Quote from: Wayward Son on November 02, 2022, 05:10:31 PM
Quote from: Crunch on November 02, 2022, 03:27:18 PM
Cloth masks stop viruses?
Cloth masks helped slow the spread of viruses. Ask the flu virus for the last couple of years. 
Actually John Hopkins released research that said masks only concentrate the contaminates and increase the virulence.
I have seen you make this statement before. I was surprised to see this and have tried researching it but have not found anything. Can you please provide a link because I am only seeing masking support from John Hopkins. The only thing close was a line that stated that masks are not effective unless worn correctly.
Quote from: Wayward Son on November 02, 2022, 05:10:31 PM
Quote from: Crunch on November 02, 2022, 03:27:18 PM
Only 12 years, again, to save the planet?
I assume you are referring to global warming. Your ignorance is showing again. 12 years was the estimate that some scientists made of how long it would be before CO2 levels reached a point where it would start to seriously affect the worldwide climate and make it harder to survive. But that isn't a hard-and-fast line (unless we inadvertently passed a tipping point). It was just a good line-in-the-sand, a goal post where we can say that we don't want to be here.
Because you know what happens after we pass that point? Does everybody die? Of course not. We just now have to spend money to mitigate the effects of all that CO2, along with trying to reduce our emissions of it. Because after we reach that goal post, if we do nothing, it keeps getting worse. Droughts get worse; hurricanes get even more energy from the oceans; flooding gets worse; wildfires get worse. The ocean becomes even more acidic. There is no doubt all these things will happen, because we are already seeing them happen. Anyone who denies this simply is not living in the real world.
No. Name a real scientist who says Global Warming is a serious problem. Politicians say it - and bureaucrats who make money pretending. I'm not a specialist on climate, but know enough science to know our temporary warm period is a good thing, holding nack the humanity-killing ice-age we are currently in. There are zero models that have been back-checked to prove they work. They can't even predict temperatures of the past century.
Are any climate scientists household names? Probably not. However a quick Google search can find huge lists of PHDs from around the world who are concerned about the effect. It is telling that by the late 70's Big Oil was planning on climate change mitigation for their facilities at the same time they were spending millions on denial campaigns.
Quote from: Wayward Son on November 02, 2022, 05:10:31 PM
Quote from: Crunch on November 02, 2022, 03:27:18 PM
You demand that lies not be challenged, we can see that in pretty much any thread on this forum.
Please, challenge lies. But much of the time when people "challenge lies" on this forum, and elsewhere, they use lies to challenge the supposed lies.
When people don't vet what quote, when they don't ask questions and think about whether what they are saying is true, then they can see truth as lies, black as white, up as down. If you're not based in reality, eventually you'll go off a cliff. Which is fine, if you're the only one affected. But when you try to drag the rest of us with you...
You mean like the way Fox News was working with the Trump Whitehouse to spread lies?
When the narrative doesn't fit the facts, I want to hear the facts, regardless of where they come from. Do you?
Musk has the right of it. Truth is not your version of issues. Facts are real. You are not the judge of truth, just because your politics is dependent on it.
« Last Edit: November 02, 2022, 11:07:34 PM by wmLambert »
I completely agree with your statement. The problem is that it is most of the "FACTS" you tend to use are either false or out of context. That is what happens when your information comes from an echo chamber. Confirmational bias is real and many of those who post regularly work hard to vary their sources of information to moderate it. I am not inferring that the Right holds a monopoly on crazy. It exists on the left also. The problem is that that those who used to be on the fringes of the Right have now become main stream.
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