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General Comments / Re: covid-19 outside the US

« on: August 03, 2020, 08:50:18 PM »

Didn't even realise cruise ships were still a thing, guess I had assumed they were all shut down.

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General Comments / Re: coronavirus

« on: July 30, 2020, 11:52:10 AM »

Well Trump's Tulsa rally has claimed one of his supporters.

Herman Cain just died from Covid-19 that he most likely caught at the Trump Tulsa rally.

https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/herman-cain-dead-covid-143229190.html

Eh can't really figure in anyone who dies from a strong cold, that's what covid is right? What they all told me.

Shoot. Conservative or not the man was an icon. Sorry he's gone.

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General Comments / Re: A Message from the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump:

« on: June 06, 2020, 05:36:23 PM »

There's a link to the full transcript in here: https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/06/trump-george-floyd-in-heaven-pleased-with-trump-administrations-record.html

Transcript: https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/donald-trump-press-conference-transcript-on-jobs-report

It doesn't seem to be quite as bad as some people are making it out to be employment numbers but it's a pretty stupid thing to say.

Yeah, we kind of expect Trump to say dumb things at this point but I'm not a fan of selective editing, whether it's done by the D's  or the R's.

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General Comments / Re: Protestors vs. Rioters

« on: June 06, 2020, 05:15:52 PM »

ScottF

The issue being put forth is how minorities face disproportionate attention and response from a police force that has an aggressive and arrogant culture that also kills innocent whites.

That perhaps both the racial bias and the police culture issue  are something that should be looked at.

I'm kind of skeptical that you didn't actually get that, but on the off chance you didn't, that's the entire point of peaceful protests.

Some hippie inconvienced you with a sign somewhere, it annoyed you, and you went out asking questions on why they're doing it. You got an answer whether you agree or not. And that's why protestors shut down roads.

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General Comments / Re: George Floyd

« on: June 04, 2020, 06:46:08 PM »

I actually agree with you here. In my opinion, the charge should have been manslaughter. I've got no reason to believe that Chauvin was trying to kill him. Rather, it was depraved indifference in regard to his actions that ended up killing someone, when a normal person would have stepped back and said, "Oh, I shouldn't do this, it might kill them."

It's like drunk driving. We do charge them with manslaughter when they kill someone, but it's because despite the fact they drove home drunk 100 times before and didn't kill anyone a reasonable person would look on their actions and agree that they should have known their actions *could* kill someone.

He doesn't have to be trying to kill him, the second degree count is based on it happening accidentally during the commission of a felony as I understand it. The felony is the degree of assault.

Minnesota code for MURDER IN THE SECOND DEGREE. Emphasis theirs, I just don't want to retype it. Subd. 1 does indeed talk about intentional murders, but this is the applicable one.

Subd. 2.Unintentional murders. Whoever does either of the following is guilty of unintentional murder in the second degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 40 years:
(1) causes the death of a human being, without intent to effect the death of any person, while committing or attempting to commit a felony offense other than criminal sexual conduct in the first or second degree with force or violence or a drive-by shooting; or

(2) causes the death of a human being without intent to effect the death of any person, while intentionally inflicting or attempting to inflict bodily harm upon the victim, when the perpetrator is restrained under an order for protection and the victim is a person designated to receive protection under the order. As used in this clause, "order for protection" includes an order for protection issued under chapter 518B; a harassment restraining order issued under section 609.748; a court order setting conditions of pretrial release or conditions of a criminal sentence or juvenile court disposition; a restraining order issued in a marriage dissolution action; and any order issued by a court of another state or of the United States that is similar to any of these orders.

Yeah, seeing the statutes in Minnesota I can see where it's getting a bit sticky.

I've always thought murder one was "I'm going to kill someone next week," and then they go through with it.

Murder two was a bar fight or someone walking in on their spouse in bed with someone else and doing something unfortunate in the heat of the moment.

And manslaughter/murder 3 basically being what I described above. I'm understanding if the actual state laws make that more complicated.

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General Comments / Re: George Floyd

« on: June 04, 2020, 04:55:08 PM »

I actually agree with you here. In my opinion, the charge should have been manslaughter. I've got no reason to believe that Chauvin was trying to kill him. Rather, it was depraved indifference in regard to his actions that ended up killing someone, when a normal person would have stepped back and said, "Oh, I shouldn't do this, it might kill them."

It's like drunk driving. We do charge them with manslaughter when they kill someone, but it's because despite the fact they drove home drunk 100 times before and didn't kill anyone a reasonable person would look on their actions and agree that they should have known their actions *could* kill someone.

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General Comments / Re: Protestors vs. Rioters

« on: June 04, 2020, 04:40:37 PM »

I'm not surprised there are members between all three groups. Leftist ideology is leftist ideology. I only wish I had the spare money to be able to bop around helping them all, but at the same time I'm unsuprised that there are young rich people with time and money to spare.

I'll ask again, where are you getting this information about shadowy cabals and Soros being literally Satan. I'm asking in good faith. Even if I disagree with it in the end (and I definitely do now,) I'm willing to look at your sources with an open mind.

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General Comments / Re: Protestors vs. Rioters

« on: June 04, 2020, 04:16:12 PM »

So...look. From my side of things, I don't mind Black Lives Matter. There's that instinctual part of me that because I'm white I start to get annoyed, but then I remember the name isn't about excluding whites, but drawing attention to black people's lives who were unnecessarily cut short by police interaction.

