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cherrypoptart

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What are some things that Biden gets right?
« on: September 24, 2021, 08:12:31 PM »
I don't want to constantly be the Debby downer on the guy so if he's doing something good I'll acknowledge it.

Further strengthening our "relations" with India is one thing that Biden is doing right, and it's interesting and kind of fun for Biden that both he and Harris have family relations with India. I'd like to see even greater cooperation and partnership with India going forward and Biden seems like a good guy to get that done. Economically, militarily, and politically the country of India seems to align well with our own so to see the foundations of our mutual friendship deepened is very heartening.

https://news.yahoo.com/biden-discusses-indian-bidens-modi-175109916.html
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Re: What are some things that Biden gets right?
« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2021, 11:57:09 PM »
Well, he's basically just continuing the Trump Admin's foreign policy as it relates to the Indo-Pacific at present, and that seems to be despite efforts on his part to try to change course on parts of it. China won't have it, which is to their own peril.

They think they're wearing the pants in the US/China relationship. They're failing to realize that China is disposable from the American side of things. It'd be painful, but very possible for the US to do. Many American companies would be happy to see an end to China's product dumping in our market. (Although consumers may not be happy about the price increases)

But as bad as the US being cut off from trade with China would be for the United States, it would be worse for China's export driven economy. With that in mind, the only way things get "completely severed" in such a scenario is if someone starts a war. In which case it won't be just the US dealing with the economic trauma of that trade relationship suddenly ending.

Thankfully, it seems Elon Musk wants to channel William Knudsen. Hopefully we never have to make use of his skillset in a comparable way.

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Re: What are some things that Biden gets right?
« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2021, 01:31:56 PM »
While the US will certainly fare better than China (i.e. the losers of any political fallout are unlikely to end up dead or in jail and will have a functional national economy afterwards) I'm skeptical it will do particularly well. The current strategy for surviving an economic catastrophe is massive government intervention and the political will to do it might not exist. I feel like "let the supply chain and financial industry collapse" is going to be the motto of the Trump wing of the GOP. Which means things could get *really* interesting.

But it probably won't result in complete anarchy in the US.

wmLambert

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Re: What are some things that Biden gets right?
« Reply #3 on: November 03, 2021, 05:37:15 PM »
Hmmm... Three posts about one thing that Biden has done right - and that one was stealing from Trump.

Face it. Biden is incompetent and the Dems are looking to get away from him.

cherrypoptart

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Re: What are some things that Biden gets right?
« Reply #4 on: November 03, 2021, 07:30:38 PM »
Gotta admit when trying to come up with things Biden gets right the pickings are terribly slim.

Greg Davidson

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Re: What are some things that Biden gets right?
« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2021, 10:56:02 PM »
Went from one of the world's worst responses to COVID to one of the best in terms vaccine availability (don't blame him for the Republican irrationality that's led to another hundred thousand unnecessary deaths and harm to the economy)
Child poverty cut in half.
Got out of Afghanistan (with a loss of American life approximately equal to the unnecessary death toll that occurred every 15 minutes during the last half year of Trump COVID mismanagement)
Rejoined the Paris Climate Agreement
Making progress on restoration of the Iran Deal
Stronger economic growth per month than the monthly average under Trump, even under COVID conditions
« Last Edit: November 04, 2021, 10:58:20 PM by Greg Davidson »

wmLambert

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Re: What are some things that Biden gets right?
« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2021, 12:33:02 PM »
Went from one of the world's worst responses to COVID to one of the best in terms vaccine availability (don't blame him for the Republican irrationality that's led to another hundred thousand unnecessary deaths and harm to the economy)
Child poverty cut in half.
Got out of Afghanistan (with a loss of American life approximately equal to the unnecessary death toll that occurred every 15 minutes during the last half year of Trump COVID mismanagement)
Rejoined the Paris Climate Agreement
Making progress on restoration of the Iran Deal
Stronger economic growth per month than the monthly average under Trump, even under COVID conditions
Still no positive results from Biden. The things mentioned here are moot. The whole Covid disinformation about what happenned during Trump's time and Biden's is laughable. The Paris and Iran deals are negative events.

