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BTW, I tracked down your #molotov inaccuracy.

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The belief that it was, or was not a Molotov cocktail was why on August 26, the hashtag #Molotov started trending on Twitter, along with an increase in the number of comments on posts and the sharing of images related to plastic bags. Some Twitter users who cross-referenced the videos discovered that in videos shot from other angles, the object the victim threw appeared to be a plastic bag. In addition to the item clearly not on fire and appearing to be bag-shaped from other angles, a plastic bag is visible on scene after the fact, in the same location the object landed. The victim was also filmed carrying a plastic bag with some items in it moments before the shooting took place, which appeared to be the same plastic bag at the scene of the shooting. In the time since, other outlets, including ABC News, have confirmed that the object in the video was indeed a plastic bag.

Attacked with a deadly shopping bag!

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General Comments / Re: coronavirus
« on: September 02, 2020, 02:40:17 PM »
Well the Trump administration is trying to lower the numbers. By reducing tests and reclassifying deaths. They've convinced their supporters there are actually only 9,000 deaths.

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It was copied from a Facebook post and claimed the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention had “quietly updated the Covid number to admit that only 6%” of reported deaths — or about 9,000 — “actually died from Covid.”

Eliminating anybody with obsesity, who apparently really died from being fat, and not covid.


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So when a guy with a knife is running away from the cops, they are perfectly justified in blasting away. But when citizens chase a guy with a rifle running away who just shot someone in the head, they are wrong to do so?

I haven't seen any report that he was at these properties at the request of the owner. Nor is there anything in the times article about anyone throwing an incendiary device, that I can see.

Legally, most anything Rittenhouse said would not make a difference. Unless he made a threat to start shooting people. Morally it makes a hell of a lot of difference, it is the difference between a mob setting upon him unprovoked and him pushing someone to their breaking point.

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Okay, they only had a still image of the first shooting.

https://static01.nyt.com/images/2020/08/26/video/26vid-kenosha-muzzle3/26vid-kenosha-muzzle3-superJumbo.jpg?quality=90&auto=webp

Here is the video they took the still image from:

https://twitter.com/trbrtc/status/1298841139810893824

okay, twitter for some reason won't let me direct link to that post.

They have two video in that thread which show the first shooting.

The one they took the still from is described as "The muzzle flash of the first shot by the unknown gunman and the smoke rising from the handgun can be seen in this video capturing the first shooting from a different angle."

The other video is described as "At 23:19, Rittenhouse is seen in this YouTube livestream. He's being chased into a parking lot. While he is being pursued, an unknown gunman fires the first shot into the air." and in that one, you can see victim #1 throw what looks to be a molotov cocktail at Rittenhouse, although subsequent reporting seems to indicate it wasn't one in reality. It still was a bottle with a flaming piece of cloth attached.

Maybe you didn't read it all either. I did.

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He eventually leaves the dealership and is barred by the police from returning.

At this point, he's not protecting anything. Did he walk toward the mob, get caught up in the mob, surrounded by the mob? I have no idea. The picture does show him near a dealership, possibly the same one. If police were barring him from returning, where are they? Why is he still in the area? I don't know. And we obviously don't know what, if any, interaction he had with the guy who lunged at him. Did he threaten him? Taunt him? We'll never know because he shot that guy in the head.

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While Mr. Rittenhouse is being pursued by the group, an unknown gunman fires into the air, though it’s unclear why. The weapon’s muzzle flash appears in footage filmed at the scene.

So he was NOT being fired upon and had no reason to return fire by this account. I am giving Rittenhouse some benefit of the doubt that the Times report might be inaccurate.

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General Comments / Re: Militia in the streets
« on: September 02, 2020, 01:17:25 PM »
No, rationalizing how rioters who burn down buildings and, just as importantly, verbally threaten murder and arson are not the real bad guys is illogical. Once the initial act has occurred, the intent is criminal and ongoing.

Since that's immutable, I'm glad to know you condemn the rioting and looting committed by the Sons of Liberty. Because make no mistake, that is exactly what we are talking about here. A government that has failed its people, relies on force to make people compliant, and turns a deaf ear to those who decry the injustice must inevitably be made right by force of arms if necessary.

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General Comments / Re: Militia in the streets
« on: September 02, 2020, 11:26:24 AM »
When we send troops over to Afghanistan to take out al-Qaeda, are we not defending ourselves?

