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General Comments / Re: Riddle me this:
« on: June 04, 2023, 08:38:55 AM »
After the farmer had a bad harvest, why did he try a career as a musician?
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I dunno about rightleft22, but the person who left this thought experiment on the internet ended up getting a lot of grief.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roko's_basilisk
reminded me of a serious I recently watched - Mrs. Davis
They meant a series, not a serious whatever, and I've looked up the television show. It definitely looks interesting but like so many others, may not be renewed. Standard warnings apply.
Freidan slip??? or not paying attention to spelling - The show was only intended to be a 1 season series. The last episode was a conclusion and not a cliff hanger
I dunno about rightleft22, but the person who left this thought experiment on the internet ended up getting a lot of grief.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roko's_basilisk
reminded me of a serious I recently watched - Mrs. Davis
Okay, I'll stop pretending to be Ephrem.This is a somewhat weird discussion: The tidbits of your personal situation you give, and the *potential* inconsistencies that stand out (you're sterile but have a daughter? You're married 19 years, but your daughter is 20 years old?), kinda feel as if you're deliberately putting them out there so that so that we would prod at them.
(I understand that they're not *necessarily* inconsistencies of course, just your selection of tidbits feels intentionally *seemingly* inconsistent)
It's Pete, he's making it up. I'm going along with it because I'm bored.
Instead, I renounce Mormonism and I pledge my soul to the Eastern Orthodox Church as interpreted by oca.org
Further, I'm getting a divorce and I'll live the rest of my days as a hermit at the North Pole.
That only means I can get arrested for my words. That is fair.You love bullying them online. Gay men are still men, you'd get a punch in the mouth if you ever grew the nuts to try in real life what you pretend to be online.Why?
You think my verbal bullying means I deserve a punch in the mouth?
Anyone in Portland, Oregon? Let's meet at Pioneer Square. Tell me when. I'll be the one screaming "TRANSWOMEN ARE NOT WOMEN".
"Fighting words," are an acknowledged thing in US law.
That does NOT mean that the people I bully have a right to punch me in the mouth. I'm disturbed that you think it does and I guess I shouldn't be.
Mormonism is Satanic.This is a somewhat weird discussion: The tidbits of your personal situation you give, and the *potential* inconsistencies that stand out (you're sterile but have a daughter? You're married 19 years, but your daughter is 20 years old?), kinda feel as if you're deliberately putting them out there so that so that we would prod at them.
(I understand that they're not *necessarily* inconsistencies of course, just your selection of tidbits feels intentionally *seemingly* inconsistent)
It's Pete, he's making it up. I'm going along with it because I'm bored.
This is a somewhat weird discussion: The tidbits of your personal situation you give, and the *potential* inconsistencies that stand out (you're sterile but have a daughter? You're married 19 years, but your daughter is 20 years old?), kinda feel as if you're deliberately putting them out there so that so that we would prod at them.
(I understand that they're not *necessarily* inconsistencies of course, just your selection of tidbits feels intentionally *seemingly* inconsistent)
You love bullying them online. Gay men are still men, you'd get a punch in the mouth if you ever grew the nuts to try in real life what you pretend to be online.Why?
You think my verbal bullying means I deserve a punch in the mouth?
Anyone in Portland, Oregon? Let's meet at Pioneer Square. Tell me when. I'll be the one screaming "TRANSWOMEN ARE NOT WOMEN".
Hot chicks hit on me.No. I will continue to attack people. I refuse to make friends. I will do some bad in my local community.I get tired.I'm interested to hear how you have killed millions of people. Sounds like a lot of work, to be honest."transgender butch lesbian"
I'm sorry, the board caught you muttering something under your breath. Was that response supposed to mean anything to those who don't have a pipeline to your mind?
Go find a genius.
The world is *censored*ty and even a genius probably couldn't fix it. I suggest you stop trying so hard to do so. Stop attacking people, make some friends, and do some good in your local community.
I'm relieved that you couldn't bring evidence of you killing millions, though. I might have had to report that to the mod.
What a lovely person you must be in real life.
Some chicks like to watch men beat up the gays. Not physically, verbally.
That's who I'm after. So that's what I do.
I did but it was a sin. I paid $4000 for two hours with Addison at the Chicken Ranch."I believe that human life is sacred as measured by my own sexual activity which is 100% procreative in nature. You think sex is for fun. Well, I don't. Good luck with that."Josh - "I don't "agree to disagree" with my friends on important topics. That's not an act of friendship."
