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General Comments / Re: Militia in the streets
« on: September 06, 2020, 04:49:55 PM »
That revolution may or may not go so far. It's usually depended on 1/3 unforced class. Believe it or not, but at that level of society with that level of desperation that's when shut starts to adjust.

The funniest thing for me is when you all keep on trying to take in the expectations or *censored* you a clock. Who gives a *censored*.

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General Comments / Re: Militia in the streets
« on: September 06, 2020, 04:47:10 PM »
That revolution may or may not go so far. It's usually depended on 1/3 unforced class. Believe it or not, but at that level of society with that level of desperation that's when shut starts to adjust.

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You know what?

This thing now where people are excusing Rittenhouser. Conaider it for me the last straw. Some piece of *censored* militia man who came down not to make a statement but hoping he'd find a reason to use his gun.

Ya'll ever heard about the cool zone? It's when stuff gets so bad for a big enough proportion of the population they actually sit back and consider what it's worth to go out and tell the world to go screw themselves no matter what they meet in the ruling class's bullets. Because the alternative is worse.

All you conservative people with your 401ks and your cushy recession proof jobs, you can continue to look down on us. So did the French before their revolution.

I don't think that's going to work the way you think it will. And most of those militia guys turning up with guns? They're not 1%ers. They're by and large probably not even in the top 20% for income. Even the Democrats own numbers reflect this: The Main of the Democratic base are the people making over $100K/year, and/or college educated.

It's almost sad. You think "the masses" are on your side. They're not, at least, not anywhere that matters, and not the extent you think they are. The left-wing insanity has many, if not most of the cities. But those cities are far more vulnerable now than they've ever been in history.

If the Bourgeoisie Democrats want to start a revolution to overthrown themselves... Well, I guess bring it? The history books will likely be confused about how that ever came to pass, but I guess it is what it is...

Perhaps.

Who knows?

What I'm saying here is that even if you all want to look down on those 20 somethings they're not all actually liberal seconds sons or whatever.

You didn't expect the riot's either, and in your speed to condemn them as bastions of terrorism or Obamaism or whatever you're grabbing on to here, the forces of the whip failed. I'll admit this of Trump - him or his advisors got the message in Portland. You'd better go in hot and hard because if you don't get control of it the bastions of class control will be given a moral advantage in punishing the real electorate.

The poor section  doesn't vote and they never have. And, honored conservatives, please. Do you actually think in any universe a majority of these people who have seen the trickle down economics or austerity or whatever your latest excuse is, payments given in full in *corporate* welfare whilst normal people struggle to get along, in what universe would a fully informed electorate actually take your side?

The only thing you have. The only thing you ever did have.  Was to rig the information and the polls. The same way Republicans continue in every election to reduce voting locations for Dems. Or poor people. Or minorities. Whoever may vote for those as hole libs. And the BS about mail in voting is the latest. Trump and McEnany both voted via mail, as did many others, and if they're getting scared now they should probably be introduced to the idea of projection. Given what R''s have done in regards to civil rights voting actions I'm really not surprised they'd got so held up when someone suggests we make it easier for the common person to vote.

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General Comments / Re: Jacob Blake
« on: September 05, 2020, 04:35:10 PM »
I'm not calling any two situations identical. I'm calling into question the statements many make that suggest people deserve whatever they get if they don't comply instantly with cops.

Plenty of unarmed people have been shot for non compliance. Because they happened to be holding a cell phone, for instance. Or the unarmed guy running across a parking lot, or other many stories. It's a result of "assume everyone you encounter is armed and willing to use deadly force. It's a great way to ensure that the absolute minimum number of cops get injured or killed, at the expense of injuring or killing the maximum number of suspects.

I'm still not very sympathetic on this front. The "proper response" in this era when it comes to police interactions, regardless of race, is obedience to the request if they're acting in an official capacity. The only significant difference between "the talk" that a black parent may have with their kid vs one I'd have with one(single no kids) should I have any, is that the black parent would be emphasizing the "don't get killed" part.

I'd be be emphasizing that even if you know the encounter isn't dangerous, the officer doesn't know that. The more you put the officer at ease, the better the outcome of your encounter is likely to be; unless the officer is simply an a**.

It isn't even a matter of life or death in some cases. It is a matter of making the difference between possibly getting a warning and sent on your way, or citations for every infraction the officer can come up with as being applicable.  Never mind doing something that puts the officer on edge, that means telling them what you need to do and why before you do something, and doing it slowly enough the officer can follow your movements. IE during a traffic stop, you better have reached into the glove box for the registration/etc before the officer has exited their vehicle(and placed the results on the dash board where it can be seen), or wait until they arrive, then tell them you need to do so and wait to be instructed to go ahead.

This is also reflected in programs like COPS when they were making traffic stops, the officers get very edgy when people just "start doing things" in the Car which the officer cannot see, and without prompting from the officer.

I don't blame the officers for that problem, I blame the criminals who keep shooting cops for it.