Antifa, I get there are some people doing bad things in it's name out there, but at the end of the day it's a really broad movement like 4chan's Anonymous. There is no central command, there is no one set of things that we can possibly hold them all accountable for.

And Occupy Wall Street...refresh my memory, but weren't they just a bunch of younguns/hippies that set up camps to inconvenience the money changers trying to make their way to the temple to do their business? What did they do to offend you so much you'd bring them back up like fifteen years later? Is it the idea behind the movement? Do you perhaps disagree with the metrics showing that the rich are getting richer, the poor are getting poorer, and the middle class is diminishing?

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General Comments / Re: George Floyd

« on: June 04, 2020, 04:02:05 PM »

I get what you're saying and I appreciate the response, but I'm not seeing much of a grey zone here. The guy was handcuffed, face down on the pavement, for nine minutes minimum with Chauvin's knee pressing into his neck. Grey zones are, to my understanding, supposed to revolve around areas of uncertainty. There was nothing uncertain about whether Floyd was safely contained and under arrest. This is so apparent that even the conservatives (no offense) have been out there saying that yeah, this was outrageous.

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General Comments / Re: George Floyd

« on: June 03, 2020, 05:36:42 PM »

On the subject of Floyd and his death.

Can we put this to bed and all agree that neither side is going to ever going to accept the other's, and will think anyone who disagrees with them is either a radical commie or a Hitler worshipper?

We don't know all the facts yet, but from what's out there at the moment looks like the guy was high as *censored* and yet also had some dickhole lean his bodyweight on his neck for nine minutes. Plenty of evidence out there for any and everyone to feed their predecided opinions.

What I will say is this. In my job over here I've got something called duty of care. There's bound to be something similar in the States, might go by a different name though. What it means is if someone is in your care or custody, you have a duty to safeguard their well being because of the very nature of your control over them. And that's why I'm coming down hard, 100 percent, against the officers who were present when Floyd was arrested.

High he might have been, but they had him securely restrained. If they knew he was high, that makes it even worse.

What do you mean? I think very nearly everyone agreed that Floyd's death was a criminal act and called for the officer involved to be prosecuted. The officer was quickly fired, charged, and arrested. Floyd's death clearly had something to do with his health and drug abuse but it was Chauvin that did it and he's going down for it. You'd have to look pretty hard to find someone that doesn't support that course of action - it was an incredibly bi-partisan moment.

Where there's disagreement is allowing rampant rioting and looting under the guise of "protest".

What I mean is, he was securely retained. At that point, his health, under duty of care, does not just become Chauvin's problem. It was all of the police officer's. It became their duty.

If they are going to detain him and restrain his rights, then they also need to take care of his health. Is this not fair play?

They didn't actually drop the knee, but they were there and they *could* have stopped it. That becomes a thing, legally. Most especially if you have that duty of care. Again, Crunch is starting to act like it's not a thing in the States, is it a thing there?

Ya know, maybe he was high. Maybe he was just some drugged up person from the wrong side of the tracks.

Doesn't matter. The same laws the same white people laid down, those cops are still guilty.

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General Comments / Re: Protestors vs. Rioters

« on: June 03, 2020, 05:17:55 PM »

What's even worse is people read and listen to this Hannity/Maddow newspaper.

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General Comments / Re: Protestors vs. Rioters

« on: June 03, 2020, 05:16:12 PM »

Want to reiterate that the Daily Mail is the yellowest of yellow journalism. Ya'll don't know what it's like until you move here. It's like the Hannity/Maddow newspaper on display right there when you're just trying to buy coffee and maybe some smokes on the way to work.

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General Comments / Re: Protestors vs. Rioters

« on: June 03, 2020, 03:02:14 PM »

The new observation is that the Soros-funded activists are well-organized

You could save a lot of space on these threads if every time you want to point out how evil Democrats are and how blessed and saintly Republicans are you just posted:

SOROS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We'd all get your point.

Your call. You want to go there: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQl_bV1uXLE

George Soros has transferred $18 Billion to his Open Society Foundation to support his political goals. Black Lives matter, AntiFa, Occupy Wallstreet, ...who doesn't he support?

Of course not all of that $18 billion goes to paying activists - much goes to the media to make sure all opposition is tainted as conspiracy theory. Look at the internet, the first two dozen search engines all return the verdict of how saintly Soros is, and how everyone against him is the problem. You stand where you stand, but accept the position you put yourself in. And yes, Soros is an owner of that Wuhan lab that started the Coronavirus. But, so is Bill Gates.

Cool, coo coo coo co cool.

So, Soros is the devil. Perhaps because he put a lot of money , and hey look, so did Gates and others. Assuming in this paradigm they're evil as well.

Look, I have tried to be pretty equal regarding political speak. I'm a little commie sometimes, other times I machine gun off the liberals.

I'm asking you right now, not as an Ornery guy who you would feel comfortable asking others who wanted you to die to go suck your dick, what's your issue with Soros? Why do you keep bringing him up? You always do it, why? We're honestly all curious, just please answer for once in your life.

Soros. What's your deal?

