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Crunch

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Andrew Cuomo went full Clinton
« on: August 04, 2021, 04:16:36 PM »
No surprise to see that this topic is ignored here.

So yeah, Andrew Cuomo. Turns out, he's exactly what I thought he was. The AG has verified that Cuomo was groping and otherwise sexually harassing anything with a skirt that he could get his hands on. He went full Clinton, the only thing missing is a cigar.

Of course, many on the left are "distancing themselves" and condemning this but you all know what's going on. If Cuomo hangs on, applying the lesson of Northam, in another month this will be like it never happened. Everyone will just sit around and exclaim, "we don't like it but what can we do?"

Then, there's CNN. Through Cuomo's brother, CNN actively participated in the cover-up. If you ever thought CNN was a real news organization, this should be the final nail in the coffin.

fizz

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Re: Andrew Cuomo went full Clinton
« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2021, 04:52:06 AM »
First, one of the main difference between the left and the right is that when some scumbag on the left does this kind of things, the left *does* distance itself, and try to do something about it.
It's called having a moral standard.
It does not always work perfectly, what does in this world, but we try.
I veeery rarely see it on the right, for sure never about guys like Trump and his crowd.

Second, after mocking the left for their "circular firing squads", the term you used, it sound a bit hypocritical complaining about not immediately hanging everybody on your side as soon as they are accused.
Let's wait and see how things turns out.

Eh, like we say in Italy, words to the winds I'm afraid...

yossarian22c

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Re: Andrew Cuomo went full Clinton
« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2021, 08:41:17 AM »
I hope he gets impeached and removed.

msquared

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Re: Andrew Cuomo went full Clinton
« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2021, 08:46:31 AM »
It was just locker room talk.

rightleft22

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Re: Andrew Cuomo went full Clinton
« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2021, 09:50:43 AM »
You haven't shown any concern for such behavior when it involves members of your tribe so its difficult to take your concerns for Cuomo behavior as authentic. 

I don't think their is much debate here. I doubt anyone on this site approves of such behavior and don't expect the 'left' not to Cancel Cuomo regardless if Cuomo is ever convicted in court of law. 

Was this not that your standard. Someone (on the 'Right') could be a huge perv, say having sex with under age prostitutes.... but unless they are convicted in a court they are good to stay.  A person on the right should not leave due to allegations while someone on the left must be???? You don't have to worry about that the left tends to eat its own.  So what is your point?

TheDrake

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Re: Andrew Cuomo went full Clinton
« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2021, 10:23:57 AM »
Biden has called for Cuomo to resign. That's a lot different than "distancing" that we've seen others do in the past. Like "if the allegations are true, blah blah blah".

Notice that nobody on the left is calling Cuomo's accusers liars, or that the DA is participating in a "witch hunt"?

Others calling for him to resign outright:

Pelosi
Schumer
Gillibrand
Lamont
McKee
Murphy
Wolf
DeBlasio
Jeffries
Suozzi
Meeks
Latimer
Curran
Heastie

His Lt Gov, Hochul stopped just short of resignation, because she would stand to gain by becoming Governor.

I wonder if you can find even one Democrat defending Cuomo anywhere?

I'm not a defender of CNN, but these are their articles on the subject:

Andrew Cuomo indefensibly treats women like Don Draper did in 'Mad Men'
Andrew Cuomo's cringeworthy defense
Cuomo's political power no longer comes with impunity

So his brother didn't bring it up on one show on the network, well that proves how bad he is at his job and I expect CNN to fire him soon.

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Re: Andrew Cuomo went full Clinton
« Reply #6 on: August 05, 2021, 10:28:54 AM »
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So his brother didn't bring it up on one show on the network, well that proves how bad he is at his job and I expect CNN to fire him soon.

I think after their dog and pony show at the start of COVID CNN put some restraints on Cuomo covering his brother.

