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General Comments / Re: Election Results

« on: December 31, 2020, 02:44:53 PM »

If said voter ID is provided free of charge by the state, I can agree to go along with it in the name of compromise.

Otherwise it's just a poll tax.

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General Comments / Re: Predictions and thoughts on the Biden Presidency

« on: December 30, 2020, 06:43:13 PM »

"You guys really have TDS over this.  It will never be true that it can be proven that Obama was born in Hawaii or born in Kenya.  It will always be true that Hawaii certified him as born there.  No matter how much you wish it, the latter doesn't guarantee the former."

Just so everyone is aware Seriati is the half brother of Kim Jong Un. Through his father. His mother is Chinese and therefore he is working for the CCP as we speak. I guess one day some "state" can certify him as being born there but we will all know the truth. Like the man said, hard to impossible to prove a negative, right?

PS. God help Seriati after these shocking accusations if he dares to have brown skin.

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General Comments / Re: coronavirus

« on: December 30, 2020, 06:16:37 PM »

"Caught the Rona."

"Working from home."

Like hahaha what a quintessential American response.

Take a few days off work, my friend. And of course all the best.

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General Comments / Re: So will you take the vaccine?

« on: December 30, 2020, 06:08:32 PM »

Let's be honest about what this thread is.

This thread is nothing but bait to try and bring out those among use who are perfectly willing to go tell the rest of us, and our grandmothers to boot, to just go *censored* themselves.

*I'm* healthy so *I* could never fall victim to such a low class disease. Not my family either!

Blah blah blah. Maybe a handful of people have an allegeric reaction. Meanwhile as others have pointed out 1/1000 Americans have already died from this virus. You need to choose where you stand because this is something people will remember.

Measles, rubella, polio. "Crazy" people ended up out there saying they'd solved the whole thing and every freaking time there was the one guy hanging back, "It's not been tested properly!"

Except of course said pandemic killer had been tested and approved.

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General Comments / Re: coronavirus

« on: December 23, 2020, 02:16:24 PM »

Latest news has it that the new varient has been seen in Denmark. Given the enhanced transmisabilty and how a good number of covid infections go undetected, it's most likely that the new varient is alive and well all across Europe.

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General Comments / Re: Good time for the UK or no?

« on: December 23, 2020, 02:13:12 PM »

I'm cautiously optimistic, but it's looking like the fishing dispute was typical politician brinkmanship. Now that we're closer to the deadline it looks like they're getting much more serious about things and a deal might well come in before Christmas.

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General Comments / Re: What to do with actual election fraud?

« on: December 11, 2020, 06:31:34 PM »

"How do you prove fraud in a secret ballot election?  And eliminate any use of ID or apparently any comparison of signatures of the alleged voter.

How can anyone trust losing in a system where there's no way to catch cheaters?"

Didn't make history a major in uni so I could be wrong, but can you tell us how conservative states protected against said hypothetical silent ballot abuse?

If they didn't, can you explain how the republic lived and prospered for these 240 odd years?

How have things changed so much that now it's a national emergency? Beyond, of course, your side losing.

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General Comments / Re: What to do with actual election fraud?

« on: December 10, 2020, 06:07:09 PM »

If the constituents of these people are demanding they do this then we apparently have an issue, because what they're asking is to use interstate judicial law to literally overturn election results. Christ, the Confederates could only wish they had the balls to go for that argument when *they* didn't win the presidential election.

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General Comments / Re: What to do with actual election fraud?

« on: December 10, 2020, 06:01:21 PM »

No. Come on. Just...no.

You know my guilty  pleasure? Deffo one hundred percent Hell's Kitchen. I myself know it's dumb but that's why it's the guilty pleasure.


And my favourite part of the show isn't when Ramsey completely loses his *censored*, it's when he starts quietly muttering the above, looking them in the eye. Like a piece of his soul has just been removed and sent to Alpha Centauri because someone brought him a raw steak after he chewed them out for it being too well done five minutes earlier.

https://www.mediaite.com/news/just-in-more-than-100-gop-house-members-sign-amicus-brief-backing-texas-effort-to-overturn-biden-victory-in-supreme-court/

These people are absolutely shameless. I literally muttered to myself no, haha, they're just having a laugh.

