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General Comments / Re: coronavirus
« on: July 30, 2021, 03:31:00 PM »
I wasn't trying to equate the two issues as being equal.

It was thinking the response to such issues are similar. Maybe smoking would be a better example. Lots of push back on that one infringing on personal freedoms, government interference and manipulation and all that. It got quite ugly

Interesting the time it took for the rights of the minority to smoke wherever they wanted eventually getting trumped by the rights of the majority not to have the breath in the stuff. Smokers still get to smoke they just have to respect the rights of others that don't want to be around it.

I'm ok with people not getting vaccinated or wearing a mask, as a minority, they need to respect the rights of the majority. How that looks I don't know. 


The only thing I know is that a Democracy means no one gets to be 100% happy about everything. 
   

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General Comments / Re: coronavirus
« on: July 30, 2021, 02:50:51 PM »
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“We can halt the chain of transmission,” Walensky told “CBS This Morning” on Wednesday. “We can do something if we unify together, if we get people vaccinated who are not yet vaccinated, if we mask in the interim, we can halt this in just a matter of a couple of weeks.”

AYFKM? Two weeks to slow the spread again? We're really supposed to believe that bs? Those of you buying this are going through some kind of combination of Stockholm Syndrome and Battered Woman Syndrome. Of course, there are a few of you that got the chubs going just thinking about the power ...

Here's the reality, any institution that uses bribery, coercion, propaganda, and censorship as tactics to force you into desired behaviors, is not focused on public health. It is focused on profit and power. I see you guys, running around with your pseudoscientific horse*censored*, trying to make the case and when it doesn't work on reasonable, intelligent, people you want to use force. It's questionable that this was ever truly about public health but it's now purely about power and money.


Assuming you believe in the effectiveness of the vaccine and that it is for the common good of everyone to be vaccinated... How would you go about trying to influence people to 'do the right thing' as you see it?
What qualifies as 'Force'?

I remember when wearing a set belt became law. I hated it especially when I got ticketed for not doing so. Or anti smoking laws. Before the laws their were attempts at influencing. When it comes to our own good or the greater good what methods are acceptable?


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General Comments / Re: Simone Biles GOAT or goat?
« on: July 30, 2021, 11:33:46 AM »
So Simone has brought Mental health to national attention, even though its always been a factor and talked about in Athletics for as long as I remember and part of most cometary as athletes are talking about and all the struggles they had to overcome. 

Watching the news interviews with the sport phycologists. They talked about the methods used to help athletes overcome anxiety, expectations, depression, life after...   while not addressing the fact that those methods didn't work for Simon who had access to them. I don't know... I feel this is a symptom of something larger...

It just seems there are so many contradictions,  everyone saying the 'right' things and at some level creating more anxiety for everyone to deal with.

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General Comments / Re: The FBI plot to kidnap Gov Whitmer
« on: July 30, 2021, 11:00:54 AM »
Maybe we have different ideas about what originating the plan is. To me asking what the mission or plan is, is not originating the plan.

Originating the plan in my mind, would be an informant saying "what if we kidnapped the governor" prior to anybody else cooking up that specific idea.

I have several friends, we're all ex-military. We've often war-gamed scenarios over beers just for fun. How would you do X? X being, anything from taking down a drug house to halting civilization. We often laugh hysterically at some ideas, just as we often quietly think "holy *censored*". None of us are seriously even considering doing anything like that, it's just a fun mental exercise that builds on skills we developed during and after service. In your mind, we're plotting the overthrow of America. In reality, we're just a bunch of dudes having a beer.

However, if someone decided to be an FBI informant and then starting pushing the means to carry out this mental wanking, suddenly we'd be criminals? GTFO.

I think it would have to go a little further then wanking to be a crime... I think it becomes a crime when it reaches the point of ejaculation 


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General Comments / Re: Simone Biles GOAT or goat?
« on: July 29, 2021, 04:52:49 PM »
Been watching Olympic coverage from a number of countries
Interesting that in general and regardless of sport a common comment is how the athlete overcame some mental or physical issue. It seems we expect and want the GOAT to overcome.