Crunch

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Re: Andrew Cuomo went full Clinton
« Reply #7 on: August 06, 2021, 09:52:49 AM »
First, one of the main difference between the left and the right is that when some scumbag on the left does this kind of things, the left *does* distance itself, and try to do something about it.
It's called having a moral standard.

Ralph Northam. Bill Clinton. Harvey Weinstein. Jeffrey Epstein. You and your moral standards....

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I veeery rarely see it on the right, for sure never about guys like Trump and his crowd.
That's because you only watch CNN.

Second, after mocking the left for their "circular firing squads", the term you used, it sound a bit hypocritical complaining about not immediately hanging everybody on your side as soon as they are accused.
Let's wait and see how things turns out.

The term I used? Please quote the post where I used that term. You can't because you got caught up making things up and it ran away from you. I never said "circular firing squads"
Eh, like we say in Italy, words to the winds I'm afraid...

Like we say in America, who gives a *censored* what they say in Italy?

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Re: Andrew Cuomo went full Clinton
« Reply #8 on: August 06, 2021, 09:58:09 AM »
Let see Clinton was impeached, Weinstein is in jail and facing further trials. Epstien was arrested and going to trial when he died.  Seems like they are getting brought to justice.

Wayward Son

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Re: Andrew Cuomo went full Clinton
« Reply #9 on: August 06, 2021, 03:30:36 PM »
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Ralph Northam. Bill Clinton. Harvey Weinstein. Jeffrey Epstein. You and your moral standards....

Dennis Hastert.  Roy Moore.  Blake Farenthold.  Mark Souder.  Donald J. Trump.  All men elected by Republicans.  One or two still worshipped by Republicans.  Practically all defended by Republicans.

Republicans don't get to talk about Democratic moral standards, either, Crunch.  :P

fizz

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Re: Andrew Cuomo went full Clinton
« Reply #10 on: August 06, 2021, 05:01:52 PM »
Ralph Northam. Bill Clinton. Harvey Weinstein. Jeffrey Epstein. You and your moral standards....
Never said there are no *censored* on the left, simply said the left tend to punish them much more.

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That's because you only watch CNN.
Nope, sorry, you're wrong. I don't watch CNN at all, and in general my news source are a tad more international.

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The term I used? Please quote the post where I used that term. You can't because you got caught up making things up and it ran away from you. I never said "circular firing squads"

This post about Jeffrey Epstein arrest down here:
Trump getting the left to line up in a circular firing squad is definitely to his credit. It’s amazing to see him accomplish this over and over again.

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Like we say in America, who gives a *censored* what they say in Italy?
I know, I know, it's for this reason you're so loved all around the world, shining city on the hill and all that.
Jokes apart, you proved the comment pinpoint precise, anyway... but heh, one tries, one tries.


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Re: Andrew Cuomo went full Clinton
« Reply #11 on: August 09, 2021, 08:31:13 AM »
Posted by: Crunch
« on: August 06, 2021, 09:52:49 AM
     The term I used? Please quote the post where I used that term. You can't because you got caught up making things up and it ran away from you. I never said "circular firing squads"

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The term I used? Please quote the post where I used that term. You can't because you got caught up making things up and it ran away from you. I never said "circular firing squads"

This post about Jeffrey Epstein arrest down here:
Quote from: Crunch on July 10, 2019, 01:42:41 PM
Trump getting the left to line up in a circular firing squad is definitely to his credit. It’s amazing to see him accomplish this over and over again.


Crunch, this would be the point where you show how mature you are and apologize.

Edgmatt, this is the kind of stuff we were talking about earlier with the track records of posters and taking anything they say with a huge grain of salt.

TheDrake

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Re: Andrew Cuomo went full Clinton
« Reply #12 on: August 09, 2021, 09:20:41 AM »
Old Brian, nice find. I remembered that phrase pretty clearly but couldn't locate it. I'm excited to find out how it's not supposed to matter, or not what he meant to say.