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General Comments / Lame ducks and sitting targets

« on: December 10, 2020, 05:25:08 PM »

You learn something new every day. Today I learned there is a 130 year precedent in which an acknowledged lame duck president lays off on procedures for instituting federal death penalties because it's only polite to let the guy you got *censored*canned for to make those decisions instead. It's like you're respecting the will of the voters.

So Trump has decided to Trump all over that and his DOJ is putting on a full court press to execute just as many people as he can possibly.get away with before Jan 20th. Never mind the scumbags getting the treatment or how 5 percent of people put to death are actually innocent, this isn't and shouldn't be a death penalty debate.

All I'm saying is people still bring up the W key keyboard thing 20 years later and this guy is still doing this and no one cares, it's like he shot a guy on Fifth Avenue.

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General Comments / Re: Good time for the UK or no?

« on: December 10, 2020, 04:54:00 PM »

Nah, I'm in the UK at the moment and we're definitely screwed. Hundred percent.

Johnson was at the forefront the entire time for this entire debacle and he was Trump 2.0, some demented fool who thought he could mess his hair up a bit and look like ome of the "regular" people.

One of the only good things about Covid is he walked into the PM's office on the back of rainbows and promises to wealthy people, massive *censored* eating grin on his face about how he tricked everyone.

And now when you see him speak publicly you can see it in his eyes just how tired he is, this virus and the Brexit negotiations have defeated him utterly. Best thing is how you can see that he knows it.

PS  - When I said he was at the front of the debacle he was one of the head figures of the Leave campaign from early days. Not Covid. He's sucked balls on Covid as well though.

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General Comments / Re: What to do with actual election fraud?

« on: December 10, 2020, 01:25:37 PM »

On a much less preachy note, lolol at the frigging conservative wing of American politics (Democracy! Freedom! *censored* yeah World Police!) getting so very worked up over

A) More of us voted? They were probably all plebs! The tragedy!
B) Let's make it easier for eligible voters to vote?!? Back in my grandfather's day, he had to walk uphill past Voldemort probably in the snow to get to the voting booth and he didn't complain and neither did the conservatives. That stuff worked back then and it can work now. PS Grandaddy was black sure that didn't make a difference though.

PSPS Grandaddy wasn't actually Black was just trying to pull the joke off.

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General Comments / Re: What to do with actual election fraud?

« on: December 10, 2020, 01:17:00 PM »

But that doesn't explain why the media pretty much didn't cover any third party options this time around, at all. That's a completely separate issue. The mainstream media did it's level best to rig the election as much as possible in favor of Biden.

So, you're saying the mainstream media didn't cover the third party option of "Libertarians", because that would take votes away from the Democrats? That's not usually the party where libertarian votes tend to go in America, is it? They usually go to Republicans.

Frankly I find it shameful that you use the same phrase "rig the election" for this kind of thing that is used by the conspiracy nuts who argue the election was stolen via, you know, actual election fraud.

By doing this, and by putting this sort of comment in an "election fraud" thread, you're also allying yourself with the lying Trump administration and the various nutjobs who believe it. Like Seriati (and unlike wmLambert who seems to genuinely believe the crap he's saying), it's not as if you actually believe the election was stolen, it's not as if you *actually* believe there was actual significant election fraud, you are just doing your best to muddle the issue with irrelevant nonsense. It's okay that Trump says the "election was stolen"... because the media turned people against him, oh no! But that's a bit of a very different accusation he's making that the election was frozen via election fraud. If Trump was just blaming the media for turning the people unfairly against him, NOBODY WOULD *censored*ING CARE.

All in all, rather dishonest of you. A game of "motte and bailey" where the same phrase "rig the election" is used to mean two different things.