This guy went over there and was apparently putting out fires started by arsonists. I'm not talking about just defending ourselves as in personal self-defense, although he did end up doing that too after someone tried to set him on fire.  But I'm also referring to defending our civilization, the one that many of these so called protestors seem to want to burn down and destroy. The one that the police are supposed to be defending but are abandoning under orders. It makes a lot more sense for people to try to defend themselves by helping their neighbors than it does to wait until the fight comes right to your own doorstep at which point your back is up against the wall and all it takes is one person to throw a Molotov cocktail through your window and then what are you going to do? Too late to do much of anything at that point. Worst case you may end up having to stop, drop, and roll.

It's amazing to me how confused we seem to be about who the good guys are and who the bad guys are. Bad guys set things on fire. Good guys put fires out. Not complicated.

Better we shoot fifteen rioters dead than to let one car burn, eh? It is complicated, unless you think someone walking in the street next to someone who may or may not try to damage property deserves to die.

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I'm not at all convinced right now with the timeline and actions taken. Apparently somebody other than Rittenhouse fired a weapon. Did he fire it AT him? Assuming he did, it is still grossly irresponsible to return fire without checking background, let alone foreground. I can't find any corroboration for your claim that somebody tried to throw a gasoline bomb at Rittenhouse. And none of it explains what he was doing out there, and whether or not he was deliberately provoking the mob - as opposed to the stated idea that he was "defending property".

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General Comments / Re: Militia in the streets
« on: September 02, 2020, 12:56:25 AM »
Was he at the car dealership he was "defending" when shots got fired? It kind of looks like he was wandering around in a random street. I'm not saying one or the other, because I don't have a google map to find out if he was 20 ft or 2 miles from the spot he was trespassing on.

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We really don't know a lot about any of these people, or what they are like today. Nor does any of their background really matter, what matters were those 60 minutes. You could be a racist klan member and still be justified in self defense, and you can be a wife beating pedophile POS and still be an innocent victim.

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General Comments / Re: Militia in the streets
« on: September 01, 2020, 06:27:50 PM »
I don't know about outer state, but I definitely am against militia from outer space, which is how I read it the first time.

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General Comments / Re: covid-19 outside the US
« on: September 01, 2020, 11:44:58 AM »
Two weeks after my last Spain update, we have this.

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Over the last month, shops, beaches, bars and restaurants have all reopened, and the country began to welcome tourists again too. But recently the number of new cases has soared, and authorities have warned that a new nationwide lockdown could be implemented if this trend continues.

The majority of Spain’s regional authorities have reimposed requirements to wear face coverings at all times outdoors. In Catalonia, the regional government also urged its nearly three million residents to stay indoors as the area reported a surge of new cases.

Yeah, once again proving that letting things fly, even when you have flattened the curve to only a few hundred cases, works exactly like you would expect. Meanwhile, there is reason to believe the numbers are being cooked to make it look better.

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Since late April, the tally of confirmed cases includes data obtained from PCR diagnostic tests only, which caused a drop in the number of known infections, from around 220,000 to just over 200,000. In late May, Spain announced yet another way of collecting data, by counting a death based on when it occurred instead of when authorities were notified. As a result, the country’s death toll saw a drop of around 2,000 deaths.

Confused? Many people and news outlets have been too. Although authorities have argued that the new data collection system provides a better picture of the pandemic, Spanish news media have reported “incomprehensible figures” and the “thousands of casualties that suddenly disappeared from the series.”

Spain, like most countries, is only counting fatalities of those who have tested positive for coronavirus. The Madrid region and Catalonia, the country’s worst hit areas, have reported “confirmed or suspected” coronavirus deaths provided by funeral homes in daily updates, but those updated numbers are not included in the daily death tolls published by Spain’s health ministry. The regional numbers there include deaths in nursing homes and suggest that the death toll is far higher than reported so far.

Source: NYT

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General Comments / Re: RNC
« on: September 01, 2020, 10:40:15 AM »
How else are they supposed to bash DeBlasio with their positive message?

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General Comments / Re: Jacob Blake
« on: August 31, 2020, 07:07:51 PM »
Honestly, droids are the best answer. They don't have to worry about getting shot, just means some time in the shop. Knives? Don't be ridiculous. Putting handcuffs on? No problem, go go gadget handcuffs. Ever see Dr. Who try to fight a Dalek? And he was a Time Lord. Just don't let the real cops program them, or use machine learning based on observations of real cops or they'll be kneeling on necks in no time flat.