I don't see the not overcoming the pressure of expectations and exiting competition for mental health reasons becoming the new exceptional GOAT moment...   Well the alt left progress movement might...  ;)

I give even odds that Simone competes in a couple of individual events (not the vault) and gets that overcoming moment.
 

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General Comments / Re: Simone Biles GOAT or goat?
« on: July 29, 2021, 09:50:44 AM »
My response to Simone decision was good for her taking care of her self. What she does is dangerous and if your head isn't in the game best to step back.
My reaction was - she gave herself the yips and her training should have addressed that possibility.

A GOAT would learn not to let the expectations of other keep them from focusing on the task at hand and have confidence in their training. I say that knowing that I could never handle the pressure and so have and will never be a GOAT at anything.

I think that was why my reaction was one of disappointment. When I watch the Olympics the moments that move me are the one in which the athletes overcome that pressure, overcome their fears and do it anyway. Not so much about winning as it is allowing their bodies to do what it was trained to do despite the pressure and fears.
I suspect I project my need to believe its possible.  My reaction more about me then Simone


I worry that in a year or two as Simone looks back if she doesn't wonder...(I would) which could affect her mental health as well. I know I would be full of negative self talk.

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General Comments / Re: coronavirus
« on: July 28, 2021, 06:22:01 PM »
Two new studies highlight that 173,300 (79.5%) of excess deaths from March through August were COVID related, with 4,535 deaths occurring from March through July in younger adults ages 25 to 44, or 38% of all excess deaths in that group.

During the first 5 months of the pandemic, 76,088 all-cause deaths occurred among young adults, with each month showing excess. The researchers found 11,899 more Americans ages 25 through 44 have died than expected (18%), with 4,535 (38%) of the deaths caused by COVID-19.
The remaining deaths, the researchers believe, indicate an insufficient amount of COVID-19 detection and reporting in this age group.

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/12/data-reveal-deadliness-covid-19-even-young-adults

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General Comments / Re: We gotta talk about Uncle Joe
« on: July 28, 2021, 05:30:06 PM »
Nah.  You have stuff to read right in front of you, and it's easily verifiable.  If he says something that's wrong, or you don't agree with what he said, say so.  But don't ignore what he wrote up and just say he's wrong cause he's been wrong before.  That's poor.

The point was that Crunch wasn't credible in his concern over Biden's mental cognition as he batted away any such worries expressed about Trumps mental cognition.

To be fair you have a point with regards to the concern itself. I watched the first 30 min of the town hall and for the first 5 min I did wonder if Biden was having a Gray moment. He wasn't relaxed and his stutter issue was coming into play. I anticipated someone bringing it up as I'm sure it would have been brought up it it was Trump.
 
My position on the issue of cognition is that if medical team assess either Trump or Biden as having mental issues I would expect them both to stand down and retire.

Having Crunch make make such a finding on Biden's mental state when he had not issue with Trumps 'gray moments'.... nope... he has no credibly and only comes off as awhataboutism hypocrite.

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General Comments / Re: We gotta talk about Uncle Joe
« on: July 26, 2021, 11:52:59 AM »
Why does Crunch need credibility here?  He QUOTED the man.

also because Crunch showed no signs of being concerned when his man spoke... oddly and appeared to have lost his 'train of thought'
If Trumps communication idiosyncrasy's didn't bother Crunch Biden's should either.

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General Comments / Re: We gotta talk about Uncle Joe
« on: July 22, 2021, 05:04:46 PM »
Sorry Crunch you don't have much credibly when it comes what  'Old man' speak should alarm anyone let alone what qualifies as purvey.


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General Comments / Re: Trump's Lawsuit against the tech companies
« on: July 20, 2021, 01:37:16 PM »
It isn't that social media and search engines intentionally promote hate to create profit but that the algorithms magnify ones conformation bias.
It seems when it comes to bias we enjoy the echo chambers of like minds preferring information, true or not that excuses our hate for the other. 

Maybe the problem isn't the social media platforms algorithms but the relinquishing the developing and taking personal responsibility to develop the skills of discernment, a ability we unthinkingly hand over to our computers and so the media platforms.