The issue just sees a compounding of problems when you start dealing with minorities because they've long since developed cultural complexes/phobias surrounding issues involving police interactions. If they follow instructions, and don't try to fight, their odds of getting shot/killed or seriously injured by the officer reach zero for all practical purposes. If they do fight, or start doing certain other things unannounced and without officer consent then they're playing with fire and shouldn't be shocked when they get shot, police can't read minds.

Nah. Screw this. You're still trying to give these dcicks a way out.

I also as a 1/4 Italian got that talk and I can't even imagine how much was it worse for actually black people.

Make it right for everyone. Make it so no one has to have fear sweat staining their shirts just because the cops are pulling them over. You know the worst part? All you people agree that's how it should be but to keep defending the *censored*.

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General Comments / Re: Militia in the streets
« on: September 05, 2020, 04:15:27 PM »
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.urbandictionary.com/define.php%3fterm=The%2bCool%2bZone&amp=true

By all means. Keep on talking about how the people lucky enough to have the spare time to go mug at the camera for Fox News means so much. When the true revolution comes...the only question will be why did you sit back and do nothing. Why did you only profit.

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I know what's coming. We can all see it. I've never been a fan for the French Revolution but I'm starting to have my leg tap to it.  All of you. All of you rich *censored* don't give a *censored* about anything outside yourselves and/or your own interests. You'd happily see a whole family slaughtered and make excuses if they were the wrong color or more importantly the wrong class.

I'll tell you right now. If you won't defend us when your soldiers come to enforce your mesed up law don't think I'll look away when your family is brought out to be judged.

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You know what?

This thing now where people are excusing Rittenhouser. Conaider it for me the last straw. Some piece of *censored* militia man who came down not to make a statement but hoping he'd find a reason to use his gun.

Ya'll ever heard about the cool zone? It's when stuff gets so bad for a big enough proportion of the population they actually sit back and consider what it's worth to go out and tell the world to go screw themselves no matter what they meet in the ruling class's bullets. Because the alternative is worse.

All you conservative people with your 401ks and your cushy recession proof jobs, you can continue to look down on us. So did the French before their revolution.

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General Comments / Re: Jacob Blake
« on: August 29, 2020, 06:36:49 PM »
Lol. Yeah man that makes sense. Homeboy got shot in the back because he was about to stab his own kids. Lolol. Do you even read your own *censored* before you post it?

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General Comments / Re: RNC
« on: August 29, 2020, 10:14:20 AM »
https://youtu.be/vHP4VbhtGJ4

Eh, screw it. Do  you all not really see where we're going with this BS?

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General Comments / Re: Jacob Blake
« on: August 28, 2020, 02:23:10 PM »
And again I'll ask, what records do the shooter and his accomplices have?

If it's fair to rip apart Blake's life to make us all feel comfortable with shooting a man in the back seven times, can we not examine the people who did or were there for the shooting?

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General Comments / Re: Jacob Blake
« on: August 28, 2020, 02:16:11 PM »
This is all assuming the knife was actually present at the shooting and not planted after the fact.

We've obsessed over Blake's record; what's the record of the shooter, his accomplices, and other members of their group with access to the scene?

Jacob Blake himself has said he had a knife with him from reporting I've heard.

Interested in links to your reporting.

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General Comments / Re: Jacob Blake
« on: August 28, 2020, 01:36:58 AM »
This is all assuming the knife was actually present at the shooting and not planted after the fact.

We've obsessed over Blake's record; what's the record of the shooter, his accomplices, and other members of their group with access to the scene?

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The clue is in the name.

It's not a business and as such has no need to break even. It's a *service,* something the government provides to help society run smoothly for everyone. Whether they're in NYC or a town of fifty in the middle of nowhere.

I'll put it like this; when was the last time someone complained that the Air Force wasn't "breaking even?"

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General Comments / Re: covid-19 outside the US
« on: August 20, 2020, 04:58:58 AM »
Maybe she meant fast zombies...

28 days later zombies? I mean, I know they run with the bulls in Pamplona, but you apparently can't run with a mask on or you will pass out and die from your own toxins, right?

A nitpick. To be a zombie you have to be dead. In 28 Day Later the people had a virus that made them homicidally angry and resistant to pain but they were still living and breathing. It even showed them dying of thirst/hunger at the end of the film.

/Pendantry.

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General Comments / Re: NRA getting sued
« on: August 07, 2020, 11:03:45 PM »
Umm... wow.  You guys may know I routinely limit searches by date ranges to pull things from Google that are free from a pro- or anti-Trump bias.

Out of curiosity, I searched, "Letitia James cases against charities" time limited from Jan 1, 2010 through Dec 31, 2016.  I figured I may get some Trump charity overlap, but I wanted to see if she had a history of going after charities generally.  Now she's not been the AG that long, but I didn't know her history, so I thought maybe she was previously a prosecutor of some kind (turns out she wasn't).

Here's the disturbing part.  That search turned up over 10 pages of articles, the vast majority of which directly relate to the NRA case just filed, but showing search dates from years ago.  The articles are current if you follow the links, but the search dates have clearly been backdated. 