"I won't be friends with people who disagree with me on spurious things."
Refreshingly honest of you.
What? When did I say the second thing? Who are you quoting?
Sorry, I had been talking with Ephrem so perhaps I went in a bit hard.
I'm honestly confused about your statement that you refuse to agree to disagree with people about "important" things.
Let's go with an easy one. Abortion. You're obviously against it, do you have friends who are okay with it? In that circumstance, do you both agree to disagree, and by that basically don't talk about it, because otherwise you couldn't be friends? That's what I'm getting at here. Your original statement seemed to say you couldn't be friends with people who disagree with you. If I'm wrong, I apologise.
You've never had sex just for fun? Dude, no wonder you're so worked up.
It was good. I went through 17 condoms. I was inside her for ~90% of those two hours. I mean, it was like $33.33 a minute.
I tipped her $400 after.
My conclusion? It was good. Addison was either an actress who knew the Method very well, or, she thought I was cute and really did want to give me the best "girlfriend experience" she could.
But we weren't in love. We weren't praying to create a baby.
So, it was meaningless pleasure.
I'm seeking sex with meaning, that's all. I need a spiritual connection.
And you're the mod, the homeowner, here.QuoteI mean what's up with you people.When a rambling drunk staggers into your backyard and takes a dump next to the grill, it is the homeowner's responsibility to remove him. The guests, in most scenarios, will politely ignore the man and then, when he is gone, speak of him with both disgust and pity.
Do your job, dude.
No. I will continue to attack people. I refuse to make friends. I will do some bad in my local community.I get tired.I'm interested to hear how you have killed millions of people. Sounds like a lot of work, to be honest."transgender butch lesbian"
I'm sorry, the board caught you muttering something under your breath. Was that response supposed to mean anything to those who don't have a pipeline to your mind?
Go find a genius.
The world is *censored*ty and even a genius probably couldn't fix it. I suggest you stop trying so hard to do so. Stop attacking people, make some friends, and do some good in your local community.
I'm relieved that you couldn't bring evidence of you killing millions, though. I might have had to report that to the mod.
"I believe that human life is sacred as measured by my own sexual activity which is 100% procreative in nature. You think sex is for fun. Well, I don't. Good luck with that."Josh - "I don't "agree to disagree" with my friends on important topics. That's not an act of friendship."
"I won't be friends with people who disagree with me on spurious things."
Refreshingly honest of you.
What? When did I say the second thing? Who are you quoting?
Sorry, I had been talking with Ephrem so perhaps I went in a bit hard.
I'm honestly confused about your statement that you refuse to agree to disagree with people about "important" things.
Let's go with an easy one. Abortion. You're obviously against it, do you have friends who are okay with it? In that circumstance, do you both agree to disagree, and by that basically don't talk about it, because otherwise you couldn't be friends? That's what I'm getting at here. Your original statement seemed to say you couldn't be friends with people who disagree with you. If I'm wrong, I apologise.
Josh - "I don't "agree to disagree" with my friends on important topics. That's not an act of friendship."
"I won't be friends with people who disagree with me on spurious things."
Refreshingly honest of you.
What? When did I say the second thing? Who are you quoting?
I get tired.I'm interested to hear how you have killed millions of people. Sounds like a lot of work, to be honest."transgender butch lesbian"
I'm sorry, the board caught you muttering something under your breath. Was that response supposed to mean anything to those who don't have a pipeline to your mind?
Go find a genius.
I'm interested to hear how you have killed millions of people. Sounds like a lot of work, to be honest."transgender butch lesbian"
Your non-answer confirms what I thought. Thankswell what term do you tell your polar opposite non-friends (I just know you don't have enemies; well, maybe me now) to use for you?I am not your friend.I mean what's up with you people.
I'm offered the choice to kill my worst enemy WITH NO CONSEQUENCE, or die, then I choose to die.
Why?
Because I really, really, truly do believe in Heaven.
Heaven will be *better* than this, guaranteed.
I might be wrong about that, but it doesn't matter, and do you know why?
Because I believe in Heaven.
Free Will.
It doesn't matter.
My friend, we understand. As best we can. We just disagree. And we choose not to engage with you on these things. Whatever you have going on in your brain to sort these things out, surely, screaming into the aether on a message board with twenty people on it isn't required to get you to Heaven, yes?