Wayward Son

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Re: Andrew Cuomo went full Clinton
« Reply #13 on: August 09, 2021, 11:41:33 AM »
Here's a link to Crunch's post using "circular firing squad," for anyone who doesn't want to search for it. :)

rightleft22

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Re: Andrew Cuomo went full Clinton
« Reply #14 on: August 09, 2021, 12:47:07 PM »
Not sure what Crunches concern is?
 Its not like he will ever apply the lefts standard on guilt as being valid for anyone in his tribe and he shouldn't be surprise that a left that loves to eat its own would also expect to use its 'standard' of guilt to eat everyone.

The left tendency towards the "progressive"  movement of 'guilty until doesn't matter if proven or not' works to the right advantage IMO
I get that its frustrating that the left attempt to hold the right to that foolishness is frustrating but I don't see the right giving into that standard at least not for those in their tribe. So why the righteous anger?

That said I also don't understand the right tendency towards 'innocent until doesn't matter if proven for those in my tribe' any better or making any more sense.

Both response to quilt are dangerous...  and not a real world that any of us want to live in. So what the hell are we doing???

 

yossarian22c

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Re: Andrew Cuomo went full Clinton
« Reply #15 on: August 09, 2021, 01:07:02 PM »
The left tendency towards the "progressive"  movement of 'guilty until doesn't matter if proven or not' works to the right advantage IMO
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Agree. That's why I didn't call for his impeachment until after his own AG (of the same political party) published a detailed report of him harassing or behaving inappropriately with 11 different women. 1 or 2 is a misunderstanding but when 11 women are willing to go on the record detailing his inappropriate behavior then it probably means he consistently behaves that way.

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Re: Andrew Cuomo went full Clinton
« Reply #16 on: August 09, 2021, 01:29:30 PM »
The left tendency towards the "progressive"  movement of 'guilty until doesn't matter if proven or not' works to the right advantage IMO
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Agree. That's why I didn't call for his impeachment until after his own AG (of the same political party) published a detailed report of him harassing or behaving inappropriately with 11 different women. 1 or 2 is a misunderstanding but when 11 women are willing to go on the record detailing his inappropriate behavior then it probably means he consistently behaves that way.

I have issue with 'Though James said Cuomo violated state and federal law, she said there would be no criminal referral from her office. Why not?

The right thing may be for Cuomo to step down still everyone deserves their day in court.
As yea judge so will you be judged.

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Re: Andrew Cuomo went full Clinton
« Reply #17 on: August 09, 2021, 01:40:24 PM »
The left tendency towards the "progressive"  movement of 'guilty until doesn't matter if proven or not' works to the right advantage IMO
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Agree. That's why I didn't call for his impeachment until after his own AG (of the same political party) published a detailed report of him harassing or behaving inappropriately with 11 different women. 1 or 2 is a misunderstanding but when 11 women are willing to go on the record detailing his inappropriate behavior then it probably means he consistently behaves that way.

I have issue with 'Though James said Cuomo violated state and federal law, she said there would be no criminal referral from her office. Why not?

The right thing may be for Cuomo to step down still everyone deserves their day in court.
As yea judge so will you be judged.

If 11 of my coworkers came forward and said those thing about me even if I hadn't violated any laws I would get fired. All of his actions are the type of harassment that qualifies as demeaning, insulting, or creating a hostile work place. Very few of his actions seem to rise to the extent of sexual assault or other criminal violations (not felonies anyway). He's just such a bad boss he deserves to be fired even if none of his actions were something he needs to be locked up for. Most of his aggressive flirting is probably off-putting even in a bar but unacceptable coming from the boss in a workplace.

rightleft22

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Re: Andrew Cuomo went full Clinton
« Reply #18 on: August 09, 2021, 02:33:44 PM »
To be clear I am not defending Cuomo but questioning process.

I assume the impeachment process is the method to which someone who holds office is fired.

If I was Cuomo I would run away even if I really felt I was innocent but I'm a coward.

Anyway I hate the politics of it. If HR/AG has grounds to initiate the process of firing/impeachment then that is what should happen AND If Cuomo committed a crime charge him.
That is not politics that is process. 
No need to comment beyond that.