Here's one example:

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New York Attorney General Moves to Dissolve NRA - news ...
searchandnews.com › player › category › news › article

Oct 16, 2014 - In a lawsuit filed on Thursday, Attorney General Letitia James claims that top NRA executives used charitable funds for personal gain, among other offenses.

This one may be my favorite:

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MSNBC - On the New York AG filing a lawsuit against the ...
m.facebook.com › msnbc › posts

Oct 22, 2011 - New York Attorney General Letitia James filed a lawsuit Thursday against the National Rifle Association seeking to dissolve the gun rights advocacy group and accusing top executives of "years of illegal self-dealings" that funded a "lavish lifestyle."

In any event, this is 100% political.  If it were not, she'd go after the executives directly not the charity.   By seeking to dissolve the charity she's trying to force it to waste is charitable assets immediately prior to the election on an expensive legal suit.

Again, this should be a no brainer for anyone with any sense of civil liberties or civil rights.  The remedy sought is completely out of line with the harm alleged and there is zero chance it would be pursued against someone that is not her political opponent.  Who are we kidding, her office has ignored bigger charitable crimes that are on her side, and spent an inordinate amount on a politically motivated investigation.  That seems to be the specialty of the NY AGs.

Hope everyone likes this tactic as much when the right copies it in the future.

I'm struck again about the "bad apple" versus "bad org" argument. When somebody at ACORN royally screws up, its evidence of widespread conspiracy. When a cop screws up, its one bad guy. When somebody gets caught farming 30 votes, its evidence of a plot to destroy democracy. When someone in the NRA is unethical or lawbreaking, its a freak occurrence. If instead it had been the Clinton Foundation, then HEADS MUST ROLL!

ACORN's purposes and methods were illegal.  If you believe Jones, the NRA was a victim of out of control executives.

When someone get's caught farming votes it's evidence that your meme "there's no real election fraud" is a lie.   We don't have any real ability to detect fraud, which is something the Democrats are counting on with this strategy.  The fact that we detect it all with a secret ballot and poor voter ID laws is more likely evidence that it's endemnic than that it never occurs. 

The Clinton Foundation was involved in far bigger illegal activities.  They'd never survive the kind of scrutiny the NY AG applied to the NRA (without much of a basis), but lucky for the Clinton Foundation, it's on the blue team and will never be investigated in such a manner no matter what evidence appears.

We no longer have a system of justice that applies to both sides evenly.  The left has weaponized prosecutors offices, correctly identifying that their discretion is unreviewable - no matter how egregiously applied.  They are free to release rioters no matter how legitimate the charges, not prosecute crimes solely for political reasons, and investigate their enemies and subject them to abuse, which they are routinely doing.  Lawfare at its grossest.  Like I told you when Obama was establishing the executive authority precedents, you may not like how the next guy uses them (and that was a massive understatement of a prediction), this too is a change that all of you personally are going to live to regret.

The Chewbacca Defense as seen in the wild.

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As a mostly lurker have to say that the whole hearted support of beating the living *censored* out of people for being in a general area around others who allegedly did bad things is not something I expected out of you Daemon.

I guess I need to go digging. There was a certain street preacher who had an unpleasant encounter with those "peaceful protesters" about a month ago. He's chained himself to a traffic light pole prior to their arrival. Never saw the footage of him getting taken off the pole, but they subsequently knocked him unconscious. then carried him into a side-alley where one of the women involved asked if she could kick his face in.

But yeah, it was only the Feds who were out of control. I've already commented on that Navy Veteran, I think there is more to the story than what the press has covered and I'm withholding judgement until the IG report comes back on that.

I'm sure you've got links to back up your narrative.

All I'm saying is that as someone who normally doesn't post but does watch the threads that you chose this hill to die on surprised me. Like, you're *invested* or at least acting like it and I don't get why.

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General Comments / Re: covid-19 outside the US
« on: August 07, 2020, 02:57:09 PM »
https://youtu.be/wZQkBHysrig

Lol. In summation, put a *censored*ing mask on.

Kind of loses his power wearing his mask on his elbow.

That was almost certainly on purpose. The guy's whole deal is making videos where he pretends to be a news reporter who goes on wild rants to his producer when the camera cuts off. While the character makes good points he's foul mouthed and not a great person. Him ranting about wearing a mask while not wearing a mask is just part of the humour.

If you have  fifteen minutes watch his critique on cancel culture here.

https://youtu.be/Lvm3xeO1lA0

It's spot on and absolutely hilarious.

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General Comments / Re: covid-19 outside the US
« on: August 07, 2020, 04:04:12 AM »
https://youtu.be/wZQkBHysrig

Lol. In summation, put a *censored*ing mask on.

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General Comments / NRA getting sued
« on: August 07, 2020, 03:40:56 AM »
So even if we step back and say half of the prosecutors statement is false on the face of it (because sadly that's what prosecutors do these days) holy crap.

If even half of this is correct I'm sitting here thinking about the originator of the golden parachute glowing green with envy over "Why didn't I think of that?"

