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General Comments / Re: Election Results
« on: November 19, 2020, 02:11:52 PM »
If the Supreme Court decided to throw out some votes (they won't).  Then, by definition, they would not be legitimate.

General Comments / Re: Election Results
« on: November 05, 2020, 07:46:14 AM »
I've seen pundits on the left saying essentially the same thing.  For different reasons of course.

so then Trump was not flying an official American flag at one of his rallies?   Sounds pretty un American to me for a guy running for President.  Just imagine if Obama had had a rally with out an official American flag?

Looks to me like he did.  Why do you assume he did not?

It was the only one in the article Donald linked to, so I assumed that's the flag he was referring to.

The Thin blue line flag has no association with racism, hatred or bigotry, It’s a flag to show support for law enforcement—no politics involved.

To clarify, its cool to change the colors of the flag to support law enforcement but unpatriotic to kneel during the national anthem to raise awareness of racial injustices?

Is there a rule book somewhere of what's okay? Because I've always thought of kneeling as a respectful gesture as well, maybe that's the religious prayer upbringing.

If it's not Red White and Blue it's not the American flag.

The Thin blue line flag has no association with racism, hatred or bigotry, It’s a flag to show support for law enforcement—no politics involved.

General Comments / Re: Voting mechanisms
« on: October 22, 2020, 12:31:16 PM »

It's happening on the other side as well.   People in New Hampshire with Trump signs on their lawns have been receiving threatening mail.  Though I think in this case what the leftists are doing is far more egregious.

Dear Neighbor,

You have been identified by our group as being a Trump supporter.

Your address has been added into our database as a target for when we attack should Trump not concede the election.

We Recommend that you check your home insurance policy and make sure that is current and that it has adequate coverage for fire damage.

You have been given "Fair Warning".

Always remember, that it was "you" that started this Civil War.

Be prepared to face the severe consequences of your pre-emptive actions against democracy.

General Comments / Re: Messages from Joe Biden
« on: October 14, 2020, 04:18:57 PM »
Joe Biden in May.

America’s the only nation in the world that when we’ve gone through a major crisis, we’ve almost always been able to come get through it and come out stronger. I’m hopeful. I’m going to need you if we win. I’m going to need you to help this time rebuild the backbone of this country, the middle class, but this time bring everybody along regardless of color, sexual preference, their backgrounds, whether they have any … Just bring everybody along.

In the words of Mazie Hirono... The LGBTQ+ community should be concerned with #WhatsAtStake with Joe Biden in the White House.

General Comments / Re: Messages from Joe Biden
« on: October 13, 2020, 11:55:47 AM »
“Gallup reported last week 56% of Americans said they were better off today than they were four years ago—would’ve been under the Obama-Biden administration,” the reporter said to Biden. “So why should people who feel they are better off today, under the Trump administration, vote for you?”

Biden responded, “Well, if they think that, they probably shouldn’t.”

What would you call people who weren't smart enough or worldly enough to get out of risking their lives when they didn't have to?  Something like...losers and suckers? :) ;)


General Comments / Re: Russian Influence, where is the beef?
« on: October 11, 2020, 09:50:08 AM »
I didn't suggest that either of them don't have the right to speak.  They certainly do.  Again, keep it up with the strawman arguments, you have nothing else to work with.

Whether they are working on orders from above is irrelevant, They are representatives of the Goverment and they are attempting to influence our politics.  Stop moving the goalposts.

I asked you about countries, and you're talking about individuals who (in your own ignorant delusions and nowhere else) are "representatives of their governments" because they have the title of Duke and Duchess. You're the one moving the goalposts, or you're utterly ignorant about how the UK government works.

But sure, okay, I'm worried about Russia influencing politics, and you're worried about the Duke of Essex influencing politics. Even so, however, and let's imagine for a sec that he was indeed the sovereign of his own nation or whatever, it seems to me that he's trying to influence politics openly by public statements, while Russia is trying to influence politics covertly, via espionage, and secretly funding campaigns.


“So has Germany, France, Italy, UK, Spain, Japan, Brazil, Canada, Israel, Saudi Arabia, etc, done similar acts (funding political campaigns in social media, hacking enemy politicians) to favour one political side or the other (or both) in the United States, or has it just been Russia?”

In recent history, the most blatant funding of a political campaign by a foreign government, was during Barry’s tenure as president. He diverted taxpayer dollars, and assigned political advisors to Israel in an effort to unseat Benjamin Netanyahu.

