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General Comments / Re: More incitement?
« on: September 21, 2022, 02:12:16 PM »
Incitement huh?

Quote from: Joe Biden
“Donald Trump and the Maga Republicans represent an extremism that threatens the very foundations of our Republic” . . . “MAGA Republicans pose a clear and present danger” . . .“It’s in our hands, yours and mine, to stop the assault on American democracy”

And, marching orders in hand:

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Forty-one-year-old Shannon Brandt said he was afraid 18-year-old Cayler Ellingson was “part of a Republican extremist group and that he was afraid they were ‘coming to get him.'”

So he allegedly killed Ellingson with his car.

Brandt has admitted to it already. I know a few of you are ecstatic to see one more MAGA taken out, probably think it's a good start and should be legal. Believe me, I see you.


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General Comments / Re: Trump looses again
« on: September 21, 2022, 02:08:04 PM »
Yeah, this time the walls are closing in! . For real this time! :o

Trump is the current front running political opponent. DeSantis is second. I'm sure we all love the idea of using the DOJ to target your political opponents. Right? Very democratic.

I truly hope Trump re-takes the Whitehouse just so I can see you guys lose the last failing remnants of your sanity.

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General Comments / Re: here comes the next ice age
« on: September 21, 2022, 02:05:15 PM »
Oh, great.  Just what we needed.  Something to add to the warming we're getting from the carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gasses. Like it wasn't bad enough beforehand. :(

95% of all "greenhouse" gas in the atmosphere is water vapor. It's been that way forever. By all means, be afraid, very afraid, as nothing can be done about that. But don't worry, the remaining 5% is going to make all the difference. Swearsie.

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General Comments / Re: here comes the next ice age
« on: September 15, 2022, 10:23:54 AM »
Meanwhile, two-thirds of the Great Barrier Reef in Australia recorded the highest amount of coral cover in nearly four decades. Climate change was wiping out the reef but reality just doesn't seem to be willing to comply with the fevered dreams of environmentalists. For those interested in science rather than alarmism, "the Australian Institute of Marine Science documented that approximately 22 percent of the reef experienced recent bleaching (not 93 percent, as reported in alarmist media stories), 75 percent of the bleached portion of the Reef is expected to make a full recovery.  Poor water quality resulting from nearby coastal development is the main culprit for bleached reef areas that do not recover."

Hey, remember when climate change was 100% certain to make Katrina-like storms occur regularly? Gonna be apocalyptic!  Instead, the United States recently went through its longest period in recorded history without a major hurricane strike and recently experienced its fewest total hurricanes in any eight-year period.

CLimate change enthusiasts are so frequently wrong, it's amazing they don't look in the mirror once in a while and ask questions.

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General Comments / Re: here comes the next ice age
« on: September 15, 2022, 10:17:02 AM »
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62466990

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Much of Europe is baking in record heat, which has exposed riverbeds and triggered restrictions on water use in many areas.

More evidence of climate change. Record heat and drought throughout Europe.


Yeah, it's called summer.  Happens every year.  :o

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General Comments / Re: Trump looses again
« on: August 09, 2022, 08:26:01 AM »
Trump will do that no matter what.  Are ex Presidents allowed to do anything they want since any investigation into any of their activities will be called political persecution?

Remember this when Trump or DeSantis take control and they use the fbi and irs in a similar manner. I mean, you’re really cool with that, right? I know I am. 

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General Comments / Re: The Biden Economy
« on: August 09, 2022, 08:24:35 AM »
But, we know it's Biden energy policies that is driving inflation in the country, because there is no inflation problem in any other country in the world. So it has to be something we are doing domestically.

Oh, wait...  ;)

Tell me you don't understand the oil market without telling me you don't understand the oil market.

Well, that is easy to rebut:

What the heck are you saying??  :o

I understand the oil market as well as you, maybe better!  So if you got any complaints, spell them out.  Don't sit there like some bloated Buddha and proclaim I don't know the subject without giving even a hint to what you're talking about!  Or is this your level of debate:  "Nah, nah, nah!  You don't know nothing.  Ha!  Ha! Blurrrrrp!"?

Grow up, show some respect, and explain yourself.  Or just go away and play with those who would appreciate your level of "debate."  >:(

Doubling down. Very sad. You clearly don’t know jack *censored*. I mean seriously. What you posted is so wrong it, it sounds like something a 7th grader would say.

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General Comments / Re: The Biden Economy
« on: August 09, 2022, 08:22:58 AM »
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I think you should feel like backing up your claim.
Seriously: why? I know it's not going to matter to you, because you're the most intellectually dishonest person on this forum, and I'm certainly not concerned by the suggestion that someone nameless who has presumably written for the Washington Post at least once appears to disagree with me while speaking in broad generalizations about inflation. Is there some other reason that you think your alleged quote demands a response?

Ok todd, i get it. Your mouth wrote a check you can’t cash. Everyone sees that. You hve to resort to logical fallacy to make your case which means you’re full of *censored*.