Btw, I don't see you complaining how the evangelical & other religious groups supported Trump, nor do I see you complaining that the various religious groups tried to "rig the election" as much as possible in favour of Trump. I suppose it's excused if you have a direct line from god, telling you that Trump is the chosen one. It's okay to "rig the election" then, when God is telling you to.

Is it okay for religious groups to support Trump, or is that somehow not "rigging the election" according to you?

Aris you're one of my absolute favourite posters (funny thing, my other one atm is Lambert because boy howdy does he just bring the MOST entertaining websites to the party. Stuff I never would have come across in the wild.)

And a large part of that is just how sharp your knives get when anyone, right or left wing, starts acting stupid. It's wildly entertaining. Gotten sliced a time or two myself and I know on at least one occasion I definitely had it coming.

What I'm going to suggest right now is that perhaps your knives are getting just a little too sharp. There's, what, 10 if we're lucky regular posters, put the occasionals like me in there for maybe another ten, and then let's be generous and grant us another twenty lurkers who never post. That's fourty people. Ornery.org is not and never will be the hill where the war was won.

We've made a tradition of not attacking people on a personal level and not questioning people's motives. And while your stated opinions on Seriati and Lambert are ones that I might well share, *I actually enjoy hearing their opinions and arguments even when every part of me thinks they're full of *censored*.*

Where the hell else am I going to find reasonably cogent arguments from the other side in a place where theoretically we can all just sit down and talk without trying to kill each other? (I said reasonably. Even if some people don't give out entirely logical arguments there's value to be had in hearing them make their case.)

The absolute worst type of place this could ever become is an echo chamber, and I start to get concerned when one of the minority is outright being called insane and another is being told that he's a lying liar who lies.

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General Comments / Re: Election Results

« on: December 01, 2020, 03:12:58 PM »

Lock...him? Up!

https://www.mediaite.com/opinion/how-the-hunter-biden-laptop-story-disappeared-from-fox-news-prime-time-after-the-election/

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General Comments / Re: Election Results

« on: November 06, 2020, 01:27:00 PM »

I think the main difference between this year and 16 is that the voters in 20 had had four years of Trump in action to consider.

Clinton in 16 was an underwhelming candidate, neck deep in the swamp. So is Biden. Except this year enough people had seen Trump's true colors and went the other way.

The social democratic vote is still underestimated because the beuracracy in both parties are terrified of it, but if the right message is put forth to vote *for* something instead of *against* something in Georgia it'll be a tighter campaign then some think.

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General Comments / Re: Election Results

« on: November 06, 2020, 12:42:14 PM »

It sounds like the Secret Service has now called it for Biden...

Or they take into account the general atmosphere when allocating their resources.

There are crazies on both sides, yes, but it's the Trump figurehead actively creating a narrative of democracy being overturned via cheating and corruption. There's only one side desperately throwing out sparks that could set off a zealot bonfire and it's not only brown people who are able to get into the mindset that it's okay if they die so long as they take out some of the Enemy.


That being said if Biden and his camp possess half a brain they will have employed a legion of private security long before now for precisely this reason.

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General Comments / Re: A Message from the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump:

« on: November 05, 2020, 08:26:46 PM »

Well, that little speech was quite a thing, wasn't it? You could see the toys getting thrown out of the pram.

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General Comments / Re: Election Results

« on: November 05, 2020, 08:22:35 PM »

Pack it up and go home, everyone.

Humans undeniably have human nature, therefore Noel has won the argument.

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General Comments / Re: Colorado Prop 113

« on: November 05, 2020, 08:03:28 PM »

Well, it passed and if we look at it it's quite a doozy.
It basically acts as a bootstrapping bypass of the Electoral College.

This is old news.  Where you been?  It's the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact.  16 States have already passed the measure.  Goes all the way back to 2007.  There is a big question about the constitutionality of the matter.  If it ever does pass it will end up with SCOTUS.  The agreement can also basically be pulled out of.  They have about 200 electoral votes tied up already.  More important the Colorado are votes in Ohio, Virginia, and Pennsylvania.

Honestly, I didn't know and thanks for passing the info on.