That's the United States affecting another country, not another country affecting the United States. Yeah, USA is an imperialist nation, you try to affect the politics of other countries, we know, EVERYONE knows. The question was about the other way around, whether there are other countries (besides Russia) who do that to you.

Ok, your argument is reduced to calling me names.  I think that speaks to your ignorance, not mine.

General Comments / Re: Russian Influence, where is the beef?
« on: October 11, 2020, 08:40:11 AM »
I didn't suggest that either of them don't have the right to speak.  They certainly do.  Again, keep it up with the strawman arguments, you have nothing else to work with.

Whether they are working on orders from above is irrelevant, They are representatives of the Goverment and they are attempting to influence our politics.  Stop moving the goalposts.

General Comments / Re: Russian Influence, where is the beef?
« on: October 11, 2020, 08:28:21 AM »
They are in fact part of the Government of the UK.

I don't think they could reasonably be called that, no.

From the entire monarchical system of the UK probably only the Queen herself might be reasonably called that. Not just anyone with a title, unless you're gonna argue that Sir Ian McKellen is also part of the government of the UK, just because he has a title.

They are members of the Royal Family which is the Monarchy part of the Constitutional Monarchy of the United Kingdom.  Which is a lot different from a Knight or any other honorary non-royal title.  If they were to give up their titles, they yes, they would no longer be part of the government. But, they have very deliberately chosen not to do that. 

General Comments / Re: Messages from Joe Biden
« on: October 11, 2020, 08:22:46 AM »
Biden on Race.

“The new integration plans being offered are really just quota systems to assure a certain number of blacks, Chicanos, or whatever in each school. That, to me, is the most racist concept you can come up with, What it says is, ‘In order for your child with curly black hair, brown eyes, and dark skin to be able to learn anything, he needs to sit next to my blond-haired, blue-eyed son.’ That’s racist!”

"I mean, you got the first mainstream African American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy," Biden once said of former President Barack Obama. "I mean, that's a storybook, man."

General Comments / Re: Messages from Joe Biden
« on: October 11, 2020, 08:21:12 AM »
Biden on Crime.

“Quite frankly, the president’s plan is not tough enough, bold enough, or imaginative enough to meet the crisis at hand, In a nutshell, the president’s plan does not include enough police officers to catch the violent thugs, enough prosecutors to convict them, enough judges to sentence them, or enough prison cells to put them away for a long time.”

"We have predators on our streets that society has in fact, in part because of its neglect, created," said Biden, then a fourth-term senator from Delaware so committed to the bill that he has referred to it over the years as "the Biden bill."
"They are beyond the pale many of those people, beyond the pale," Biden continued. "And it's a sad commentary on society. We have no choice but to take them out of society."
In the speech, Biden described a "cadre of young people, tens of thousands of them, born out of wedlock, without parents, without supervision, without any structure, without any conscience developing because they literally ... because they literally have not been socialized, they literally have not had an opportunity." He said, "we should focus on them now" because "if we don't, they will, or a portion of them, will become the predators 15 years from now."
Biden added that he didn't care "why someone is a malefactor in society" and that criminals needed to be "away from my mother, your husband, our families."

General Comments / Re: Russian Influence, where is the beef?
« on: October 11, 2020, 07:55:38 AM »

How about the Duke and Duchess of Sussex?
Ah, so you admit Russian's actions are wrong, that the US should protect itself, that not protecting the country is a failing of the current administration, but you're just exercising your right to what-about it.  Or did you mean something else when you posted this?

As Aris mentioned, though - they are not a government, and are not working for a foreign government.

Also, Meghan Markle is even a citizen of the USA.

I admitted nothing.  Don't put words in my mouth.  Aris asked for examples of other countries doing the same.  I provided one.

Markle is both a citizen and a member of the UK Royal Family.  It is possible to be a us citizen and a member of a foreign government at the same time.

General Comments / Re: Messages from Joe Biden
« on: October 11, 2020, 07:25:17 AM »
“Make sure to vote, Because the only way we lose this is by the chicanery going on relative to polling places.”

General Comments / Re: Russian Influence, where is the beef?
« on: October 11, 2020, 07:23:49 AM »
They are in fact part of the Government of the UK.

General Comments / Re: Russian Influence, where is the beef?
« on: October 11, 2020, 07:17:40 AM »

General Comments / Re: Messages from Joe Biden
« on: October 11, 2020, 06:03:36 AM »
“The only court packing that’s going on right now is going on with the Republicans packing the court now. It’s not constitutional what they’re doing [inaudible] focus on what’s happening right now. [Coughs] The fact that is that the only packing going is this court [inaudible] by the Republicans after the vote has already begun. I’m gonna stay focused on it [so we] don’t take your eyes off the ball here.”