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General Comments / Re: Trump looses again
« on: August 09, 2022, 08:20:54 AM »
The Biden FBI raiding the homes of political opponents that he may run against is not the win you think it is. Well, except in third world countries. 

This better be rock solid or you just turned Trump into a martyr with the perfect rallying cry.

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General Comments / Re: The Biden Economy
« on: August 05, 2022, 01:43:14 PM »
So... great number today!!  528,000 jobs added in May! Sounds great right? CNN and MSNBC are no doubt celebrating.

Unfortunately, if they did their jobs and looked past the headline the left wants you to focus on, the story is not good.

There are 136,000 fewer people employed than there were in May. Yeah, fewer people with jobs.

Getting context from the Household Survey, we see the full picture:
 
Full time jobs: -71,000 (yep, negative)
Part-time jobs: +384,000
Multiple jobs: +92,000

Low-end, part-time, jobs are what Biden and the left are crowing about. People are taking second jobs to make ends meet due to the rampant inflation the current junta has imposed - that's why the number of drivers working for Uber went up 77% last month (not a typo). The reality is that the Biden economy is destroying good jobs and leaving us with part-time, make-shift, work to make ends meet.

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General Comments / Re: The Biden Economy
« on: August 05, 2022, 01:35:39 PM »
But, we know it's Biden energy policies that is driving inflation in the country, because there is no inflation problem in any other country in the world. So it has to be something we are doing domestically.

Oh, wait...  ;)

Tell me you don't understand the oil market without telling me you don't understand the oil market.

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General Comments / Re: The Biden Economy
« on: August 05, 2022, 01:34:31 PM »
What do you think I should feel when reading that single sentence from an unsourced article in the Post?

I think you should feel like backing up your claim. That you don't tell me a lot. A lot.

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General Comments / Re: Whose cell/womb is it anyways?
« on: July 22, 2022, 04:39:17 PM »
If only that 10 year old girl could learn the benefits of having a child. They could share the bus to school together, or even day care.

If only illegal aliens that rape children could be kept out of the US. But that's not convenient for you, is it?

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General Comments / Re: The Biden Economy
« on: July 22, 2022, 04:36:57 PM »
*sigh* No. We were a net petroleum exporter, mainly due to overproduction in the Gulf that made it make more sense to sell gas to Mexico (and, in fact, desperately unload it to anyone who'd take it) than send it back into America as prices cratered. This is not as good a thing as it sounds.

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Crunch, from everything I've ever seen you post on the topic, I'm pretty confident that I know more about the price of oil than you do. That said, inflation is not currently being driven by energy costs, regardless of the price of fuel. How can you tell? Because corporate profits, across all sectors, are outpacing costs by nearly an order of magnitude; prices are not being raised to cover currently rising costs, but at best are being raised to recoup expected costs that have not as yet materialized (and, frankly, I think that's a pretty generous reading) or, as appears to be the case for the petroleum industry, to pay back investors after a couple disastrous years.

You seem to be completely unaware of how the price of oil is determined.

I'll give you an example, via Washington Post:
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A main driver of the wave of inflation besetting the country is the price of energy — all forms of energy.

But please, go ahead and tell the class how the price of oil is set. Don't Google it! Just write out a few lines about how it's done. I'll get my popcorn.

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General Comments / Re: We gotta talk about Uncle Joe
« on: July 22, 2022, 04:34:16 PM »
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White House COVID Coordinator: "The president is doing better. He slept well last night, he ate his breakfast and lunch — fully! He actually showed me his plate...I did see an empty plate with crumbs."

Well, lookit that. Uncle Joe managed to clean his plate! Quite the accomplishment. I suppose they gave him his pudding cup and let him touch a few under age girls as a reward.

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General Comments / Re: We gotta talk about Uncle Joe
« on: July 20, 2022, 04:06:10 PM »
Crunch, give it a rest. You're like a cartoon.

That's the best you got? Are you serious? Biden literally said he has cancer. You can go see it. Your response is to engage in yet another logical fallacy -- remember when you used to call those out? Now you embrace them. Have you considered mental health care?

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General Comments / Re: The Biden Economy
« on: July 20, 2022, 04:04:36 PM »
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Most inflation right now is energy inflation.
Not to quibble, but most inflation right now is profit-taking.

Tell me you don't know how the price of oil is set without telling me you don't know how the price of oil is set.

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General Comments / Re: The Biden Economy
« on: July 20, 2022, 04:04:02 PM »
I think it's funny how when you guys are faced with fact based arguments that you don't like, you resort to platitudes and progressive alter calls rather than rebuttals.

How about you explain in detail the principles of the economy that are going to work differently?

Most inflation right now is energy inflation. Let's look at the causes of that. Energy demands dropped a lot during the pandemic. Domestic production tanked because the type of drilling done in America is more expensive. Worldwide production slowed, in part because of deals Trump struck with oil producing nations to keep prices high enough to not destroy American production. The economy picked back up and demand started to increase. Restarting wells is expensive, requires workers that have found other jobs, specialized equipment and time. Then energy prices really started picking up when Russia started sabre rattling with Ukraine and then spiked even further when they actually went to war. Those are the big factors. An Obama era energy policy that hasn't been on the books for 4+ years, the availability of being able to lease new federal lands in the last 6 months, have tiny impacts compared to those other factors.