I am, in fact, your enemy; please refer to me as such, thanks.
If you don't bet me $1, you don't understand.
My apologies, I won't call you friend again. I'm a mental health support worker who works with mentally ill people, and somehow you triggered me into using my usual calming phrases. Don't worry, every now and then I run into one who gets upset about being called a friend, as well.
If they object to being called friend or mate, (in the English sense of it being a synonym to friend,) I just call them their name. I'm happy to refer to you using your preferred terms. Do you think that's fair? Referring to people in the way they would like to be referred to?
Unbiased?Nope. I'm done here. If you don't get it, then I concede that I am the one here who is insane.It's like you don't understand blackmail.This is what I think is going on:Imagine that Joe Biden is a puppet controlled by the Rothschilds.There's a non-zero probability that the 2020 Presidential election was stolen.
It'll be pretty interesting if that is proven to be the case.
Could you please define the word stolen here? In context to your comment?
Do you mean there were false ballots? If so, why wasn't that case taken to court, and if it did go to court, what was the result?
I suspect you might be referring to how mass media focused on Trump and his exploits. What I think you're forgetting, due to eight years of a relatively scandal free Obama administration, is that the media has always, since the very beginning, been right up every President's arse. You think CNN declined to cover Paula Jones and Monica Lewinsky? That they *weren't* covering that 24/7?
The social media aspect is new, but not new enough that soulless *censored* on both sides haven't begun making strategies to have Joe SixPack spread their ideas almost as well as a paid commercial, all at the cost of one intern tweeting a few times. How many fat and unhealthy people refused the COVID vaccine and died because their Facebook feed was full of lies? There's an entire subreddit dedicated to documenting it, it's r/HermanCainAward for those interested.
Imagine the Rothschilds have blackmail material on every politician they want to have blackmail material on.
Can you connect the rest of the dots or should I?
No need, I'm aware of conspiracy theories. I just don't believe them. Not to say I don't think billionaire level rich people aren't pulling off some wild BS in the background. Look at Musk manipulating Tesla stocks via Twitter and receiving a half million dollar fine. I just don't think there's an evil world council headed up by Soros or whoever.
Anyway, you never answered the question. Please define the word "stolen," in context to the 2020 election. I, and others, genuinely don't know what you mean by that.
The richest family in the world is necessarily non-Christian.
Non-Christians have an endless number of boundaries to push that Christians do not.
For example: non-Christians, if their survival depends on it, will kill the innocent.
The richest family in the world is smarter than me.
The richest family in the world knows how to "steal" an election if their survival depends on it.
"Stolen" in this context, is, admittedly, difficult.
For example: what would have been the outcome of the election if the Steele Dossier never existed?
What if also, the CIA validated Hunter Biden's laptop as really his?
Votes can be stolen through lies, by tricking the non-critical thinkers, and there's a *lot* of them.
Ballots needn't be involved.
Brainwashing is sufficient to "steal" an election.
Hmm.
Is this theory similar to the one where the FBI announced an investigation into H.Clinton's emails that ultimately turned out to be nothing, just before a presidential election that she barely lost?
Perhaps the governmental organizations learned their lessons from *that* mistake and weren't eager to replicate it four years on.
Do you understand blackmail?
I do understand the concept of blackmail. Could you please explain, in full detail, what you think has happened in this situation? Instead of just giving us vague implications?
Insane is an ugly word, full of implications. I think you could benefit from reaching out and talking to unbiased people, who have qualifications to help people feel better about themselves and their situation. I hope you do so.
Do you mean, agnostic?
I like agnostics.
When I ask agnostics hot-button questions (like, "are transwomen women?") they say "I don't know" and they mean it.
I like those kinds of people don't you?
No. No, you don't.
well what term do you tell your polar opposite non-friends (I just know you don't have enemies; well, maybe me now) to use for you?I am not your friend.I mean what's up with you people.
I'm offered the choice to kill my worst enemy WITH NO CONSEQUENCE, or die, then I choose to die.
Why?
Because I really, really, truly do believe in Heaven.
Heaven will be *better* than this, guaranteed.
I might be wrong about that, but it doesn't matter, and do you know why?
Because I believe in Heaven.
Free Will.
It doesn't matter.
My friend, we understand. As best we can. We just disagree. And we choose not to engage with you on these things. Whatever you have going on in your brain to sort these things out, surely, screaming into the aether on a message board with twenty people on it isn't required to get you to Heaven, yes?