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Re: What are some things that Biden gets right?
« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2021, 09:57:07 AM »
He got an Infrastructure bill passed. 4 years of Trump saying he is going to do it and he never does. He never works a deal.  Biden does months of negotiating and gets a bill. That is how you make a deal.
Trump did not have the attention span to work a deal like this. I know Biden did not do most of the leg work but he had to be behind the drive. Trump, for all of his platitudes, never wanted a deal and never really tried to negotiate a deal. Not a real deal.

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Re: What are some things that Biden gets right?
« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2021, 02:58:00 PM »
A bi-partisan infrastructure bill.

More jobs created in ten months in office than Trump created in four years.

Stock market at record levels.

Greg Davidson

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Re: What are some things that Biden gets right?
« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2021, 04:33:59 PM »
The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office predicted in February 2021 that it would take until 2023 to get down to 4.6% unemployment, and ten months into the Biden Administration we have already gotten there.

Sort of like how Biden promised that there'd be 100,000,000 shots-in-arms in his first hundred days and wound up delivering over 200,000,000 in that time.

Waiting to hear from cherry "if he's doing something good I'll acknowledge it" poptart

cherrypoptart

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Re: What are some things that Biden gets right?
« Reply #10 on: November 06, 2021, 07:22:58 PM »
I think I'm with wmLambert that a lot of that is negative especially the Iran and Paris deals.

I'll have to look into the infrastructure bill more and I'll keep an open mind on that until I do.

I've seen stories that mention the unemployment rate is so low mainly because so many people completely dropped out of the workforce, the great resignation as they call it, and so those people don't count for anything anymore.

The vaccine progress is very good but for one thing Trump should get a lot of credit for that and for another if it came at the price of Biden's great and foolish unmasking in order to encourage vaccinations by exposing as many people as possible to the delta variant and killing hundreds of thousands of them then it was a net negative. A slower vaccination rate and keeping the masks on worked much better for Japan even with delta and it would have worked much better for us than what Biden did.

Stock market at record levels is interesting. Didn't that happen under Trump too? And weren't we told that it mostly favored the fat cats while leaving out a vast swath of Americans who not only don't have much in the stock market but more than 60% of whom apparently couldn't cover a $1000 emergency? I would have to know specifically what Biden did that helped buoy the stock market. Is it rising because of Biden or in spite of him? I do see Biden talking about the supply chain but he didn't make much sense because while he talked about the effects of the pandemic on foreign suppliers we all see stacks of containers waiting for our own people to get sorted. Oil stocks are way up and so are pharmaceuticals so does that mean we are being gouged because of Biden's energy policies and the pandemic?

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Re: What are some things that Biden gets right?
« Reply #11 on: November 06, 2021, 07:27:46 PM »
Why specifically should Trump get credit for the vaccination program? Don't send us a quote, state specific reasons clearly and succinctly. In the last 42 days of the Trump Administration when 30 million doses were available, only 13 million shots got in arms. In the next 100 days under Biden, over 200 million shots got into arms. Please be specific as to why you believe Trump gets a lot of credit.

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Re: What are some things that Biden gets right?
« Reply #12 on: November 07, 2021, 12:24:12 AM »
Warp Speed.

And interestingly when you Google it you have to go three pages deep before, in the midst of a pandemic, you see any mention of it since it's something nice about Trump.

https://www.statnews.com/2020/09/28/operation-warp-speed-vast-military-involvement/

"Operation Warp Speed’s central goal is to develop, produce, and distribute 300 million doses of a coronavirus vaccine by January — and the military is intimately involved, according to Paul Mango, HHS’ deputy chief of staff for policy. It has already helped prop up more than two dozen vaccine manufacturing facilities — flying in equipment and raw materials from all over the world. It has also set up significant cybersecurity and physical security operations to ensure an eventual vaccine is guarded very closely from “state actors who don’t want us to be successful in this,” he said, adding that many of the Warp Speed discussions take place in protected rooms used to discuss classified information."


