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General Comments / Re: Protestors vs. Rioters
« on: June 16, 2020, 11:20:28 AM »
If the shots in the back were multiple seconds after he had turned back around and continued running away  with the taser I could be persuaded that criminal charges could be warranted. My earlier analysis was based on the fact that the man was turning and aiming the taser at him at the time he was shot. Those are different scenarios.

I still think it ends in a hung jury but not a clear not guilty verdict that would have come if the taser was being pointed at the time the shots were fired.

Why is an aimed taser sufficient justification for shooting with a gun?

In this case, I still think the gun is an overreaction but given the laws that generally apply to police it probably isn't a criminal act. Ideally the police would respond to a "non-lethal" weapon in kind. But I'm not sure that this officer had his taser available at this point.

As to why this would ever be the case. Imagine a kidnapper who uses a taser to abduct people. Your options are shooting him or becoming a captive. This scenerio isn't close to the one shown by the officer here, his best defense for lethal force would be fear of serious injury as a result of falling while being tased. And I'm sure if you just look the lists of people seriously injured or killed by police tasers the point could be made to a jury that the officer had a reasonable fear of serious bodily harm. And that is the standard police are judged by.

With the current laws and defense based on how they are trained the officers are unlikely to be held convicted of a crime.

I think this case demonstrates the systemic problem within policing as it regards training. The grounds for when deadly force can be deployed are too broad

The actual standard is "reasonable fear" not just actual fear.  The officers would have needed to fear for their lives and this fear must be demonstrably reasonable under the circumstances known to the officer at the time of the decision.

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General Comments / Re: Protestors vs. Rioters
« on: June 16, 2020, 10:52:39 AM »
It's not entirely clear to me that the police had cause to arrest him, since he was parked at the time and he had not (apparently) failed a breathalizer test. It didn't look like he failed the sobriety test, either, but he did admit to having (I think) one drink.  That's why I asked earlier when it was done, since the portion of the video I was able to watch before it froze didn't show them performing the test.

DUI laws allow for cops to be complete bastards on this front. Parked or not doesn't matter.

Keys in the ignition are sufficient for a DUI conviction, even if he wasn't in the driver's seat. As "keys in the ignition" meet the legal criteria to demonstrate intent to drive.

I'm at 1 remove from a guy who received a DUI for being drunk in the sleeper cab of his truck while 16 hours into a "34 hour restart" for his hours of service. But because he needed to have the keys in the ignition in order to run the Air Conditioning in the truck...

I have a DUI from Vegas for pushing a car down the street while intoxicated.  Apparently, when asked by police why I was pushing my car, I said "because I'm too drunk to drive, Officer."

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General Comments / Re: Did the tariffs have a net benefit so far?
« on: February 13, 2020, 01:34:15 PM »
Does the study factor in other countries having to pick up the productivity slack from China’s issues with the Coronavirus?

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General Comments / Re: The Hunt
« on: February 12, 2020, 07:31:34 PM »
And it’s all being handled through an elitist swineflu:)

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Good god. For professional purposes. As opposed to some stoner pouring his deep thoughts straight from addled brain to keyboard.

A president should never engage in ad hoc communication. Never. That's how you wind up with ad hoc policy changes and ad hoc foreign relations.

Clinton turned an ad hoc inten blow non into an ad hoc war with Serbia and as hoc feud with Putin

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General Comments / Re: SOTU
« on: February 05, 2020, 12:47:49 PM »
Otto Erratic

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General Comments / Re: Left eating it's own
« on: January 27, 2020, 05:37:33 PM »

More Americans voted for Hillary Clinton than Donald Trump, so I'm not so sure about that, Pete. :)

Yes, I’m one of those who voted Hillary based on DNC lies, and I’m still angry about it.

Hillary cheated, outspent both her rivals put together and still managed to lose the election.  And full win no respect from me by trying to change election rules after the election. It’s contemptible.