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General Comments / Re: Protestors vs. Rioters

« on: June 03, 2020, 02:13:15 PM »

I'll interrupt everyone talking past each other to confess to a rather disheartening bit of bias on my part that just got shoved in my face.

The murder of Dorn was brought up above, and I admit my instinctive reaction to hearing about this old retired police captain from Missouri was to assume that he'd probably roughed up a few minorities in his time as well.

And then the links were provided (I would have Googled it but I was playing catch up) and it turns out he was beloved by the community and his colleagues, he tried his best to help youths before they irrevocably went down a bad path, and, yes, he was a black man.

So I'm playing the self reflection game on what my first reactions to things are based on at the moment.

Good call. When I posted the news that Dorne had not been mentioned by anyone except Fox - it was accurate. When Fox did a Lexis-Nexis search and found no other network had covered it, it was accurate. It is evident that the search engines lit up and the word got back to those complicit Democrat apologists, because they then started covering it as if their earlier silence never happened.

The new observation is that the Soros-funded activists are well-organized: https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/06/must-see-exclusive-mysterious-stacks-bricks-delivered-numerous-us-cities-evidence-riots-organized/

Is there any doubt that someone is orchestrating it all?

Thank you so much for that heartfelt bit of encouragement.

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General Comments / Re: George Floyd

« on: June 03, 2020, 12:40:35 PM »

On the subject of Floyd and his death.

Can we put this to bed and all agree that neither side is going to ever going to accept the other's, and will think anyone who disagrees with them is either a radical commie or a Hitler worshipper?

We don't know all the facts yet, but from what's out there at the moment looks like the guy was high as *censored* and yet also had some dickhole lean his bodyweight on his neck for nine minutes. Plenty of evidence out there for any and everyone to feed their predecided opinions.

What I will say is this. In my job over here I've got something called duty of care. There's bound to be something similar in the States, might go by a different name though. What it means is if someone is in your care or custody, you have a duty to safeguard their well being because of the very nature of your control over them. And that's why I'm coming down hard, 100 percent, against the officers who were present when Floyd was arrested.

High he might have been, but they had him securely restrained. If they knew he was high, that makes it even worse.

What do you mean? I think very nearly everyone agreed that Floyd's death was a criminal act and called for the officer involved to be prosecuted. The officer was quickly fired, charged, and arrested. Floyd's death clearly had something to do with his health and drug abuse but it was Chauvin that did it and he's going down for it. You'd have to look pretty hard to find someone that doesn't support that course of action - it was an incredibly bi-partisan moment.

Where there's disagreement is allowing rampant rioting and looting under the guise of "protest".

Look, I am absolutely not disagreeing that the riots or other disorder are justified. The people doing that are idiots hoping to take advantage.

It's about all the incidents that didn't necessarily end in death. It's about the things that weren't caught on camera. What the people protesting have experienced or heard about.

There is never an excuse for violent rioting. End of. I'm there with you. On the other hand, judiciously used legal protesting, I feel, should be supported.

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General Comments / Re: Free speech

« on: June 03, 2020, 11:00:30 AM »

Twitter just banned an account called Antifa America for threating to go to the suburbs and take what's ours. Meanwhile thousands of conservatives are advocating shooting rioters, including Trump. Tell me again how twitter is all about silencing conservatives. For what it's worth, I agree with the ban.

This was a fake account and post by a white nationalist group. It's obvious that there are efforts to stir up far right anti-left actions.

That is very troubling social/white

The apparent targeting of media by the police during the protests should also be a concern to everyone concerned with free speech.
When leadership paints the media as any enemy of the people one wonders if the police are embolden to reinterpret what it means to serve and protect.
The power this administration is attempting to place into the hands of a few is very troubling.

Honestly? I kind of feel that the police who are being ordered from on high to march out there and quell the protests are having a really bad week.

I think their treatment of journalists is yet another strike against police culture, and it certainly should not be excused or ignored, but police are people, they're not robots. I find it helpful to put myself in their shoes and wonder just what would make me act like such an *censored*. And if there is something to be done to remove that influence on them.

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General Comments / Re: George Floyd

« on: June 03, 2020, 10:50:39 AM »

On the subject of Floyd and his death.

Can we put this to bed and all agree that neither side is going to ever going to accept the other's, and will think anyone who disagrees with them is either a radical commie or a Hitler worshipper?

We don't know all the facts yet, but from what's out there at the moment looks like the guy was high as *censored* and yet also had some dickhole lean his bodyweight on his neck for nine minutes. Plenty of evidence out there for any and everyone to feed their predecided opinions.

What I will say is this. In my job over here I've got something called duty of care. There's bound to be something similar in the States, might go by a different name though. What it means is if someone is in your care or custody, you have a duty to safeguard their well being because of the very nature of your control over them. And that's why I'm coming down hard, 100 percent, against the officers who were present when Floyd was arrested.

High he might have been, but they had him securely restrained. If they knew he was high, that makes it even worse.

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General Comments / Re: Protestors vs. Rioters

« on: June 03, 2020, 10:36:56 AM »

I'll interrupt everyone talking past each other to confess to a rather disheartening bit of bias on my part that just got shoved in my face.

The murder of Dorn was brought up above, and I admit my instinctive reaction to hearing about this old retired police captain from Missouri was to assume that he'd probably roughed up a few minorities in his time as well.