And apparently it's multiplied because they're a charitable organization? Holy *censored* hahaha who has ever thought the NRA was charitable. Not me. Never knew that.

Anyway I was mostly preempting the Crunch Facebook bot and the lawyer bot we all love and despise at the same time. There will be blurbs and catchphrases about how NY is soooo liberal and so this is BS but state's rights yo. If you're gonna do shady things in a certain pace you best remember the Feds aren't usually the worst enemy around.

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As a mostly lurker have to say that the whole hearted support of beating the living *censored* out of people for being in a general area around others who allegedly did bad things is not something I expected out of you Daemon.

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General Comments / Re: covid-19 outside the US
« on: August 03, 2020, 08:50:18 PM »
Didn't even realise cruise ships were still a thing, guess I had assumed they were all shut down.

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General Comments / Re: coronavirus
« on: July 30, 2020, 11:52:10 AM »
Well Trump's Tulsa rally has claimed one of his supporters.

Herman Cain just died from Covid-19 that he most likely caught at the Trump Tulsa rally.

https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/herman-cain-dead-covid-143229190.html

Eh can't really figure in anyone who dies from a strong cold, that's what covid is right? What they all told me.

Shoot. Conservative or not the man was an icon. Sorry he's gone.

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There's a link to the full transcript in here: https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/06/trump-george-floyd-in-heaven-pleased-with-trump-administrations-record.html

Transcript: https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/donald-trump-press-conference-transcript-on-jobs-report

It doesn't seem to be quite as bad as some people are making it out to be employment numbers but it's a pretty stupid thing to say.

Yeah, we kind of expect Trump to say dumb things at this point but I'm not a fan of selective editing, whether it's done by the D's  or the R's.

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General Comments / Re: Protestors vs. Rioters
« on: June 06, 2020, 05:15:52 PM »
ScottF

The issue being put forth is how minorities face disproportionate attention and response from a police force that has an aggressive and arrogant culture that also kills innocent whites.

That perhaps both the racial bias and the police culture issue  are something that should be looked at.

I'm kind of skeptical that you didn't actually get that, but on the off chance you didn't, that's the entire point of peaceful protests.

Some hippie inconvienced you with a sign somewhere, it annoyed you, and you went out asking questions on why they're doing it. You got an answer whether you agree or not. And that's why protestors shut down roads.

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General Comments / Re: George Floyd
« on: June 04, 2020, 06:46:08 PM »
I actually agree with you here. In my opinion, the charge should have been manslaughter. I've got no reason to believe that Chauvin was trying to kill him. Rather, it was depraved indifference in regard to his actions that ended up killing someone, when a normal person would have stepped back and said, "Oh, I shouldn't do this, it might kill them."

It's like drunk driving. We do charge them with manslaughter when they kill someone, but it's because despite the fact they drove home drunk 100 times before and didn't kill anyone a reasonable person would look on their actions and agree that they should have known their actions *could* kill someone.

He doesn't have to be trying to kill him, the second degree count is based on it happening accidentally during the commission of a felony as I understand it. The felony is the degree of assault.

Minnesota code for MURDER IN THE SECOND DEGREE. Emphasis theirs, I just don't want to retype it. Subd. 1 does indeed talk about intentional murders, but this is the applicable one.

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Subd. 2.Unintentional murders. Whoever does either of the following is guilty of unintentional murder in the second degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 40 years:
(1) causes the death of a human being, without intent to effect the death of any person, while committing or attempting to commit a felony offense other than criminal sexual conduct in the first or second degree with force or violence or a drive-by shooting; or

(2) causes the death of a human being without intent to effect the death of any person, while intentionally inflicting or attempting to inflict bodily harm upon the victim, when the perpetrator is restrained under an order for protection and the victim is a person designated to receive protection under the order. As used in this clause, "order for protection" includes an order for protection issued under chapter 518B; a harassment restraining order issued under section 609.748; a court order setting conditions of pretrial release or conditions of a criminal sentence or juvenile court disposition; a restraining order issued in a marriage dissolution action; and any order issued by a court of another state or of the United States that is similar to any of these orders.

Yeah, seeing the statutes in Minnesota I can see where it's getting a bit sticky.

I've always thought murder one was "I'm going to kill someone next week," and then they go through with it.

Murder two was a bar fight or someone walking in on their spouse in bed with someone else and doing something unfortunate in the heat of the moment.

And manslaughter/murder 3 basically being what I described above. I'm understanding if the actual state laws make that more complicated.

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General Comments / Re: George Floyd
« on: June 04, 2020, 04:55:08 PM »
I actually agree with you here. In my opinion, the charge should have been manslaughter. I've got no reason to believe that Chauvin was trying to kill him. Rather, it was depraved indifference in regard to his actions that ended up killing someone, when a normal person would have stepped back and said, "Oh, I shouldn't do this, it might kill them."