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General Comments / Re: here comes the next ice age
« on: January 27, 2020, 12:43:51 PM »
”The only thing that can heat the oceans like this is the sun”

Well if this crunch thinks that global warming means a source for heat other than solar heat, no wonder he’s a disbeliever. LoL

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General Comments / Re: Left eating it's own
« on: January 27, 2020, 12:31:51 PM »
Sanders could have won in 2016 as a gun moderate but he’s bowed to the DNC on that issue and become unelectable. America would sooner elect a socialist than an enemy of the Second Amendment

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General Comments / Re: The Shampeachement Follies
« on: January 23, 2020, 05:08:16 PM »
If Congress is the aggrieved party as well as the prosecutor and tryer of fact, then what’s the problem?

Since the 1990s Clinton impeachment debacle, I have denounced the repugnant democratizing of the impeachment process. I loathed Congress’ cowardly leaking of the Starr Report (even Starr himself was horrified.  If Congress cannot prosecute an impeachment without personal support of the voters then it should not be the business.

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General Comments / Re: The Shampeachement Follies
« on: January 23, 2020, 04:41:29 PM »
My argument is that before endorsing a would-be dictator to avoid a regime of ex post facto laws, you should actually read the judgment in question.

How am I “endorsing “ anything? Is this one of these “if you don’t support us in this I’m your enemy things?” 

If I can’t expect you to give a bit of fact to support your claim of “dictator” why should I take the time to get my crippled ass on a bus to go buy a new set of reading glasses?

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General Comments / Re: The Shampeachement Follies
« on: January 23, 2020, 04:05:52 PM »
Ok, so your argument is headline: authority wants you to panic! If you want to know why, go look it up some place?

Because if that’s how democracy is supposed to work then death be to democracy.

I see headlines saying the founding fathers were warning us against guys like Trump! No! They talked about guys like Trump, to warn us against Democracy powered by sophistry. Trump’s just the sign post: “you are now all in hell.” Taking away the sign post doesn’t change the fact that we are, after your long march, finally in hell.

I think that asking what law was broken, rather than what authority claims that trump broke some unspecified law, is a reasonable to ask even if it is Crunch asking it. Unlike Canada we in the US fought a bloody and horrific war specifically so that among other things, laws are enumerated pre facto rather than forced on us ex post facto by authority. That falls under us constitution elements that we’ve literally killed to get and would gladly kill again in order to think.

I would rather live forty horrible years under trump than allow the unbloodied rise of a new legal order where a body of experts can declare any man a criminal without bothering to articulate a law.

If that’s what law ever comes to mean then like our Iranian friends might say, Death to the Law

I'm pretty sure the GAO spells out which laws in their report.

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General Comments / Re: The Shampeachement Follies
« on: January 23, 2020, 03:06:20 PM »
I think that asking what law was broken, rather than what authority claims that trump broke some unspecified law, is a reasonable to ask even if it is Crunch asking it. Unlike Canada we in the US fought a bloody and horrific war specifically so that among other things, laws are enumerated pre facto rather than forced on us ex post facto by authority. That falls under us constitution elements that we’ve literally killed to get and would gladly kill again in order to think.

I would rather live forty horrible years under trump than allow the unbloodied rise of a new legal order where a body of experts can declare any man a criminal without bothering to articulate a law.

If that’s what law ever comes to mean then like our Iranian friends might say, Death to the Law

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General Comments / Re: Ukraine International Airlines flight PS752
« on: January 20, 2020, 09:14:23 AM »
The UN expression of self determination doesn't depend on such an assertion. Such would apply to Scotland, for instance, if they wanted to exit the UK. They'd have a vote, it would be recognized by all the nations and then they'd have to figure it out.

Right. And this doesn’t happen with Tibet, or anywhere without a war, right?

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General Comments / Re: here comes the next ice age
« on: January 19, 2020, 12:16:17 PM »
If I understand him correctly, he is saying that the disconnect is between those who pay attention to the empirical evidence and those who did not.  As opposed to a true dispute over the meaning of evidence.