And then the links were provided (I would have Googled it but I was playing catch up) and it turns out he was beloved by the community and his colleagues, he tried his best to help youths before they irrevocably went down a bad path, and, yes, he was a black man.

So I'm playing the self reflection game on what my first reactions to things are based on at the moment.

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General Comments / Re: George Floyd

« on: June 01, 2020, 05:05:23 AM »

Come on, guys.

Donald, Crunch had eventually managed to communicate what he meant.

Crunch, Donald made a point and ya shouldn't have ignored it.

Can we all put the tools and tape measures away and be friends again?

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General Comments / Re: George Floyd

« on: May 30, 2020, 06:48:10 PM »

Just for sake of argument, how many people are killed by police officers every year?

And I’d also point out that it’s likely many of those are justified so it’d be nice to know many are justified and how many are not. If the point is that police are really bloodthirsty murderers praying on the innocent, how many innocents are they killing?

It's like midnight here so I need to piss off soon.  And also...I don't know, prove me wrong, but from Google says the US of A executes between 1000 and 1200 people every year in the field via gunshot. Or course, execution via firing squadron is outdated but...

Yeah, I'm quite sure a whole lot *were* justified and we could all dance around the corpses. The ones who weren't are a concern, and also the overwatch.m

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General Comments / Re: George Floyd

« on: May 30, 2020, 06:30:38 PM »

By absurd amount I mean the amount of Americans being killed by police officers, white or black. Because the cops have been trained to jump at shadows and to shoot to kill at any little thing.

Do you disagree that that's how it is?

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General Comments / Re: Protestors vs. Rioters

« on: May 30, 2020, 06:22:47 PM »

I apparently leaped too quickly. My apologies.

Apology accepted , God knows I've played Internet dumbass before reading posts too quickly and looking for a clever response. I only interact here sporadically but I'm always reading and I appreciate your view.

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General Comments / Re: George Floyd

« on: May 30, 2020, 06:14:22 PM »

Two things, Crunch.

Do you acknowledge that regardless of race, given the absurd amount of deaths via police that there might be an issue with how the police are doing things?

Second, the more white people number sounds good on the face of it, but can you acknowledge the idea of ratios? Theoretically if there are 50 white people in a place, 20 black people, 20 white people see unfortunate consequences and 10 black people do, there's something wrong with that despite more white people getting screwed?

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General Comments / Re: Protestors vs. Rioters

« on: May 30, 2020, 05:51:33 PM »

But let's not exaggerate and try to make it out like this man who knew he was being filmed decided to straight up murder someone.

I assume you're being sarcastic, but not sure who you're aiming at.  I doubt he was mugging for the camera, just doin' his job. Floyd was too drunk to drive home, submitted to being handcuffed and put on the ground, and kept complaining that the officer's knee on his neck made it so he couldn't breathe.

Wow, aren't you tiresome? I agree with you on like 95 percent of the issues but christ, just go read back the thread. I'm about ready to understand what Crunch and Seriati have been saying about you and I expect an apology for that.

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General Comments / Re: Protestors vs. Rioters

« on: May 30, 2020, 05:07:13 PM »

Law enforcement is not the bad guys in this - except for poorly trained officers who must be punished for being clueless and hurting those they are sworn to protect.

I just want to be sure I understand.  Are you saying that this officer had no bad intentions or negative feelings in this incident, that it was only the result of "bad training"?  Are the 18 other complaints that were lodged against him also the result of bad training?  If so, how much training over how long a period would he need in order not to kill handcuffed and unarmed suspects?

You are also clueless. It is not a binary set; either this or that. Chauvin was clueless about what he was doing. I'm sure he didn't want to kill Floyd - that would be murder one. He will be tried for murder three, involuntary manslaughter, because he was stupid. Being stupid does not mean he was intentionally evil - just culpable for what he did.

It's interesting that you have such a firm conviction that you know what was in his mind.

Come on. The cop wasn't trying to kill anyone.

From his record he liked to "put people in their place," with "his authority," and this time his antics killed someone. By all means, let's string him up.

But let's not exaggerate and try to make it out like this man who knew he was being filmed decided to straight up murder someone.

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General Comments / Re: George Floyd

« on: May 30, 2020, 04:19:50 PM »

And I will say the police might well gain a reputation boost with the population if they just stopped being complete dicks so very often.

I'm white. Italian heritage, but yeah, basically white. Even *I* got a lecture from my father when I turned sixteen and got a car and started going out. About how the police have guns and will shoot you, you need to ask permission for everything and move very slow. The conversation with a black teenager must be so much worse/soul destroying.

And it's being baked into the culture. "Well, they should have just listened to their instructions," say the conservatives.

The fact that anyone can be stopped for almost any reason, and have to bow down and follow possibly contradictive orders like a slave, on pain of death by firearm that will likely by explained away?

That's an issue for any American, black or white.

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General Comments / Re: George Floyd

« on: May 30, 2020, 04:05:25 PM »

Is this arrogance and unneeded violence something that has become ingrained in police culture? Is stuff like this happening every day to people, minority or not, because the wider culture excuses police malfeasance under the banner of hero worship?

There are two sides to that coin, and they have to deal with both ends, and more frequently the other in balance I'd think.