Seriati

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Re: Andrew Cuomo went full Clinton
« Reply #19 on: August 09, 2021, 04:22:06 PM »
First, one of the main difference between the left and the right is that when some scumbag on the left does this kind of things, the left *does* distance itself, and try to do something about it.

Can you prove this claim?  I think it's a false claim.

I mean I can't count the times someone on the left stays in office until the media finishes its current cycle and the issue is forgotten.  When it's Republican, the media re-raises it in the next cycle and the next cycle and the next cycle.  I can see why that would make you think the left was dealing with an issue and the right was not.  But the reality is that once it drops from the current cycle the Democrat almost never is held to account, and while the Republicans may not be held to account as often as they should be its still more frequent.  I mean look at the example of Keith Ellison, elected as MN's AG despite a credible abuse allegation, the last news story that I see on it is dated as of the day after the election in 2018.  Was it a false claim?  Was it legitimate and ignored?  Ellison is a Democrat so the world may never know.  (By the way, there was an investigation during the election by the Democratic party that "cleared" him.  Can't imagine that being the last word on such a topic for any Republican)

It was also Republicans who VOTED to send a Democrat to the Senate in a deep red state, even though it cost them in so many ways, rather than send Roy Moore there; while at the same time it was the Democrats sent the Menendez back to the Senate with even worse accusations on the books rather than cost themselves in the same way.  Voting generally tells you how the broad base of the party acts and believes.

As far as the unforgiveable?  Why is Northam still the governor of VA? 

Cuomo should have been removed for falsifying the records they provided to the Feds in connection with their Coronovirus practices, for lying about his own policies and orders and ultimately for killing an awful lot of people with a policy that deliberately prioritized politics over safety.  You guys rant about DeSantis and yet you were in love with Cuomo while he was literally killing people (heck, you even blamed Trump for the deaths that Cuomo caused).

What happened to that story?  Did you really hold your team accountable?  No, you didn't, and it's not because you believed he pursued the correct policy.  You didn't make a good faith argument that he did the best he could, because whether you agreed with him at the time, you jump on the "I was always right" bandwagon after you see the results.  For politics you let that die rather than hold him accountable. 

Meanwhile, the same people that believed every random word anyone said about Kavanaugh ignored this Cuomo situation pretty completely, waiting to see if it would blow over before they committed.  The level of the accusations and the credibility on those accusations was an order of magnitude greater in Cuomo's case and yet, the story sat idle, barely covered for months.  The very first public accusations where in December of last year and they stated that it was a pattern of years of behavior witnessed by many.  The fact that the AG's report turned up so much corroboration is literally damning of NY's Democrat political establishment.  It raises this to the level of an "open secret."  There was no question about Cuomo's character, he has a broad reputation for grudge holding and destroying those that cross him, it was about political risk as he's also connected heavily all the way up to Biden (hard to remember the AG position was his for the asking weeks before the accusation came out).  Taking him down is not about character, it's about piling on now that Democrats see which way the wind is blowing.

Not to mention still a big pile of silence on Joe Biden's accusers.  Nor to mention the OPEN corruption involving his son, which at best is getting a lot of sideways nervous glances, with media reports in the softest tone imaginable that are just open entreaties for Joe to do something about Hunter before it hurts the left politically.  Not one scrap of moral standards there, just a big pretty please do something before it hurts us at the polls - and even then it's so soft because they're not sure whether they can just keep pretending it doesn't matter and get away with it.

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It's called having a moral standard.

It's called virtue signalling.  The only morality is to deny until it can't be denied then crucify.
 
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I veeery rarely see it on the right, for sure never about guys like Trump and his crowd.

You saw it, you just didn't agree with some of it and pretended you didn't see the rest. 

Or are you going to claim you've never heard of the Lincoln project and the never-Trumpers?  They literally advocated for, voted for and put a socialist administration into place while claiming to be conservatives protesting Trump.