I'm not talking about the police eggs. Even though they do cost less than minimum wage to rent, they can't intervene. I'm talking about one of these babies. But maybe best they stay unarmed. Okay that one isn't real. But this one is. Tell me that bad boy couldn't grab a guy walking slowly around the front of a car.

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General Comments / Re: Jacob Blake
« on: August 31, 2020, 02:44:21 PM »
So more training for civilians, not police officers. Got it.

Meanwhile, deaf people get shot for not following instructions. Mentally ill people get shot. Developmentally disabled people get shot. Drunk people get shot. People on medication get shot. Some of whom have never even committed a crime. I guess that's all their fault too. Your advice isn't wrong, I follow it myself. If I'm getting stopped, I put my hands on top of the steering wheel and do nothing until the officer approaches. Back in the day, I would have gotten out my license and registration. Not any more.

Personally, I'd like to see a lot more unarmed combat training, so that cops don't have to resort to lethal force because somebody might or might not have a pocket knife in their pocket. I'd like to see cops taught how not to act belligerent. I'd like to see effective gun controls that could make it a lot less likely that cops are going to deal with armed suspects. Is it tragic that 48 officers were murdered doing their jobs last year? It is. Is it more tragic than shooting a kid with a toy gun, or a person defending their home during a no knock warrant, or blasting someone for brandishing a cell phone.

The bad guys are going to kill some good guys, that's a sad fact. Are the good guys really the good guys when they kill the innocent because the were fearful of the former?

I don't blame the police for this. I blame people like the one involved in this:
https://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/2020/8/30/21407345/chicago-police-officers-suspect-shot-homan-square-west-side-polk-spaulding

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Two Chicago cops were shot and the suspected gunman was wounded by police early Sunday after a traffic stop in the Homan Square neighborhood on the West Side.

The shooting happened at 2:33 a.m. in the 3300 block of West Polk Street after officers pulled over a vehicle that matched a description for an earlier call about a person driving around with a gun, according to Chicago police.

Well I guess that means that the cops are justified in doing whatever they want in every situation on the off chance that somebody might shoot at them? But this guy isn't the guy I'm talking about protecting. He was actually reported to be armed, he was confirmed to have a gun according to the report, and also acting strangely. He no longer deserves any benefit of the doubt. I would prefer that they'd find a way to get somebody to negotiate him out of the back seat instead of lunging at an armed man through the window, or blasting away through the window, but I wouldn't have had any strong feelings about it.

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General Comments / Re: Jacob Blake
« on: August 30, 2020, 08:59:03 PM »
So more training for civilians, not police officers. Got it.

Meanwhile, deaf people get shot for not following instructions. Mentally ill people get shot. Developmentally disabled people get shot. Drunk people get shot. People on medication get shot. Some of whom have never even committed a crime. I guess that's all their fault too. Your advice isn't wrong, I follow it myself. If I'm getting stopped, I put my hands on top of the steering wheel and do nothing until the officer approaches. Back in the day, I would have gotten out my license and registration. Not any more.

Personally, I'd like to see a lot more unarmed combat training, so that cops don't have to resort to lethal force because somebody might or might not have a pocket knife in their pocket. I'd like to see cops taught how not to act belligerent. I'd like to see effective gun controls that could make it a lot less likely that cops are going to deal with armed suspects. Is it tragic that 48 officers were murdered doing their jobs last year? It is. Is it more tragic than shooting a kid with a toy gun, or a person defending their home during a no knock warrant, or blasting someone for brandishing a cell phone.

The bad guys are going to kill some good guys, that's a sad fact. Are the good guys really the good guys when they kill the innocent because the were fearful of the former?

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General Comments / Re: Jacob Blake
« on: August 30, 2020, 04:37:48 PM »
I'm not calling any two situations identical. I'm calling into question the statements many make that suggest people deserve whatever they get if they don't comply instantly with cops.

Plenty of unarmed people have been shot for non compliance. Because they happened to be holding a cell phone, for instance. Or the unarmed guy running across a parking lot, or other many stories. It's a result of "assume everyone you encounter is armed and willing to use deadly force. It's a great way to ensure that the absolute minimum number of cops get injured or killed, at the expense of injuring or killing the maximum number of suspects.

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General Comments / Re: Jacob Blake
« on: August 30, 2020, 02:33:14 PM »
Ever see the show Cops? Yeah all those people who ran from the cops and resisted the cops deserved to die. That would be a lot of body bags.