The US spends about a trillion per year on energy. So even if we take the high, high value of 10 billion spent for the Obama era clean energy policy you would expect inflation on energy to be about 0.1% above what it would have been if all that cost had to be absorbed in one year. Make your case with facts and numbers.

America was a net oil exporter during the Trump years. It was cheap enough to drill this that it was competitive on the world market and I know for certain that we are able to produce it more cheaply than Russia.

The reason energy prices are going crazy is that the person currently occupying the Whitehouse has said very clearly that he wants to destroy the oil industry in America and has gone about doing that very effectively.

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General Comments / Re: We gotta talk about Uncle Joe
« on: July 20, 2022, 03:59:45 PM »
Biden just today:
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You had to put on your windshield wipers to get literally the oil slick off the window. That's why I and so damn many other people I grew up with have cancer.

Joe Biden has cancer. Now, given the guy's pathological lying over the last 40+ years, maybe he's just lying again. But it's a pretty big deal when the person currently occupying the Whitehouse claims to have cancer. What kind of cancer? Is he getting treatment? How does that treatment affect what little is left of his cognitive abilities? Is this fatal and, if so, how long are doctors giving him? What's the transition plan?

JFC, this is quite the bomb to casually drop so I think it's just his pathological need to lie about stuff but, come on.

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General Comments / Re: The Jan 6 Commission
« on: July 14, 2022, 08:39:40 AM »
Strange you should say that, Crunch.  Did you actually look at the video in the article?

Did you notice that there is a luggage rack on it?  That it isn't very long.  That there is no plate of metal between the front door and the back door of the vehicle?
 That it is, in fact, a Suburban (or something similar), and does not look anything like The Beast?

I must admit I missed that sentence.  But while that may be "a" Presidential limo, anyone can see that it is definitely not the Cadilliac limousine they call "The Beast."

Alas, Trump is correct (gag!) in calling Miss Hutchinson, and his supporters who said it was The Beast, liars.  ;D

Of course, Miss Hutchinson can be excused since she heard it second-hand, and may have misunderstood certain details.   Like you did. ;)

So your position is that trump was right, again, and the jan 6 committee is fulll of *censored*, again. Don’t worry, you’ll forget soon.

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General Comments / Re: The Biden Economy
« on: July 14, 2022, 08:36:47 AM »
Economists wouldn't know how to turn around the current situation even if you let any one of them do anything they wanted to make it happen. It is a complex issue, and I doubt Biden had that much to do with it. The Fed wasn't beholden to either Trump or Biden when it determined its approach in 2020, and it's not even clear they were the sole cause. QE going all the way back to 2011 could be contributing. Blah, blah, blah, I could go on. Anyone who takes sound bites about "who" is responsible for this is just looking for a way to stop thinking about it.

It’s nobody’s fault. Just one of those things. I suspect if trump was in office we’d be hearing the opposite

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General Comments / Re: The Jan 6 Commission
« on: July 13, 2022, 05:34:35 PM »
No, just pointing out the obvious to anyone that read the article that WS was .... ahem, less than honest about his claim. You would call this intellectual honesty though.

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General Comments / The Biden Economy
« on: July 13, 2022, 05:33:29 PM »
Well, let's start at the beginning:
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On Wednesday, Mr. Trump said in a speech from the White House streamed online by economic clubs around the country that the economy was the strongest on record before the coronavirus pandemic, again promising vigorous economic growth if he is given another four years in office. He also sought to stir up fear about what a victory by Joe Biden and other Democrats would mean for the U.S.

"The policies of the left would unleash an economic disaster of epic proportions," Mr. Trump said, claiming that a Democratic win would lead to sharply higher taxes and "destroy our country."

An economic disaster of epic proportions. OK.

Inflation is officially at an ear-popping 9.1% according to the current methodology. They say it's the highest in 41 years but it's a little misleading if you're trying to do historical comparisons. There was one method for reporting this pre-1980 and another methodology created in 1990. So by 1980 standards, we are at about 17%. By pre-1990 standards, we're about 14%.

This is at least as bad as 1981 and, in fact, a lot worse. Newsweek previews the impact:
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With inflation soaring in the U.S., people are increasingly turning to buy now pay later (BNPL) installment plans to pay for necessities like groceries, sparking concern among financial experts that such plans could saddle Americans with spiraling debt.
The Biden economy has seriously eroded purchasing power so people are furiously using revolving credit to make ends meet. Financially crazy but they gotta eat so they have little choice since:
Meats, poultry, fish and eggs: 14.2% increase.
Fruits and vegetables: 11.8% increase.
Electricity: 12% increase.
Utility (piped) gas service: 30.2% increase.
Household cleaning products: 9.9% increase.
Rent of primary residences: 5.2% increase.