Has he even read the constitution?

So why didn't Trump mention his bone spurs when he was walking down that ramp so slowly?  In fact, why don't we hear about his bone spurs in his medical reports?

AFAIK, bone spurs don't go away.  You have them for life.  Did he misplace his?  :D

I have never heard Biden talk about his Asthma Either.  What's your point?

They didn't just hand out medical deferments for no reason during the Vietnam draft.  He would have received an exam from Military Doctors and been allowed to present documentation of medical concerns from a private physician.  But, ultimately the Military Doctors and the Local Draft board would have to have been convinced.   I believe Biden also received a bunch of deferments for Asthma, I don't see you making up pejorative nicknames about him.

As a military veteran myself,  Though I'm too young to have served in Vietnam, I hold ill will towards anybody that was able to convince the bureaucracy they shouldn't be drafted.

Ok, so you admit that he didn't lie and you were lying when you accused him of it.

I think you are lying when you accuse the doctor of lying.

That would be CNN's job wouldn't it?  Why haven't they done it?

And apparently, other doctors at Walter Reed disagree.

A non-military attending physician at Walter Reed National Medical Center harshly criticized President Donald Trump’s motorcade photo op as something which could endanger lives of Secret Service agents who accompanied him in his SUV.

“Every single person in the vehicle during that completely unnecessary Presidential 'drive-by' just now has to be quarantined for 14 days. They might get sick. They may die. For political theater. Commanded by Trump to put their lives at risk for theater. This is insanity,” Dr. James Phillips tweeted.

But putting aside the possible political and ass-covering motivations of anybody involved: people are generally infectious for 10 days following initial symptoms, and Trump by all accounts was only 2 days away from first showing symptoms.  He was basically at his peak of infectiousness.  Getting into a closed vehicle with other people for no other reason than a photo op, and with people who had no choice in the matter, is simply irresponsible.

And what do those in the Secret Service have to say about it?

Afterward, members of the Secret Service voiced escalating concern at what many of the agency's personnel have determined is total disregard for their well-being amid a deadly and highly contagious pandemic.

"That should never have happened," one current Secret Service agent who works on the presidential and first family detail said after Trump's drive-by, adding that those agents who went along for the ride would now be required to quarantine.

"I mean, I wouldn't want to be around them," the agent said, expressing a view that multiple people at the Secret Service also voiced in the wake of Sunday's appearance. "The frustration with how we're treated when it comes to decisions on this illness goes back before this though. We're not disposable."
Another veteran Secret Service agent also expressed deep dismay at the Walter Reed ride, though was sympathetic for those around the President given the difficulty in pushing back on the commander-in-chief.
"You can't say no," the agent said.

I don't imagine it was hard for CNN to find a couple of Trump haters to give quotes.  None of whom were privy to the decision making process or the precautions taken.  Has Dr. James P. Phillips been even remotely involved with Trump's care?

In the "actions speak louder than words" department: Trump orders Secret Service agents to risk their lives driving around the block for a photo op

This isn't getting between a bullet and the president, nor even jumping on a grenade: this is sitting in a hermetically sealed vehicle with somebody who is symptomatic with COVID19 to the degree of needing breathing assistance, and on experimental treatments to combat those symptoms, all for a political stunt.

I have heard several of his proxies voicing the new talking points about how seriously Trump is taking the virus, especially now that he is among those with first hand experience, but that is completely belied by his gratuitous willingness to put the people tasked with protecting his life in danger.

In hospitals, those tasked with treating COVID-19 patients are in full PPE, including gowns, N95 masks, eye protection, gloves with proper ventilation... whereas these poor shmucks were in a tiny enclosed space with limited if any ventilation wearing nothing but masks.

Apparently, The Expert Doctors at Walter Reed cleared it as safe. But you know better, right?

General Comments / Re: Ruth Bader Ginsberg
« on: September 21, 2020, 12:16:25 PM »
Bush had 14 judicial nominees withdrawn and 177 to never get a vote. Obama had 4 withdrawn and 87 to never get a vote. Even with McConnell holding it up for Obama’s last two years, Bush had more than twice the blocked judicial nominations.

General Comments / Re: Ruth Bader Ginsberg
« on: September 20, 2020, 06:20:00 AM »
In Ginsberg's own words when asked if the Senate had an obligation to assess Judge Garland’s qualifications, her answer was immediate.

“That’s their job,” she said. “There’s nothing in the Constitution that says the president stops being president in his last year.”

Many of you on this board were making the same argument at the time.