The Police are viewed as the enemy by a large portion of the population--and not just the criminal element. When you have people working to further perpetuate that image, it develops a large degree of antagonism on the part of the officers who have to deal with it day in and day out.

You also neglect to remember that human nature is to remember the bad things in life rather than the good things. You can do a dozen good things for a person, but you wrong them once, they're going to tend to forget those good things, and only remember that you wronged them. The officers are human, they're going to fall into the same kinds of traps as everyone else.

We can try to explain and understand wrongdoings, and even factor it into sentencing. The issue is that said wrongdoings are being covered up and explained away without the perpetrators even being confronted with real consequences.

Police these days act like the Catholic Church. (Of old? Honestly don't know if Rome is still just transferring kiddie diddlers to a new diocese.)

A cop gets dismissed from his employment for wrongdoing and he can sign right back on with another department a city or a state away because the previous employer doesn't want to screw them over because of the thin blue line.

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General Comments / Re: George Floyd

« on: May 30, 2020, 03:50:37 PM »

And to make it clear to everyone, I can accept that there lies a bias in a lot of police that gets their adrenaline flowing with minority interactions that is absolutely racial. Look up the "social experiment" vids on YouTube where the same team sends a white man open carrying into the street, and then a black man, and the different responses.

Racial bias is real and a problem but sadly it's not the real issue. The real issue is, like Lambert has said, the training. And also the culture. The police culture is malignant. The thin blue line is a concept that has evolved these days into something where no matter how wrong or unlawful an officer's actions are, they get covered up and defended in the name of unity. I'm sure some will say, "But Quag, look at the coverage this is getting! Justice will preveil!"

Yeah, well, the coverage of the actions that killed Floyd only happened because it was on tape, and the culture that let those officers forget that they were dealing with reporters who could live stream their bull*censored*, sadly, it's the norm rather then the exception.

Look at the UK. Their criminals still have guns (outlaw guns, only outlaws have guns) but somehow the vast majority of UK policemen interact with the public calmly and with techniques designed to reduce conflict.

If US police are to be called heroes, they need to take up a higher standard. To go out there and risk their lives, yes, but also not to kill, detain, or abuse innocent people just because they were scared, thought they could get away with it, or enjoyed it. 

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General Comments / Re: George Floyd

« on: May 30, 2020, 03:26:48 PM »

Want to say first off I don't approve of the more violent aspects of the protests.

That being said, we've seen one news crew arrested despite showing their press credentials on live television, and another being shot with pepper rounds.

These are events getting attention because they were being filmed live, and because the press is seen as sancrosanct. What is disturbing is that the police involved carried through like it was routine business.

Is this arrogance and unneeded violence something that has become ingrained in police culture? Is stuff like this happening every day to people, minority or not, because the wider culture excuses police malfeasance under the banner of hero worship?

These are the issues that need looking at.

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General Comments / Re: We gotta talk about Uncle Joe

« on: May 19, 2020, 04:24:54 PM »

Where's the tape?  They only talk about it without quoting it or letting us listen to it.  Will you apologize for raising this if it turns out to be a dud?

The highlights of the translated transcript is presented, and the entire tape is presented at the bottom of the page, although it is in Ukrainian. Just so you'll know for the future, if you scroll down you get more of the web page.

Ornery.org.

Bringing passive aggressiveness designed to slide under forum rules since 1999.

BTW not aimed at you, Lambert, most people here do it.

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General Comments / Re: coronavirus

« on: April 13, 2020, 02:37:15 PM »

...There appears to be time to stop the damage. But this insanity has to stop.

I foresee an attempt by Pelosi and Schumer to drag out the madness, but the shelter-in-place fixation will go away quickly. It may take more of those toaster-sized 15-minute test kits, but those with antibodies are going back to work as soon as they get cleared. A few Leftist governors and Mayors may fight it, but they'll be over-turned by their own party as their attempt to ruin Trump's recovery is seen for what it is.

Jesus, I'm not that guy but I am asking to take notice bb

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General Comments / Re: covid-19 outside the US

« on: April 13, 2020, 02:29:00 PM »

PS I expect a credit at least when you run to Breitbart and/Facebook and start posting about Demoplauguerats. It's the God Granted American Way.

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General Comments / Re: covid-19 outside the US

« on: April 13, 2020, 02:23:30 PM »

Brazil will be fine. Capitalism and sovereignty are literally what the world runs on and Brazil has plenty of both.

And by that I mean a whole lot of people are about to be die, but it'll be *fine,* and the country will march on and have some interesting things written into history books a decade or two from now. Which children will read/be taught from, and they'll grow up knowing that's the world.

So obviously from a perspective of a 2050 Brazilian you should be ashamed for trying to undermine the minds of the youth.

“To be fair, the Reptilians can be sneaky.

I really wouldn't put it past their ways. God. Do you think the Demoplaugerats are are in this? Could they be? PS I never got into BTFS”

(awesome)

I am absolutely awesome, all the voices in my head agree. Can we at least agree we're both against the Reptilians, Crunch? So many people look down on their danger, others raise objections due to "scientific evidence," and the Reptilian friends speaking news that is fake. These people are dangerous.

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General Comments / Re: The Meuller Report

« on: April 12, 2020, 05:31:28 PM »

...Trump just happened to make it very easy for the Democrats to want to buy into what the Russian intelligence services had been feeding them. Which made it very easy for the Russians to achieve their objective of sowing chaos in the American political system.