As for the rest of us?  We refuted a heck of a lot of lies that were told about Trump, to the point where I can't even tell what you honestly believe were his "crimes." 

It's pretty clear its not sex related because you voted for a creepy toucher pedaphile grandpa to replace him.

It's not nepotism or corruption because you voted for one of the most blatantly corrupt administrations in history.

It's not lying or transparency because you put in place an administration that openly colludes with a media to sell narratives without any regard for truth or reality, and that has no problem with suppressing truth that they find isn't useful to their narrative.

It's not out of control spending, or bettering the lives of the working poor or minorities, it's certainly not protecting the border or following the rule of law (Biden flat out ignores the law), it's not personal freedom or protection of civil liberties, all of which are getting worse.

It's not to save you from COVID cause Trump's admin already did that even though the media had the audacity to lie about the coming of vaccines by "fact checking" as false in October that the vaccine was coming before year end (even though they knew it was).  It's not for spreading vaccine misinformation because, Biden, Harris and the left lied over and over again.

So what is it? 

Wayward Son

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Re: Andrew Cuomo went full Clinton
« Reply #20 on: August 09, 2021, 04:52:03 PM »
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I mean I can't count the times someone on the left stays in office until the media finishes its current cycle and the issue is forgotten.  When it's Republican, the media re-raises it in the next cycle and the next cycle and the next cycle.

Could you provide a couple of examples of this?  Maybe even a couple of examples where this didn't happen to a Democrat.

Because I really can't think, off-hand, of such a difference with accusations of similar magnitudes and amounts of evidence.

There was an accusation of Biden raping someone, in a public hall where anyone could have walked by and seen it.  That faded away due to lack of evidence and it being rather unlikely, if only because of Biden's age and the location.

Then there was the accusations against Trump of rape and unwanted touching.  These came up a few times, mainly when there was new evidence, updates to the court proceedings, or when the Justice Department was assigned the case of arguing that Trump wouldn't have touched that woman because she wasn't pretty enough (making it the official position of the United States at the time  ::) ). 

The two situations are not nearly the same.

So I hope you can illustrate the ones where there were significant differences in coverage for similar accusations.

TheDrake

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Re: Andrew Cuomo went full Clinton
« Reply #21 on: August 09, 2021, 05:13:52 PM »
Did you mean senator Franken, who mimed groping one person and was accused of forcing a stage kiss that was unnecessary and unwanted? At a time prior to taking office? Who resigned almost instantly?

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Re: Andrew Cuomo went full Clinton
« Reply #22 on: August 10, 2021, 12:24:20 PM »
And Cuomo is gone.  See Crunch, the left does eat their own. Or will you play this as something else?

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Re: Andrew Cuomo went full Clinton
« Reply #23 on: August 10, 2021, 12:37:15 PM »
And Cuomo is gone.  See Crunch, the left does eat their own. Or will you play this as something else?

He'll make out Cuomo as the ultimate villain that only got caught because he is Satan incarnate.

Or now that we have the resignation he'll go the other direction that Cuomo is the latest victim of cancel culture and the woke left is out of control persecuting people.

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Re: Andrew Cuomo went full Clinton
« Reply #24 on: August 10, 2021, 04:16:42 PM »
Lauren Boebert weighs in on Cuomo

https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/rep-lauren-boeberts-cuomo-zinger-190459111.html

Now if she would only hold the same standard to Gaetz and Trump.  Don't hold your breath.

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Re: Andrew Cuomo went full Clinton
« Reply #25 on: August 10, 2021, 04:34:04 PM »
I especially liked the part where the article mentioned that Boebert's husband plead guilty to exposing his junk to a teenage girl at a bowling alley.  I wonder what Crunch would think about that?  :D

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Re: Andrew Cuomo went full Clinton
« Reply #26 on: September 01, 2021, 10:47:26 PM »
Crunch, this would be the point where you show how mature you are and apologize.
Shown by omission rather than commission evidently, as they're very fond of distinguishing in some ethical circles.

"No surprise to see that this is ignored here," indeed.