Not to mention fuel prices driving up literally every single item on store shelves. Hopefully, Biden can successfully beg the Saudis to bail him out but he was pretty negative during the campaign about Saudi so I suspect he's gonna have to really kiss some ass, perhaps even literally (I'm sure they'll drop a 12-year-old for him on that one though so maybe a win-win for Joe).

Unemployment, how are we doing there? They're reporting it at 3.6%. I've been in an economy with 3-ish percent unemployment. Does this economy feel like that? No. Not even a little. If you want to compare historical data, the pre-1994 methodology (where long-term discouraged workers were defined out of existence) actually puts us at just under 25%. Given we're still about a million or so people less in the labor force than in 2020, seems like those long-term discouraged people may be what we're seeing. You know what this economy feels like? It feels like double-digit unemployment does.

Think not? Well, 77% of Americans say the US is heading in the wrong direction. 77%. I don't have the history on that but I don't recall any time that more than three-quarters of Americans felt that way! Jesus. This is, well, this is an economic disaster of epic proportions - Trump totally called it.

We've just had 2 quarters of economic contraction so we're officially in a recession. The only reason you're not hearing about it on CNN is the hope that they can use unemployment data to claim it's not a recession recession. But you can see, that is pretty damn weak for the million plus out of work and it will get worse as employment begins to erode in the wake of the recession.

No wonder Biden's approval rating is 33% (according to NYT so you know it's worse as they try to prop him up). Can you believe that? 33%. Biden has the entire MSM and entertainment industries doing everything possible to put lipstick on this pig and it's still at 33%. JFC.

It only took Biden about 18 months to get us to this point. What do you think the next 18 months are gonna be like? I can tell you, it's gonna be an economic disaster of epic proportions. We're pretty fvcked.

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General Comments / Re: The Jan 6 Commission
« on: July 13, 2022, 04:58:18 PM »
Oh, and just as a point of fact, anyone who said that Donald Trump couldn't have tried to grab the steering wheel to go to the "rally" on January 6 because you couldn't reach it in The Beast:  your objection is now officially irrelevant.  Trump wasn't riding in The Beast on January 6.

Donald Trump said so.

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...now they're just going with this HOAX, which is as true as me trying to strangle a Secret Service Agent from behind in, she said, 'the Beast (I wasn't even in the Beast)!

Probably should have read more than just the headline ...

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Despite Trump's denial, the January 6 committee played video appearing to show him being driven back to the White House inside the vehicle.

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General Comments / Re: Election Results
« on: June 29, 2022, 03:33:01 PM »
Try to get some sleep.

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General Comments / Re: The Jan 6 Commission
« on: June 29, 2022, 03:32:09 PM »
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In this particular fantasy, how do you imagine it went down?
I haven't given it any thought, because I honestly don't care what sort of tantrum Trump may or may not have thrown. I'm not particularly interested in salacious details regarding how much of a man-baby the last president may or may not have been, and don't really speculate about them. For me, the only interesting part of the last day of testimony was Cheney's closing mention of text messages that, on their face, appear to be transparent witness tampering; everything else is just varying degrees of "Trump continued to be a narcissistic, delusional, autocratic *censored*," which is hardly revelatory.

Right. You don't care if they're lying, you just want your delusion to be accurate and confirm all your biases. Truth be damned. Bold strategy, let's see how it plays out.

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General Comments / Re: The Jan 6 Commission
« on: June 29, 2022, 03:30:02 PM »
It seems obvious that he wanted to watch some chaos, since that's exactly what he did when it unfolded on TV. And, he already knew about the fact that people trying to attend his rally had weapons, including spears, and he was fine with that. It seems implausible that he was thinking that people were going to peacefully protest with bear spray. There's no proof to this, of course, we can't know what was in his mind. But I think if we're assigning probabilities, he wanted to them to barge in with weapons though he might have thought there would be no violence because he deluded himself into thinking the capitol police would wave them in or that Mike Pence would see the mob outside and suspend proceedings. His stated point was for the mob to make Mike Pence change his mind. It hinged on the implied threat, as he well knew that Pence wasn't going to suddenly decide that he had the power to reject the count.

So much wrong. The Beast (not Hillary) was talked about by Secret Service agents who have been in it. I will galdly take their opinion than Cassidy Hutchinson who admitted her entire testimony was second hand.

This is where the delusion meets the road. We got some (then) 23-year-old girl who has a friend that knows a guy that said Trump attacked agents and tried to take the wheel (something physically impossible). Then we have the agents that were right there in the car, actually involved in anything that went down in the limo. They 100% deny it ever happened.

Should we believe the agents, with direct first-hand experience and were the supposed targets of Trump's physical attack? Or should we believe what some random chick tells us she overheard from her cousin in California or whatever it was?

This is literally the Smollett moment of the Jan 6 commission and exposes the absolute sham of this thing.

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General Comments / Re: The Jan 6 Commission
« on: June 29, 2022, 03:13:31 PM »
"It would be illogical for Trump to want this" is, I submit, not a particularly effective argument against the possibility that Trump wanted something, based on what we have observed of his behavior over the years.