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General Comments / Re: coronavirus
« on: July 20, 2021, 01:13:59 PM »
Boston University of one of the most prestigious institutions of higher education in the country can only get 72% of their faculty to voluntarily vaccinate.  I was led to believe it was only the "deplorables" that were holding out.

So you are lead to believe that 'deplorables' reject masks, vaccines and higher education.....  ;D

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General Comments / Re: coronavirus
« on: July 20, 2021, 10:46:58 AM »
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Frank Herbert wrote that one of the most effective types of tyranny is a bureaucracy where no individual is accountable for what the system churns out. Given what I was pointing out, it's a bit of chutzpah to turn around and tell me that "my reasoning" is what leaves no one accountable. I didn't make the system. I point out facts as I see them; I don't see how I need to take responsibility for something that emerged completely outside of my power to affect it and mostly before I was born.

But perhaps I can make my point a bit clearer: if you think 'people' need to take responsibility for Biden's missteps on mask policy, or any other executive decision, why don't you do that? I would like to see how you personally can hold Biden (and others like him) accountable for that. Go ahead and do it, and please report back on the effects of your action. I'm sort of only being a bit snarky, because in a way if someone told me an actually effective way to 'hold leaders responsible' I would be very pleased to hear it. So it's more of a challenge than snark that I'm putting forward.

I read and re-read your evenhanded reasonable response over and over and they always leaving me wonder if you ever hold any one or group responsible.

So yes with chutzpah your reasoning leaves no one reasonable or accountable while providing the neat excuse for everyone 'I didn't make the system'.

As for myself I have already admitted my hypocrisy of indifference and yes I am responsible for that. I am not innocent and life will hold me accountable  as it will

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General Comments / Re: coronavirus
« on: July 19, 2021, 05:28:29 PM »
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Don't they deserve some compassion?

We keep hearing in the news about how something like about 99% of the people dying and getting hospitalized because of Covid are unvaccinated. And that's fine.
But what we don't hear reports on which would also be good to know is how many of those unvaccinated people were also going around unmasked.

In other words, are there people following current CDC guidance and wearing their masks since they are unvaccinated and getting sickened and killed when they wouldn't have if the people who infected them had been wearing

Everyone deserves compassion even as events leave them accountable for their choices. Compassion and accountability are not mutual exclusive even if many might assume otherwise.

It would be very good to know how many of those choosing not to be unvaccinated where also choosing to not to wear a mask, or how many were against the mask mandate but wore them anyway.  I don't know how such data could be collected and verified.

I suspect its being assumed that the 'anti maskers' are also the majority of those 'anti vaccine' perhaps basing that decision on tribal political reasoning not on public health ones.
Such a assumption justifying not giving a crap.

I don't think we will every know the statistical data of who fell into what category and how many deaths can be linked to each category. 
 

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General Comments / Re: coronavirus
« on: July 19, 2021, 04:34:35 PM »
The issue of masks should never have become politicized, but it was, and now we are where we are. I don't blame our leaders for this politicization, I blame the people for eating it up and not demanding better from their 'leaders'   

This is part of the problem of American politics now. What mechanism do you see for people to demand better from their leaders? I see none. Federal votes go blue vs red, with probably close to zero fluctuation based on how much you liked or weren't quite supportive of some particular act of governance. Now if there was a "like/unlike" button that any American could press real time as a result of the President making a statement or a policy, that would at least be something. What are you going to do if you don't approve of a mask policy or type of messaging? Write your congressperson? Your mayor? And that is supposed to make its way up to the President who will respond to these 'concerns'? I don't think so. The whole system is too unwieldy for that. So with things such as they are I don't think you can reasonably accuse people of not demanding better. There is no better to demand.

But I think I can, history shows what happens when we don't.  (even as I know we won't)
Is the system so broken that their is no way to ask for better.? It may be, does not leave us off the hook of responsibility? A government of the people by the people that does not involve the people? The people have no responsibility?
 
To easy to say, its the system and leaders that we elected that are at fault not mine, not our fault we are so easily manipulated. We live or die with the results either way.