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Of course he did, wmLambert.

What are you referring to?

As for the Hatch Act, where was it when Obama sent his reelection team to Israel to spend money and campaign against Netenyahu?

You mean the 100% legal use of grant money by an ngo supportive of Obama, as determined by a bipartisan comission?

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That use of government-funded resources for political purposes after the end of the grant period was permitted by the grant because the State Department failed to adequately guard against the risk that campaign resources could be repurposed in that manner or place limitations on the post-grant use of resources.

Which in any event would not have anything to do with the hatch act, which applies to us elections.

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General Comments / Re: Jacob Blake
« on: August 28, 2020, 03:34:14 PM »
See, that's the whole problem in my mind. Every possible threat is rounded UP to "the worst possible scenario". I was in fear for my life because a guy was rummaging around in his pocket - even though he could be getting a stick of gum or scratching himself. And he refused to obey the command, not "hey maybe the dude is deaf". Maybe, just maybe, it should be okay or *gasp* encouraged to allow for the benefit of the doubt just once in a while.

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General Comments / Re: Jacob Blake
« on: August 28, 2020, 03:02:06 PM »
Here's a fun example of how much filling people full of holes is encouraged.

Fired for not shooting

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Early in the morning of May 6, 2016, Weirton Police Officer Stephen Mader responded to a domestic dispute call. When he arrived on the scene, he encountered R.J. Williams, a young African American man. When Officer Mader asked Mr. Williams to show his hands, Mr. Williams revealed that he was holding a gun. As Mr. Williams began waiving his gun around, Officer Mader ordered him to drop his weapon. Mr. Williams ignored Officer Mader’s demand and repeatedly responded, “Just shoot me.”

Plea for suicide by cop.

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While Officer Mader was attempting to deescalate, two other officers arrived on the scene. At that point, Mr. Williams began to raise his gun. One of the newly-arrived officers shot and killed Mr. Williams.

When the officers approached Mr. Williams, they discovered that his gun was unloaded. Officer Mader’s deduction had turned out to be correct—R.J. Williams had not been a danger to anyone other than himself.

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A young African American man was tragically killed by law enforcement officers. A father, a brother, a son is dead. And we, as a society, have failed him like we have so many others. Sadly, this is a story that we have heard far too often in this country. But what makes this story different is that a few weeks after Mr. Williams’ death, the Weirton Police Department fired Officer Mader for not shooting and killing R.J. Williams.

Think he should have been fired for not going BLAM BLAM BLAM when he arrived on scene, and the guy is holding a firearm? Mythbusters would show he could have raised it and fired, after all.

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General Comments / Re: Jacob Blake
« on: August 28, 2020, 02:55:41 PM »
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The officer clearly was reacting on a combination of instinct and intuition, and the intuition was right, which was a good thing for that officer(and the driver). He correctly determined the driver was likely seeking a "suicide by cop" resolution, and either didn't want to escalate things further or couldn't. And that if he had wanted to escalate, the "gun" would have already been used. As such his role at that stage was to talk the guy down, which he did.

Do you think there is any metro cop in America who would not have shot him?

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The President, on his goals for a second term:

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But so I think, I think it would be, I think it would be very, very, I think we'd have a very, very solid, we would continue what we're doing, we'd solidify what we've done, and we have other things on our plate that we want to get done.

The idea that this guy is promoting his opponent as suffering from dementia would be hilarious, if not for the vast number of people who actually buy into it.

Actually, I buy into it. Not because of trump, but because of facts. Do we have a clip? Just like trump apologists say "he was joking", Biden apologists say "that's just a gaffe".

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General Comments / Re: Jacob Blake
« on: August 28, 2020, 08:35:45 AM »
I'm still waiting to hear why it was better to follow him with a gun drawn instead of tackling him on his slow walk.

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General Comments / Re: Jacob Blake
« on: August 27, 2020, 03:55:05 PM »
I'm not going to watch that, because it isn't relevant. Of course, depending on how close someone is, there is a dangerous perimeter to be inside. It is one of the reasons that walking around with concealed carry has limited value to prevent being mugged. So stay back further than that. Didn't care to address all the other points I made, I see.

contrast

This was a guy who just killed any number of people by plowing his van into them. He told the cop he had a gun. He walked toward the cop, who backed up. Result - not shot, taken into custody.