I am, in fact, your enemy; please refer to me as such, thanks.
If you don't bet me $1, you don't understand.
My apologies, I won't call you friend again. I'm a mental health support worker who works with mentally ill people, and somehow you triggered me into using my usual calming phrases. Don't worry, every now and then I run into one who gets upset about being called a friend, as well.
Nope. I'm done here. If you don't get it, then I concede that I am the one here who is insane.It's like you don't understand blackmail.This is what I think is going on:Imagine that Joe Biden is a puppet controlled by the Rothschilds.There's a non-zero probability that the 2020 Presidential election was stolen.
It'll be pretty interesting if that is proven to be the case.
Could you please define the word stolen here? In context to your comment?
Do you mean there were false ballots? If so, why wasn't that case taken to court, and if it did go to court, what was the result?
I suspect you might be referring to how mass media focused on Trump and his exploits. What I think you're forgetting, due to eight years of a relatively scandal free Obama administration, is that the media has always, since the very beginning, been right up every President's arse. You think CNN declined to cover Paula Jones and Monica Lewinsky? That they *weren't* covering that 24/7?
The social media aspect is new, but not new enough that soulless *censored* on both sides haven't begun making strategies to have Joe SixPack spread their ideas almost as well as a paid commercial, all at the cost of one intern tweeting a few times. How many fat and unhealthy people refused the COVID vaccine and died because their Facebook feed was full of lies? There's an entire subreddit dedicated to documenting it, it's r/HermanCainAward for those interested.
Imagine the Rothschilds have blackmail material on every politician they want to have blackmail material on.
Can you connect the rest of the dots or should I?
No need, I'm aware of conspiracy theories. I just don't believe them. Not to say I don't think billionaire level rich people aren't pulling off some wild BS in the background. Look at Musk manipulating Tesla stocks via Twitter and receiving a half million dollar fine. I just don't think there's an evil world council headed up by Soros or whoever.
Anyway, you never answered the question. Please define the word "stolen," in context to the 2020 election. I, and others, genuinely don't know what you mean by that.
The richest family in the world is necessarily non-Christian.
Non-Christians have an endless number of boundaries to push that Christians do not.
For example: non-Christians, if their survival depends on it, will kill the innocent.
The richest family in the world is smarter than me.
The richest family in the world knows how to "steal" an election if their survival depends on it.
"Stolen" in this context, is, admittedly, difficult.
For example: what would have been the outcome of the election if the Steele Dossier never existed?
What if also, the CIA validated Hunter Biden's laptop as really his?
Votes can be stolen through lies, by tricking the non-critical thinkers, and there's a *lot* of them.
Ballots needn't be involved.
Brainwashing is sufficient to "steal" an election.
Hmm.
Is this theory similar to the one where the FBI announced an investigation into H.Clinton's emails that ultimately turned out to be nothing, just before a presidential election that she barely lost?
Perhaps the governmental organizations learned their lessons from *that* mistake and weren't eager to replicate it four years on.
Do you understand blackmail?
I do understand the concept of blackmail. Could you please explain, in full detail, what you think has happened in this situation? Instead of just giving us vague implications?
It's like you don't understand blackmail.This is what I think is going on:Imagine that Joe Biden is a puppet controlled by the Rothschilds.There's a non-zero probability that the 2020 Presidential election was stolen.
It'll be pretty interesting if that is proven to be the case.
Could you please define the word stolen here? In context to your comment?
Do you mean there were false ballots? If so, why wasn't that case taken to court, and if it did go to court, what was the result?
I suspect you might be referring to how mass media focused on Trump and his exploits. What I think you're forgetting, due to eight years of a relatively scandal free Obama administration, is that the media has always, since the very beginning, been right up every President's arse. You think CNN declined to cover Paula Jones and Monica Lewinsky? That they *weren't* covering that 24/7?
The social media aspect is new, but not new enough that soulless *censored* on both sides haven't begun making strategies to have Joe SixPack spread their ideas almost as well as a paid commercial, all at the cost of one intern tweeting a few times. How many fat and unhealthy people refused the COVID vaccine and died because their Facebook feed was full of lies? There's an entire subreddit dedicated to documenting it, it's r/HermanCainAward for those interested.
Imagine the Rothschilds have blackmail material on every politician they want to have blackmail material on.
Can you connect the rest of the dots or should I?
