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General Comments / Re: More incitement?
« on: September 21, 2022, 04:32:59 PM »
The 'argument' that the Dem leadership incite to violence as much or more then the Rep Or that the Rep leadership incite to violence as much or more then the Dem's only demonstrates one thing
The person making the argument knows that incitement is  happening and is wrong. If they are not holding the leaders they support accountable they are are wrong.

I have heard many voices that support Biden speak out about Biden's statements.  I have heard very few of those that support Trump speak out. Its still safe to speak out against Biden and still 'be a Dem, less safe to speak out against Trump and still be seen as a Rep.  And that speaks volumes

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General Comments / Re: More incitement?
« on: September 21, 2022, 04:19:19 PM »
Words have power and our leaders should be more careful in how they say things
This is not a right or left thing its a leadership thing.
And if the argument is just going to be about which tribe criminally incites its base more often, better or worse... were missing the problem.

This case is drunk guy gets in argument. Says he's afraid of the 18 year old and hits him with car. They may have been arguing over politics but there is no real connection to anything democratic leaders said that motivated him.

????

Drunk guy who gets into a argument and runs over guy with there car goes to jail.  That he says he's was afraid due to something the leader he supports said is not relevant to that.
He might want to question why support of such leader lead him into fear and landed him in jail and his fear and method was justified.  He should have enough time to reflect in jail.

Did the leader incite him to get drunk and use his car as a weapon.... much more difficult legal case to be made and has nothing to do with the Leader being right or left. More likely the leader is a *censored*ty person that does not deserve to lead. 

But that is not a question that those who follow such *censored*s will ask themselves. Easier to pretend   

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General Comments / Re: Trump looses again
« on: September 21, 2022, 03:53:56 PM »
Trumps shady doings were suspected long before he became political.
That his followers don't care and or prefer to pretend its not so is another matter 

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General Comments / Re: More incitement?
« on: September 21, 2022, 03:51:24 PM »
Words have power and our leaders should be more careful in how they say things
This is not a right or left thing its a leadership thing.
And if the argument is just going to be about which tribe criminally incites its base more often, better or worse... were missing the problem.

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General Comments / Re: Guns
« on: September 21, 2022, 10:28:59 AM »
Finding the discussion on correlation really helpful

My two cents for all its worth
I didn't read Tom's comments as anti police. Interesting how questioning assumptions is viewed as a threat instead of a opportunity to learn better to do better.
The police officers I know all struggle with the idea to serve and protect while not becoming hardened as the majority of thier integrations with the public occur when people are not at thier best.
it is understandable that in general their first approach is to view those they are interacting with as threats. The end is in the beginning so that probably isn't the most skillful approach.  That said just being conscious of that, via quality training, would probably go a long way

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Part of this is honestly the reaction of Uncle Joe and Petunia.  They've pretty much broken the mold when it comes to strategic ambiguity.  Pretty much stating that the US would assist Taiwan in case of a war.

Speaking of which, on an interview with 60 Mynewts aired last night, Uncle Joe states that the US would commit US forces to defend Taiwan from an "unprecedented" attack by Chyna.  Immediately afterwards the Whitehouse walked the statement back stated that the situation has not changed. 

LOL.  This is a new form of Strategic Ambiguity.  Where the President says one thing and immediately afterwards his staff says something different.  LOL.  I don't know if it's planned or not, but it works.  China probably doesn't know WTF we'd do.

I think its a planed strategy. Of the possible answers, No, yes, maybe,  a yes with the follow up by the admin clarify that US policy remains the same is probably the best one.

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General Comments / Re: London Bridge is Falling?
« on: September 19, 2022, 09:46:22 AM »
Hey, slagging on US beer is a Canadian pastime.

Canada has won zero world wars or superbowls.

Not to derail the slagging :) but for the sake of remembrance of service it ought to be noted that Canada had 660,000+ who served in WW1 and over a million in WW2. Engaging in the wars before the US did.
 

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In the 21 centuries does such wars make sense.  Logical reasoned sense?
Short term maybe the people rally behind a win, if they get it, and then what.

Were too connected to get to "punish" our neighbors for some historical slight or concept, not to also end up receiving a devastating kick to the nuts at best. Its not worth it. Lots of better ways to dominate then wasting the recourses for nothing.