I almost want to give Biden some props for not messing the vaccine rollout up too badly except apparently just to prove Obama right about never underestimating Joe's ability to mess things up, Biden messed things up royally with the whole mask issue just to push the vaccines when Japan is still showing us the proof that masks are more effective than vaccines even against delta. Sure the Republicans aren't helping on masks but then Biden in an unforced error joined them in their deadly folly.

Greg Davidson

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Re: What are some things that Biden gets right?
« Reply #13 on: November 07, 2021, 05:32:04 PM »
Right, cherry, even your flawed source said "Operation Warp Speed’s central goal is to develop, produce, and distribute 300 million doses of a coronavirus vaccine by January," and so you probably should acknowledge that the central goal failed enormously (as well as being a shockingly ignorant goal, as focusing on vaccine production without paying similar attention to distribution is negligence).

That being said, the first vaccine authorized in the US was Pfizer, which was not funded by Operation Warp Speed.

So Warp Speed got only Moderna's fraction of the 13 million shots in arms by the Trump Administration (not the Pfizer vaccines), and the US only had 39 million doses of Moderna plus Pfizer when Trump left office.

Why did Trump only get 13 million shots in arms in 42 days while Biden got over 200 million in the next hundred days?  It's not that Biden executed the Trump playbook, as Trump was negligently ignoring the central issue of vaccinating Americans so he could incite insurrection.
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wmLambert

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Re: What are some things that Biden gets right?
« Reply #14 on: November 08, 2021, 06:09:24 PM »
Right, cherry, even your flawed source said "Operation Warp Speed’s central goal is to develop, produce, and distribute 300 million doses of a coronavirus vaccine by January," and so you probably should acknowledge that the central goal failed enormously (as well as being a shockingly ignorant goal, as focusing on vaccine production without paying similar attention to distribution is negligence).

That being said, the first vaccine authorized in the US was Pfizer, which was not funded by Operation Warp Speed.

So Warp Speed got only Moderna's fraction of the 13 million shots in arms by the Trump Administration (not the Pfizer vaccines), and the US only had 39 million doses of Moderna plus Pfizer when Trump left office.

Why did Trump only get 13 million shots in arms in 42 days while Biden got over 200 million in the next hundred days?  It's not that Biden executed the Trump playbook, as Trump was negligently ignoring the central issue of vaccinating Americans so he could incite insurrection.

Wow. This post must be written tongue-in-cheek, since no one can actually believe the disinformation.

Thanks to Trump, we had vaccines, and thanks to Trump, we had the military S-4's orchestrating the delivery systems. If Hillary had won and had vaccines available, she would probably have shipped all the vaccines to County Health Clinics for distribution, ruining millions of dosages because there would be no storage facilities. Biden did nothing with vaccines except say he wouldn't take anything released under the Trump Warp Speed auspices. He did everything he could to destroy any immunizations until he was elected - then he took over from Trump and claimed it was all his ideas. Biden is not the target of FJB chants because Trump did anything. The people have judged Biden and found him incompetent and dangerous. Biden sold out to China, and other countries to enrich his crime family. The Democrats have seized the DOJ and staffed it with Swamp creatures who should be in prison today. There is no logic behind any support for Biden. How could he shut down the Keystone Project, Alaskan drilling, and Fracking and then encourage the Russian pipeline? How can he ignore science that says global warming is good because it is good for growing crops? There is no downside, except in the usurpation of unearned power.

BTW, if you actually believe 300 million doses of vaccine should have been delivered before it was ready, then Biden is certainly your patron saint. Since all of the Democrats said it would take three to five years for research to make vaccines, just where is your integrity?
« Last Edit: November 08, 2021, 06:11:55 PM by wmLambert »

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Re: What are some things that Biden gets right?
« Reply #15 on: November 09, 2021, 06:58:46 PM »
Lemme get this straight.

You talk about what Hillary never did to prove that Trump did a good job.  ???

And then you criticize the Democrats for lack of integrity.  ;D

And before you post, please remember one small thing:  you sources are completely and utterly full of sh*t.  Just about everything they tell you are lies.

This is what I can't understand about conservatives like you.  You are extremely skeptic of what the Mainstream Media says.  And you should be; they are imperfect and biased, and everything they say should be taken with a grain of salt until verified.  It's good to be skeptical.  It helps keep you from repeating obvious lies.