It's like drunk driving. We do charge them with manslaughter when they kill someone, but it's because despite the fact they drove home drunk 100 times before and didn't kill anyone a reasonable person would look on their actions and agree that they should have known their actions *could* kill someone.

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General Comments / Re: Protestors vs. Rioters
« on: June 04, 2020, 04:40:37 PM »
I'm not surprised there are members between all three groups. Leftist ideology is leftist ideology. I only wish I had the spare money to be able to bop around helping them all, but at the same time I'm unsuprised that there are young rich people with time and money to spare.

I'll ask again, where are you getting this information about shadowy cabals and Soros being literally Satan. I'm asking in good faith. Even if I disagree with it in the end (and I definitely do now,) I'm willing to look at your sources with an open mind.

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General Comments / Re: Protestors vs. Rioters
« on: June 04, 2020, 04:16:12 PM »
So...look. From my side of things, I don't mind Black Lives Matter. There's that instinctual part of me that because I'm white I start to get annoyed, but then I remember the name isn't about excluding whites, but drawing attention to black people's lives who were unnecessarily cut short by police interaction.

Antifa, I get there are some people doing bad things in it's name out there, but at the end of the day it's a really broad movement like 4chan's Anonymous. There is no central command, there is no one set of things that we can possibly hold them all accountable for.

And Occupy Wall Street...refresh my memory, but weren't they just a bunch of younguns/hippies that set up camps to inconvenience the money changers trying to make their way to the temple to do their business? What did they do to offend you so much you'd bring them back up like fifteen years later? Is it the idea behind the movement? Do you perhaps disagree with the metrics showing that the rich are getting richer, the poor are getting poorer, and the middle class is diminishing?

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General Comments / Re: George Floyd
« on: June 04, 2020, 04:02:05 PM »
I get what you're saying and I appreciate the response, but I'm not seeing much of a grey zone here. The guy was handcuffed, face down on the pavement, for nine minutes minimum with Chauvin's knee pressing into his neck. Grey zones are, to my understanding, supposed to revolve around areas of uncertainty. There was nothing uncertain about whether Floyd was safely contained and under arrest. This is so apparent that even the conservatives (no offense) have been out there saying that yeah, this was outrageous.

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General Comments / Re: George Floyd
« on: June 03, 2020, 05:36:42 PM »
On the subject of Floyd and his death.

Can we put this to bed and all agree that neither side is going to ever going to accept the other's, and will think anyone who disagrees with them is either a radical commie or a Hitler worshipper?

We don't know all the facts yet, but from what's out there at the moment looks like the guy was high as *censored* and yet also had some dickhole lean his bodyweight on his neck for nine minutes. Plenty of evidence out there for any and everyone to feed their predecided opinions.

What I will say is this. In my job over here I've got something called duty of care. There's bound to be something similar in the States, might go by a different name though. What it means is if someone is in your care or custody, you have a duty to safeguard their well being because of the very nature of your control over them. And that's why I'm coming down hard, 100 percent, against the officers who were present when Floyd was arrested.

High he might have been, but they had him securely restrained. If they knew he was high, that makes it even worse.

What do you mean? I think very nearly everyone agreed that Floyd's death was a criminal act and called for the officer involved to be prosecuted. The officer was quickly fired, charged, and arrested. Floyd's death clearly had something to do with his health and drug abuse but it was Chauvin that did it and he's going down for it. You'd have to look pretty hard to find someone that doesn't support that course of action - it was an incredibly bi-partisan moment.

Where there's disagreement is allowing rampant rioting and looting under the guise of "protest".

What I mean is, he was securely retained. At that point, his health, under duty of care, does not just become Chauvin's problem. It was all of the police officer's. It became their duty.

If they are going to detain him and restrain his rights, then they also need to take care of his health. Is this not fair play?

They didn't actually drop the knee, but they were there and they *could* have stopped it. That becomes a thing, legally. Most especially if you have that duty of care. Again, Crunch is starting to act like it's not a thing in the States, is it a thing there?

Ya know, maybe he was high. Maybe he was just some drugged up person from the wrong side of the tracks.

Doesn't matter. The same laws the same white people laid down, those cops are still guilty.

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General Comments / Re: Protestors vs. Rioters
« on: June 03, 2020, 05:17:55 PM »
What's even worse is people read and listen to this Hannity/Maddow newspaper.

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General Comments / Re: Protestors vs. Rioters
« on: June 03, 2020, 05:16:12 PM »
Want to reiterate that the Daily Mail is the yellowest of yellow journalism. Ya'll don't know what it's like until you move here. It's like the Hannity/Maddow newspaper on display right there when you're just trying to buy coffee and maybe some smokes on the way to work.

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General Comments / Re: Protestors vs. Rioters
« on: June 03, 2020, 03:02:14 PM »
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The new observation is that the Soros-funded activists are well-organized

You could save a lot of space on these threads if every time you want to point out how evil Democrats are and how blessed and saintly Republicans are you just posted:

SOROS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We'd all get your point.

Your call. You want to go there: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQl_bV1uXLE

George Soros has transferred $18 Billion to his Open Society Foundation to support his political goals. Black Lives matter, AntiFa, Occupy Wallstreet, ...who doesn't he support?