Is this a excuse or a truth? We can't ask for better, there is no point, why try, not my fault... now let me get gets what mine.

I read your response and am disheartened. Your reasoning leaves no one accountable, all is placed at the feet of a 'system' and some 'other'. So understanding. So Forgiving.  I wonder without accountability if their can be a experience of meaning, purpose or love? I think not. 
What indeed is the point. You project the shadow I have fallen into. I do not disagree, detachment has turned to indifference of a cold heart. I know, but look away, it is not my fault.

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General Comments / Re: coronavirus
« on: July 19, 2021, 03:23:34 PM »
Wearing a mask indoors in crowds was considered doing your bit. Biden and his CDC said if you get vaccinated that's enough and you no longer have to wear a mask but the results show otherwise and prove that both masks and vaccines are necessary for people to continue to do their bit, even if they are vaccinated. I know our vaccines are better than others around the world but the WHO guidance still stands. They didn't make an exception for us and our great vaccines. We are no longer listening to the science and the experts. Our government is outright lying about masks right now in defiance of the World Health Organization and it's getting people hospitalized, killed, and prolonging the pandemic. Maybe Facebook and Twitter should ban Biden for his dangerous lies about the vaccinated no longer needing to wear masks. Biden's lies have gotten more Americans hospitalized and killed than anything that happened on January 6 at the Capitol. Maybe we need a Congressional investigation into the mask disaster.

I think you have a valid argument though the hyperbole gets in the way.  I agree that the Biden administration is wrong to have changed there messaging on masks.   
The administration is not being consistent in its concern and messaging even if a large percentage of the population won't listen and do the opposite just because. 
IMO neither the right or left can be righteously outraged without looking like what they are, tribal hypocrites. 

The issue of masks should never have become politicized, but it was, and now we are where we are. I don't blame our leaders for this politicization, I blame the people for eating it up and not demanding better from their 'leaders'   

I find I have little sympathy for those that don't wear a mask or haven't gotten vaccinated and died. My heart is turning to stone. I just don't care about any of it anymore. 

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General Comments / Re: Election Results
« on: July 15, 2021, 04:09:10 PM »
You know a lot of things

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General Comments / Re: What were they thinking
« on: July 15, 2021, 11:20:04 AM »
I couldn't find much on what was intended with regards to SMS
The stories I've seen all include mention of Biden talking about having volunteers go door to door and that being equated with a step towards taking guns and bibles away

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General Comments / Re: coronavirus
« on: July 14, 2021, 04:33:26 PM »
Newsmax guy says vaccines are just against nature, since that is natures way of keeping the population down.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHOkJBnKL2w

Pretty soon they will be against all medicine, since sickness is just natures way of thinning the herd. If God had wanted ou to live he would have saved you.

it would be funny if it wasn't true. the community I grew up in is moving in that direction. The list of which disease should be left as God intendeds is growing. The definition of what it means to be a  steward is most definitely changing.

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General Comments / Re: coronavirus
« on: July 14, 2021, 04:19:18 PM »
I think the reasoning is that achieving the vaccine goal = a win for Biden and a win for Biden can't be tolerated... and if some dying is the cost for that victory... the percentage will be low enough not to trouble the base.

I'm still convinced that is was Trumps handling of the crises which cost him the election and he's still playing this one wrong. He ought to be playing up his Operation Warp Speed success and encouraging his base to get on board. It would get him more points across the board then what he's doing. The GOP Covid strategy doesn't make sense

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General Comments / Re: What were they thinking
« on: July 14, 2021, 12:38:59 PM »
Toy guns can't look real, but real guns can look like toys.
How could that ever end badly for someone?

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General Comments / What were they thinking
« on: July 14, 2021, 10:35:36 AM »
A US gun company is facing a backlash for producing a pistol that looks like a children's toy made of Lego.

Just WTF

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General Comments / Re: Hunter Biden, artist
« on: July 12, 2021, 05:17:56 PM »
Well since the auction/sale has not happened yet, let's say possibly corrupt.  We know Trump used his properties to funnel money to himself.

If anything goes for over 6 figures it stinks. I think the Biden's made a big mistake by making it secret. Disclosure is by far the best policy.