But then you turn around and give credence to these cretin who fill you with lies, half-truth, disinformation and other propaganda that even the most cursory fact-check would show are untrue, and you swallow them without a second glance.  Have you looked for the database for those missing voters in the Election Results thread yet?  Of course not, because when you found it you would doubtlessly find why that database can't be trusted to identify missing voters.  AND YOU DON'T WANT TO KNOW, DO YOU?  If I could show you that even one of your so-called "facts" is untrue, would you want to know that?  Would you?

It's one thing to give a bit more credence to positions that you favor.  We all do that.  It's another to believe every outrageous untruth out there because it fits what you'd like to believe. That just shows utter laziness and a contempt for reality and the truth.

I know, you're going to believe what you want to believe.  And you're going to think that everyone who disagrees is the fool.  But just remember: if you don't care about the truth, no one will care what you say.

wmLambert

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Re: What are some things that Biden gets right?
« Reply #16 on: November 10, 2021, 12:38:35 AM »
Lemme get this straight....you sources are completely and utterly full of sh*t ...

I'm only skeptical of the Main stream media when it fails to report the news, which you know is true.

I've asked, and not gotten an explanation of Hunter Biden's laptop and all the proven felonies witnessed of the Biden crime family. Where is the coverage? You may quote the odd statement claiming irrelevancy - but never the confirmed crimes that are not reported.

I actually look for the news as it is made. Most of the time, the news is ignored if it reflects bad on the Democrats. Still waiting on the explanation of the non-existent water main break that cleared the counting room.

Don't make this about me. Make it about why the news is ignored.
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Re: What are some things that Biden gets right?
« Reply #17 on: November 10, 2021, 08:21:32 AM »
Maybe it gets swept under the rug. Maybe it is not the crime you think it is. Maybe you have been misled by others who you trust. Maybe your view of Democrats skews your view of things.  When the other side says Trump has committed obvious crimes you ignore them just as they ignore it when you say Hunter and he Biden crime family (implying mafia connections). But when other say the same thing about the Trump crime family you defend them as if they were the second coming of Jesus Christ and were incapable of committing any crime what so ever, no matter what the evidence.

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Re: What are some things that Biden gets right?
« Reply #18 on: November 10, 2021, 08:37:25 AM »
Lemme get this straight....you sources are completely and utterly full of sh*t ...

I'm only skeptical of the Main stream media when it fails to report the news, which you know is true.

I've asked, and not gotten an explanation of Hunter Biden's laptop and all the proven felonies witnessed of the Biden crime family. Where is the coverage? You may quote the odd statement claiming irrelevancy - but never the confirmed crimes that are not reported.

I actually look for the news as it is made. Most of the time, the news is ignored if it reflects bad on the Democrats. Still waiting on the explanation of the non-existent water main break that cleared the counting room.

Don't make this about me. Make it about why the news is ignored.

The fact that you reject the explanations for those stories doesn't mean they are unexplained.

wmLambert

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Re: What are some things that Biden gets right?
« Reply #19 on: November 10, 2021, 07:53:20 PM »
...The fact that you reject the explanations for those stories doesn't mean they are unexplained.

No. I don't object to explanations. What is objectionable is non-coverage. Water main break? Hunter's laptop? Bobulinski?
Why are twenty minute interviews paraphrased and given 15 seconds on the complicit media - and the whole thing only covered on C-Span, Fox News, Newsmax, or OANN? The reason I pick up on disinformation is because I see the real deal and not just the 15-second pejorative paraphrase.

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Re: What are some things that Biden gets right?
« Reply #20 on: November 11, 2021, 12:43:09 PM »
Hey could you recover my child porn on my laptop?

In what universe does that seem like a credible story to you?

Read nyt, Washington Post, and bbc if you need further clarification. They covered it. And they ended it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/10/14/hunter-bidens-alleged-laptop-an-explainer/

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Re: What are some things that Biden gets right?
« Reply #21 on: November 15, 2021, 06:46:38 PM »
1. He hasn't lied about election results. 

