said document haven't applied as equally to them as they do to you.  In other words, they object because they also believe in those principles.

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General Comments / Re: DNC on twitter: 4th of July Celebrations glorify white supremacy.. Wait *delete*

« on: July 05, 2020, 09:22:05 AM »

You're not American, so you've probably never "properly experienced" a 4th of July celebration. An attack on the 4th of July is an attack on the Declaration of Independence itself, not an attack on Whites, or an attack on the United States itself, or an attack on the people who wrote the document. (And in several cases, their own comments on the subject of Slavery at or near the time -- they weren't happy about Slavery either, even then. Which was way ahead of their time, yes they fell short of where we, and they, would have liked, but they did the best they could.)

Any "Black Community" that feels the 4th "doesn't mean the same thing to them" are quite  frankly idiots and don't know enough about history, or the Declaration of Independence and its drafting. The United States may have the dubious distinction of being one of the last western nations to end the practice of Slavery within its borders, but the United States is also only second to the United Kingdom in its role in helping end the commercial international slave trade, and the resulting consequence of making the practice too expensive for many nations to sustain.

Wow, just wow.  You're not as openly one-sided as wmLambert and Crunch are, but this comment is the sort of thing I would expect them to say.  I am an American, and I resent your attitude that others who have suffered the insults and crimes committed by our government and society over the past 400 years should somehow have the same burnished pride that you have.  I am totally disappointed.

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General Comments / Re: DNC on twitter: 4th of July Celebrations glorify white supremacy.. Wait *delete*

« on: July 05, 2020, 02:52:43 AM »

https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1279399857527181312

https://twitter.com/BBCWorld/status/1279460027644944386

So...?  Trump says protesters are left-wing radical fascists trying to destroy America.  Is he right?

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General Comments / Re: A Message from the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump:

« on: July 04, 2020, 09:56:59 AM »

In any case, they don't know how to party, at least not like the guests at Washington's farewell party did.

The party had roughly 55 guests, which included troops, politicians, friends, and family — along with 16 more people who were working that night, including musicians, servers, and hosts. The details of the night are hazy but the receipt for the night was saved in the First Troop Cavalry archives.

By the end of the night, Washington's party drank: 54 bottle of Madeira wine, 60 bottle of Bordeaux wine, 8 bottles of old stock whiskey, 22 bottles of porter ale, 8 bottles of hard cider, 12 jugs of beer, and 7 large bowls of punch. The staff and musicians also drank 16 bottles of Bordeaux wine, 5 bottles of Madeira wine, and seven bowls of punch.

The bill also includes a tab for many broken glasses, which, adjusted for inflation, equals about $300 worth of reimbursements. The final bill came out to £89 and 4 schillings — or roughly $17,253 in 2018 dollars.

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General Comments / Re: coronavirus

« on: July 04, 2020, 09:20:48 AM »

Researchers not involved in the Henry Ford study pointed out it wasn't of the same quality of the studies showing hydroxychloroquine did not help patients, and said other treatments, such as the use of the steroid dexamethasone, might have accounted for the better survival of some patients.

Sounds like something to ignore.

The CEO of the hospital pointed out that this observational study doesn't contradict other studies done under clinical test procedures, so, no, it's not new, it's not even news.

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General Comments / Re: A Message from the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump:

« on: July 04, 2020, 09:19:21 AM »

Theme parties are popular, especially when groups of teens-early-20's are bored and tired of feeling like they're being too obedient.  I can imagine a party with a nominal theme to come catch C19 with your friends as cover for nothing more than "<wink, wink> Let's get together and party like we wanna do."

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General Comments / Re: coronavirus

« on: July 03, 2020, 02:09:16 PM »

Michigan hospital study shows reduced mortality in hydroxychloroquine study

It's definitely an interesting result - I'm sure there will be much interest raised...

Good news is always welcome, but only after claims like these are verified.

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General Comments / Re: A Message from the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump:

« on: July 03, 2020, 02:07:25 PM »

Not to mention the connection to democrats. Alabama is after a liberal bastion.

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General Comments / Re: A Message from the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump:

« on: July 03, 2020, 07:38:43 AM »

Some health officials warn about an apocalyptic situation where the pandemic continues to accelerate through the US population, while at the same time cases are declining in other countries that took drastic, but in hindsight prescient and responsible measures.  Recent analyses have concluded that at least half of the deaths from C19 in the US didn't have to happen, wouldn't have happened if Trump had recognized the threat for what it was and met it head on.

But C19 is not the apocalypse; the apocalypse has already befallen us.  Everything Trump touches disintegrates. It's not that he has a reverse Midas touch, he's Typhoid Mary and without doubt the stupidest person ever to sit in the Oval Office.  I won't tediously list some of his most egregious disasters he's imposed on the rest of us, because he's not the apocalypse; the apocalypse is the people who haven't and likely won't rise up in anger and frustration about him and make him stop.