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General Comments / Re: here comes the next ice age
« on: September 15, 2022, 01:32:10 PM »
I fondly remember working 60 hours a week as a consultant in 1998 and 1999, rewriting legacy code and redesigning logic trees so that the millennial changeover would not affect multiple critical systems for our clients.

I less fondly remember a bunch of idiots saying, a year later, "We told you everyone was overreacting and there wasn't really a problem" after planes failed to fall out of the sky and banks managed to calculate interest properly.

Same did a lot of work to make sure nothing happened. Eventually half the QA team was laid off because the site was running so smoothly, why spend money on making sure the worst doesn't happen when it isn't happening.  few months latter *censored* started to happen.

Humans suck at measuring in general and paying attention to preventative measures.
I feel good no need to watch what I eat... until...   

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General Comments / Re: The Trump Papers
« on: September 02, 2022, 06:02:44 PM »
For the life of me I can think of no valid reason for taking them.

Even if he could declassify them with a wave of the hand, to what purpose doe he need them. Declassified he could request whatever he wanted if he need them for his memoirs or whatever. Of course that would require following procedures. 

If you follow the money he is raking it in with 'donations' and looks to be on top for 2024 nomination.... But that would require a level of contempt for the nation let alone his followers that boarders on evil. Na not Trump 

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General Comments / Re: The Trump Papers
« on: September 02, 2022, 04:37:56 PM »
I'd be interested to hear from a Trump supporter, follower or apologist the reasons they think Trump took those documents home.
Would their arguments be the same is it was Obama that did the same thing?
Would the be concerned if they found empty folders that once contained classified material.

I really want to know what reason could Trump have had in taking those documents and then not giving them back when initially asked for which would have ended the matter.

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General Comments / Re: Guns
« on: September 02, 2022, 04:32:06 PM »
In the resent past political change in Russia occurred with protest not armed uprising. When the Russian mothers and grandmothers march - change happens.

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General Comments / Re: The Trump Papers
« on: September 01, 2022, 01:23:13 PM »
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However, as an aside, I find the idea of prosecuting a former president for violating an executive order, during their term of office no less, seems to be a bit... Awkward politically speaking.

Definitely awkward but Potus can't be above the law. Still I would drop all investigations if Trump agreed to quietly go away.

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General Comments / Re: The Trump Papers
« on: September 01, 2022, 12:16:04 PM »
I assume that when the president decides to declassify something that a process is required and that the intention is documented.  That something more is required then waving of one hands and saying this is so.

Has Trump or any of his apologies answered the question as to why Trump chose the documents he did to take home with him? What was his intention/purpose in holding on to these documents? What did he plan to do with them?

The argument of whether he had the power to wave his hand and declassify documents at will even after he left the office is for the lawyers to argue. (My bet is that Trumps lawyers won't because they know the answer to that) The decalcification justification is just a smoke screen meant to hide what the magician has done.

The questions Trump must answer is why he took the documents he did, what was his intention, why he didn't give them all of the back when they were asked for? 

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General Comments / Re: Election Results
« on: August 23, 2022, 11:46:06 AM »
I suspect that if you dig a little you will find A home site that provides the talking points for the day. The speed of which these talking points get disseminated is scary impressive. That they are taken as fact without question and passed along by those that are useful.

Watched a documentary on the Philippines's, amazing to watch as the majority of the population work so hard against there best interests and values. 

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General Comments / Re: Election Results
« on: August 23, 2022, 11:01:49 AM »
I guess if you are a Democrat apologist that it is easier to denigrate truth-tellers than it is to reconsider your incorrect dogma.

WM would you consider yourself a Republican apologist? How much time do you evaluate your dogma.

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General Comments / Re: Trump looses again
« on: August 18, 2022, 10:49:17 AM »
Statistically it usually doesn't end well for anyone one working closely with Trump so only a fool would want the job. For VP he needs someone that will worship him and at the same time blend into the background unnoticed. 


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General Comments / Re: Trump looses again
« on: August 17, 2022, 04:05:45 PM »
Also if any of the documents dealt with Nukes, then is is not allowed to unilaterally  declassify them.