2. Hasn't fomented a hit mob against his own Vice President or Congress.

3. Hasn't altered hurricane prediction maps with a sharpie.


That's about it.  He was elected because he wasn't L'Orange.  At this he has been pretty successful.  He probably wouldn't have won if he had run against anyone else and he's pretty much looking like a one term President unless The Perfect Caller runs again.  Everything else he's done hasn't exactly been stellar.  We'll see how infrastructure goes.

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Re: What are some things that Biden gets right?
« Reply #22 on: November 22, 2021, 09:31:28 PM »
Everything Trump did was stellar. It is ridiculous to quote disinformation that is proven wrong and claim the truth is what is wrong. Project Warp Speed is one thing - but his prompt action to stop wholesale immigration from affected areas was fought by almost all Democrats as Xenophobic. When Soros and Gates bought the Wuhan lab and invited Fauci's gain of function company to create biologic weapons for the Chinese generals, you probably missed the news about that. I didn't. Why didn't you find out that Soros and Gates were part of it? Did you see the statement from the Chinese General in 2014 that said they were moving on bio-weapons research? If you weren't right on it, the general was vanished by the PRC and the media ignored it. That was the year Fauci's group was outlawed in the USA and then went to Wuhan. How did you miss that?

Then again, you believe Global Warming is bad, when science says it is good because warmer climate means more food can be grown. It is the oncoming ice age that should be feared. China is acting on it and buying property along the equator. Bobulinsky testified that Joe Biden was in his meeting to get illegal funding for his crime family. The FBI was investigating Hunter's laptop when Biden lied about it. Where is the outrage? That was an important fact that Trump was correct on - and would have affected the election had the media actually covered it. Forget pretending one can pick up misinformation from the only networks that cover important issues. How can you claim superior knowledge when your knowledge comes from 15 second paraphrases that miss the pertinent information?

Yeah, run your searches looking for the end results you want to believe and ignore truth because it doesn't fit your interests.

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Re: What are some things that Biden gets right?
« Reply #23 on: November 23, 2021, 11:20:59 AM »
Wm

don't hurt your arm patting him on the back. Your religious support of him makes Trump seem like the second coming of the Christ.

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Re: What are some things that Biden gets right?
« Reply #24 on: November 23, 2021, 12:33:49 PM »
He did it for the lulz.

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"Everything I’m saying is corroborated by emails, WhatsApp chats, agreements, documents and other evidence," he told reporters gathered Oct. 22, before gesturing to three phones that he claimed contained incriminating evidence and said he would hand over to authorities.

Bobulinski provided some of his records to outlets like Fox News and the Wall Street Journal. Both reported that they do not show Joe Biden had business dealings with SinoHawk Holdings or took money from the Chinese company.

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Re: What are some things that Biden gets right?
« Reply #25 on: November 23, 2021, 12:58:59 PM »
Biden's renomination of Powell as Fed Chair was a good move compared to the possible disaster America would have faced if he'd chosen based on wokeness as AOC and Warren apparently would have preferred. Certainly Powell can be criticized as anyone in his position could be but sacrificing our economy on the alter of political correctness is the wrong move right now, and pretty much ever.

https://www.nbcnews.com/business/economy/biden-nominates-jerome-powell-second-term-federal-reserve-rcna4696

"While Fed nominees are confirmed by the Senate, five progressive members of the House, led by Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y, issued a statement in August agitating for a new Fed chair. “We urge President Biden to re-imagine a Federal Reserve focused on eliminating climate risk and advancing racial and economic justice,” the statement read, in part.

In the Senate, Elizabeth Warren, D.-Mass., emerged as the most high-profile Powell foe. She blasted the Fed chair at a hearing in October, calling him a “dangerous man to head up the Fed.” Warren was also the only member of the Senate Banking Committee to vote against Powell’s nomination in 2017."


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Re: What are some things that Biden gets right?
« Reply #26 on: November 23, 2021, 01:43:49 PM »
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It is ridiculous to quote disinformation that is proven wrong and claim the truth is what is wrong

If only you could see the irony of you making such a statement.
Perhaps you and those that "reason" as you do are the new Elitist of this time and we should all bow to your ability  to parse information and know the truth.