In this particular fantasy, how do you imagine it went down?

Did Trump extend his arms their full 8 feet and reach through the partition to grab the wheel, then pour himself into the front seat T1000 style? Or did he manage to somehow squeeze that 44-inch waist and Patrick Swayze-size head through the little partition space to fight his way into the front seat? Or are you imagining Trump routinely rode in the front seat, sandwiched between the agents?

I'm just curious how deep the delusion goes really.

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General Comments / Re: The Jan 6 Commission
« on: June 29, 2022, 03:08:56 PM »
Have them testify under oath then.

They have offered to do so. The Jan 6th commission doesn't want them. Any guesses why?

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General Comments / Re: The Jan 6 Commission
« on: June 29, 2022, 08:48:52 AM »
I'm trying to imagine what would have happened if Trump's driver and security had allowed him to go to the Capitol with the mob.

The protesters would probably have still attacked it (since the Proud Boys apparently had already decided to do so).

Would security still have tried to stop them?  Or would the Capitol police have stepped back and let them in?  Would they have grabbed Pence and Pelosi--and then what?  With Trump standing in the background watching it all?  :o

That would have been a coup, obvious to everyone.  By the President of the United States of America, standing with them and egging them on.  :o

We were saved by his limo driver...

I’m trying to imagine how anyone believed this story. It’s a obvious lie and, if you actually believe it, evidence of your own mental illness as it’s literally insane to accept this story as truth. Her lawyer has started walking it back. The agents involved say it never happened. Then there’s the fact it’s physically impossible. Insanity.

Quite a few of you need some help. Professional help.  Even then, I’m not sure you’ll get better but you need to start doing the work if you ever want to be normal again.

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General Comments / Re: Thoughts and Prayers - Again...
« on: June 24, 2022, 05:45:02 PM »
Supreme Court ruling expands US gun rights https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61915237
US Senate passes first gun control bill in decades https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61919752

Do we laugh or cry?

My feeling is that the Supreme Court ruling ends the matter, at least for the next 20+ years. There will be no reform
Time for those who wanted reform to recognize they have lost and to let it go and focus mental health aspects which the right won't want to pay for.... unless it comes with guns.   

I am not optimistic for the future.

Wonder how far the court would go? Do 16 year old's have the right to purchase and carry a gun? Can they carry it to school? Can we only stop and arrest them after they've started shooting people?

Can I carry an AR-15 with an expanded magazine into the supreme court building? I'm guessing the answer to this last question will remain No. Not sure about the rest.

I guess it means that the people protesting at Brett's house can be fully armed now?
Well, they’re breaking the law so…

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General Comments / Re: SOP
« on: June 24, 2022, 05:44:07 PM »
Everyone ready for this weekend’s nights of rage from the left? I wonder which city will be the first to peacefully burn?

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General Comments / Re: SOP
« on: June 24, 2022, 05:42:36 PM »
Just to be clear, Crunch: while you own guns so that you can create a zone free from government control if you deem it necessary, the difference between the one you'd create and the one that Portland liberals created is that yours for some reason wouldn't have anyone in it who'd rape or murder?

Why do you focus on such logical fallacies?

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General Comments / Re: SOP
« on: June 10, 2022, 10:21:32 AM »
What specifically is illegal, Crunch?

You know, I sometimes wonder why you guys are so grossly misinformed. It's insanely easy to figure this out with even the most rudimentary search. Of course, CNN is not reporting it so maybe that's why you seem to never actually know what you're talking about.

18 U.S. Code § 1507 - Picketing or parading:
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Whoever, with the intent of interfering with, obstructing, or impeding the administration of justice, or with the intent of influencing any judge, juror, witness, or court officer, in the discharge of his duty, pickets or parades in or near a building housing a court of the United States, or in or near a building or residence occupied or used by such judge, juror, witness, or court officer, or with such intent uses any sound-truck or similar device or resorts to any other demonstration in or near any such building or residence, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both.

Every single one of the protesters should be arrested. Immediately. However, the Whitehouse, leadership in both the house and senate, and the DOJ, all Democrat-controlled, refuse to do anything. We have an attempted assassination already (wanna bet that guy ultimately gets charged with a lesser offense or a token sentence?).

But yeah, go on and tell me how the right spent an entire summer burning down cities, created so-called "autonomous zones" where people were raped and murdered, etc, etc, etc, ad nasueum.




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General Comments / Re: SOP
« on: June 10, 2022, 10:14:07 AM »
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Pennsylvania Democratic congresswoman Chrissy Houlahan has attributed her past electoral success to her focus on "civility" and "unity." Now, she says the Republican Party is "diseased" and must be "cleansed."

Houlahan's comments came during a May 27 appearance on the Daily Beast‘s The New Abnormal podcast, which saw the congresswoman disparage Republicans as deplorable and anti-democratic.

"This is, in my opinion, a diseased Republican Party. And it needs to be cured and cleansed," Houlahan said.

Nothing like a good cleansing, and we all know what that means.