I'm curious on the basis of it being unconstitutional though. You'd think state's rights include how they choose to allocate their electoral votes. It's definitely not an issue of needing to  cleave to local election results or the existence of rogue electors wouldn't be a thing.

And of course if the state got tired of it they could vote it away.

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General Comments / Colorado Prop 113

« on: November 05, 2020, 07:34:25 PM »

Well, it passed and if we look at it it's quite a doozy.

It basically acts as a bootstrapping bypass of the Electoral College. It promises that if states adding up to 270 electoral votes also take up the compact, that Colorado pledges their electoral votes to the national popular vote winner.

Now people may get skeptical about that coming about but the funny thing about propositions that let's them continue to surprise us is that when you're voting they don't have an R or a D attached to them. So people who brainlessly vote straight ticket actually have to step back and think a moment. And I think this is something that could definitely catch on.

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General Comments / Re: A Message from the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump:

« on: November 05, 2020, 07:20:40 PM »

If you remove all the votes that didn't vote for me then I totally won.

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General Comments / Re: Predictions and thoughts on the Biden Presidency

« on: November 05, 2020, 06:49:41 PM »

Remove the six seats. I can't recall how long it's been but the size of the House hasn't changed in quite a while and if Arizona gaining a Rep and an electoral vote due to a census isn't a big deal I don't see why changing the proportion of Reps due to a new state would be.

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General Comments / Re: Predictions and thoughts on the Biden Presidency

« on: November 05, 2020, 06:47:21 PM »

What were the entry "requirements" for, let's say, Ohio? Nebraska? California?

And I have little to no respect for people who know they're going to lose an election and therefore decline to participate  because they're aware they can't win and are just looking to make the election look illegitimate.

"If you don't vote, you can't complain."

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General Comments / Re: Predictions and thoughts on the Biden Presidency

« on: November 05, 2020, 06:08:37 PM »

Christ.

I am sick and tired of hearing people complaining about "new states." The process for that is perfectly outlined in the friggen Constitution and it is what it is. If the process goes through then it's done.

You know the last time people started getting real shirty about new states being added and their Senatorial impact? Pretty sure it was when people were worried about Northern anti-slavery states outweighing Southern pro-slavery states. The South got real upset. First we had to have some compromise they made me memorise in high school and I forgot a week later then we had a civil war over it.

Fact is the Senate is proportioned precisely to allow smaller states to have bigger impact and I think it's pretty rich listening to people who have defended and traded on that for what are likely literal decades get their panties in a bunch because they're assuming the new states just wouldn't think like they do.

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General Comments / Re: Predictions and thoughts on the Biden Presidency

« on: November 05, 2020, 05:56:50 PM »

Shout out to Martha McSally who somehow managed to fill both of her state's Senatorial seats and promptly turned them over to the opposition party.

Can we move her to Georgia and let her work her magic? Is that allowed? /s

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General Comments / Re: Polling Analysis

« on: November 05, 2020, 05:47:57 PM »

And I'll just say it's pretty funny that the "legalise it," crowd somehow never came under the umbrella of the, "Screw the feds, state's rights, people have inherent choices about their own bodies and choices in life," crowd.

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General Comments / Re: Polling Analysis

« on: November 05, 2020, 05:42:56 PM »

Have to wonder how much of the "Arizona surprise" was a consequence of Californians moving to Arizona over the past 8 months as a consequence of the Covid lockdowns.

Or a proposition being up for voting, that being, "Should we allow recreational cannabis?"

It's anecdotal but based upon the people I saw growing up that is something that would have motivated them to get into the polling booth. Them being younger voters who, since they were there anyway, signed on to "Duck Trump."

Younger voters swing wildly liberal yet they're pansies who can't be arsed to actually vote on the day of. Well, for the most part. It's why the political establishment as a whole discounts them and why Bernie couldn't get past the primaries.

In a battleground state all it can take is a small nudge and I have a feeling this surprise may well have come out of that proposition.