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General Comments / Re: Ukraine International Airlines flight PS752
« on: January 19, 2020, 07:37:33 AM »
Would the scotts have to let their slaves vote too if slaves made up 85% of the adult population or do you concede that at some level it’s a bull rap analogy?

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General Comments / Re: Dem debates
« on: January 18, 2020, 06:25:28 PM »
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Well, there’s one member of SCOTUS who has been stalking the news critiquing the hard right while going on about how GOP senators x y and z have disqualified themselves from participating in the impeachment trial. Funny that no one is examining whether any DNC members may have by the same set of principles and assumptions disqualified themselves.

Is there some reason why you're being cagey about this? Hard for me to respond to vague allusions. And by definition, if they are stalking the news, then its not really being ignored is it? So maybe you mean to say that you don't like how they are reporting, not that they are ignoring?

Let's go back to your assertion.

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Research after research has shown major breaking stories that are negative toward the Left are not covered at all.

If there is research after research, I'm sure you can name at least one study?

Huh? That’s not my assertion.

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General Comments / Re: Ukraine International Airlines flight PS752
« on: January 18, 2020, 12:06:30 PM »
If the Quebequois use their declaration of independence (DoE) to claim Newfoundland, while keepign six quebecois on the Supreme Court of Canadam then yes, Canada is justified in holding its bases in Quebec pending the outcome.  But it's a different question because Canada concquered Quebec to begin with in the French and Indian war.  It's not like Quebec initially signed the deal of its own free will.

If you read the US declaration of Independence, the whole premise is that a land that wants to seceed needs more of an excuse than "I gotta be me."  The establishment must be violating some rite besides mere self-determination.

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General Comments / Re: Dem debates
« on: January 17, 2020, 12:22:31 PM »
Well, there’s one member of SCOTUS who has been stalking the news critiquing the hard right while going on about how GOP senators x y and z have disqualified themselves from participating in the impeachment trial. Funny that no one is examining whether any DNC members may have by the same set of principles and assumptions disqualified themselves.

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General Comments / Re: here comes the next ice age
« on: January 16, 2020, 06:44:58 PM »
Earth the biosphere is just saying stop chopping down those trees and trawling those coral reefs. Stop breaking the system. Or everything in the sea will die.

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General Comments / Re: Dem debates
« on: January 16, 2020, 05:19:12 PM »
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Except clearly it doesn't make business sense. The "low hanging fruit" has resulted in getting their asses kicked for years. Unless you're suggesting that they'd be doing even worse by catering, even in part, to the Fox audience?

True it hasn't worked for CNN but it was understandable that they try to adopt Fox news successful model - the right.
Perhaps the left is more discerning then the right when it comes to what news they are willing to watch. who knew :)

Here’s how I remember things. CNN carved out a niche of panic news addicted white closet authoritarians. Ran ram shot over us during the Rodney King riots, but there afterward FOX chewed off the right wing of the arthoritarian group and then the left fractioned off what was left. So CNN is like the point of impact from which all things “not right” proceed lefwardly like the empty corona of the leftward Big Bang.  . Right?

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General Comments / Re: Ukraine International Airlines flight PS752
« on: January 16, 2020, 02:15:14 PM »
Hogwash. Blood was drawn in Kansas and Missouri before Lincoln was even elected. Blood was flowing already and the north already had its fragging battle hymn. Imagine if the US Declaration of Independence had claimed the whole continent including Canada? That’s what the rebel declaration did the equivalent of demanding. So we are now at formal war. Given that demand of grabbing all the way to Oregon and California, Lincoln has to hold onto every advantage he has. Give up forts and guns? Hell no, not without a fight. Them rebel goons are coming for the richest part of America which they don’t even possess yet. No way in hell the yankee banks are going to let that go, regardless of who was president. Stephen Douglass would have done the same damn thing in response to the Southern overreach in their DOI.  Their DOI was DOA.  Moral responsibility for the civil war lies with those who enacted the confederate d of I.

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General Comments / Re: Dem debates
« on: January 16, 2020, 09:51:45 AM »
It’s not that the DNC runs CNN but that they are deeply aligned with CNN willingly assisting the DNC in achieving the DNC’s goals.