As the Elite we shouldn't pay attention to what you have to say... isn't that the new rules of the times. You can't trust people who study and know things.

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Re: What are some things that Biden gets right?
« Reply #27 on: August 03, 2022, 01:00:06 AM »
https://apnews.com/article/al-qaida-biden-ayman-zawahri-covid-health-595c6bda6d17fdd0c1c936137fe1e7c6

So this is something Biden gets right coupled with something he got wrong.

It's right that he took out an Al Qaeda leader or maybe even the leader of Al Qaeda. It's good that Biden didn't inform the Taliban about his plans too.

But there's obviously a but coming which is that "A further 36 hours of intelligence analysis would follow before U.S. officials began sharing that al-Zawahri was killed, as they watched the Haqqani Taliban network restrict access to the safe house and relocate the dead al-Qaida leader’s family. U.S. officials interpreted that as the Taliban trying to conceal the fact they had harbored al-Zawahri."

Meaning that Biden kept our end of the deal Trump apparently made to hand over Afghanistan to the Taliban under the conditions that they wouldn't shoot us in the butt as we ran for the exit and the Taliban wouldn't provide a safe haven for terrorists like al Qaeda and ISIS. Biden was wrong to think the Taliban would abide by that agreement and he was wrong to abandon Afghanistan if he knew that they wouldn't. Mind you, this isn't the Taliban fighting the good fight but failing like we did to control al Qaeda. This is the Taliban full on cooperating with them just like the government of Pakistan. Just another example of a massive Biden failure touted by the media as a brilliant success.

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Re: What are some things that Biden gets right?
« Reply #28 on: August 03, 2022, 07:29:52 AM »
Afghanistan is the Kobayashi Maru. There is no "win" to be had. Both Trump and Biden actually realized this. To win militarily, you'd have to commit genocide because you'd never win the population, 20 years of trying followed by the return of the Taliban demonstrates that. Of course if you did take a "kill them all strategy" you would just become an even bigger pariah than Russia.

Wasn't the stalemate better, you might ask? Even if it was going to be perpetual? Well, that cost 300 million dollars per day. Hardship for a bunch of Americans deployed to a country that wanted to murder them, even if they weren't in active combat roles. They're still away from their family.

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« Reply #29 on: August 03, 2022, 10:32:42 AM »
We still have to see what happens. If we get hit by another major terrorist attack like on the scale of 9-11 because we let al Qaeda regain its power, it may turn out that it was better to stay in terms of American lives and money saved. To be sure, the money is a big deal though. We are so far in debt right now that if there wasn't massive cost sharing agreed to by the Afghan government, then there's no way we should have stayed, and I realize they can't afford it so it would mean letting us develop their mineral resources to cost share the military burden as we share the mining profits. Those rare Earth metals look like they're going to China now instead to help fund the government of the Taliban which is cooperating with al Qaeda. I'm looking at the costs of staying in Germany, South Korea, and Japan, and those are quite significant too. Those countries share the costs and if they refused we would no longer be there. The Philippines went that route though the issue wasn't costs so much as real independence. Having us in these countries is a mixed blessing for the hosts too at best, or a mixed curse. I wonder how the Filipinos feel about their decision and how it worked out. They haven't invited us back yet so that's some indication that they're okay with it. The Afghan government differed from the Philippines and Iraq though in that it seems like they didn't want us to abandon them, at least not so fast.

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Re: What are some things that Biden gets right?
« Reply #30 on: August 03, 2022, 01:13:26 PM »
Of course many of the government officials didn't want us to leave, they were wallowing in corrupt cash. You are right, it is hard to predict the future. Your solution doesn't work because it is rank colonialism. We'll take your natural resources while we are in de-facto occupation of your country.

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Re: What are some things that Biden gets right?
« Reply #31 on: August 03, 2022, 09:09:50 PM »
Afghanistan is the Kobayashi Maru. There is no "win" to be had. Both Trump and Biden actually realized this. To win militarily, you'd have to commit genocide because you'd never win the population, 20 years of trying followed by the return of the Taliban demonstrates that. Of course if you did take a "kill them all strategy" you would just become an even bigger pariah than Russia.