As I recall, the Russian intrigue was solidly following Hillary, and not Trump - making a Russian attack on Trump just another example of projection.

Wasn't it Hillary who chaired the committee that gave away our Uranium to them and who's foundation received millions of dollars of donations from the Uranium company's owners? Wasn't it Hillary who had her illegal Server exposed to them? Wasn't it Hillary's husband who got huge "speaking fees" to say and do virtually noting? Wasn't it Hillary who made photo ops with her ludicrous "Restart Button?" And wasn't it Obama who told them to wait until he was re-elected so he could be more flexible? And wasn't it the Obama administration who were warned of possible Russian interference and did nothing until after Trump was elected?

Everything they claimed Trump did was examined under a microscope until he was prove totally innocent of all charges. Yet Hillary and Obama skated. Do not claim Trump brought it on himself.

To be fair, the Reptilians can be sneaky.

I really wouldn't put it past their ways. God. Do you think the Demoplaugerats are are in this? Could they be? PS I never got into BTFS

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General Comments / Re: covid-19 outside the US

« on: April 12, 2020, 05:14:04 PM »

Brazil will be fine. Capitalism and sovereignty are literally what the world runs on and Brazil has plenty of both.

And by that I mean a whole lot of people are about to be die, but it'll be *fine,* and the country will march on and have some interesting things written into history books a decade or two from now. Which children will read/be taught from, and they'll grow up knowing that's the world.

So obviously from a perspective of a 2050 Brazilian you should be ashamed for trying to undermine the minds of the youth.

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General Comments / Re: coronavirus

« on: April 12, 2020, 04:51:36 PM »

For sure, let's all ignore the testimony of how godawful this thing is *even with the current rules being set in place,* nevermind what it would be without them.

Let's harp on how "It's the economy, stupid."

Real talk the USA is in a good place and can take care of everyone within their borders. Just like they could have dealt with the vast majority of poverty and homelessness before, they just didn't.

The righttards aren't getting their panties in a twist because they think these things will actually end the country and/or kill people. They're getting worked up because these measures, which save a lot of lives, will put enough people in a bad enough way that the only option will be to get a little bit democratic socialist.

*That's* what they're scared of. They're looking at this like when FDR passed social security despite the right wing and it quickly became the third rail of politics.

Can you imagine what a UBI would do for the companies that throw money into politician pockets? If people *didn't* have to put up with BS just to put food in their mouth?

Gotta save America, gotta save rich people (sorry, being redundant maybe,) it's a bad virus and people will die but God willing the country will still have wage slaves after it's over like the Constitution clearly wanted.

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General Comments / Re: coronavirus

« on: April 11, 2020, 03:30:31 PM »

Crunch!

I've found another Reptilian!

It's some idiot pretending with news that is fake that he'd been some lameass paramedic for 16 years (lol, yeah right,) and describing how his day went worse then 9/11 due to the number of DOA he'd arrived on for a single day. The rest of us, we call it last Sunday.

What is the absolute worst is I have it on good authority that this virus is little worse then a flu, so I am not understanding how the Demoplaguerats are manipulating this guy. Can you help me, please?

Before I forget, here's his diary of the day in question. I will admit Crunch I suspect this as being news that is fake. I'm not sure yet though because I'm not sure how it makes Trump look.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52196815

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General Comments / Re: coronavirus

« on: April 11, 2020, 03:12:16 PM »

It's your fantasy that we can just ignore this, or take half-measures, and not find ourselves with many thousands of people dying in beds in tents or at home untreated, Crunch.

You don't even have a model, you just have a gut feeling that things wouldn't be that bad.

Then there's the fantasy that shutting down is a liberal plot to destroy Trump - which I guess is why most of Europe is doing it too.

The models have been adjusted down .... again. Now it's 60,000. From 2.2 million to 60,000. That's the model I'm following. We have gone from you guys screaming about millions dead to what amounts to just a fairly average flu season. You can go on about how social distancing is working but the models were supposed to account for that so spare me that canard.

And now, what's more accurate? What you called my "gut feeling" or the models you're relying on? Which one is better reflected by the reality of the situation?

The models were utter crap, they were so completely overblown it's incredible - we're at 3% of projection. 3%

But let's look at the liberal plot here. The left started off calling Trump xenophobic and racist for shutting down travel between us and China as they were handing out impeachment pens. It was all the rage. Pelosi even introduced a bill to overrule the travel ban and keep China's infections flowing into the US to make the political theater look so very legit.

Then, they pivoted 180 to "it's the end of the world, we're all gonna die and we need to utterly destroy the economy at all costs".  The media went right along - them and their NPC's parroting stupidity like Trump told people to drink fish tank cleaner. Now, with over 16 million out, you still want to go more, no end in sight.

Right now, the left is trying to pull together an investigation of the administration's response. Right here, smack in the middle of it, they want to get investigations rolling. You'd have to be a special kind of stupid to know this is not the next impeachment folly.

So yeah, there is a significant effort on to use this as a way to destroy Trump. Lying about the risks is a part of that.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reptilian_conspiracy_theory

Which part is not true?