You mean allowing the purchases to be anonymous/secret.  Or did Biden try to make the galley showing a secret? 

Disclosure of who made a purchase and for how much would be best... however I suspect that would keep even the well intention buyer from buying. Anyone buying is going to be judged as seeking favor and or a fool.
Making the purchases anonymous does keep the door to accountably open.  The media will be watching closely, if a purchase is made and it becomes public and favor was even hinted at... Might make for a good false flag operation.

Their is no win here for Biden, he needs to make any purchase public and anyone on that list 'persona non grata' as it concerns the administration if only to protect himself even if it screws over his son.

The potential of corruption does not equal corruption. I have the potential to steal but until I do I'm not a thief and don't wish to be judged as one. 

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General Comments / Re: Hunter Biden, artist
« on: July 12, 2021, 03:18:01 PM »
A copy of video game Super Mario 64 has sold at auction for more than $1.5m

The world is just messed up.

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General Comments / Re: Hunter Biden, artist
« on: July 12, 2021, 02:46:02 PM »
The possibility for abuse as bribes for both the 'renting' and purchasing of 'art is what stinks. I don't think anyone is disagreeing about that?

Their is a difference though in approach to the stink. The Biden administration is attempting to respond the the problem before any sales (if laughable) where as the Trump Administration made no attempts to "light a match" or even give a curtesy flush.

Cherry I don't' recall you to worried about the stink during the Trump administration, are you really worried about the stink now? Or is this a thread about pointing out a example of 'outrage what about hypocrisy syndrome? 


Only a fool would spend the kind of money on Biden's art in the hopes of gaining a favor.

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General Comments / Re: Hunter Biden, artist
« on: July 12, 2021, 01:45:55 PM »
As for the value of Art - I've never understood it and can't imagine anyone paying that kind of money...  then some idiots pay thousand for NFT's
It looks like anyone attempting to query favor by buying Hunters art are going to be waiting their money.

Is their equivalency in the outrage?  I don't know, Most certainly enough hypocrisy for all...
The conversations on this site regarding similar issues during the Trump administration left the matter as probably not illegal but smells bad. I would leave Hunters Art-gate the same

There does seem to be a difference in how the administrations are handling the stink.
Reuters seems to have been the first to question the Trump  'Selling and renting real estate to foreign nationals' as a means to gain favor... where as Biden administration appears to be dealing with the issue before any art is sold.


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General Comments / Re: So will you take the vaccine?
« on: June 17, 2021, 10:56:19 AM »
First shot was the Astrazeneca with no side affects
The second shot will be next week and it looks like it will be Pfizer... I fully expect to grow a tail, maybe it will help with my jump shot.

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General Comments / Re: coronavirus
« on: June 16, 2021, 12:56:29 PM »
I think people forget, or don't want to know, that the mask protects others from you, not you from them. Not 100% but it does keep the spittle from traveling as far.
I don't know why anyone would mock that?

Some of the new behaviors I'd like to see maintained
- respect for personal space
- stay home when your not feeling well and if you can't think about wearing a mask
- end of the hand shake. replace it with the node of the head bow.  No the silly elbow bump


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General Comments / Re: coronavirus
« on: June 14, 2021, 04:33:50 PM »
When people talk about 'the government' I like to ask them what they mean by 'the government' and  what they would replace 'it' with.
Another question I like to ask is what they mean by 'Freedom' and how they relate their concept of freedom with the idea of a social contract. 

Not a lot of great answers.  I don't think they spend much time thinking past the generalizations of the concepts.

Ref the anthrax vaccine (+ others given with it) troops were forced to get. I got to be part of that experiment and after a number of health issues when I returned have been vaccine hesitant since. That said like a good soldier I got the Covid shot. I wanted things to open up and get people back to work and would have felt like hypocrite asking everyone else to do their part.

With the anthrax vaccine 'experiment' I don't think we will know anything until the majority of those that were volin-told have passed away. That's usually how that works, lots of apologies after the fact.