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General Comments / Re: Thoughts and Prayers - Again...
« on: June 09, 2022, 05:13:56 PM »
The point you’re avoiding is that a poorly armed and trained force defeated the US military. Now, you can try to blame that on the dementia addled “president “ - and be accurate in that assessment. But the bottom line is the taliban won. They got their country back and the US out. Nothing you say will change that fact.

So according to your definition of "defeated", if I punch someone until they are just lying there, and eventually I get bored and walk away, they have "defeated me"?

Nope. Wanna try again?

I would rate your reading comprehension...of your own statement, to be very weak if you can't see how this conclusion follows. You claim the Taliban "defeated" the U.S., and 'defeated' according to you means the U.S. decided to leave. It's simply a tautological statement, and if you can't see that then as Tom has pointed out it seems unlikely you are interested in seeing it.

JFC  ::)

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General Comments / Re: SOP
« on: June 09, 2022, 05:13:15 PM »
A day after the assination attempt on Kavanaugh, the group "Ruth Sent Us" decides to make it known where Justice Barrett's kids go to school:

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If you’re in the DC metro area, join us. Our protests at Barrett’s home moved the needle to this coverage.

Falls Church is a People of Praise stronghold. She sends her seven kids to a People of Praise school that she sat on the Board of Directors for. She attends church DAILY.

How many of you will heed Lori Lightfoots literal "call to arms"?

This is what Wayward Son calls peaceful, despite the fact it is 100% illegal. The Whitehouse and the DOJ and House Democrats refuse to act (the senate passed a bill to protect Justices, Pelosi refuses it).

This is the left in America. I know you hate looking in the mirror, and that Trump broke you, but look you must.

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General Comments / Re: Thoughts and Prayers - Again...
« on: June 08, 2022, 06:02:52 PM »
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The point you’re avoiding is that a poorly armed and trained force defeated the US military
Not the first time.

History clearly shows the occupation or aid or however you want to put it in a country that did not ask for it will fail more times then not.

Who was in charge when Afghan mission tipped over into inevitable failure - Bush. Why it took so long to admit that fact? I suspect money though the rule of charity forces me to answer more kindly
 - because we really arn't that smart.

Has to be Bush. Right? Can’t be Obama, no way! It was 20 years and one single guy from 12 years ago is the reason. Nothing anyone could’ve done, the outcome inevitable. Jesus

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General Comments / Re: Thoughts and Prayers - Again...
« on: June 08, 2022, 06:01:17 PM »
I'm hearing the types of arguments Chruch is making more and more often. My thought is in perpetration of justification for violent action the next time a election does no go the way a group making such arguments goes.

But they would be taking such action for the sake of everyone's freedom - just as they define and enforce it to be for everyone. No contradictions as the government they setup would not be a government.

Incredible you say this with the assassination attempt on kavanaugh. Completely tone deaf.

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General Comments / Re: Thoughts and Prayers - Again...
« on: June 08, 2022, 06:00:02 PM »
The point you’re avoiding is that a poorly armed and trained force defeated the US military. Now, you can try to blame that on the dementia addled “president “ - and be accurate in that assessment. But the bottom line is the taliban won. They got their country back and the US out. Nothing you say will change that fact.

So according to your definition of "defeated", if I punch someone until they are just lying there, and eventually I get bored and walk away, they have "defeated me"?

Nope. Wanna try again?

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General Comments / Re: SOP
« on: June 08, 2022, 05:59:25 PM »
I see your hypocrisy is intact … as are the logical fallacies you so rely on.

The reality is the left is ok with this. From congressional baseball practices to justice’s homes, assassination is cool (remember the leftist assassination chic of the bush years). When it comes to violence, it’s always liberals.

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General Comments / Re: Thoughts and Prayers - Again...
« on: June 08, 2022, 04:31:18 PM »
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But you know what, they didn't. You can say the US "chose" to leave but the reality is the US did, in fact, surrender the battlespace to the Taliban - running away so quickly that they left billions in equipment behind

I couldn't verify but heard suggestions that the Military delayed bringing back equipment (planning a proper withdraw) to force Badin's hand in staying longer and or assumed Biden would change his mind. That leaving that equipment behind benefited the military complex.... not that anything can be proved so the rule of charity states we ought to accept that the Military assumed the Afghan forces would hold, at least long enough to, withdraw in a orderly manner.

In my books the failure of the orderly withdraw lands fully on the Military

And who was the commander in chief of the military during this debacle?

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General Comments / Re: Thoughts and Prayers - Again...
« on: June 08, 2022, 04:30:25 PM »
But you know what, they didn't. You can say the US "chose" to leave but the reality is the US did, in fact, surrender the battlespace to the Taliban - running away so quickly that they left billions in equipment behind. If the US "chose" to leave, they would have done so in a way that did not arm the enemy.

So you think the hastily-planned exit was a result of conditions where - after 20 years of occupation - the Taliban suddenly achieved a superior position? Because the right-wing interpretation of events seems to typically be that Biden botched the exit in the (failed) attempt to make the exit a surprise. What advantage he could have gained by such a surprise I don't know, but it may have involved throwing allies under the bus. What any of that has to do with Taliban resistance or how this speaks to the 2nd amendment is beyond me.