Wasn't the stalemate better, you might ask? Even if it was going to be perpetual? Well, that cost 300 million dollars per day. Hardship for a bunch of Americans deployed to a country that wanted to murder them, even if they weren't in active combat roles. They're still away from their family.

No one is saying that. Trump's and Biden's plans of withdrawal were greatly different. No one knows why Biden decided the timing he did, and the order of withdrawal. Trump told us he wanted to end the US endless wars, but also planned for logical disengagement. There was no reason to abandon a billion dollars of top-class military materiel. Obama's funding of Iran's terrorist sponsorship in the dead of night was terrible, but a fraction of what Biden allowed to happen. Those who apologize for Biden say there is no way Trump would have done better. But I think we all know better. The military base would have been the last place abandoned - not the first - and the stores of weapons and supplies would have never been abandoned to terrorists. It is hard to imagine Trump would have abandoned the Afghan government to the Taliban. He had the Taliban sequestered and away from power. He was proud of eradicating terrorists - not in giving them rebirth.

The  Kobayashi Maru was a trick set up by Spock to show the impotency of always winning. I think Trump and Kirk enjoyed the same mindset. You should put winning ahead of easy.

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Re: What are some things that Biden gets right?
« Reply #32 on: August 03, 2022, 09:29:26 PM »
The  Kobayashi Maru was a trick set up by Spock to show the impotency of always winning. I think Trump and Kirk enjoyed the same mindset. You should put winning ahead of easy.

No, no, Trek 2009 isn't canonical! (Not if I have anything to say about it)

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« Reply #33 on: August 03, 2022, 10:13:49 PM »
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It is hard to imagine Trump would have abandoned the Afghan government to the Taliban.
It's odd that he did, then.

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« Reply #34 on: August 04, 2022, 07:34:40 AM »
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You should put winning ahead of easy.

Or legal.  Just ask Trump.

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« Reply #35 on: August 04, 2022, 09:30:29 AM »
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I think Trump and Kirk enjoyed the same mindset.

Didn't think you'd ever admit that Trump cheats to win.

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Re: What are some things that Biden gets right?
« Reply #36 on: August 04, 2022, 09:35:30 AM »
Remember what Jesus said, to defeat the evil liberals the Ends Justify the Means.

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Re: What are some things that Biden gets right?
« Reply #37 on: August 04, 2022, 12:35:18 PM »
Gas prices? Locally regular unleaded is below $3.90/gal and crude is below $90/barrel right now. Still on the high end but much closer to normal.

If this keeps up and we get positive GDP growth for Q3, what will the Republicans do to sabotage Biden? Maybe another Gov shut down.

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Re: What are some things that Biden gets right?
« Reply #38 on: August 04, 2022, 02:38:28 PM »
Remember what Jesus said, to defeat the evil liberals the Ends Justify the Means.

I'm not sure that is what Jesus said. Maybe he did, but not in any Bible version. The closest is Matthew 6:25–33.

The law of God, as seen in the Bible, is clear about what is moral and immoral. And since even people who have never encountered the law know generally what is moral and immoral, we can assume that the Bible is simply describing a law that exists already in the human heart, rather than arbitrarily saying "this is good" or "this is bad." We all know right from wrong. That doesn't mean, of course, we are capable of always doing what is right. There are always motivations to do what is wrong, in order to gain something. Here we see why the philosophy "the ends justify the means" sprang into existence. It gives us an excuse to do something we know is not right

Pointedly, the usage of this is part of the Democrat mantra - not the GOP. I could quote scores of Dem leaders who follow TEJTM. It is similar to "Never letting a good crisis go to waste." The Democrat foundation is Immiseration and Global Immiseration from Marx and Engels, and the ideas of Cloward and Pivens. All of this to grant license for lies and deceit.

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Re: What are some things that Biden gets right?
« Reply #39 on: August 04, 2022, 02:58:58 PM »
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The law of God, as seen in the Bible, is clear about what is moral and immoral. And since even people who have never encountered the law know generally what is moral and immoral, we can assume that the Bible is simply describing a law that exists already in the human heart...
Man, this is literally Jordan Peterson-level reasoning. Do better, man.