This can be seen in CNN’s leaking of debate questions to Hillary, helping her prepare for a debate to the recent debate where it tried to take down Bernie yet again. Last nights reveal of the “off mike” conversation between Bernie and Warren cements that effort. The DNC doesn’t want Bernie to get the nomination, that is very clear. CNN has always been willing to help.

Look at any of the CNN talent’s social media output and you’ll see they are lockstep in line with the DNC.

I thought that the private convo after made Warren look bad and Bernie look honest and friendly.

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General Comments / Re: Escalation with Iran
« on: January 15, 2020, 08:26:56 PM »
Except that terrorism isn't actually the core of terror.  Frequently the terror to the targets is secondary to a totally different set of feelings towards the target audience, as with 9/11, the point was for arabs to feel strong and for the Muslim world to feel uinited.  Crucifixion likewise abates Roman terror from rebelling slaves.  And the Roman arena games, like the Hunger Games, is about thrilling the target audience with the power of the almighty state.

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General Comments / Re: Escalation with Iran
« on: January 15, 2020, 11:32:50 AM »
How about public violence Targeting non-combatants to achieve a public relations purpose?

Do the sanctions lead to public deaths? Does the putative terrorist give publicity to the deaths? Publicity is the essence of terrorism.

Who is the terrorist?
Who is the target audience?
What is the PR message to the target audience?


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General Comments / Re: Dem debates
« on: January 15, 2020, 11:29:36 AM »
CNN runs the DNC now?

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General Comments / Re: Escalation with Iran
« on: January 14, 2020, 11:59:27 PM »
Test: Is this terrorism or just plain murder?

https://www.bbc.com/reel/video/p0808hpm/the-teenage-dutch-girls-who-seduced-and-killed-nazis

At the onset, can we recognize that the question has nothing to do with the fact that these girls are heroes to their community?  It's not a moral judgment.

It would be terrorism if they put it on youtube.

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Targeting Uniformed soldiers? Arguably not terrorism.  Hell, man, that takes out actual occupiers with guns from your streets. I say not terrorism period.   Your middle eastern example is more like the Pulse nightclub shooting.

But the resistance also targeted homes of non-combatant collaborators which was terrorism unambiguously.

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General Comments / Re: Clean coal economics
« on: January 14, 2020, 06:50:35 PM »
High tech industries have tried to set up in wv and were driven out by a dearth of nonjunkie workers. Opiates are too popular there.

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General Comments / Re: Ukraine International Airlines flight PS752
« on: January 14, 2020, 06:47:30 PM »
That’s but-for logic. Direct cause.  You’ve offered absolutely no foreseeability or ethics- related arguments to demonstrate probable cause, which is what Grant argued.

The domino analogy is also false direct causation because Lincoln didn’t author the lies that the south told about him which arguably caused the secession, and could as well have been told about anyone.

Also,  others chose Lincoln for his position on not extending slavery into new states. They didn’t just pick that position because they voted for Lincoln. Our dominant history books for a century were written by a gang of losers.

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General Comments / Re: Escalation with Iran
« on: January 14, 2020, 06:38:30 PM »
Say that Mossad manages to locate the very last bastard responsible for the Munich massacre, and blows up his plane, killing 157 collateral non-combatants as well as their target.  The 157 may not be targets of terrorism, but they are victims of murder.  It’s not an issue of forgiveness but an issue of fact.

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General Comments / Re: Escalation with Iran
« on: January 14, 2020, 06:30:47 PM »
Interesting
How would collateral damage of non-combatants fit with that definition?
If its not intentional is one forgiven many of those who's family have been killed as collateral damage label the US as terrorists. Is that valid?

It’s only “forgiveness” if you assume that terrorism is the only crime in existence. It’s not.

The non-combatant deaths in OK city were “collateral damage” in McVeighs war against the USA but they still count as victims of murder, and of Treason.