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General Comments / Re: Election Results

« on: November 05, 2020, 01:05:12 PM »

And to say that the observers are not able to stand watch over all of the mail in ballots and verify the signature of each one is just obtuse. What makes those observers qualified to verify those signatures?

They saw something someone posted on Facebook.

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General Comments / Re: Election Results

« on: November 05, 2020, 12:44:49 PM »

The mental gymnastics coming forth here are making the Hillary camp's increasingly desperate defense of Michigan in 16 look like amateur time.

Eta - Major props to Cherry for being a true blue conservative who thinks Obama is just the worst and yet has calmly acknowledged the result and just asked how we think a Biden Presidency/Republican Senate is going to unfold.

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General Comments / Re: Election Results

« on: November 04, 2020, 12:33:48 PM »

First of all, you demanded it so obviously because you did I'm now contractually obliged to listen up.

I formally REQUEST, PLEASE, with all due respect and admiration, for you to lighten up, not "listen up". Or at least drink less coffee. 

You're just a lower tier *censored* unwilling to take a side and properly happy to run in there and take advantage of what did work out.

I find this highly insulting.  I am NOT a lower tier *censored*.  I am a High High tier *censored*.  I am the highest tiered *censored* on this board.  Who is the bigger *censored* than me?  Is there no-one? 

And I did take a side.  I voted.  But I can objectively watch an election without letting my "side" effect my judgement.  It is true that my general philosophy is that all people, which includes both Democrats and Republicans, are pretty crazy, in proportion to how hard they take a "side".

Well obviously. You all should probably know me by now. I do not at all trust myself or anything I might say. I never trust myself for anything lol. That doesn't mean what I said. Just didn't half the back-up.

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General Comments / Re: Election Results

« on: November 04, 2020, 09:40:33 AM »

Hmmm... I think people need to take a nap.

I sometimes do but I feel it's a bit rude to just say it out in public whilst pretending something else.

Also. "Someone need's a nap." There is no other explanation or introduction that is...

Also you really grinded my gears on that, thinking I could have had a word with you but yeah, we all need to protect each other nowdays.

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General Comments / Re: Election Results

« on: November 04, 2020, 09:38:08 AM »

Hmmm... I think people need to take a nap.

I sometimes do but I feel it's a bit rude to just say it out in public whilst pretending something else.

Also. "Someone need's a nap." There is no other explanation or introduction that is...

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General Comments / Re: Election Results

« on: November 04, 2020, 09:27:59 AM »

Please. Pick a *censored*ing lane.

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General Comments / Re: Election Results

« on: November 04, 2020, 09:25:50 AM »

First of all, you demanded it so obviously because you did I'm now contractually obliged to listen up. You did afterall say thanks for that, I had trouble listening up before you came along. Thanks for your thanks!

You're up in here looking to make fun of Dems and, if they give you the opportunity, Reps due to the election. We all understand lol. You're just a lower tier *censored* unwilling to take a side and properly happy to run in there and take advantage of what did work out.

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General Comments / Re: A Message from the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump:

« on: November 04, 2020, 09:08:58 AM »

This is a fraud on the American public. This is an embarrassment to our country. We were getting ready to win this election. Frankly, we did win this election,

Trump at 2am while ballots are still being counted in close races. I can't believe that many of you don't see how absolutely dangerous this man is to our nation.

They're used to it by now, they think he's telling the truth, and most importantly he's been putting their judges in place. If we were going to swing them it would have happened a while ago. They are who they are.

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General Comments / Re: Election Results

« on: November 04, 2020, 09:05:40 AM »

With all the claims about democratic voter fraud. Can the Republicans here state clearly that Trump exceeding the polls by around 4% indicates that Democrats do not engage in any type of wide spread voter fraud?

I for one think it''s obvious on the face of it that the Demoncrats cheated the vote by 6 percent.

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General Comments / Re: Election Results

« on: November 04, 2020, 08:54:36 AM »

Also you're telling us all to dig in and also complaining about the lack of responses. Don't worry, sweetheart, I'm pretty sure most of us will give just the reaction you want, no matter who wins.