The point you’re avoiding is that a poorly armed and trained force defeated the US military. Now, you can try to blame that on the dementia addled “president “ - and be accurate in that assessment. But the bottom line is the taliban won. They got their country back and the US out. Nothing you say will change that fact.

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General Comments / SOP
« on: June 08, 2022, 04:27:00 PM »
Remember this gem:
“I want to tell you Gorsuch, I want to tell you Kavanaugh: You have released the whirlwind, and you will pay the price. You won't know what hit you." - Democrat leader Chuck Schumer

And this one:
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Leftist activists are directing protestors to confront conservative Supreme Court Justices at their homes in Maryland and Virginia.

Justices John Roberts, Clarence Thomas, Amy Coney Barrett, Samuel Alito, Brett Kavanaugh, and Neil Gorsuch are all targets by an organization called, “Ruth Sent Us.” The organization has published the justices’ supposed home addresses online for the radical protestors to locate.

Well, message received:

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A man carrying a gun, a knife and zip ties was arrested Wednesday near Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh's home in Montgomery County, Maryland, after threatening to kill the justice, authorities say.

Nicholas John Roske, of Simi Valley, California, was identified in a criminal complaint charging him with the attempted murder of a Supreme Court justice. He was dressed in black when he arrived by taxi just after 1 a.m. outside Kavanaugh's home in Chevy Chase.

Roske had a Glock 17 pistol, ammunition, a knife, zip ties, pepper spray, duct tape and other items that he told police he would use to break into Kavanaugh's house and kill him, according to a criminal complaint and affidavit filed in federal court in Maryland.

So we got Schumer promoting violence against justices and leftist activists group supplying the directions. I suppose we’re gonna talk about this insurrection?

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General Comments / Re: Thoughts and Prayers - Again...
« on: June 08, 2022, 03:18:37 PM »
Look, if the Taliban was able to force the US to surrender

You keep resting your argument on this...but it's beyond weird that you have this idea that the Taliban forced the U.S. to do anything. The U.S. chose to leave, because it was no longer politically viable or useful to be there. Maybe the poppy fields weren't enough of a reason anymore. Whatever it was, the "force" of the Tablian was insignificant in the equation. If the U.S. had felt like staying there they easily could have. This is the basis of your idea that civilian resistance against government can be effective using nothing but assault rifles?

But you know what, they didn't. You can say the US "chose" to leave but the reality is the US did, in fact, surrender the battlespace to the Taliban - running away so quickly that they left billions in equipment behind. If the US "chose" to leave, they would have done so in a way that did not arm the enemy. The lesson of the Taliban and the North Vietnamese is that a small, outgunned, determined enemy can force the US to "choose" to surrender (or whatever euphemism you prefer). If it came down to it, how long do you think it would take for the US government to "choose" to exit a civil war against a much better trained, better armed, and equally determined enemy? I can tell you one thing, it won't be 20 years.

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General Comments / Re: Thoughts and Prayers - Again...
« on: June 08, 2022, 03:12:23 PM »
So your premise, Crunch, is that the Michigan Militia will be more likely to find it acceptable to kill our men and women in service of the Constitution than the reverse?
No.  ::)

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General Comments / Re: Thoughts and Prayers - Again...
« on: June 08, 2022, 01:03:36 PM »
The point you guys continue to ignore, for obvious reasons, is that the Taliban secured the unconditional surrender of US forces. They did it without WMDs or even any air support. How do square that reality with your WMD requirements fantasy?

How do you square your fantasy? Countries facing an existential threat don't give up and walk away. We got defeated in Vietnam, because we could walk away.  Soviets in Afghanistan. British in India and America. Your hypothetical civil war isn't something the United States government or its military forces could walk away from. Even the Basque have a better chance than the Michigan Militia fantasy scenario, because at least theoretically France and Spain could let them win and their countries would exist largely intact. You're going to have to render the United States armed forces incapable of fighting back, either by your backyard armaments or by convincing enough soldiers to stage a coup in defense of the Constitution, to which they swore their oath. You'll certainly find people within those ranks who will do that under the right circumstances, but they will likely be ineffective unless military leadership decides to jump in.

This is a common foundation for the fantasy of military power - despite the indisputable fact it's been disproven.

Can the military walk away from it? Well, turns out that military operations on US soil are against the law except in very narrow circumstances (18 U.S. Code § 1385). It would be quite the needle to thread to get the military to accept orders for offensive action against US citizens on US soil. Here's a fun fact, when I was in they did a study that seemed like everyone in the military was required to participate. They asked us if so ordered, would we attack a US city/state? They've done this a few times I'm aware of and the results typically fall in the range of 30% to 50% saying they would not. Think about it, you got some guy from Kansas City taking a bomber through his childhood neighborhood and dropping ordinance, he's pretty much not going to do it. Nor would a soldier or marine go house to house on a search and destroy mission with the people he knew growing up inside. You would get people that refuse those orders and they would likely have the legal cover to do so since they are almost certainly illegal orders. But if they were legal, you still ain't getting soldiers and airmen to kill their neighbors, the only question is how many?