Sorry, but you are pretending you know the law. As President, Trump was the head of all enforcement - Nuclear info included - and his decision of what or how to declassify documents was entirely up to him. You have no say in it. If the NARA librarian, who may have caused all this mischief, said that, then Biden's proposed disinformation Czar would have been forced to slap him down for lying.

You claim not to server the supreme leader Trump and then grant him all power to do as he wishes that you then project onto Biden

If Trump has the power to wave his hand and declassify documents without following any procedures that will be up to his Lawyer's to argue (my bet is that they will not) Saying that as supreme leader he has the power does not make it so. Let the courts work out this distraction to the real issues.

Tell me William to what purpose did Trump take those documents and wave his magical hands over to make it ok to take.

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General Comments / Re: Trump looses again
« on: August 17, 2022, 01:27:49 PM »
The issue if Trump could wave his hand and declassified them is part of the misdirect to muddy the waters.
The issue of taking the documents and only returning some after the first subpoena is a matter for law not public opinion. Trumps lawyers can make the above argument but I doubt they will.

The question you wont ever get answered is Why Trump chose the documents that he did to take with him and not return after the initial subpoena requesting that he do so.
To what purpose did Trump intend to use those documents?

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General Comments / Re: Trump looses again
« on: August 17, 2022, 09:17:15 AM »
silly rabbit. When the supreme "leader" does anything its has to be ok, right and good. He's supreme, that's just logic.

You are talking about Biden, aren't you?

This fixation on Trump is self-incriminating. Do you, Tom, and msquared, get a paycheck from Soros, or are you so intent on ignoring the unfair attacks that you seem to somehow miss them when you watch CNN or MSNBC?

The strawman Trump you envision in your minds is easy to laugh at - but it is not Trump. Why not explain the obvious left-wing attacks?

When was the last time you objectively questioned anything your 'leader' said or did? 
When was the last morning you didn't login to your bubble to get your talking points to disseminate without questioning what you were repeating or even why? 

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General Comments / Re: Trump looses again
« on: August 16, 2022, 04:23:19 PM »
silly rabbit. When the supreme "leader" does anything its has to be ok, right and good. He's supreme, that's just logic. 

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General Comments / Re: Trump looses again
« on: August 16, 2022, 03:46:35 PM »
Well I have first hand knowledge of second hand info of someone who new someone who had a friend of a cousin that has a photo of themselves with Hillary... Say that Hilary packed for Trump to get him in a gotcha.  I think it was Keven Bacon or someone that knows Keven Bacon. But that's what happened

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General Comments / Re: Trump looses again
« on: August 16, 2022, 02:49:29 PM »
Has Trump said why he wanted those documents? To what purpose?

The number of wild 'excuses' just another move in the Trump playbook to muddy the waters.  And the red hats lap it up never looking to deep at how they might see things differently if the likes of Hillary were involved.

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General Comments / Re: Trump looses again
« on: August 15, 2022, 01:32:24 PM »
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Trump is asking what he can do to turn the heat down on the situation?

He could stand down, retire, keep his mouth shut and not run in 2024. I'd be ok with letting him enjoy what time he has left if he just went away. it would be a positive for the GOP

But theirs just to much money in it for him, each of these self inflicted dramas makes him millions. His drones just can't stop sending him thier money and don't even care when it ends up in his pockets. Its a great scam, I don't see him giving it up.

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General Comments / Re: Trump looses again
« on: August 12, 2022, 04:03:42 PM »
but what if they were emails! Lock her up

but what if, or maybe it was this, or worse that or this and that....

Why don't we wait see, look at the laws that apply and move on from their... but that wouldn't rise any money

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General Comments / Re: Trump looses again
« on: August 12, 2022, 12:34:34 PM »
The government that would replace the government by those that don't trust government scares me.
I suspect that many aiding consciously or unconsciously in  the undermining of the institutions won't like what they will replace the institutions with but I doubt many have thought that far.

Don't be silly. Correcting government malfeasance is as time-honored an action as is possible. The reason so many people agitate for those responsible for crimes in the Democrat Party is because they seem to have gotten away with Sedition, Treason, or personal graft. The Biden Crime Family is credited with at least $31 million of blackmailable slush money. All a National Security Threat. The best response possible is to throw those predators in jail and show future criminals what can happen to them by misbehaving. Nothing for the good guys to be denigrated for.