Of course not all of that $18 billion goes to paying activists - much goes to the media to make sure all opposition is tainted as conspiracy theory. Look at the internet, the first two dozen search engines all return the verdict of how saintly Soros is, and how everyone against him is the problem. You stand where you stand, but accept the position you put yourself in. And yes, Soros is an owner of that Wuhan lab that started the Coronavirus. But, so is Bill Gates.

Cool, coo coo coo co cool.

So, Soros is the devil. Perhaps because he put a lot of money , and hey look, so did Gates and others. Assuming in this paradigm they're evil as well.

Look, I have tried to be pretty equal regarding political speak. I'm a little commie sometimes, other times I machine gun off the liberals.

I'm asking you right now, not as an Ornery guy who you would feel comfortable asking others who wanted you to die to go suck your dick, what's your issue with Soros? Why do you keep bringing him up? You always do it, why? We're honestly all curious, just please answer for once in your life.

Soros. What's your deal?

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General Comments / Re: Protestors vs. Rioters
« on: June 03, 2020, 02:13:15 PM »
I'll interrupt everyone talking past each other to confess to a rather disheartening bit of bias on my part that just got shoved in my face.

The murder of Dorn was brought up above, and I admit my instinctive reaction to hearing about this old retired police captain from Missouri was to assume that he'd probably roughed up a few minorities in his time as well.

And then the links were provided (I would have Googled it but I was playing catch up) and it turns out he was beloved by the community and his colleagues, he tried his best to help youths before they irrevocably went down a bad path, and, yes, he was a black man.

So I'm playing the self reflection game on what my first reactions to things are based on at the moment.

Good call. When I posted the news that Dorne had not been mentioned by anyone except Fox - it was accurate. When Fox did a Lexis-Nexis search and found no other network had covered it, it was accurate. It is evident that the search engines lit up and the word got back to those complicit Democrat apologists, because they then started covering it as if their earlier silence never happened.

The new observation is that the Soros-funded activists are well-organized: https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/06/must-see-exclusive-mysterious-stacks-bricks-delivered-numerous-us-cities-evidence-riots-organized/

Is there any doubt that someone is orchestrating it all?

Thank you so much for that heartfelt bit of encouragement.

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General Comments / Re: George Floyd
« on: June 03, 2020, 12:40:35 PM »
On the subject of Floyd and his death.

Can we put this to bed and all agree that neither side is going to ever going to accept the other's, and will think anyone who disagrees with them is either a radical commie or a Hitler worshipper?

We don't know all the facts yet, but from what's out there at the moment looks like the guy was high as *censored* and yet also had some dickhole lean his bodyweight on his neck for nine minutes. Plenty of evidence out there for any and everyone to feed their predecided opinions.

What I will say is this. In my job over here I've got something called duty of care. There's bound to be something similar in the States, might go by a different name though. What it means is if someone is in your care or custody, you have a duty to safeguard their well being because of the very nature of your control over them. And that's why I'm coming down hard, 100 percent, against the officers who were present when Floyd was arrested.

High he might have been, but they had him securely restrained. If they knew he was high, that makes it even worse.

What do you mean? I think very nearly everyone agreed that Floyd's death was a criminal act and called for the officer involved to be prosecuted. The officer was quickly fired, charged, and arrested. Floyd's death clearly had something to do with his health and drug abuse but it was Chauvin that did it and he's going down for it. You'd have to look pretty hard to find someone that doesn't support that course of action - it was an incredibly bi-partisan moment.

Where there's disagreement is allowing rampant rioting and looting under the guise of "protest".

Look, I am absolutely not disagreeing that the riots or other disorder are justified. The people doing that are idiots hoping to take advantage.

It's about all the incidents that didn't necessarily end in death. It's about the things that weren't caught on camera. What the people protesting have experienced or heard about.

There is never an excuse for violent rioting. End of. I'm there with you. On the other hand, judiciously used legal protesting, I feel, should be supported.

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General Comments / Re: Free speech
« on: June 03, 2020, 11:00:30 AM »
Twitter just banned an account called Antifa America for threating to go to the suburbs and take what's ours. Meanwhile thousands of conservatives are advocating shooting rioters, including Trump. Tell me again how twitter is all about silencing conservatives. For what it's worth, I agree with the ban.

This was a fake account and post by a white nationalist group. It's obvious that there are efforts to stir up far right anti-left actions.

That is very troubling social/white

The apparent targeting of media by the police during the protests should also be a concern to everyone concerned with free speech.
When leadership paints the media as any enemy of the people one wonders if the police are embolden to reinterpret what it means to serve and protect.
The power this administration is attempting to place into the hands of a few is very troubling.

Honestly? I kind of feel that the police who are being ordered from on high to march out there and quell the protests are having a really bad week.

I think their treatment of journalists is yet another strike against police culture, and it certainly should not be excused or ignored, but police are people, they're not robots. I find it helpful to put myself in their shoes and wonder just what would make me act like such an *censored*. And if there is something to be done to remove that influence on them.