David Icke sold a lot of books and the general populace gave him a surprisingly high approval rating, so we'd all better hunker down against the Reptilian overlords due to Crunchian theory. Thanks my guy.

In other words, everything I wrote is true. Thanks for that confirmation, son.

Which part of the Reptilian conspiracy theory isn't true?

And I ain't your son, pal.

You should say it in Chinese, it’s what they would have wanted

Who? The Reptilians? God, I don't want to help *them,* they're literally destroying not our only great country but all of the other countries who are great as we see it.

I find it a bit disappointing that you're willing to sacrifice the awesomeness of our country due only to a lack of courage in the face of the Reptilian threat. You can do it. *We* can do it. We just need to band together to fight their insidiousness. Band together, my pal, and we can defeat the threat of the Reptilians as we educate the populace about the Reptilians and their awful influence on the world media. We should probably start calling it news that is fake.

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General Comments / Re: coronavirus

« on: April 10, 2020, 05:56:49 PM »

It's your fantasy that we can just ignore this, or take half-measures, and not find ourselves with many thousands of people dying in beds in tents or at home untreated, Crunch.

You don't even have a model, you just have a gut feeling that things wouldn't be that bad.

Then there's the fantasy that shutting down is a liberal plot to destroy Trump - which I guess is why most of Europe is doing it too.

The models have been adjusted down .... again. Now it's 60,000. From 2.2 million to 60,000. That's the model I'm following. We have gone from you guys screaming about millions dead to what amounts to just a fairly average flu season. You can go on about how social distancing is working but the models were supposed to account for that so spare me that canard.

And now, what's more accurate? What you called my "gut feeling" or the models you're relying on? Which one is better reflected by the reality of the situation?

The models were utter crap, they were so completely overblown it's incredible - we're at 3% of projection. 3%

But let's look at the liberal plot here. The left started off calling Trump xenophobic and racist for shutting down travel between us and China as they were handing out impeachment pens. It was all the rage. Pelosi even introduced a bill to overrule the travel ban and keep China's infections flowing into the US to make the political theater look so very legit.

Then, they pivoted 180 to "it's the end of the world, we're all gonna die and we need to utterly destroy the economy at all costs".  The media went right along - them and their NPC's parroting stupidity like Trump told people to drink fish tank cleaner. Now, with over 16 million out, you still want to go more, no end in sight.

Right now, the left is trying to pull together an investigation of the administration's response. Right here, smack in the middle of it, they want to get investigations rolling. You'd have to be a special kind of stupid to know this is not the next impeachment folly.

So yeah, there is a significant effort on to use this as a way to destroy Trump. Lying about the risks is a part of that.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reptilian_conspiracy_theory

Which part is not true?

David Icke sold a lot of books and the general populace gave him a surprisingly high approval rating, so we'd all better hunker down against the Reptilian overlords due to Crunchian theory. Thanks my guy.

In other words, everything I wrote is true. Thanks for that confirmation, son.

Which part of the Reptilian conspiracy theory isn't true?

And I ain't your son, pal.

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General Comments / Re: coronavirus

« on: April 09, 2020, 04:29:56 PM »

David Icke sold a lot of books and the general populace gave him a surprisingly high approval rating, so we'd all better hunker down against the Reptilian overlords due to Crunchian theory. Thanks my guy.

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General Comments / Re: coronavirus

« on: April 09, 2020, 04:12:10 PM »

It's your fantasy that we can just ignore this, or take half-measures, and not find ourselves with many thousands of people dying in beds in tents or at home untreated, Crunch.

You don't even have a model, you just have a gut feeling that things wouldn't be that bad.

Then there's the fantasy that shutting down is a liberal plot to destroy Trump - which I guess is why most of Europe is doing it too.

The models have been adjusted down .... again. Now it's 60,000. From 2.2 million to 60,000. That's the model I'm following. We have gone from you guys screaming about millions dead to what amounts to just a fairly average flu season. You can go on about how social distancing is working but the models were supposed to account for that so spare me that canard.

And now, what's more accurate? What you called my "gut feeling" or the models you're relying on? Which one is better reflected by the reality of the situation?

The models were utter crap, they were so completely overblown it's incredible - we're at 3% of projection. 3%

But let's look at the liberal plot here. The left started off calling Trump xenophobic and racist for shutting down travel between us and China as they were handing out impeachment pens. It was all the rage. Pelosi even introduced a bill to overrule the travel ban and keep China's infections flowing into the US to make the political theater look so very legit.

Then, they pivoted 180 to "it's the end of the world, we're all gonna die and we need to utterly destroy the economy at all costs".  The media went right along - them and their NPC's parroting stupidity like Trump told people to drink fish tank cleaner. Now, with over 16 million out, you still want to go more, no end in sight.

Right now, the left is trying to pull together an investigation of the administration's response. Right here, smack in the middle of it, they want to get investigations rolling. You'd have to be a special kind of stupid to know this is not the next impeachment folly.

So yeah, there is a significant effort on to use this as a way to destroy Trump. Lying about the risks is a part of that.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reptilian_conspiracy_theory

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General Comments / Re: Why Dr. Zelenko's claim is dubious

« on: April 05, 2020, 08:56:40 AM »

Also it's pretty apparent that China's culture and government came together in unholy matrimony to gift the world this insidious disease.