The fact is that elections have consequences.  Democrats in the Senate under Reid were tired of the minority using traditional Senate rules to block the Majority's agenda, So they changed the rules.  Nobody should be surprised that the Republicans under McConnell continued the trend that the Democrats began.

Under this new regime, if you want to appoint a Judge you better have control of both the Presidency and the Senate.

Fake news.  I just watched the video. This is what a peaceful protest is supposed to look like. They didn't force their way in, They waited peacefully at the entrance until they were let past.  On what grounds do you think they should have been arrested?

This list was being projected on the Justice Center by protesters while Mayor Wheeler was addressing the crowd.  Looks like a BLM logo on it?  How does anyone know they "speak for the collective"?  Isn't that part of the problem with the idea of just giving them what they want? 

I think the vast majority of them have no idea what they want, they just want to be considered "Woke" by their peers which enables extremists to use them for their own ends.


Their demands have been made.
  • Defund the Portland Police Bureau (PPB) by at least 50% and “reinvest into the communities, especially the black community.”
  • Free all protesters from jail
  • Get federal law enforcement officers out of Portlandl
  • Force Wheeler to resign

Does anyone actually believe ANY of those are going to happen?

Well, the evidence is that they let many go without any charges being laid, and only hours later :) ... and of course, the other people that they simply assaulted without even arresting them - just used them as punching bags, without even a pretence of evidence of a crime.

All the while, you know, without being identifiable in any way, masked, without even a designation of what arm of the military or state to which they belong.

I continue to be bemused that conservatives are so adamant that the federal government should be able to use completely unaccountable, anonymous forces against the citizenry.  But then, conservatives used to pretend to care about deficits, and about not confirming judges in an election year, too...

Ok, you admit you have no actual knowledge about why these people were detained, what they were suspected of doing, what charges have been or may be in the future brought against any of them.  Basically your problem seems to be that you find these guys scary and they are trying to punish your political allies for the crimes they have committed and you don't like it.

How exactly do you know what evidence of crimes they might or might not have?  Please provide citations. I do not believe that the people they are picking up are random in any way.  As usual, you attribute the worst motives possible to anyone who doesn't agree with your politics.

Don't worry TheDeamon,  They just want to talk.

"Every precinct every town, burn the precinct to the ground"

Portland Police Association building set on fire.

If you are marching with this group, even if you don't yourself light something on fire or throw something at the police.  You are just as guilty as the ones that do.  You can't claim that you were just there to protest peacefully. And you shouldn't be surprised if you get arrested.

The text of the part of their constitution they are trying to repeal.  There is no replacement.

(a) The State shall not discriminate against, or grant preferential treatment to, any individual or group on the basis of race, sex, color, ethnicity, or national origin in the operation of public employment, public education, or public contracting.

Who are the racists again?

General Comments / Re: The Great Unmasking
« on: June 24, 2020, 03:06:35 PM »
Today, The DC Circuit ordered the Flynn charges dismissed.

These clearly established legal principles and the
Executive’s “long-settled primacy over charging decisions,”
Fokker Servs., 818 F.3d at 743, foreclose the district court’s
proposed scrutiny of the government’s motion to dismiss the
Flynn prosecution. Before this court, the district judge explains
that he plans to “question the bona fides of the government’s
motion,” Sullivan Response 29 (quotation marks omitted),
“inquire about the government’s motions and representations,”
Sullivan Reply 26, “illuminat[e] the full circumstances
surrounding the proposed dismissal,” id. at 12, and probe
“whether the presumption of regularity for prosecutorial
decisions is overcome” in “the unusual facts of this case,”
Sullivan Response 3. A hearing may sometimes be appropriate
before granting leave of court under Rule 48; however, a
hearing cannot be used as an occasion to superintend the
prosecution’s charging decisions, because “authority over
criminal charging decisions resides fundamentally with the
Executive, without the involvement of—and without oversight
power in—the Judiciary.” Fokker Servs., 818 F.3d at 741. The
district court’s orders appointing an amicus, see infra 8–10, and
scheduling the proposed hearing therefore constitute clear legal

General Comments / Re: Trump and the OGW miss the point, again
« on: June 21, 2020, 10:17:19 PM »
So, I'm curious,  What are these qualifications that are so hard to find?

General Comments / Re: Protestors vs. Rioters
« on: June 15, 2020, 05:54:19 PM »

From what I recall, police initiated contact around 10:30pm with the suspect as he was sleeeping while parked in the drive thru.