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General Comments / Re: George Floyd
« on: June 03, 2020, 10:50:39 AM »
On the subject of Floyd and his death.

Can we put this to bed and all agree that neither side is going to ever going to accept the other's, and will think anyone who disagrees with them is either a radical commie or a Hitler worshipper?

We don't know all the facts yet, but from what's out there at the moment looks like the guy was high as *censored* and yet also had some dickhole lean his bodyweight on his neck for nine minutes. Plenty of evidence out there for any and everyone to feed their predecided opinions.

What I will say is this. In my job over here I've got something called duty of care. There's bound to be something similar in the States, might go by a different name though. What it means is if someone is in your care or custody, you have a duty to safeguard their well being because of the very nature of your control over them. And that's why I'm coming down hard, 100 percent, against the officers who were present when Floyd was arrested.

High he might have been, but they had him securely restrained. If they knew he was high, that makes it even worse.

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General Comments / Re: Protestors vs. Rioters
« on: June 03, 2020, 10:36:56 AM »
I'll interrupt everyone talking past each other to confess to a rather disheartening bit of bias on my part that just got shoved in my face.

The murder of Dorn was brought up above, and I admit my instinctive reaction to hearing about this old retired police captain from Missouri was to assume that he'd probably roughed up a few minorities in his time as well.

And then the links were provided (I would have Googled it but I was playing catch up) and it turns out he was beloved by the community and his colleagues, he tried his best to help youths before they irrevocably went down a bad path, and, yes, he was a black man.

So I'm playing the self reflection game on what my first reactions to things are based on at the moment.

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General Comments / Re: George Floyd
« on: June 01, 2020, 05:05:23 AM »
Come on, guys.

Donald, Crunch had eventually managed to communicate what he meant.

Crunch, Donald made a point and ya shouldn't have ignored it.

Can we all put the tools and tape measures away and be friends again?

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General Comments / Re: George Floyd
« on: May 30, 2020, 06:48:10 PM »
Just for sake of argument, how many people are killed by police officers every year?

And I’d also point out that it’s likely many of those are justified so it’d be nice to know many are justified and how many are not. If the point is that police are really bloodthirsty murderers praying on the innocent, how many innocents are they killing?

It's like midnight here so I need to piss off soon.  And also...I don't know, prove me wrong, but from Google says the US of A executes between 1000 and 1200 people every year in the field via gunshot. Or course, execution via firing squadron is outdated but...

Yeah, I'm quite sure a whole lot *were* justified and we could all dance around the corpses. The ones who weren't are a concern, and also the overwatch.m

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General Comments / Re: George Floyd
« on: May 30, 2020, 06:30:38 PM »
By absurd amount I mean the amount of Americans being killed by police officers, white or black. Because the cops have been trained to jump at shadows and to shoot to kill at any little thing.

Do you disagree that that's how it is?

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General Comments / Re: Protestors vs. Rioters
« on: May 30, 2020, 06:22:47 PM »
I apparently leaped too quickly. My apologies.

Apology accepted , God knows I've played Internet dumbass before reading posts too quickly and looking for a clever response. I only interact here sporadically but I'm always reading and I appreciate your view. :)

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General Comments / Re: George Floyd
« on: May 30, 2020, 06:14:22 PM »
Two things, Crunch.

Do you acknowledge that regardless of race, given the absurd amount of deaths via police that there might be an issue with how the police are doing things?

Second, the more white people number sounds good on the face of it, but can you acknowledge the idea of ratios? Theoretically if there are 50 white people in a place, 20 black people, 20 white people see unfortunate consequences and 10 black people do, there's something wrong with that despite more white people getting screwed?

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General Comments / Re: Protestors vs. Rioters
« on: May 30, 2020, 05:51:33 PM »
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But let's not exaggerate and try to make it out like this man who knew he was being filmed decided to straight up murder someone.

I assume you're being sarcastic, but not sure who you're aiming at.  I doubt he was mugging for the camera, just doin' his job. Floyd was too drunk to drive home, submitted to being handcuffed and put on the ground, and kept complaining that the officer's knee on his neck made it so he couldn't breathe.

Wow, aren't you tiresome? I agree with you on like 95 percent of the issues but christ, just go read back the thread. I'm about ready to understand what Crunch and Seriati have been saying about you and I expect an apology for that.

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General Comments / Re: Protestors vs. Rioters
« on: May 30, 2020, 05:07:13 PM »
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Law enforcement is not the bad guys in this - except for poorly trained officers who must be punished for being clueless and hurting those they are sworn to protect.

I just want to be sure I understand.  Are you saying that this officer had no bad intentions or negative feelings in this incident, that it was only the result of "bad training"?  Are the 18 other complaints that were lodged against him also the result of bad training?  If so, how much training over how long a period would he need in order not to kill handcuffed and unarmed suspects?