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General Comments / Re: Escalation with Iran
« on: January 14, 2020, 04:36:54 PM »
By the same standards that we label Soeimani a Terrorist would not others from the perceptive of their political ideology and experience of, as they might argue, US interfearnce label CIA leaders as terrorists
I'm not say they are, Wondering we we are miss using the word terrorist

Sounds like you are misusing it, since your premise is that terrorism works like the leftwit definition of racism and applies or not depending on whose side you are on.

 Me, I use the term as others define it: public violence against non-combatants to achieve a public relations objective.

The ultimate terrorist acts were our bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki which intentionally maximized non-combatant casualties, with a pre-strike publicity campaign to destroy public morale in Japan and cause evacuation of the cities.

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General Comments / Re: Ukraine International Airlines flight PS752
« on: January 13, 2020, 11:19:46 PM »
Silt that.  There was no way to avoid war once the south opened fire on Sumpter based on the confederate DOE, which called for southern annexation of areas now constituting Nevada California New Mexico and Oregon. It was an audacious gold grab and if Lincoln had caved the states would have warred over gold and water.

As I recall, that was in response to Lincoln winning the Presidential election, so they decided to act before he could.

Lincoln "winning" the election isn't an act by Lincoln but an act by the American people.  It's a contradiction in terms to attribute proximate cause to a passive action.  Causes are caused by actors, not those acted upon. 

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I've been privy to stuff "like that" from right-wing types going back into the early 1990's. Something to keep firmly in mind about most of that right-wing Rhetoric:
They don't "attack first" as their position is more historically American in outlook, Battle of Lexington and Concord(although nobody knows who shot first), The Alamo(although Americans started that war), The Civil War(Fort Sumter), and Pearl Harbor among others. They're waiting for "the Left" to "strike first" in such a blatant manner that they can unleash the dogs of wars and unleash hell on Earth once more. But they're going to allow one solid attack first, before they try to finish it. Which is the other part of the mix: "We won't start it, but we're damned well going to finish it."

While "punch a Nazi" is an "attack first" doctrine.

Edit: on reflection: The "right wing" rhetoric I mention above is probably closer to being capable of being called "Center-Right" in many respects, at least in respect to other "right wing groups" such as actual neo-nazis, white supremacy groups, and some militia groups many of whom are probably more than eager to help start a fight as well, much like their left-wing counter-parts. Of course, I don't consider those groups "ring wing groups" as properly fitting into the Right-Wing of the american spectra, but whatever.

As the Warsaw Ghetto how their attempt to "finish it" went.

You need to have a certain kind of privilege in order to wait for the other side to hit first.

In Chess, white meanest you strike first and black means you wait for the other side to act first

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General Comments / Re: Escalation with Iran
« on: January 13, 2020, 06:31:18 PM »
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I'm not sure if that made him a terrorist though?


No. That’s not what made him a terrorist. Like many confederate heroes turned sheet-heads, he  doubled as a state terrorist and a non state terrorist.

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General Comments / Re: Ukraine International Airlines flight PS752
« on: January 13, 2020, 06:28:29 PM »
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I can say that the election of Abraham Lincoln was the proximate cause of the civil war.


Silt that.  There was no way to avoid war once the south opened fire on Sumpter based on the confederate DOE, which called for southern annexation of areas now constituting Nevada California New Mexico and Oregon. It was an audacious gold grab and if Lincoln had caved the states would have warred over gold and water.

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Violent solutions aren’t not all terrorism. Terrorism specifically involves the use of innocent blood to convey a public relations message.  Roman crucifixions for example conveyed the message that slavery isn’t the worst thing that can happen to you.  Exactly the same message as a public lynching by a bunch of sheet-heads.

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You think that governments can’t commit terrorism? You think wrong, bubba. if legal discussions of  State Terrorism bore you, then just watch the Hunger Games for a primer.




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That’s 80 at Waco and 3 at Ruby Ridge.

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your article fails to mention center left state terrorism, which would include Janet Reno’s Ruby Ridge and Waco massacres that inspired Timmy McVeigh’s OK City massacre.