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General Comments / Re: The Jan 6 Commission
« on: June 11, 2021, 12:16:34 PM »
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But I do not believe Trump knowingly did anything to make it happen

When, after all the things Trump had done but didn't mean to do, do we hold him accountable and stop giving him the benefit of the doubt.
Its time to stop thinking of Trump as dumb - he knows exactly what he's doing and how to do it so that people aren't quite sure.

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General Comments / Re: Election Results
« on: June 10, 2021, 03:02:13 PM »
The language of GQP and the echo chambers requires one not to be specific. Its in the rule book

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General Comments / Re: The Jan 6 Commission
« on: June 10, 2021, 10:26:41 AM »
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Did he CAUSE it? Don't know. But it never happens if he were a better man.
That statement feels like a contradiction.

Cause: a person or thing that gives rise to an action, phenomenon, or condition
Cause: a principle, aim, or movement that, because of a deep commitment, one is prepared to defend or advocate.

So you/we sort of do know the CAUSE. The argument is when a person that participates in CAUSE is accountable or not accountable for the effect? Morally, legally?

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General Comments / Re: Election Results
« on: June 09, 2021, 06:35:39 PM »
Question for wmLambert

If Trump was declared the Winner and Biden made the exact same claims as Trump did with the exact same "evidence" would you say The election was stolen.
I suspect you would say yes but that had that happened you would not.

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General Comments / Re: Election Results
« on: June 09, 2021, 04:32:25 PM »
Why were hundreds of Republican's attorneys put in place prior to the voting...

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I agree with Trump on this one
Can't get my head around crypto currencies. All that energy to mine for a mathematical result that is then assigned what seems to me a random value for that "work"

All monetary systems require belief in it and contains elements of illusion but that "work" is a illusion to far for me.
   
I obviously don't understand

The appeal is that it is a way to decentralize currency. The down side is that if the government won't accept bitcoin as currency then its just a collector item that people trade to store value. That collector item has whatever value people associate with it. I think crypto currencies are vastly over valued, there are many ways they could lose most of their value overnight:

1) A panic/selloff that crushes the value.
2) Crypto being used to fund a large scale terrorist attack and the government decides to try to ban/eliminate crypto currencies.
3) Oversaturation with competing crypto currencies leading to crypto inflation. I know each individual currency is usually designed in a way that caps the maximum number of units but it seems like more currencies are constantly being created.

To me crypto currencies are probably one of the riskiest investments you could make.

Crypto as a collector item helps and explain things. This new NFT trend seems related to a similar idea that digital bits have value in of of themselves.

I've known a few 'collectors' where the collecting become a obsession and a kind of hording. Those attending that Bitcoin conference reminded me of those guy

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I agree with Trump on this one
Can't get my head around crypto currencies. All that energy to mine for a mathematical result that is then assigned what seems to me a random value for that "work"

All monetary systems require belief in it and contains elements of illusion but that "work" is a illusion to far for me.
   
I obviously don't understand

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General Comments / Re: Election Results
« on: June 08, 2021, 01:47:52 PM »
I would think that everyone has skin in this game?
When the lack of proof becomes proof is a dangiours argument.

A lie creating the thing that is feared and then used as the reason why other actions must now be taken... If we are labeling something diabolical, something that distorts realty and done in the open, nothing up my sleeves...  would that not quality? Genius and or madness?
Those that want to believe are given the excuse not to notice what they don't want to admit they see. Eventually such cognitive dissonance won't lead to much... positive.

We all have skin in this game and those that stand back and do not confront such..."reasoning" and dissonance aren't being balanced and even handed.

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General Comments / Re: Election Results
« on: June 08, 2021, 11:39:45 AM »
There is a saying that the Greatest Trick the Devil Ever Pulled Was Convincing the World He Didn’t Exist. The trick behind the trick is gas lighting and useful idiot.


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General Comments / Re: Cancelled
« on: May 13, 2021, 11:27:33 AM »
Outside the Coliseum were the Amazonia recount is taking place a armed man stands sentry expecting a attack from BLM
The man is certain in his certainty as he explains the lack of facts and proof is proof. He sees no problem with taking action based on that reasoning. One wonders if he ever thinks to askes himself if there could be something else behind his fear.