You are also clueless. It is not a binary set; either this or that. Chauvin was clueless about what he was doing. I'm sure he didn't want to kill Floyd - that would be murder one. He will be tried for murder three, involuntary manslaughter, because he was stupid. Being stupid does not mean he was intentionally evil - just culpable for what he did.

It's interesting that you have such a firm conviction that you know what was in his mind.

Come on. The cop wasn't trying to kill anyone.

From his record he liked to "put people in their place," with "his authority," and this time his antics killed someone. By all means, let's string him up.

But let's not exaggerate and try to make it out like this man who knew he was being filmed decided to straight up murder someone.

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General Comments / Re: George Floyd
« on: May 30, 2020, 04:19:50 PM »
And I will say the police might well gain a reputation boost with the population if they just stopped being complete dicks so very often.

I'm white. Italian heritage, but yeah, basically white. Even *I* got a lecture from my father when I turned sixteen and got a car and started going out. About how the police have guns and will shoot you, you need to ask permission for everything and move very slow. The conversation with a black teenager must be so much worse/soul destroying.

And it's being baked into the culture. "Well, they should have just listened to their instructions," say the conservatives.

The fact that anyone can be stopped for almost any reason, and have to bow down and follow possibly contradictive orders like a slave, on pain of death by firearm that will likely by explained away?

That's an issue for any American, black or white.

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General Comments / Re: George Floyd
« on: May 30, 2020, 04:05:25 PM »
Is this arrogance and unneeded violence something that has become ingrained in police culture? Is stuff like this happening every day to people, minority or not, because the wider culture excuses police malfeasance under the banner of hero worship?

There are two sides to that coin, and they have to deal with both ends, and more frequently the other in balance I'd think.

The Police are viewed as the enemy by a large portion of the population--and not just the criminal element. When you have people working to further perpetuate that image, it develops a large degree of antagonism on the part of the officers who have to deal with it day in and day out.

You also neglect to remember that human nature is to remember the bad things in life rather than the good things. You can do a dozen good things for a person, but you wrong them once, they're going to tend to forget those good things, and only remember that you wronged them. The officers are human, they're going to fall into the same kinds of traps as everyone else.

We can try to explain and understand wrongdoings, and even factor it into sentencing. The issue is that said wrongdoings are being covered up and explained away without the perpetrators even being confronted with real consequences.

Police these days act like the Catholic Church. (Of old? Honestly don't know if Rome is still just transferring kiddie diddlers to a new diocese.)

A cop gets dismissed from his employment for wrongdoing and he can sign right back on with another department a city or a state away because the previous employer doesn't want to screw them over because of the thin blue line.

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General Comments / Re: George Floyd
« on: May 30, 2020, 03:50:37 PM »
And to make it clear to everyone, I can accept that there lies a bias in a lot of police that gets their adrenaline flowing with minority interactions that is absolutely racial. Look up the "social experiment" vids on YouTube where the same team sends a white man open carrying into the street, and then a black man, and the different responses.

Racial bias is real and a problem but sadly it's not the real issue. The real issue is, like Lambert has said, the training. And also the culture. The police culture is malignant. The thin blue line is a concept that has evolved these days into something where no matter how wrong or unlawful an officer's actions are, they get covered up and defended in the name of unity. I'm sure some will say, "But Quag, look at the coverage this is getting! Justice will preveil!"

Yeah, well, the coverage of the actions that killed Floyd only happened because it was on tape, and the culture that let those officers forget that they were dealing with reporters who could live stream their bull*censored*, sadly, it's the norm rather then the exception.

Look at the UK. Their criminals still have guns (outlaw guns, only outlaws have guns) but somehow the vast majority of UK policemen interact with the public calmly and with techniques designed to reduce conflict.

If US police are to be called heroes, they need to take up a higher standard. To go out there and risk their lives, yes, but also not to kill, detain, or abuse innocent people just because they were scared, thought they could get away with it, or enjoyed it. 

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General Comments / Re: George Floyd
« on: May 30, 2020, 03:26:48 PM »
Want to say first off I don't approve of the more violent aspects of the protests.

That being said, we've seen one news crew arrested despite showing their press credentials on live television, and another being shot with pepper rounds.

These are events getting attention because they were being filmed live, and because the press is seen as sancrosanct. What is disturbing is that the police involved carried through like it was routine business.

Is this arrogance and unneeded violence something that has become ingrained in police culture? Is stuff like this happening every day to people, minority or not, because the wider culture excuses police malfeasance under the banner of hero worship?

These are the issues that need looking at.

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General Comments / Re: We gotta talk about Uncle Joe
« on: May 19, 2020, 04:24:54 PM »
Where's the tape?  They only talk about it without quoting it or letting us listen to it.  Will you apologize for raising this if it turns out to be a dud?

The highlights of the translated transcript is presented, and the entire tape is presented at the bottom of the page, although it is in Ukrainian. Just so you'll know for the future, if you scroll down you get more of the web page.

Ornery.org.

Bringing passive aggressiveness designed to slide under forum rules since 1999.

BTW not aimed at you, Lambert, most people here do it.

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