Let's just take the low end, 30% would refuse to kill their fellow citizens. Do you know what percentage starts degrading combat effectiveness. 30%. The range varies but with 50% to 69% of the military available and willing, the US military will be struggling or fail to accomplish objectives. They would start this fantasy civil war already teetering on the edge of combat effectiveness. The US has about 1.4 million people in its military. At 30% it would be down to just under a million. The US has over 17 million veterans, many are combat tested and trained on the same equipment the US military is using. If only 10% of them joined the war and fought, it would be essentially number parity or slight advantage to the non-government forces. Plus, they would be armed with the deadliest weapon ever to grace the battlefield, the AR15. Not to mention all the civilians that would join in.

Look, if the Taliban was able to force the US to surrender when they're using nothing more than rusty AKs and sketchy IEDs and have the training of a 5th-century goat herder, then a well trained and motivated force like the US veterans in the civilian population is going to be a hell of a thing to handle. It would make the first civil war seem tame by comparison.

That's the beauty of the second amendment, people like you cannot enslave others by force. If you try, the cost will be so high as to make success unpalatable.

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General Comments / Re: Thoughts and Prayers - Again...
« on: June 08, 2022, 09:41:38 AM »
corporations are not people and I think we would all agree that treating them as though they are is a bad idea. It’s also extremely unlikely Gates, Musk, Bezos, et al are going to buy WMDs. They’ll buy politicians, cheaper and easier to do.

Haha, are you joking? Musk would totally buy ridiculous armaments and then tweet about them all the time. He's a technophile. And Bezos the narcissist, yeah, I'm sure his moves would all be based on Vulcan logic.

Yeah? Then why hasn't he? Where's his F18 and his B2? Where are his tanks and private army to support and use them? Are you thinking he's put nukes in space on a secretly orbiting space station?

If you say he would totally buy them, point out to me where he has. Let's see this list of military hardware wealthy people buy that you fantasize about.

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General Comments / Re: Thoughts and Prayers - Again...
« on: June 08, 2022, 09:37:50 AM »
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And how can you feel safe knowing that their next-door neighbor has a 10-kiloton atomic bomb, and you don't??

My god, how could you possibly defend yourself? ;)

You think the next door neighbor can shell out millions to aquire a nuclear bomb and the roughy $1.8 million per year to maintain it? Really?

My god, do you even hear yourself?

Maybe not my next door neighbor but there are individuals who could.  There are also corporations that could.  But why choose the most extreme.  The Oklahoma City bomber used fertilizer.  Is C4 more affordable?  How many people can you kill with it detonated at the correct time and place?  I know I need it to protect myself from the nut cases in the government, roving gangs of thugs, and/or the next zombie apocalypse.

corporations are not people and I think we would all agree that treating them as though they are is a bad idea. It’s also extremely unlikely Gates, Musk, Bezos, et al are going to buy WMDs. They’ll buy politicians, cheaper and easier to do.

Heard of Citizen's United?
Citizen's United over­turned elec­tion spend­ing restric­tions that date back more than 100 years, essentially giving corporations first amendment rights. It can just as easily be challenged and overturned and likely should.
You are also ignoring the questions about cheaper means of mass killing.  I agree that Nukes are a long shot but you refuse to recognize limits so all possibilities are fair game.
ALL possibilities are fair game ... except that the possibility that they might be a law-abiding citizen with no intent to harm anyone. That possibility is just not allowed.

The idea that any individual has the means and desire to acquire a nuclear weapon is just absurd, it's the stuff of fiction. And that they would actually use one? Come on, can we stay in reality just a little bit and not go down the road of logical fallacies?


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General Comments / Re: Thoughts and Prayers - Again...
« on: June 08, 2022, 09:30:50 AM »
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I dunno. Is he sitting there quietly and reading a book? Should I feel threatened by that? Why?
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How do you know he isn't one of the people you claim needs mental health care? Mass shooters aren't walking around muttering and twitching. They are just angry, frustrated, and hopeless. Can you tell at a glance that he's just waiting for the car to get crowded then pull all the pins and kill as many people as he can?

Well, can you tell at a glance that he's normal? Odds are really good that he is. If he's a normal dude, sitting there quietly, why should he be deprived of his rights? We don't know how he'd vote too, maybe we should curtail that right? You know, just in case. But if he jumped up and started pulling out a grenade, do you think I would just sit there and consign myself to the fate he dictates?

If he's sitting there unarmed then that isn't a possibility you need to consider.
The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, you know. Because you're fearful, does not mean he loses his right to presumption of innocence.

If he's sitting there unarmed, then shouldn't we also consider his grenades are concealed?!?! Oh my God, he could have a dozen grenades under that jacket or in his backpack! Perhaps even a small-scale thermonucelar warhead, just ready to detonate! ER MAH GERD, BERMBS ERVERERWHER!

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