They voted for him in the 2016 election and are sticking by him now.  They are his minions in Congress and the Executive who do his bidding regardless of what they are asked to do.  They won't even tell him the truth, because Jack Nicholson was right about him, He Can't Handle The Truth.  They're the ones in the bars in Florida and Texas drinking up a storm without masks because C19 only happens to people who are not part of their lives and are therefore expendable.  They like Trump because he lets them do whatever they want, like delinquent children.  Ironically, Trump is their match, and wittingly or otherwise they are using him to burn down the house that they along with the rest of us live in and are keeping the firemen from putting out the blaze.

We'll all be lucky to get out of this alive.  That's not a joke.

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General Comments / Re: Free speech

« on: July 03, 2020, 03:48:58 AM »

The money quote:

"But as we've said, we make policy changes based on principles, not revenue pressures."

In translation, "As long as we're making a *censored*load of money, we'll do whatever the *censored* we want."

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General Comments / Re: Who will be next to speak out about Trump?

« on: July 03, 2020, 03:46:32 AM »

Former European Council President Donald Tusk wants Joe Biden to be the next U.S. president.

Tusk took to Twitter on Thursday and said

"I’ve always believed in the Republican ideals and greatness of America:as an anti-Communist from “Solidarność”, Polish Prime Minister and as EU President. Reagan was my hero. And I got to know
@realDonaldTrump really well. These are the reasons why I pray for @JoeBiden’s success."
...
During a speech to the U.N. General Assembly in September last year, Tusk said, without mentioning Trump by name: "To protect the truth, it is not enough to accuse others of promoting fake news. Frankly speaking, it would be enough to simply stop lying."

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General Comments / Re: Protestors vs. Rioters

« on: July 02, 2020, 03:57:57 PM »

Oh in a recap of the past week:

5 people have been shot, 2 of whom have died to my knowledge(both black) in the Seattle CHAZ/CHOP area(which has now evidently been shut down)

The "finale event" for the CHOP consisted of the people working "security" for them shooting up a SUV being driven by a black teen(one of the two dead) and his younger brother.

Provo, Utah has arrested a BLM protester for shooting a motorist.

In Louisville, KY a radical (and black) BLM protester having having been asked to leave the protest, returns later that night and opens fire on the gathered protesters, killing a photojournalist and injuring a few others before other people in the protest returned fire and disabled him (good guys with a gun surface)

These are not protesters, but criminals and/or gang bangers.

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General Comments / Re: Who will be next to speak out about Trump?

« on: July 02, 2020, 01:54:21 PM »

And Trump being "an international threat" is a non-factor for most Americans, when their bigger concern is the domestic threat the Democrats seem to want to turn the Federal Government into. They'll take international corruption over more domestic nanny state.

Countries all across Europe did the "nanny state" thing with C19 and their infection, hospitalization and death rates have fallen sharply in every one of them.  You should exclude Sweden, since they only partially nannied themselves and their C19 statistics are worse than those other countries.

I truly don't understand why people feel so strongly about their so-called individual freedoms that they think not getting vaccinated and dying as a result is somehow a badge of honor.  That applies to people who not only won't wear masks but yell at and even attack others who do.  In this case, you may die, but your honor will be even greater if you kill other people in the process.  That's not resisting the "nanny state", it's sheer anti-social insanity.

Republicans should rebrand themselves as the Darwin Party, but not because they buy into the socialist-democrat evolution hoax.  If God wanted us to live past tomorrow he would have given us brains, but instead he gave us chimps as grandparents.

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General Comments / Re: Destruction and theft of cultural heritage

« on: July 02, 2020, 12:10:44 PM »

Perhaps the result of too much imagination on your part and not enough on ours

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General Comments / Re: coronavirus

« on: July 02, 2020, 11:56:08 AM »

More data becoming available on excess deaths.  I won't bother quoting, but will offer that many deaths *not* attributed to COVID-19 infections were nevertheless indirectly the result of the pandemic's impact on medical services.  Overall, there have been about 113,000 excess deaths so far this year that are not included in the C19 total.

If you can't read the article because of paywall restrictions, I'll post it elsewhere.

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General Comments / Re: Destruction and theft of cultural heritage

« on: July 02, 2020, 11:50:38 AM »

It was a joke...

I had prayed for that to be the case <whew!>

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General Comments / Re: Destruction and theft of cultural heritage

« on: July 02, 2020, 11:42:53 AM »

I think we should eliminate all traces of chimpanzees from our society. Humans evolved from them, and as we know chimps are prone to territorial conflict, murder, and toxic masculinity. I don't think we should tolerate living in the shadow of this ugly past either. We can mention them in history books, but there should be no sign in our culture that we are ok with chimps or that zoos support their immoral practices through colorful pictures and positively-framed descriptions.

Good point, except for the minor correction that humans did not evolve from chimps.  In any case, protozoa are the real culprits, so...