If your review your method of reasoning, what qualifies as fact, who/what can and can not be believed and trusted - who gets to determine those truths you do not end is democracy type of government and that impact on what is considered Law and Order though you might not notice until you find yourself on the wrong side of it. 
I suspect you can't image ever finding yourself on the wrong side of the law and order you are arguing for. Having others use your reasoning methods as to what counts a fact and truth against you.

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General Comments / Re: Trump looses again
« on: August 12, 2022, 11:48:48 AM »
The government that would replace the government by those that don't trust government scares me.
I suspect that many aiding consciously or unconsciously in  the undermining of the institutions won't like what they will replace the institutions with but I doubt many have thought that far.

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General Comments / Re: Alex Jones, scumbag
« on: August 05, 2022, 12:52:16 PM »
So is this Alex Jones a psychopath, sociopath, deranged, narcissist,  evil, a con man... a person with a agenda to which the ends justify the means.
I personal never believed that he believed anything he said and somewhere in that lie lost himself

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General Comments / Re: What are some things that Biden gets right?
« on: August 05, 2022, 12:43:08 PM »
The law of God, as seen in the Bible, is clear about what is moral and immoral. And since even people who have never encountered the law know generally what is moral and immoral
So you are happy with the entirety of Leviticus as a description of good & bad?

Its a position certainly.

Leviticus is primarily a cut and paste from many religions that predated Judaism. Most were matriarchal, but the laundry lists of accepted wisdom was passed down long before the Bible.


So the Bible isn't clear on the matter of 'what is moral and unmoral'???

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General Comments / Re: Climate alarmists are wrong.
« on: August 04, 2022, 05:17:10 PM »
But if you pray real hard to the Market gods.... in the market we trust

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General Comments / Re: What are some things that Biden gets right?
« on: August 04, 2022, 04:43:54 PM »
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The law of God, as seen in the Bible, is clear about what is moral and immoral.
??? Actually did a spit take lol - Only by those who consider themselves the righteous.  Clarity is not something the bible is know for (nor is it meant to be)

Interesting how many equate the eating from "the tree of the knowledge of good and evil" as the same as knowledge of what is good and evil. Shirley they are the same thing. They are not and don't call me Shirley.

The tension between knowledge that something may be good and something evil while not knowing with certainty what is good and what is evil creates consciousness. It consciousness that throws us out of the garden. What is known to be good one moment isn't experienced as good the next, or what is experienced as good to me is experienced as evil by someone else in the same moment... what is the good, what is the bad?   A baby taking a crap feels good but the mirror looking down at it with a pinched disgustedly face indicated something else. Some thing wrong with it..... and so we hide ourselves

Knowledge of something is not the same as knowledge/wisdom of what is. History is the story of us constantly getting it wrong. The bible read through the lenses of history also points out

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General Comments / Re: Climate alarmists are wrong.
« on: August 04, 2022, 01:01:59 PM »
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When did we lose the ability to seek out the solution between extremes?
There is a part of me that honestly wants to just slap anyone who's, like, "can't we please try to find a compromise in the exact center of this question of fact?"

2+2 is not 7. But maybe it's rude to insist that it's four, and everyone should just agree that it's 5 to be nice about it.

There are Climate alarmists who demand we jump to 'clean energy' and end all dependence on fusel fuels immediately. Close the coal plant before we have the means to replace the energy via other means.
There are Economic alarmist who see any move away from fusel fuels as the end of thier prosperity and the world.

Common ground - both want to live in a economically healthy community with clean air, clean water, and clean earth. Talking about, finding and implementing the best method of how to get there is not a attempt to make 2 + 2 = 7.  That many think it is is part of the problem.

Their is no requirement or need to believe that Climate Change is happening in order to work towards a healthy community and their is a lot of evidence that moving towards clean will be economically beneficial and a even stronger economic driving force then fusel fuels were. Yes change is scary but the driving force behind the economy is always changing. (hell for a few years it was tulip bulbs) 

If anything the last 30 years ought to have taught everyone that those who don't adapt get left behind.  "boohoo the industry I've worked in all my life, and my father before me, has become obsolete... lets stop time so we can pretend it isn't".  2+2=4 move forward or get out of the way. How smartly we move forward and transition that is the question.