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Just a thought, can you send your ballot overnight via FedEx? FedEx warns that it may vary by state, and that they are wary of it. I'm not suggesting this should be necessary, and only limited numbers of citizens will know how to do this or want to pay for the service.

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Victim #2 has previously been covered,  but he also has a rap sheet, including battery and repeated instances of domestic abuse.

What on God's green earth does that have to do with anything?

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General Comments / Re: Jacob Blake
« on: August 27, 2020, 01:12:34 PM »
They sure did try to taze him. They also had him surrounded well away from a knife that happened to be on the floorboard, and lost control of him and watched him saunter to the other side of the car. Drawing weapons instead of tackling him. Your scenario was that he was going to go for his knife on the floorboard whip around and start stabbing away and that the cops would have not time to react to that? Does that seem likely to you at all? What if the cop stayed out of knife range, even with his gun drawn, and then shot him when he pops up with knife-murder in his eyes? Or even if he has a knife, wait to fire until he lunges at them?

The onus should be on the cops to avoid fatal outcomes, not on the suspect.

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Still sounds like quibbling to me. Blah blah blah, the smoking memo, winking and nodding of the Obama administration to skirt the letter of the law while flaunting the intent.

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Administration officials must walk a fine line, one that sometimes involves hairsplitting differences.

Hurling a personal insult at Mr. Trump from a White House lectern? Off limits. But Mr. Earnest can note the many ways in which Mr. Trump’s positions are at odds with the president’s.

Headlining a fund-raiser for Mrs. Clinton? No problem for a cabinet secretary, as long as the secretary does not use his or her official title or ask for contributions.

Sounds a lot to me just like "I'm doing this on my personal time."

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I don't know that much about it. Still learning. And it could be different state by state.

That's one of the big problems trying to have a national debate when there are 50 different systems. I don't think that's a bad thing, just makes it hard to generalize when to be truly educated in depth, you'd have to read A LOT, especially with dynamic covid related changes.

Overall, I accept that this opens the door to fraud and error. I'm willing to accept one fraudulent or erroneous vote per 1000 people who are able to cast their votes who are in risk pools particularly. Or if it avoids 1 person being severely ill because they were forced to the polls in person.

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In 2012, six cabinet secretaries addressed the Democratic National Convention in Charlotte: Secretary of Health and Human Services Kathleen Sebelius, Secretary of the Interior Ken Salazar, Secretary of Agriculture Tom Vilsack, Secretary of Education Arne Duncan, Secretary of Veterans Affairs Eric Shinseki, and Karen Mills, administrator of the U.S. Small Business Administration . . . which yes, was elevated to Cabinet-level in the Obama years.

I don't see the major problem here, but it should be open for debate and criticism.


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General Comments / Re: RNC
« on: August 26, 2020, 10:45:32 PM »
I'm very worried for all those great veterans packed in elbow to elbow watching Pence speak. He has surprised me not talking about God. What's up with that?

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General Comments / Re: RNC
« on: August 26, 2020, 10:28:33 PM »
Mike Pence up next. Drink every time he says God.

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General Comments / Re: covid-19 outside the US
« on: August 26, 2020, 10:26:52 PM »
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Days before schools are set to open in Britain, Prime Minister Boris Johnson said on Wednesday that it would be “clearly nonsensical” for students to wear face masks in class. “You can’t teach with face coverings, you can’t expect people to learn with face coverings. The most important thing is just to wash your hands,” Mr. Johnson said. In areas where local lockdowns are in place, students and staff members will be required to wear masks in communal areas with the exception of classrooms, where the government said “protective measures already mean the risks are lower.”

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General Comments / Re: RNC
« on: August 26, 2020, 10:14:18 PM »
Had to switch to the ABC feed because the RNC servers started choking with stutters and buffering. Probably they are using AWS and Bezos is f-ing with them?  ;D

I'm curious about the number of Congressional candidates (challengers) are getting speaking time. That move I do appreciate as pretty brilliant. They know Trump may not get a convention bump, but they may be passing it on to these candidates!

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I'm looking for this information on NY. I found the following:

https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/politics/2020/08/19/nyc-elections-2020-absentee-ballots-mail-in-voting-cuomo-to-allow-coronavirus

Say that they just allow everyone to request an absentee ballot for no reason. That is recent.

https://www.elections.ny.gov/VotingRegister.html

Still requiring a form, DMV # or last 4 ssn required.