The Cancel culture isn't new or something that only occurs on the right or left.  I fear we are in the process of canceling our critical thinking abilities and handing it over to our 'smart phones'
 

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General Comments / Re: Cancelled
« on: May 13, 2021, 10:00:42 AM »
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If Venezuela or China had done what Russia did, and if the Biden campaign had cooperated as closely with them as Trump did with Russia, then you would have called it PROOF of election fraud, you EVIL EVIL hypocrite and monster.

Go to hell, both you and the fascist pig dictator you worship. Go lick Putin's balls, like Trump did. Trump throughout his presidency, acted PRIMARILY in his own interest, secondarily in Russia's interest, and only tertially in America's interest. Whenever Russia and United States (or their allies) were in conflict, Trump made sure to take Russia's side. Repeatedly and consistently.

Dial it back a notch (or 5) on making it about them personally being evil. Doesn't do anything to change minds and just makes the discourse more toxic.

You aren't wrong, yet I understand the frustration. Watching some of those senators shamelessly rewriting the history of the 6th and knowing that many of their supports will fall for the gaslighting... What words will help make discourse less toxic?  When people want to believe the Lie because they want/need to believe it where is dialog possible?

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General Comments / Re: Cancelled
« on: May 13, 2021, 09:45:16 AM »
To be clear I said history will judge and that If I was a betting man I would bet that Trump trumps the list of worst.  I will leave that for history.
My guess is that he will be judged on his divisive methods and communication more then policies.  I believe the generations looking back will see this moment of time as a turning point, probably one where the US turns on itself... but it could go the other way... I don't have much hope

If Liz Cheney survives the next few years she will be in a good position to become President one day as I can imagine the independents turning out for her. A Conservatives with values and the guts to stand by them (even if it also a calculated image).

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General Comments / Re: Cancelled
« on: May 12, 2021, 05:55:05 PM »
Liz Cheney appeared to be pushing for the vote.
If reality finally finds a way to slap the GOP across the face and wake it up Liz Cheney in a good position?


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General Comments / Re: Cancelled
« on: May 12, 2021, 05:17:21 PM »
I'd be hard pressed to call him the worst president. Grant comes to mind, and also Jackson. FDR was pretty bad, at least Trump didn't round up citizens and put them in camps and steal their property, not to mention threatening to nerf SCOTUS. Hoover helped cause economic devastation. Tyler defended slavery adamantly. Harding made any Trump corruption look like a nursery rhyme. Johnson opposed reconstruction and the 14th amendment.

It is said that History is written by the victors. In Grants case his legacy ended up being written by those he defeated, a different kind of canceling. Like most people I never questioned Grant being a 'bad President' but that may not be based on facts.
Much of the History around Slavery was not written by the victors. begs the question of why and why was being 'canceled'

If I were a betting man I would bet that Trump goes down in the History books (100+ years from now) as the worst and a turning point. Worse may follow, but they will be Trump wanabees.  A Turning point our dependents probably wish we hadn't taken.

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General Comments / Re: Election Results
« on: April 29, 2021, 10:34:45 AM »
https://www.npr.org/2021/04/28/882060850/federal-investigators-search-rudy-giulianis-apartment

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Federal investigators in Manhattan executed a search warrant Wednesday at Rudy Giuliani's apartment as part of a probe into the former New York City mayor's activities involving Ukraine, his attorney told NPR.

Robert Costello said the FBI conducted the raid at Giuliani's apartment on the Upper East Side of Manhattan at around 6 a.m. and seized electronic devices. He said the search warrants are connected to an investigation into possible violations of the Foreign Agents Registration Act tied to Giuliani's Ukraine-related work.

Does Trump encourage the people around him to commit crimes or does he just like hiring felons?

His pre political history would answer that as a 'And' vice 'Or' equation.  His post political history indicates that hasn't changed. 
Unlike POW hero's he has a soft spot for those of his associates that have been caught 

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General Comments / Re: coronavirus
« on: April 28, 2021, 01:37:59 PM »
In the black death example. It think society - government - would have the right to create laws to force compliance. 
I suspect with today climate and concept of 'freedom' the government couldn't do it and we deteriorate in to vigilantly type enforcement for the aholes that only consider their own 'individual freedoms' as valid.   