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General Comments / Re: Climate alarmists are wrong.
« on: August 04, 2022, 10:02:52 AM »
Climate alarmist - Economic alarmist?  The Sky is always falling

As long as thier this duality of being, this either or, all or nothing type of reasoning (mistaken for reason) I see no chance of real dialog (Says the duality alarmist).
When did we lose the ability to seek out the solution between extremes? 

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General Comments / Re: Climate alarmists are wrong.
« on: August 03, 2022, 11:54:08 AM »
you can make wine from dandelions so...
I think the point is that the UK is now producing grapes of a quality similar to that as in France which is now having trouble maintaining that quality.   

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General Comments / Re: Climate alarmists are wrong.
« on: August 02, 2022, 11:58:25 AM »
Should Climate change be the only reason for society to work towards clean water, clean air, clean earth policies.
Everyone of course wants clean water and air... but economics trumps that especially when the problem of pollution or impact of weather events isn't felt directly. Passed along to the "neighbors"

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General Comments / Re: God Exists
« on: July 25, 2022, 10:01:55 AM »
Light thinks it travels faster than anything but it is wrong. No matter how fast light travels, it finds the darkness has always got there first, and is waiting for it - Terry Pratchett
How would one measure the speed of darkness? And if measured would they find G_d :)

But I digress

Much is over my head but have been enjoying the dialog

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General Comments / Re: The Biden Economy
« on: July 20, 2022, 02:53:40 PM »
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there's exactly zero reason to believe that wages agreed between consenting adults are not reasonable.

humm... maybe other then most of history. The market gods and elite business/corporation would never and have never take advantage. So many stories of putting people and the good of all before profit, can't think of a single bad when that didn't happen. 

Ah but the qualifier 'reasonable adults', yes yes if only everyone was a reasonable as the corporation... The 'corporation' is after all a reasonable person looking out for those that serve it.

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General Comments / Re: The Jan 6 Commission
« on: July 20, 2022, 01:42:20 PM »
Here is a riddle for you
When does A lack of evidence equal proof of guilt or Facts in evidence equal proof of innocence?   

When one of ten points in evidence proves false the other nine automatically discounted... Unless nine of ten points in evidence proves false then the one rules All and determines fate

When the bad apple represents the whole and when it represents itself?

That is the 'Rule of Law'

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General Comments / Re: Musk and Twitter
« on: July 20, 2022, 10:32:38 AM »
It is pretty amazing to me how many people can't divorce their analysis of the legal issues from their personal like or dislike of Elon.  (Not in this thread but elsewhere on the internet).

It is like betting on a boxer to win or lose based on your liking them.  It is an approach to things I just can't fathom.

I definitely find it hard to try to keep it separate. I try to visualize, what if person X did this? But he really has no peers that would have made this kind of rash acquisition attempt, IMO. So the cognitive dissonance doesn't allow me to fully look at the facts of the case in full isolation. I try to rely on what experts are saying about it, but I can't be sure they don't just dislike Musk as much as I do.

I've never understood the draw of Twitter, why anyone would invest time let alone money in it? different strokes for different folks...
Maybe its all connected, taking joy in pulling down those that succeeded, companies and individuals in ways we admire and also dislike as it reveals our own lack.

Personally I wonder why so many people are so invested in thier legal/personal opinion on the matter. I can't think of a time when my opinion changed anything other then my own experience, usually to the negative. 
Before twitter I think we all understood that at some level, and if we didn't our platform to share that was limited.  After twitter we have the platform and everyone thinks that what they have to say, even if they have no knowledge about what they are talking about, must matter.

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General Comments / Re: The Jan 6 Commission
« on: July 20, 2022, 09:49:08 AM »
The secret service just happened to lose text messages from January 5th and 6th?!?

Worse they planned to purge all the records months in advance and got away with it.

Trump succeeded in turning the Secret Service into his own royal guard.

The records are on Clinton's email servers they need to open another investigation on Hillary

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General Comments / Re: The Jan 6 Commission
« on: July 07, 2022, 02:15:39 PM »
Boris Johnson gets booted for having a Party during Corvid and hiring a person accused of sexual assault or something - being tone deaf I guess.  (suspect other factors)

Meanwhile back in the USA the GOP can't seem to get away from a man with a lot of.... character baggage

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Not looking good for Ukraine.