So I assume that this is your example of protections? So where's the example where people can vote without registering?

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General Comments / RNC
« on: August 26, 2020, 09:28:38 PM »
Wow. The official RNC feed (can't stand watching any media outlet, they stomp on content. It was the same for DNC, BTW). They've got an unreadable fast scroll. Couldn't make out what it was, had to pause it, realized its a scroll of names and donations. I don't know whether it is cheezy or brilliant.

Land of Heroes so far is starting out heavy on abortion.

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Press wouldn't have anything to say if Clinton gave her speech in Bosnia, I'm sure. Wouldn't even mention it.  ::)

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General Comments / Re: Jacob Blake
« on: August 26, 2020, 09:07:14 PM »
Does it matter where the cops come from when "I feared for my safety." is a universally accepted get out of trouble card?

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Headlines suck. They are hardly intended any more to capture the essence of a story, but to scream at you to click on something! I don't know how many times I look at one and.... do exactly what they were designed to make me do. *click* - oh, that's not what they're saying at all.

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Might not work in Cincinatti

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4,000 people are waiting in line to vote in Cincinnati right now.

That was a half mile long. Now, let's add 6 ft of separation x 4000 people, brings you to about five miles total. But yeah, walking five miles shouldn't be a problem. And by the way, since they are going to have to wipe the machines down with each use (touchscreens, remember?), that is going to mean you'll be in the line longer, leading to more backups. Yes that's an extreme example - but a reason not to vote at the polls.

How about altercations between maskers and anti-maskers who are in line together? It's already happening in public markets indoors, but voting lines often stretch out the door. You know the anti-maskers will be particularly emboldened by that. And unlike a store, you won't be able to kick them off line, because that would very much be voter suppression.

Voting by mail can't be much worse than the millions of illegal votes already being cast by illegals and busses full of fraudulent voters though, right?

I wonder how all those dogs, cats, and gerbils are going to get registered to vote in the first place? In California they'll be needing a drivers license or state id, last four of a social security number. That's going to make for one awkward picture ID. You'll find a news story or two where sometimes only an SSN is necessary. That nobody validated the registration is the problem there. Apparently New Mexico is pretty bad.

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The Clerk's Office said the state doesn't require counties to verify social security numbers, dates of birth, or even names, although they do screen applications submitted by third-party groups before sending out voter registration cards.

Yeah, that's a problem. So watch out for New Mexico. Why don't you go ahead and see if you can register your pet and get back to us?

Maybe it will work out like this

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A Pacific Grove man said he registered his dead father and four dogs to vote so he could highlight voter fraud.

Now, after doing so, he faces three years's probation for committing voter registration fraud himself.

Richard Davis, 68, says he was so perturbed by national reports of voter fraud that he admits to falsely registering his golden retrievers and deceased father to vote.

"I was trying to do my patriotic duty and just bring awareness," said Davis.

Although registering the dogs didn't bring the authorities down on him -- though he called and told them exactly what he was doing -- registering his father did. He was slapped with a felony by the Monterey County District Attorney's Office in October 2018 and sentenced to probation Friday.

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Some of the Antifa terrorists shot people yesterday Kenosha

What makes you think it was Antifa?

Apparently a militia group called for armed protesters to show up last night.  What makes you think it wasn't one of them?

I think that's what Donald intended, to present another reversal, but it was a little cryptic for me. I had to look up the story - which actually doesn't specify who that individual was or why he was there. It does appear that the vigilantes are being given a free pass to be on the streets after curfew.

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Antifa is off track. I didn't say what if they formed a black bloc and tried to rush in to the government building with fireworks, bicycle locks, and molotov cocktails.

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As usual, you're comparing apples to oranges. Perhaps you didn't read past the retweeted headlines.

Gore:

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“When you say there were potentially some other moves,” he told Adler, “I researched them, and it turns out there’s no intermediate step between a final Supreme Court decision and violent revolution.”

But what if Trump declares the results illegitimate, Adler asked, and demands to stay on as president? Or does Gore believe the former reality star would concede defeat in the same spirit that he did?

“I don’t know,” Bill Clinton’s former vice president—these days a fit-looking, silver-haired 72-year-old mega-millionaire—answered with a mirthless chuckle. “But it’s important to say that it’s really not up to him. I hear people saying, ‘Well, would he accept that decision?’ Well, it doesn’t matter because it’s not up to him. Because at noon on January 20th, if a new president is elected… the police force, the Secret Service, the military, all of the executive branch officers, will respond to the command and the direction of the new president.”