It varies from location to location but in many areas, it is not uncommon for Wendy's stores to be shut down by 10 PM. Given he was sleeping in the drive thru lane, I'd lay odds the store was closed. There may have still been some workers present doing cleanup/post-shift work getting things ready for the morning crew, but that would have only been a very small number of people.

The bodycam video has been released  You can see that the drive through is open and busy.  His car is stopped right in the middle of the line and he is asleep in it.  He also administers the breathalyzer on camera.  I was surprised at how dangerous the physical scuffle looked to me.  The officers were being careful not to be overly rough, no strikes thrown just trying to restrain him. Even 2 on one they were not able to control him and he was able to get a tazer away from one of them.

General Comments / Re: The CHAZ
« on: June 11, 2020, 02:28:12 PM »
But they are just protesting.

General Comments / Re: The CHAZ
« on: June 11, 2020, 02:20:06 PM »
Well it didn't take very long for the CHAZ to develop it's own self-appointed violent police force.

Also, Apparently Raz Simone has been seen carrying an AR-15 around in the CHAZ.

0:35: "We are the police of this community now!"

6:20: "For your own safety, you need to go" seems like a thinly veiled threat

7:10: "You might need a little love tap" as a cutesy way of describing earlier assault

9:10: "We got to the point where addressing the point physically was the best way to get our point across."

11:00: Video blacked out as conflict heats up.

12:30: Someone starts yelling "WHAT THE *censored*" for reasons unclear. Based on later context, this appears to be when most of the assault occurred, may have involved kicking, definitely broke his glasses.

13:20: "Give me your phone and sit down." / "You just broke my glasses! I'm blind!" /"If you don't sit down, I'll make you sit down!"

13:45: "You just broke my glasses and stole my phone!"

14:45: "You just broke my glasses!" "Yeah, we should have broken your face!"

15:10: "Don't be making no threats n****, I'll blow your brains out" (the "threat" appears to have been "I want to leave here within the next 15 minutes", I think?)

General Comments / Re: We gotta talk about Uncle Joe
« on: April 21, 2020, 09:58:31 AM »
Maybe your problem is you're not offering a wage that non h1b slaves will work for.

General Comments / Re: AMZN
« on: January 31, 2020, 10:59:12 AM »
They do have the amazon basics products though and I think its the most anti-competitive thing they are doing. They use their internal sales data to find the  most profitable items to sell and then private label them at a better price, pushing out the competition.  It's brilliant from a business perspective. But, if they get in trouble with the regulators it will probably be because of this.

I think it illustrates the point that many on the left are very comfortable equating "MAGA people" with Nazi's.  I live in Massachusetts, this type of thinking is all over my facebook feed.

Kyle Jurek, a Bernie Sanders Field Organizer has this to say:

"Do you even think, that some of these, like, MAGA people could be "re-educated?" asks the Veritas journalist

"We gotta try, so like, in Nazi Germany after the fall of the Nazi party, there was a *censored*-ton of the populace that was *censored*ing Nazi-fied," said field organizer Kyle Jurek.

"Germany had to spend billions of dollars re-educating their *censored*ing people to not be nazis. Like, we're probably going to have to do the same thing here," he added. "That's kind of what all Bernie's whole *censored*ing like "Hey, free education for everybody - because we're going to have to teach you not to be a *censored*ing Nazi""

"there's a reason Joseph Stalin had gulags," adding "And actually, gulags were a lot better than what the CIA has told us that they were. Like, people were actually paid a living wage in gulags, they had conjugal visits in gulags, gulags were actually meant for like re-education."

“[The] greatest way to break a *censored*ing billionaire of their privilege and their idea that their superior, go and break rocks for 12 hours a day. You’re now a working class person and you’re going to *censored*ing learn what the means, right?”

How do you know a Nazi when you see one?

Where is this list of Undesirables?  I want to make sure I'm not on it.

Wearing Nazi paraphernalia or espousing Nazi beliefs is a good indicator. I admit there can be a problem of target identification so one shouldn't be too quick to punch.

It's not that hard to find a list of who Nazis intend to murder wholesale.

So Andy Ngo is a nazi?

What about John Blum and Adam Kelly?

The point of punching Nazis and other fascists isn't about doing violence to people you hate, it's about doing violence to people before they're in a position to do violence to you (which is what they say they're going to do). Some of us are on the list of undesirables and we're not sanguine about waiting until after they start putting us in camps to start fighting back.

How do you know a Nazi when you see one?

Where is this list of Undesirables?  I want to make sure I'm not on it.

You guys haven't been paying attention.  There are several mind readers on this forum.  They know his inner thoughts and motivation for every decision he makes, sometimes even before he does.

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