Putin is going to gas light the win and nothing the west can/will do about it.

Jokes on him. Putin thinks NATO is the danger, just a matter of time that Russia becomes a puppet of China.

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General Comments / Re: God Exists
« on: June 27, 2022, 11:40:30 AM »
Always felt that metaphysics ought to be held lightly as eventually discussions intended to prove something end up tripping over the problem of language and ending in the absurd and or silence.
 

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General Comments / Re: SOP
« on: June 27, 2022, 11:01:58 AM »
It was just one or two (thousand or tens of thousands) bad apples.

Without a call to self reflection there is no need to notice any hypocrisy as when to make the argument that a bad apple represent the whole and when it does not.  You pick to what is convenient to your intention.

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General Comments / Re: SOP
« on: June 27, 2022, 10:24:43 AM »
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This fringe group is definitely violent and dangerous and deserves condemnation. Which is the real difference. I would assume there are exactly 0 Democratic Party politicians who support Jane's Revenge, as opposed to Republican Party politicians who downplay Jan 6th, fomented it, supported it, and fight accountability. We cannot, however, pretend that these violent groups don't exist or that the left is somehow morally superior and incapable of doing something like Jan 6th given the right provocation.

Totally agree. That said the right only needs to point to a example on the left to muddy the waters and change the conversation, and it works.
Those I know on the right would not have added the last statement for self reflection. Any call to self reflection and the point is proved, the right is justified. 

(Not calling for the end of self reflection :) )

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General Comments / Re: Thoughts and Prayers - Again...
« on: June 24, 2022, 02:28:05 PM »
"letting go" can mean a lot of things
How far do you go?  Do you hold on so tight it becomes your identity? So attached to a outcome that what's left of ones life becomes miserable?
Could think long term plan and work the system like the Gun Lobby/GOP did... but the DNC doesn't do that kind of thinking/planning. Could I guess put some energy behind that.
And then thier is the insanity question of doing the same things and expecting a different outcome. Letting go could be the letting go of what isn't working.

Polls show a large majority want gun reform but they don't vote that way. A minority of those Pro Life, Pro Gun.... they vote that way full stop. That could be something to think about.

Still the left does love its moral outrage though (as does the right) maybe we don't want things to change. Unless its our loved ones.... but what are the odds..

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General Comments / Re: Thoughts and Prayers - Again...
« on: June 24, 2022, 01:42:26 PM »
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Time for those who wanted reform to recognize they have lost and to let it go...

Are you saying that people who have loved ones who are killed should "let it go?"  That those who are might not have been killed if some stricter laws were passed should say, "Oh well, too bad, so sad.  The 2nd Amendment is so much more important than my child's life.  It's all for the best in the end"?

I don't think that is an option. :(

I don't know... Its been 20+ years I've paid any attention to this issue and nothing has changed in fact things have gone backwards. I don't see anything changing in my life time.
When do you acknowledge your pissing in the wind and change direction.  Focus on change that has some possibility of... who am I kidding

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General Comments / Re: Thoughts and Prayers - Again...
« on: June 24, 2022, 01:07:14 PM »
Supreme Court ruling expands US gun rights https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61915237
US Senate passes first gun control bill in decades https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61919752

Do we laugh or cry?

My feeling is that the Supreme Court ruling ends the matter, at least for the next 20+ years. There will be no reform
Time for those who wanted reform to recognize they have lost and to let it go and focus mental health aspects which the right won't want to pay for.... unless it comes with guns.   

I am not optimistic for the future.

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General Comments / Re: The Jan 6 Commission
« on: June 24, 2022, 01:01:13 PM »
To be fair, it probably does suck to be a progressive and thus forced to choose, in every election of your lifetime, between a party who wants to destroy you and another party that just wants to marginalize you while lying to your face.

I get it but as some point one needs to become conscious of when your working against yourself.
Just don't act surprised when your moment start losing ground you thought it already won.

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General Comments / Re: The Jan 6 Commission
« on: June 24, 2022, 12:40:15 PM »
Seeing more and more interviews with liberal progresses who are angry with Biden and won't be voting for him and that means down the ticket.
A year from now they will be wondering why they keep losing at the State and local level of government let along at the Supreme Court and blaming anyone but themselves.

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