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General Comments / Re: coronavirus
« on: April 27, 2021, 03:41:31 PM »
A private school in Florida says that if you are a teacher and have been vaccinated you can not teach there any more.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/miami-private-school-centner-academy-233603240.html

What a load of crap. They say they have heard stories of unvaccinated people getting sick after exposure to vaccinated people.  I wonder if the vaccinated teachers can sue?

Here's a question that may help to answer that question: since Florida is an at-will state, and the employer can do anything they like regarding firing people, is there another way the government can prevent dangerous medical scenarios at a place like that?

Let's take an extreme case: what if a school (or workplace, or any place really) announced they were going to have a "covid party" and deliberately make sure everyone present got infected. Never mind the reasoning behind it. They used to do that for chicken pox, maybe still do for all I know. Given the heightened nature of the public danger in general, does a local or state government have recourse to some kind of public safety protocol to put a stop to it within the framework of the law? Can men in bio suits from the CDC come and shut down the whole operation?

Probably not
Second question: How much is the state responsible for taking care of those that get infected at the 'party' and end up in ICU?

I assume that within a democracy their exists a social contract. Such a contract defines the role and experience of freedom. ie there will be some laws that impact the individual for the greater good of the many. If people reject such a concept of a social contract is their a democracy.

Read a story about a town in Alberta where a large percent of the people do not 'believe' covid is a threat. The towns hospitals are reaching a breaking point  and the mayor is demanding more vaccines be allocated to the town. (survey shows a large percent of the people do not plan to take vaccine) The town has asked for federal assistance for more medical personal from the army and such.
If the large percentage of the people in the town refuse to take Covid seriously should they be left on their own and maybe isolated? Is it justice to have the people of this town jump ahead of the vaccine line and eat up provincial and federal recourses? 

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General Comments / Re: Election Results
« on: April 23, 2021, 03:17:02 PM »
Anyone that would clink on links within a email like that....
A few Nigerian princes might like to get their hands on that email list.

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General Comments / Re: coronavirus
« on: April 15, 2021, 05:38:10 PM »
Tucker Carlson deliberately fails to understands quite allot..  including the intent of Socratic method.
He has a great understanding of how to manipulate his audience and propagate propaganda for his tribe and personal gain. Actuality I don't think he cares much for his tribe just personal gain. As his actions are to intentionally sow doubt and discord he qualifies as 'evil' in my book.
History will not be kind to him but who cares about history. 

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General Comments / Re: Border crisis
« on: April 14, 2021, 05:36:19 PM »
My answer is, if you are more fortunate then share that good fortune. Where does it end? When everybody on the planet has the same opportunities.

From a personal perspective perhaps but certainly not a national perspective.  A nation should first seek to serve the needs of its own population.  If troubled nations people can't afford to care for their own population - I don't think there is any obligation for other nations to do so.  There might be some obligation if the troubled nations circumstances are in part caused by past actions of the other nation but certainly not in general.

I certainly don't think allowing unhindered immigration is something that a nation should allow.

I think its more complex as helping other nations populations is often of a greater benefit of the nation doing the helping. The variables are all so interconnected its not possible to be broken down in to a 'either or, all or nothing' type response. (even if our 280 character political discernment/reaction limit wants/needs it to be that way)

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General Comments / Re: Border crisis
« on: April 08, 2021, 02:52:14 PM »
I guess were talking to different people on the Left then as I don't know any that hold the view that enforcing laws is a racist act. There are those that will ague that some laws can be argued to being 'racist'. Are those enforcing those laws racist? I don't think so, not if that is the only measuring stick, but it does fall into the category of a systemic problem...

Trumps communicated reasonings and tirade for enforcing immigrations laws clouded the issue of what might be labeled racist or not. You can't separate the too. I would argue that clouding the issue was intentional. Instead of focusing on the laws we get to shake our fists importantly and call each other names.

You argue in such 'all or nothing' tribal generalities that its difficult to engage in dialog.

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