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General Comments / Re: Election Results

« on: November 04, 2020, 08:51:44 AM »

I'm just trying to have a polite conversation, and yet you keep condescending to me. And yet you're the one complaining about people being...atheists? Believing in God? Friendly advice, your message there is a bit confused. If you were annoyed with both of those categories I could probably give you a thumbs up.

I'm not quite sure why you think he's destined to win in Penn  or Michigan.

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General Comments / Re: Election Results

« on: November 04, 2020, 08:35:08 AM »

Damn, y'all got quiet.  I know not everybody went to bed like me at 8:30pm CT.

I think it's we've all made our stances known and there's just not much to go on yet.

I think the major story here is that Trump has overperformed the polls.  It's not going to be a Biden blowout.  So sorry, Greg.      It's going to be a squeaker either way.  Honestly, right now, it looks like Trump is going to win, which is a yuge story for Le Chattegrabber and his Grabbettes.  Nate Silver is still awake.  He probably looks like Bill the Cat at this point.

You really think that? Biden took AZ. It's not Cali or Texas or anything but that's eleven votes most all Trumptistas thought were solidly in their pocket. You can tell from their reactions when their own pocket media were the first to declare AZ for Biden. They were *not* happy.

No one tends to give a *censored* about Western States that don't start with C or T but these eleven votes actually dramatically shrink Trump's way to victory.

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General Comments / Re: Election Results

« on: November 04, 2020, 08:13:10 AM »

What's funny is that Puerto Rico could have been a state a very long time ago, it's just the Puerto Ricans keep politely declining. And God forbid DC be given representatives, it's not like their population is bigger then certain Republican states who get to have *their* two Senators.

The Court thing is morally dubious, I'll grant that. And yet, not at all unConstitutional and probably could rub cheeks with the idea that an open slot in February needs to wait until after the election but one in September needs to be filled RIGHT NOW IT'S THE RIGHT OF THE PRESIDENT.

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General Comments / Re: Election Results

« on: November 04, 2020, 08:07:40 AM »

Damn, y'all got quiet.  I know not everybody went to bed like me at 8:30pm CT.

I think it's we've all made our stances known and there's just not much to go on yet.

I will say having been raised in Arizona I'm feeling pretty proud of the old place right now.

Although, I think the only reason Biden took Arizona is because this election had a proposition up to legalize recreational cannabis use. I guarantee that brought out voters who otherwise wouldn't have bothered and, while they were there, *censored* Trump.

Saw people talking about how they think that contributed to Michigan in 16 as well.

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General Comments / Re: covid-19 outside the US

« on: November 04, 2020, 08:01:20 AM »

What we're talking about here is eugenics. Morally we should defend the vulnerable more, but I think we all know round about the fourth or fifth shutdown you're going to have a healthy majority willing to just let the people who will die, die.

You should be aware that genetic testing to determine vulnerability to Covid19 also delves into the domain of eugenics too. It effectively creates two classes of people by means of their DNA if we're dealing in a situation where a vaccine proves not to be viable.

I think the idea of a genetic test for covid susceptibility is so far out as to be a pipe dream.

The only reason we can even speculate that vulnerability is partially genetic are seeing how it hits some families particularly hard.

What it will end up being is some very minor thing that allows the virus access to cells a bit more efficiently, and while I'm certainly not a virologist or pathology expert I'm assuming here that our mastery of genetics doesn't allow us to pinpoint that one small stretch of DNA quite so easily.

Although I might be wrong. I can't remember if they ever nailed down why 5-10 percent of Northern Europeans are effectively immune to the HIV virus.

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General Comments / Re: read any good books lately?

« on: November 03, 2020, 05:41:53 AM »

I've been rereading the Dark Tower series recently and to go back through it with an adult's understanding of the issues in the text and beyond that what the author himself was dealing with in his personal life makes it much more interesting.

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General Comments / Re: covid-19 outside the US

« on: November 03, 2020, 03:45:50 AM »

Sorry. Want to make it clear I understand that like the only symptom Covid *isn't* known for is sniffles, I was using the term as a euphemism.