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General Comments / Re: the Bison-shaped hole in America
« on: January 12, 2020, 11:14:39 PM »
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Bison feed almost exclusively on grasses, which, because they grow rapidly, tend to out-compete other plants. Bison’s selective grazing behavior produces higher biodiversity because it helps plants that normally are dominated by grasses to coexist


By that reasoning, one would think that bison would make room for forest to appear

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Kasandra, if you looked at the actual examples list of that ridiculous study you're cribbing from, you'll see that they counted the Black Lives Matter shooter and the Muslim Beltway Snipers as "white, right-wing, anti-government" terrorists.  It's a piece of "just-so science" to justify the sort of hateful ideology that we heard spouted by the brave brave Chicago four that tortured that white mentally retarded child on facebook.

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General Comments / Re: Clean coal economics
« on: January 12, 2020, 07:50:06 PM »
Because I feel bad for west virginians but not badly enough to screw the planet by burning the crap.

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General Comments / Re: Ukraine International Airlines flight PS752
« on: January 12, 2020, 07:48:50 PM »
If wasn't for those dammed wright brothers this never would have happened. 🤔

Might as well say trumps comments about invisible jets [literally] made this happen.

:D

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General Comments / Re: Ukraine International Airlines flight PS752
« on: January 12, 2020, 07:35:08 PM »
If trump had done nothing, the plane wouldn't have been shot down. That doesn't make him culpable in any ordinary way.

I'm not saying or implying culpable, but if someone breaks into your house and you shoot your family member by mistake, there is a proximate cause the home invader is responsible for.

That's an actual argument if you change the facts and pretend that Iraq is Iran's house, and that Iran was acting on credible evidence of an imminent attack by America at the moment that the US had invaded Iran without justifiable pretext.

Proximate cause equals blame and culpability.

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General Comments / Re: Clean coal economics
« on: January 12, 2020, 01:00:04 AM »
I believe every word you said, but please note that has nothing to do with what I said. You’re talking about clean call while I’m talking about a clean economics for using coal.  And for the purposes I’m talking about, even what you call dirty coal (eg lignite) could be used cleanly, ie without burning it.

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General Comments / Re: Ukraine International Airlines flight PS752
« on: January 11, 2020, 05:42:01 PM »
Here’s a fun tidbit: in Tehran, a protest over days of lies about the The semi-official Fars news agency

“1,000 people had chanted slogans against leaders and tore up pictures of Soleimani.“

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General Comments / Re: Ukraine International Airlines flight PS752
« on: January 11, 2020, 01:01:22 AM »
So much for "scientifically impossible."

Although I will admit, I'm amazed they fessed up to it so quickly.

They said human error and will prosecute those who fracked up.

Which makes 223 total negligent deaths as part of their mourning/revenge fit over Soleimani, when you count the 56 trampling deaths from the funeral.  Not enemies Chinese emperors’ funerals had so much death.

Are we done yet?

And I lost stomach to vote for Pete Butagieg when he blamed Trump for the Plane crash. For shame.  Didn’t they teach Proximate cause at his fragging law school?

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General Comments / Clean coal economics
« on: January 10, 2020, 05:35:30 PM »
West Virginia wants to go on mining coal.  Most of us agreed that we don’t want to keep on burning it. So what else can be done with Coal? 

”Other important users of coal include alumina refineries, paper manufacturers, and the chemical and pharmaceutical industries. Several chemical products can be produced from the by-products of coal. Refined coal tar is used in the manufacture of chemicals, such as creosote oil, naphthalene, phenol, and benzene. Ammonia gas recovered from coke ovens is used to manufacture ammonia salts, nitric acid and agricultural fertilisers. Thousands of different products have coal or coal by-products as components: soap, aspirins, solvents, dyes, plastics and fibres, such as rayon and nylon“
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That’s from the coal industry itself. I’m a little nervous about benzene.  Can we do better?


https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/04/scientists-have-found-a-surprising-new-use-for-coal/




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