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Re: What are some things that Biden gets right?
« Reply #40 on: August 04, 2022, 04:09:53 PM »
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The law of God, as seen in the Bible, is clear about what is moral and immoral. And since even people who have never encountered the law know generally what is moral and immoral, we can assume that the Bible is simply describing a law that exists already in the human heart, rather than arbitrarily saying "this is good" or "this is bad."

Just because some of "the law" agrees with what we instinctually know does not imply that all of "the law" does.

Because, instinctually, I know that some of the Old Testament laws are just plain silly. :D

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Re: What are some things that Biden gets right?
« Reply #41 on: August 04, 2022, 04:43:54 PM »
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The law of God, as seen in the Bible, is clear about what is moral and immoral.
??? Actually did a spit take lol - Only by those who consider themselves the righteous.  Clarity is not something the bible is know for (nor is it meant to be)

Interesting how many equate the eating from "the tree of the knowledge of good and evil" as the same as knowledge of what is good and evil. Shirley they are the same thing. They are not and don't call me Shirley.

The tension between knowledge that something may be good and something evil while not knowing with certainty what is good and what is evil creates consciousness. It consciousness that throws us out of the garden. What is known to be good one moment isn't experienced as good the next, or what is experienced as good to me is experienced as evil by someone else in the same moment... what is the good, what is the bad?   A baby taking a crap feels good but the mirror looking down at it with a pinched disgustedly face indicated something else. Some thing wrong with it..... and so we hide ourselves

Knowledge of something is not the same as knowledge/wisdom of what is. History is the story of us constantly getting it wrong. The bible read through the lenses of history also points out
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Re: What are some things that Biden gets right?
« Reply #42 on: August 04, 2022, 04:50:10 PM »
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The law of God, as seen in the Bible, is clear about what is moral and immoral. And since even people who have never encountered the law know generally what is moral and immoral, we can assume that the Bible is simply describing a law that exists already in the human heart...
Man, this is literally Jordan Peterson-level reasoning. Do better, man.

To be fair it's more or less an Aquinas argument about our connection with the eternal law.

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Re: What are some things that Biden gets right?
« Reply #43 on: August 05, 2022, 04:27:47 AM »
The law of God, as seen in the Bible, is clear about what is moral and immoral. And since even people who have never encountered the law know generally what is moral and immoral
So you are happy with the entirety of Leviticus as a description of good & bad?

Its a position certainly.

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Re: What are some things that Biden gets right?
« Reply #44 on: August 05, 2022, 08:07:13 AM »
It looks like Joe might get his economic package through Congress since Sinema looks to now be onboard.

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« Reply #45 on: August 05, 2022, 09:12:10 AM »

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Re: What are some things that Biden gets right?
« Reply #46 on: August 05, 2022, 10:30:22 AM »
Good employment numbers for July.

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/july-jobs-report-august-5-2022-123238307.html

But wait, what about the myth that nobody wants to work?

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Re: What are some things that Biden gets right?
« Reply #47 on: August 05, 2022, 10:36:15 AM »
You mean the same complaint employers have had for over 130 years?

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/nobody-wants-to-work-anymore/

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Re: What are some things that Biden gets right?
« Reply #48 on: August 05, 2022, 11:15:23 AM »
The law of God, as seen in the Bible, is clear about what is moral and immoral. And since even people who have never encountered the law know generally what is moral and immoral
So you are happy with the entirety of Leviticus as a description of good & bad?

Its a position certainly.

Leviticus is primarily a cut and paste from many religions that predated Judaism. Most were matriarchal, but the laundry lists of accepted wisdom was passed down long before the Bible.

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Re: What are some things that Biden gets right?
« Reply #49 on: August 05, 2022, 12:43:08 PM »
The law of God, as seen in the Bible, is clear about what is moral and immoral. And since even people who have never encountered the law know generally what is moral and immoral
So you are happy with the entirety of Leviticus as a description of good & bad?

Its a position certainly.

Leviticus is primarily a cut and paste from many religions that predated Judaism. Most were matriarchal, but the laundry lists of accepted wisdom was passed down long before the Bible.


So the Bible isn't clear on the matter of 'what is moral and unmoral'???