He's being asked about whether Trump would concede once he had run out of legal options, as Gore himself did after the Supreme Court ruled. To which, he correctly answers that if Trump unconstitutionally refused to step aside, the military would fulfill their oath.

As for Hillary:

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Hillary Clinton issued a warning for Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden in a new interview released Tuesday, urging the former vice president to not concede defeat on the night of the Nov. 3 election — no matter the circumstances.

"Joe Biden should not concede under any circumstances," Clinton said. "Because I think this is going to drag out, and eventually, I do believe he will win, if we don't give an inch and if we are as focused and relentless as the other side is."

Clinton suggested the election will be "close," accusing Republicans of trying to tamper with the results by "messing up absentee balloting" to secure a narrow advantage in the Electoral College.

"We've got to have a massive legal operation," she said. "And I know the Biden campaign is working on that."

On the night of the election, he should not concede under any circumstances. Hardly controversial, since everyone is saying so due to large mail in volume.  And that the setting aside of ballots could be manipulated and that they should take legal means to determine if such tampering occurred.

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Oh, I forgot. Everyone sporting a BLM t-shirt is a violent Antifa terrorist.

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General Comments / Re: Jacob Blake
« on: August 26, 2020, 05:00:03 PM »
That said statistically this happens to black people with a higher probability so had Jacob been white the probability that the situation ended in the use of lethal force would be less. At least that's what the numbers tell us.   And its the numbers that suggest a systemic problem.

From memory in the past year there have multiple "officer involved shootings" in my own county in past year. One involved a tribal member(fun times that one), but the other occasions all involved white guys. Sounds about right for a town that is 90%+ white. I think one of them resulted in a death, but it was a white dude so...

Statistics break down on a sample set less than 40. That's just for starters. You've seen all the proper metro statistics, and I think we've collectively made most if not all of the arguments about them.

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But they were disobedient! Unarmed people who are disobedient are shot in the street, never mind about entering government property. These guys were told "you cannot enter this chamber" and they refused to follow orders. Then they were resisting as the door didn't break itself. The Republican speaker encouraged this disorder by letting them do whatever they wanted and withdrawing the cops.

Tell me you think that it would go down the same way if they were wearing BLM shirts leaving every other detail identical.

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General Comments / Re: Jacob Blake
« on: August 26, 2020, 04:11:21 PM »
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About a minute after the initial call, the dispatcher indicated that Blake was leaving the premises, and that the woman who had initially called had hung up.

Sounds like the reason for the call resolved itself prior to their arrival? So they continued on purely to make an arrest on the warrant? What the call doesn't say is that he was armed or being violent? I can't listen to the whole thing right now, and there is no transcript, but it is a good find.

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General Comments / Re: coronavirus
« on: August 26, 2020, 03:45:20 PM »
I think you mean "administration" not CDC. Reports, unsurprisingly, say they changed that guidance under pressure from the white house - the Orange God stated earlier that maybe we should test less so that our numbers go down. The fault of the CDC is acquiescing. They should stand up and force the administration to fire them one by one.

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General Comments / Re: coronavirus
« on: August 26, 2020, 02:26:46 PM »
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The US public health body, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), has quietly tweaked its testing guidance to say that people who've been in close contact with someone known to have Covid-19 now "do not necessarily" need to get tested.

Before, the CDC said anyone with recent or suspected exposure to the virus should be tested, even if they had no symptoms.

Now, the guidance says that in this situation "you do not necessarily need a test unless you are a vulnerable individual or your health care provider or state or local public health officials recommend you take one".

It comes as cases continue to fall in the US - a trend that experts say is at least partly due to a drop in the number of tests being carried out.

source:bbc

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Armed protesters commit vandalism and destruction of government property and the officers don't arrest anyone.

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protesters, some of them armed, shoved their way past state troopers
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the confrontation with state troopers, which resulted in the shattering of a glass door
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State Police personnel determined they could not have made arrests on the spot without elevating the potential for violence

https://www.npr.org/2020/08/25/905785548/unmasked-protesters-push-past-police-into-idaho-lawmakers-session

Whoops, not the Portland lawless mob. We can all relax, these are right wing protesters with guns storming a state legislature. Nothing to worry about.

Not obeying police orders?!! BLAM BLAM BLAM! Wait, no? Oh, you say they were white guys?

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