No need, I'm aware of conspiracy theories. I just don't believe them. Not to say I don't think billionaire level rich people aren't pulling off some wild BS in the background. Look at Musk manipulating Tesla stocks via Twitter and receiving a half million dollar fine. I just don't think there's an evil world council headed up by Soros or whoever.
Anyway, you never answered the question. Please define the word "stolen," in context to the 2020 election. I, and others, genuinely don't know what you mean by that.
The richest family in the world is necessarily non-Christian.
Non-Christians have an endless number of boundaries to push that Christians do not.
For example: non-Christians, if their survival depends on it, will kill the innocent.
The richest family in the world is smarter than me.
The richest family in the world knows how to "steal" an election if their survival depends on it.
"Stolen" in this context, is, admittedly, difficult.
For example: what would have been the outcome of the election if the Steele Dossier never existed?
What if also, the CIA validated Hunter Biden's laptop as really his?
Votes can be stolen through lies, by tricking the non-critical thinkers, and there's a *lot* of them.
Ballots needn't be involved.
Brainwashing is sufficient to "steal" an election.
Hmm.
Is this theory similar to the one where the FBI announced an investigation into H.Clinton's emails that ultimately turned out to be nothing, just before a presidential election that she barely lost?
Perhaps the governmental organizations learned their lessons from *that* mistake and weren't eager to replicate it four years on.
Do you understand blackmail?
I am not your friend.I mean what's up with you people.
I'm offered the choice to kill my worst enemy WITH NO CONSEQUENCE, or die, then I choose to die.
Why?
Because I really, really, truly do believe in Heaven.
Heaven will be *better* than this, guaranteed.
I might be wrong about that, but it doesn't matter, and do you know why?
Because I believe in Heaven.
Free Will.
It doesn't matter.
My friend, we understand. As best we can. We just disagree. And we choose not to engage with you on these things. Whatever you have going on in your brain to sort these things out, surely, screaming into the aether on a message board with twenty people on it isn't required to get you to Heaven, yes?
I am, in fact, your enemy; please refer to me as such, thanks.
If you don't bet me $1, you don't understand.
This is what I think is going on:Imagine that Joe Biden is a puppet controlled by the Rothschilds.There's a non-zero probability that the 2020 Presidential election was stolen.
It'll be pretty interesting if that is proven to be the case.
Could you please define the word stolen here? In context to your comment?
Do you mean there were false ballots? If so, why wasn't that case taken to court, and if it did go to court, what was the result?
I suspect you might be referring to how mass media focused on Trump and his exploits. What I think you're forgetting, due to eight years of a relatively scandal free Obama administration, is that the media has always, since the very beginning, been right up every President's arse. You think CNN declined to cover Paula Jones and Monica Lewinsky? That they *weren't* covering that 24/7?
The social media aspect is new, but not new enough that soulless *censored* on both sides haven't begun making strategies to have Joe SixPack spread their ideas almost as well as a paid commercial, all at the cost of one intern tweeting a few times. How many fat and unhealthy people refused the COVID vaccine and died because their Facebook feed was full of lies? There's an entire subreddit dedicated to documenting it, it's r/HermanCainAward for those interested.
Imagine the Rothschilds have blackmail material on every politician they want to have blackmail material on.
Can you connect the rest of the dots or should I?
No need, I'm aware of conspiracy theories. I just don't believe them. Not to say I don't think billionaire level rich people aren't pulling off some wild BS in the background. Look at Musk manipulating Tesla stocks via Twitter and receiving a half million dollar fine. I just don't think there's an evil world council headed up by Soros or whoever.
Anyway, you never answered the question. Please define the word "stolen," in context to the 2020 election. I, and others, genuinely don't know what you mean by that.
The richest family in the world is necessarily non-Christian.
Non-Christians have an endless number of boundaries to push that Christians do not.
For example: non-Christians, if their survival depends on it, will kill the innocent.
The richest family in the world is smarter than me.
The richest family in the world knows how to "steal" an election if their survival depends on it.
"Stolen" in this context, is, admittedly, difficult.
For example: what would have been the outcome of the election if the Steele Dossier never existed?
What if also, the CIA validated Hunter Biden's laptop as really his?
Votes can be stolen through lies, by tricking the non-critical thinkers, and there's a *lot* of them.
Ballots needn't be involved.
Brainwashing is sufficient to "steal" an election.
I mean what's up with you people.