A mild fever or light cough would be the better description.

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General Comments / Re: covid-19 outside the US

« on: November 03, 2020, 03:42:13 AM »

It's appeared now. It's going to kill *so many* of us. How are we going to respond?

Beyond a potential vaccine that you get "boosters" for at least once every 6 months... The only other avenue is to determine which genetic markers indicate likely positive outcomes vs likely negative outcomes from a full-on Covid-19 infection and start trying to work out how to best protect those that are genetically vulnerable from exposure. They basically get to be treated like everyone else with "compromised immune systems" when Covid19 is known to be in the area.

This is what we should do. You know, like, morally.

I think we all know what's actually going to happen.

From the very beginning there have been voices urging the population to just let the virus spread and do it's thing. This virus gives some people sniffles and cuts like a knife through butter into entire families, all depending on the genetic makeup.

What we're talking about here is eugenics. Morally we should defend the vulnerable more, but I think we all know round about the fourth or fifth shutdown you're going to have a healthy majority willing to just let the people who will die, die.

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General Comments / Re: covid-19 outside the US

« on: November 02, 2020, 02:57:20 PM »

We're not immune. I say that as humans. There are a very large amount of viruses just waiting to take a bite. Live handling practices obviously don't help whether it's Spanish Flu from American pigs or CV-19 from Chinese live bat-for-dinner markets.

Honestly? We as a species are primed to have the "right" virus take a chunk out of the population and let the best of us try to care for them and in the process catch the disease.

It's appeared now. It's going to kill *so many* of us. How are we going to respond?

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General Comments / Re: covid-19 outside the US

« on: November 02, 2020, 02:36:56 PM »

And as much as I don't want to Lambert the conversation up, consider this.

Fifteen to twenty thousand years ago a new virus emerges. It spreads easily and some people die easily and others get a few sniffles.

Those with the wrong genetic defense, they die. The rest of them live to have descendents joke about someone complaining about the common cold.

Is that the point we're approaching now?

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General Comments / Re: covid-19 outside the US

« on: November 02, 2020, 02:19:09 PM »

How did the great Sweden experiment work out?  I remember they went full open back at the beginning of summer, right?  And they eventually leveled off?

Are they seeing the same upswing as the rest of Europe?

That experiment was worthy and something I was looking forward to seeing the results of.

Unfortunately Covid is the gift that keeps on giving and from the looks of it it's similar to the common cold in that you can get it, get the antibodies, you'll be immune for a while and then six to twelve months later you're ripe to catch it again. Herd immunity isn't going to be a valid defense mechanism.

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General Comments / Re: covid-19 outside the US

« on: November 02, 2020, 11:15:18 AM »

The same things that make winter flu season were always going to bring a sharp increase in covid cases

Interesting data coming from the Southern Hemisphere which flu season is coming to a end
The numbers of those infected with the flu are way down. in some places 75% lower the previous years.

The hypothesis is that mask wearing and social distancing for COVID-19 may have kept the number of influenza cases way down south of the equator

I'm not surprised. As others have said, even a basic understanding of virus prevention methods among the population is going to reduce virus transmission, no matter what virus. In countries without partisan groups not using masks or adhering to social distancing in order to own the libs, I'm completely unsurprised that flu transmission saw a sharp decrease. I'm pretty sure people around the world have seen a sharp decrease in the common cold to go along with it.

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General Comments / Re: covid-19 outside the US

« on: November 02, 2020, 10:51:06 AM »

As a follow on the details make the decision of Boris Johnson look asinine.

He's shutting down all nonessential businesses and ordering people to stay within their homes. Okay. If you believe the virus is that much a danger, that's understandable.

Schools and universities are still open.

What the literal *censored*.

Primary schools, since they've existed, have in medical terms been the best place ever for everything from lice to polio to spread throughout a community.

It's either dangerous enough to shut down the economy in which case you do it *right,* or it's not. We're getting the worst of both worlds here.

I swear. Friggin Tories.