You know how cultural reasons mean Americans (Christian, Muslim, or otherwise,) don't have to worry as much about honor killings?

Same thing here. China created this virus via their cultural norms. Whilst I can reject the idea of calling it Kung Flu or whatever for Facebook points, we do need to acknowledge where and why it came from.

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General Comments / Re: Why Dr. Zelenko's claim is dubious

« on: April 05, 2020, 08:48:17 AM »

He called it  'China Flu' because been tracking well in certain circles and his base. There is a segment of society which use those words 'China Flu' to encourage prejudice. This is not political correctness this is saying what you mean without saying it. It was clear what Ted Cruze was saying and he knew how his words would be heard. It wasn't clever, poking some and encouraging prejudice in others. win win for him.   

No need to be lazy, no need to pretend people need to be educated as to location the virus started. Everyone knows. When you call it 'China Flu' you are saying something.  And it points quite clearly as to what 'news' sources you spend to much time paying attention to.

If only there were historical precedent for how these things have been done in the past.

Spanish Influenza.

Ebola (a river in Africa)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebola_River

The Hong Kong Flu
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Kong_flu

West Nile Virus
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Nile_virus
(first encountered in the West Nile district of Uganda)

Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever - first identified in Idaho along the Rocky Mountain range.

Lyme Disease - named after the outbreak in Lyme, CT

Ross River Fever - named after the Ross River is Australia, where the mosquito that bears it lives.

Omsk Hemorrhagic Fever - named after Omsk, Russia where it was first identified.

Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS - a close relative of Covid19) -- Do I really need to explain this one?

Valley Fever - named from a 1930's outbreak in the San Joaquin Valley; although it likely started in Argentina. (likewise, the "Spanish Flu" may have actually started in Missouri during 1917)

Marburg Virus Disease - named after it was identified in Marburg, Germany.

Norovirus - named after an outbreak in Norwalk, Ohio

Zika Fever - named after the Zika Forrest in Uganda

Japanese Encephalitis - first identified in Japan

German Measles - first described by German physicians in the 18th century, but also known as Rubella

Lassa Fever - Named after the Lassa River in Nigeria

Legionnaire’s Disease - named after an outbreak in Philadelphia that infected a number of people attending an American Legion Convention.

On that last one, I'm not aware of anybody screaming about how Legionnaire's Disease needs to be renamed because it is prejudicial towards veterans and members of the American Legion in particular...

Man, I hate agreeing with conservatives on things but the guy has a point.

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General Comments / Re: Peace deal with Taliban

« on: March 01, 2020, 10:20:01 PM »

We're giving up in Afghanistan, just as we did in Syria and are trying to do in North Korea and most certainly with Russia.  Trump wants to shrivel the US influence in the world, except in the form he does with his investments.  He will sell his name in exchange for acquiescence and support in return.  That's why he's so pissed at Ukraine; they won't give him Biden's head on a platter, so the hell with giving them military assistance. 

He gets nothing from Mexico except dirty immigrants.  Watch for him to close the border with Mexico as protection against coronavirus.

I'm sorry, but I have a hard time believing that if we were living in the world of Clinton the 2nd you'd be talking like this given the same circumstances.

Obama droned a whole bunch of civilians when he was president, I don't really think a Dem president in this environment would pass on ending a 20 year war, details or not.

Edit - Meant this for Fenring, sorry.

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General Comments / Re: We gotta talk about Uncle Joe

« on: March 01, 2020, 10:09:02 PM »

And ya'll should know by now I'm the local liberal. However, I'm a believer in the "if we outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns," theory. Guns were part of America from it's very inception and it wasn't an issue. It was only when they cut social funding and authority for mental health that we ended up with young men shooting up places before putting a bullet in their own heads.

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General Comments / Re: We gotta talk about Uncle Joe

« on: March 01, 2020, 09:55:04 PM »

Just saying, the US didn't have issues with mass shootings until Reagan gutted mental care authority/funding.

I'm unsure what data supports this.

Reagan put through a big program to make it harder to put mentally ill people in hospitals in the 80's.

US started having mass shootings on the regular in the 90's.

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General Comments / Re: America Season 267 Plot Twists

« on: March 01, 2020, 09:50:25 PM »

I wonder what Biden offered him.

Has to be the VP spot. He's young, gay, and from a Midwest state. He pretty much checks all the boxes for a Democratic VP in this round, as dictated by the DNC.

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General Comments / Re: Peace deal with Taliban

« on: March 01, 2020, 06:16:59 PM »

I mean I was never a big fan of the Afghan war to begin with, but if we were going to do it to begin with, can we at least make sure the theocratic dictatorship has been removed before we piss off and call it a win?

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General Comments / Re: Peace deal with Taliban

« on: March 01, 2020, 06:05:04 PM »

I'm happy if that particular war is coming to an end.

However.

I am really skeptical on how positive you would have been if Obama had gotten the same deal. I'm sure we would have been bombarded with Facebook "surrendering to the terrorists," memes.

And now that I've said all that, what's the deal here? Are the Taliban going to allow young women to be educated now? If not, I'm not exactly happy.

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General Comments / Re: We gotta talk about Uncle Joe

« on: March 01, 2020, 05:58:45 PM »

Just saying, the US didn't have issues with mass shootings until Reagan gutted mental care authority/funding.