I'm offered the choice to kill my worst enemy WITH NO CONSEQUENCE, or die, then I choose to die.
Why?
Because I really, really, truly do believe in Heaven.
Heaven will be *better* than this, guaranteed.
I might be wrong about that, but it doesn't matter, and do you know why?
Because I believe in Heaven.
Free Will.
It doesn't matter.
note: according to Google Trends, the most times "Rothschilds" has been searched for since 2004 was in November 2016.
hmmmmm
Imagine that Joe Biden is a puppet controlled by the Rothschilds.There's a non-zero probability that the 2020 Presidential election was stolen.
It'll be pretty interesting if that is proven to be the case.
Could you please define the word stolen here? In context to your comment?
Do you mean there were false ballots? If so, why wasn't that case taken to court, and if it did go to court, what was the result?
I suspect you might be referring to how mass media focused on Trump and his exploits. What I think you're forgetting, due to eight years of a relatively scandal free Obama administration, is that the media has always, since the very beginning, been right up every President's arse. You think CNN declined to cover Paula Jones and Monica Lewinsky? That they *weren't* covering that 24/7?
The social media aspect is new, but not new enough that soulless *censored* on both sides haven't begun making strategies to have Joe SixPack spread their ideas almost as well as a paid commercial, all at the cost of one intern tweeting a few times. How many fat and unhealthy people refused the COVID vaccine and died because their Facebook feed was full of lies? There's an entire subreddit dedicated to documenting it, it's r/HermanCainAward for those interested.
Imagine the Rothschilds have blackmail material on every politician they want to have blackmail material on.
Can you connect the rest of the dots or should I?
There's a non-zero probability that the 2020 Presidential election was stolen.
It'll be pretty interesting if that is proven to be the case.
I wonder which bathroom Mrs Doubtfire used in public?
What could possibly give a man more power than to be infallible about faith and morals?
Why should being correct about moral issues make you powerful? It just makes you correct. If he does have worldly power it comes from administrative organization, not from his knowledge of the teachings of the Church.QuoteIf one man and only one man has the power to decide "faith and morals" then what happens to those who disagree with him?
Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Ever heard that?
He doesn't have the power to decide it. It is his job to teach a series of facts, and to work along with others to glean more and more from them.
I would like to point out that you are arguing from a position of profound ignorance, which in itself is ok, except that you accompany it with arrogant certainty. Rather than being vexing, I must admit I just find it boring.
In the hypothetical universe that your God doesn't exist, does homosexuality remain "evil" or not?
In a hypothetical universe where triangles have four sides, what is the sum of the interior angles of a triangle?
:SHRUG:. It's a nonsensical question.
God exists. The existence of the universe as we know it implies the existence of a God which is eternal, unchanging, perfect, good and so on. I can't imagine a Universe like this one that doesn't have God. That universe wouldn't make any sense at all; things wouldn't happen for reasons, our senses wouldn't be able to tell us about reality, and so on.
If your question is: Does morality depend epistemologically on God? Yes, God is the fundamental source of all of reality, including morality.
Sakeriver. They closed down a few years ago.
That's because raising taxes doesn't necessarily mean more money coming into the government. Like Princess Leia Organa told the Grand Moff when he threatened to raise her taxes because she was the 1%: "The more you tighten your grip, Tarkin, the more my money will slip through your fingers."
Raising corporate taxes just means inflation goes up as they raise their prices. ChatGPT just told me that the national debt doesn't directly drive food price inflation but I'm not sure I'm buying it. We know the trouble with out of control national debts is money printing and inflation and we know we've already seen a lot of that here. It's not a coincidence. We want to talk about the problems of default but we shouldn't ignore the cracks in the system we're seeing right now such as with food price inflation. That's hitting people right in the gut, literally, and poor people who are already having trouble eating healthfully most of all.
I'll put it this way.
If a default is the only way to start getting the national debt paid off then a default is the less of two evils.
A default is orders of magnitude less damaging to the country and the world than a U.S. national debt of a hundred trillion dollars in thirty years of so.
We should make our stand now and not leave it for our children and grandchildren. We should say this is the debt limit. No further. The buck stops with us.
As for economists, insert your random economist joke here...
Why did the economist become a stand-up comedian?
Because they realized their economic forecasts were a joke.
If Republicans were serious about the debt they would accept tax increases to go along with spending cuts.
Attacking the problem from both directions is the responsible way to do it.